₦airaland Forum

justlove91:
Answer these questions then.

1. At what age did Mohammed married Aisha?
2. What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
3. When Mohammed send his followers to a new province or town, he firstly tell them to preach about Islam to the people, if the people did not accept Islam, they were asked to pay jizya (a sum of money ) for not accepting Islam, if the people refuse to pay jizya the sahabs must wage war against them.
Is this true or false?

1. Married at 9.
2. Death by beheading is the penalty for apostasy
3. You got it all wrong. An islamic nation is what you are saying applies to.

NeoWanZaeed:
1. Married at 9.
2. Death by beheading is the penalty for apostasy
3. You got it all wrong. An islamic nation is what you are saying applies to.

Is it compulsory to be a Muslim in a community where Muslims are the majority?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it compulsory to be a Muslim in a community where Muslims are the majority?

Deep

MaxInDHouse:
Is it compulsory to be a Muslim in a community where Muslims are the majority?

Absolutely not. Then you leave for nation where people like you stays.

NeoWanZaeed:
Absolutely not. Then you leave for nation where people like you stays.

So if it's not compulsory do you think Muslims will not attack someone who speaks against their religion after accomodating them only for them to gain more adherents of their religion?

MaxInDHouse:
So if it's not compulsory do you think Muslims will not attack someone who speaks against their religion after accomodating them only for them to gain more adherents of their religion?

Seeking clarity is different from slander and insults and blasphemy.

Nobody can force anyone to revert to Islam. Once you have been preached to, ask questions politely and seek to know the truth. Once you are ready to embrace the truth, seeing the truth won't get you angered talk less of resulting into insults..


The shortest fact about religion is
....it's only Islam that the Lord is not Human being or once a human nor having anything attributes relating to human.


Once your lord is once a Human or a human...it's no lord.

Aemmyjah:
Deep

One thing about Islam is how they define the word "BLASPHEMY"
There is no blasphemy when a person speaks against the God he doesn't know that's a challenge for the so called "GOD" to prove His power.
So when Goliath challenged Jehovah the true God rendered Goliath so feeble that it was a mere boy who never had military training that Jehovah used to bring Goliath down.

But when talking about blasphemy that occurs when a person who has dedicated his or her life to serve a God suddenly stopped and began speaking against the same God.

In that case it's the worshipers that should deal with him!

NeoWanZaeed:
Seeking clarity is different from slander and insults and blasphemy.
Nobody can force anyone to revert to Islam.

So are you saying if a community welcomes two Muslims in their midst and started taking good care of them until the Muslims are able to convert many to join in the worship of your God this Muslims won't start requesting that those who never accepted their religion are free to live their lives without having to comply to the rules binding on Muslims?

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying if a community welcomes two Muslims in their midst and started taking good care of them until the Muslims are able to convert many to join in the worship of your God this Muslims won't start requesting that those who never accepted their religion are free to live their lives without having to comply to the rules binding on Muslims?

You are contradicting yourself.

It's only a Muslim ruler (Amir) that can raise Jihad and declare islam nation and jizya like you said earlier.

As Muslim doesn't have Amir as it stands..
Muslim will preach, if they accept, fine..if they don't.. fine

NeoWanZaeed:
You are contradicting yourself.
It's only a Muslim ruler (Amir) that can raise Jihad and declare islam nation and jizya like you said earlier. As Muslim doesn't have Amir as it stands.. Muslim will preach, if they accept, fine..if they don't.. fine

OK so you are saying it's until when a Muslim ruler is enthroned that he could raise jihad and declare Islam nation but their can't be a Muslim ruler if people don't embrace Islam and there can't be soldiers to fight for Islam in a place where Muslims are few.

So it's when your religion is allowed to breathe that adherents can multiply and make someone their ruler and it's when their ruler has gained POLITICAL influence that he can start forcing his religious beliefs on other. Right?

MaxInDHouse:
OK so you are saying it's until when a Muslim ruler is enthroned that he could raise jihad and declare Islam nation but their can't be a Muslim ruler if people don't embrace Islam and there can't be soldiers to fight for Islam in a place where Muslims are few.

So it's when your religion is allowed to breathe that adherents can multiply and make someone their ruler and it's when their ruler has gained POLITICAL influence that he can start forcing his religious beliefs on other. Right?

All you said is correct but put in wrong way.

When Muslims have majority population.. Jihad will commence, Jizya will also happen.

Nothing like forcing Islam or anyone.. if you don't accept Islam, live amongst us, don't blaspheme nor practice your religion publicly and pay Jizya..

People who refused Islam and all set terms.. went to war with Muslims..(that's jihad)
.rules of engagement..
Women and kids and whoever surrenders are not to be harmed



They'll be ransomed to their own people if they come for them.. whoever accepts Islam among them.. stays..

NeoWanZaeed:
if you don't accept Islam, live amongst us, don't practice your religion publicly.

So it's only when Islam is not allowed to gain ground that other religionists could practice their religion publicly?

MaxInDHouse:
So it's only when Islam is not allowed to gain ground that other religionists could practice their religion publicly?

Even when Islam gain grounds, you can practice your religion in a place islam hasn't gained grounds.

If you're of open heart and willing to know the truth, go to strong hold..learn and ask questions and clear your doubts.

Nothing difficult there

MaxInDHouse:
So if it's not compulsory do you think Muslims will not attack someone who speaks against their religion after accomodating them only for them to gain more adherents of their religion?

Like they did in Lebanon and here in Nigeria in middle belt


They are really coveting the land of Israel simply cos of they special status they have from the Torah

Spreading Islam by terror

Wainey:
Guy rest, u are confused, you have been defending this ur god since morning, yet you haven't made a single point.
Kvarachi and justlove91 sef get strength to read these ur drivels

Yet the thread shows none of them are able to counter. You don't have anything to say but just came to lament.

StillDtruth:
Yet the thread shows none of them are able tocounter. You don't have anything to say but just came to lament.

If only u knew that u are not making sense, you would have stopped typing.

richmond500:
If only u knew that u are not making sense, you would have stopped typing.

If i was not making sense, all of you would have pointed it out but all you are doing is just grumblings becsuse you find that you cannot counter me, so chill and live on the bed you have made and stop wailing

NeoWanZaeed:
Even when Islam gain grounds, you can practice your religion in a place islam hasn't gained grounds.

So is it a crime to disallow Islam in societies where they want peace to reign?

Because from what you've said so far it's like once Muslims multiply in any community their leader tends to make himself king over the whole community using Islam as an excuse!

StillDtruth:
Did He not make us to be like Him? So of course we have many similarities.

That explains alot like how he also get angry, jealous, revenge etc. In other words your God is just a glorified human being.

StillDtruth:
If i was not making sense, all of you would have pointed it out but all you are doing is just grumblings becsuse you find that you cannot counter me, so chill and live on the bed you have made and stop wailing

I give up on you.

NeoWanZaeed:
1. Married at 9.
2. Death by beheading is the penalty for apostasy
3. You got it all wrong. An islamic nation is what you are saying applies to.

I appreciate your honesty with question one and two.

If Mohamed married a six year old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, can you now see why non Muslims call Mohammed a pedophile?

How do you reconcile beheading of apostasy with the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion?

What do you mean my third question only applies to Islamic nation? This is the rule Mohammed asked his sahab to follow when they go out to spread Islam to non Muslim communities.
1. Preach to them.
2. If they refuse, ask them to pay compulsory Jizya.
3. If they again refuse to pay Jizya, wage war against them.

Aemmyjah:
Like they did in Lebanon and here in Nigeria in middle belt. They are really coveting the land of Israel simply cos of they special status they have from the Torah. Spreading Islam by terror

I just want him to see for himself that Jehovah totally differs from Allah because worshipers of Jehovah must not kill innocent people but in Islam even adherents do kill one another when two Muslims chose to rule over a community, it has always been politics right from the beginning until now and no Allah is behind it.
Muhammad just wanted to make himself king over Arabia but those rulers caught him in his deceitful moves that's why they put up a fight until he died after they have wiped out all his sons in the process.
After his death his generals too began fighting this time not against idolaters as Muhammad deceitfully brainwashed them but against one another!
The question any intelligent person need to ask is:
Why the fight in the same camp if it was meant to be against paganism?
So there is no Allah Muhammad only used the idea to gain dominance over those who wants to fight for God unknowingly to them that the man used them for his selfish ambition!

NeoWanZaeed:
The book you read is written by unknown authors whom can't be verified.
Their accounts of events were not accurate.

No wonder you got lost. Try read Qur'an

same shit in different pit

Wainey:
Christlike, but that Jesus Christ is also a character in the story.

Most people attribute killing, stealing and destruction to Satan. News flash, God is the one who actually cause destruction and pain not satan. Read the story of Noah, Sodom/Gomorrah, Egyptians/Israelites etc and see for yourself.
If I had to follow one, I'll follow Satan whose only fault was to make us wise and see God for what he truly is. But I can't cos Satan is also made up

And almost the whole killings that is recorded in the bible was done by god, infact the only killing satan did was that of Job's sons on god's permission

MaxInDHouse:
I just want him to see for himself that Jehovah totally differs from Allah because worshipers of Jehovah must not kill innocent people but in Islam even adherents do kill one another when two Muslims chose to rule over a community, it has always been politics right from the beginning until now and no Allah is behind it.
Muhammad just wanted to make himself king over Arabia but those rulers caught him in his deceitful moves that's why they put up a fight until he died after they have wiped out all his sons in the process.
After his death his generals too began fighting this time not against idolaters as Muhammad deceitfully brainwashed them but against one another!
The question any intelligent person need to ask is:
Why the fight in the same camp if it was meant to be against paganism?
So there is no Allah Muhammad only used the idea to gain dominance over those who wants to fight for God unknowingly to them that the man used them for his selfish ambition!

I wonder what would have happened if he were alive today
He could have been arraigned by some courts or hunted by some intelligence
Yet, millions of people will loot and kill and destroy

NeoWanZaeed:
Even when Islam gain grounds, you can practice your religion in a place islam hasn't gained grounds.

If you're of open heart and willing to know the truth, go to strong hold..learn and ask questions and clear your doubts.

Nothing difficult there

If it were your own case, you'll be crying islamophobia

sanesta:
And almost the whole killings that is recorded in the bible was done by god, infact the only killing satan did was that of Job's sons on god's permission

In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” Psalms 10:4

Aemmyjah:
I wonder what would have happened if he were alive today. He could have been arraigned by some courts or hunted by some intelligence. Yet, millions of people will loot and kill and destroy

I almost became an atheist, thanks to you guys for coming to my rescue!

justlove91:
I appreciate your honesty with question one and two.

If Mohamed married a six year old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, can you now see why non Muslims call Mohammed a pedophile?

How do you reconcile beheading of apostasy with the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion?




What do you mean my third question only applies to Islamic nation? This is the rule Mohammed asked his sahab to follow when they go out to spread Islam to non Muslim communities.
1. Preach to them.
2. If they refuse, ask them to pay compulsory Jizya.
3. If they again refuse to pay Jizya, wage war against them.

Do you know how 9 year old look back then? You have no idea how people then look like..
Using what you know now to judge what happened then which you have absolutely no idea about is kinda low bawling bro.


BEHEADING OF APOSTASY
Nothing is bad about it at all. For you to deny, blaspheme and criticise your creator.. the punishment is befitting.

It's just like a child denying and blaspheming parents that brought him or her up.

BEHEADING is for Muslim that renegade and non Muslims that blaspheme.


It's only Amir that can give verdict of killing of non Muslims and those who renegade and jihad.


What you itemized.. that's for Islam nation.

As for now..
1. Preach
2. Wether they accept or not. . Not your problem
3. Refute their blaspheme and errors.

MaxInDHouse:
So is it a crime to disallow Islam in societies where they want peace to reign?

Because from what you've said so far it's like once Muslims multiply in any community their leader tends to make himself king over the whole community using Islam as an excuse!

It doesn't work like that..

Amir means global leader of Muslims not society or country

Lemos14:
Keep you in check?

Okay let’s assume that the 10 commandments don’t exist.

I’m sure you wouldn’t like anyone to :

Steal your belongings

Sleep with your wife

Kill any of your loved ones

Lie to you

Bear false witness against you


You as a human being with a conscience would you like someone to do that to you? If God said everybody “do as you like” will you not still complain? Oya kill your conscience and do as you like then.

this is where humanity comes in. I don't need any god to give me an already existing guidelines on how to treat my fellow human.

Now, you are only being nice to your fellow human cos a god instructed you to and if you don't; he'll send you to an everlasting fire. Smh

jaephoenix:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-veltman-muslim-family-canada-b1862845.html%3famp

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10576100701611288

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shootings-australia-christian-terrorist-attack-queensland-police

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

They are up to 6 christian terrorist groups as at last check

I'm going to respond to this post on your first link because if that was wrong, I could guess the rest would be.

It's obvious you never bothered to go through that post before pasting as you just used google search.

The guy was identified as as christian just once by a friend but no where did he identify himself as one. A coworker said he was distressed because he lost a family member. Why the independent failed to call him a grieving terrorist is what I'm still trying to figure out. Where the killer even shouted " jesus christ is lord" before ramming into the family with his vehicle was never captured and yet, you were audacious to call him a Christian terrorist. Such shame.