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Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 2:08pm On May 09
Buda, I have read you saying you don't believe (whatever that means). I need to know what you don't believe in. Is it Jesus Himself or His Word (The Bible)?

But, from Genesis to Revelation, the message is (Whatever He tells you to do, do it). How then do you do what He says without first believing?

Now my questions;
1) Why don't you believe? (because if you believe and do what He teaches, you have believed in Him)

2. Do you think it's irrational to believe in Jesus?

3. Do you think the instructions which is His Word (Bible) is outdated and believing them makes you seem foolish?

4. Are you Ashamed of Jesus?

5. How can you follow Jesus but don't believe when He keeps saying 'You must believe (Have faith)?

6. Don't believe the accounts of those who believed Jesus in the Bible?

7. Do you think the Bible is a fraud?


I know you won't insult me, so let's talk like Christisns (That is, if you are).

All Love

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 4:06pm On May 09
Shepherd00:
Buda, I have read you saying you don't believe (whatever that means). I need to know what you don't believe in. Is it Jesus Himself or His Word (The Bible)?
This is going to be long Shepherd, but first thank you for this show of love.

I generally try not to believe almost anything, to be honest. It comes from one of my very early careers teaching secondary school maths and the fact that I am a pedant for words. I was taught to believe the theorems and to regurgitate them when asked but that does not mean I knew anything about those theorems, so when I taught them, my students were required to show evidence of the validity of those theorems before they used them or they failed. You must imagine how much they hated me!

Believe, according to the Oxford dictionary means to "Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof." This is compounded by Jesus Christ allegedly saying , "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Thankfully, he also said he'd send the Comforter, the Spirit of truth, to minister to us.

No. I do not believe Jesus or his words (the Bible). I do not believe that I should love my neighbour for instance, or that I should forgive those who trespass against me because I know the rewards of loving my neighbours and forgiving trespasses against me (the rewards of that last one being I too shall be forgiven just about as much as I forgive those who trespass against me).

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God", says the Word, and not "Believe, and everything shall follow"

Shepherd00:
But, from Genesis to Revelation, the message is (Whatever He tells you to do, do it). How then do you do what He says without first believing?
Not quite, is the message from Genesis to Revelations "Do whatever he tells you to do", except when you are a child. Now that one is grown up, one, in my opinion, must abandon childish ways and seek to know instead.

I suggest to you that the message from Genesis to Revelation is to make us realise we are gods with god's power of creation breathed into us when we were created from mud but which we now appear to know not of.

Shepherd00:
Now my questions;
1) Why don't you believe? (because if you believe and do what He teaches, you have believed in Him)
The difference here is about foundations. The wise (those having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgement), build their house (faith) on the solid rock of knowledge, while the foolish (those lacking good sense or judgement and knowledge), build their house on the sand of belief and the rain falls and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against their faith and they fall greatly. You can't after all honestly claim that there aren't many believers who do not "do my will" .

It is when I understand that I will do what He teaches because I will know why I should do those things and the rewards and benefits therein.

Shepherd00:
2. Do you think it's irrational to believe in Jesus?
No, it is nor irrational to believe in Jesus when one is a child. But it is stupid to continue to merely believe when one becomes an adult by which time one ought to have tested this Jesus and know instead of believe.

Shepherd00:
3. Do you think the instructions which is His Word (Bible) is outdated and believing them makes you seem foolish?
If it were outdated we would have relegated it to the genizah which is the cemetery for dead and outdated books. Believe though is not what we must do with it, but understand and know why we should do those things. I call it breathing life into the Word so that it has Spirit and becomes flesh and dwells amongst and within us, otherwise it is mere dead mud.

Shepherd00:
4. Are you Ashamed of Jesus?
The Light (Wisdom) of the World, according to the Christian language. Those who are ashamed of Wisdom lack knowledge are stupid live in darkness, and are dead, is the Christian word for them!

Shepherd00:
5. How can you follow Jesus but don't believe when He keeps saying 'You must believe (Have faith)?
It is my view that a satan who can meddle in the Garden of Eden can very easily distort the Word of God or and it's understanding at least. But even if that were not the case, we humans have come very far from when Scripture we read today was written and translated within the understandings of the time so words might not mean what they meant then, or different words might be used if it were written today.

So, correction! "When it is written that He kept saying". And, "know", a solid foundation, and not, "believe", a foundation of sand. Those who know are better followers and doers, while those who believe do as even the devil also does.

Shepherd00:
6. Don't believe the accounts of those who believed Jesus in the Bible?
Believe that their accounts were true? Definitely not! Some of those accounts were written by people who heard them from people who heard them from people who heard them and everyone should know how the Chinese whisper. And some of them were made up after the fact as propaganda. But that's just the more reason to delve deeper into what is reported to reveal the God it might be hiding.

Shepherd00:
7. Do you think the Bible is a fraud?
Books are not frauds. They are the views of those who wrote them. But one must not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from God, which is "All things made by God and without which was not any thing made that was made". That includes you, by the way, Word of God Shepherd00.

The Bible itself is not the light but a witness to the light, at best an image of God and not God. Thou shalt not bow down and worship images or God might get jealous and punish the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation!

Shepherd00:
I know you won't insult me, so let's talk like Christisns (That is, if you are).

All Love
If I insult the least of those whom I see, I have insulted the Lord God Almighty and don't only not understand and know as I claim, but don't even believe as a child but as devils do, and my reward will be death and an eternity in the burning pit of hell! You should see how I agonise whenever I make that mistake!

I must confess to having issues with Christianity. I find it suffers from the same problems Jesus found in Judaism and fought the leaders of the day about. Instead of bread it has been replaced with stone giving. We should not abolish the Law or the Prophets, but fulfill them by breathing life into those words and living them.

I hope my regard for the Word of God, the Bible, shows in my responses above. If I may, can we talk as human beings, the Creations of God Almighty, instead, please. The Spirit of the Word is not a "Christian" exclusive, as taught by my favourite Parable that shows that a pagan worshipping love thy neighbour Samaritan is worthy of emulating.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 5:45pm On May 09
budaatum:

I generally try not to believe almost anything, to be honest. It comes from one of my very early careers teaching secondary school maths and the fact that I am a pedant for words. I was taught to believe the theorems and to regurgitate them when asked but that does not mean I knew anything about those theorems, so when I taught them, my students were required to show evidence of the validity of those theorems before they used them or they failed. You must imagine how much they hated me!

Going by this, you imply that The Lord demands that we believe Him just the way you believe in theorems?

But, before the Lord demanded that you believe that what He says is true, He has already created everything in nature for you to see. For He says Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Will you say that the Lord demands that you have blind faith Him even with He created around you?

budaatum:

Believe, according to the Oxford dictionary means to "Accept that (something) is true, especially without proof." This is compounded by Jesus Christ allegedly saying , "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Thankfully, he also said he'd send the Comforter, the Spirit of truth, to minister to us.
According to the Word of God which happens to be His Mind, Believe, which is also called Faith, is "The substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
What does this mean? In the Kingdom of God believing is seeing, not seeing to believe. We have eyes which those who wrote the dictionary doesn't.

budaatum:

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God", says the Word, and not "Believe, and everything shall follow"
This Kingdom is a Spiritual One, how do you seek it if you don't even believe it exists?

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Which is seeking the Kingdom of God.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.[/b] Jn 6:28-29

You can't seek what you don't believe in, and are not convinced that it exists sir.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:18pm On May 09
budaatum:

Not quite, is the message from Genesis to Revelations "Do whatever he tells you to do", except when you are a child. Now that one is grown up, one, in my opinion, must abandon childish ways and seek to know instead.
Our opinions hardly counts here sir. If we are His followers, we keep our opinions to ourselves or quit.

From Adam to the last man to enter the Kingdom of God, the message is, 'God gives the command and we obey'.

It may do us all good if we use the Word within context not outside of it. Here is what the verse you used says and what means withing context
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.

Let's use this to explain the verse you used;
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Heb. 5:11-14. And

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do, if God permit.


These ^^^^^ and the verse you used talks about spiritual growth, (Which is from faith to Faith). It did not say a time comes when we outgrow faith or believing in God.




And, Yes, that is why we are called Children of God. No one ever grows out of that status. Name one.

budaatum:

I suggest to you that the message from Genesis to Revelation is to make us realise we are gods with god's power of creation breathed into us when we were created from mud but which we now appear to know not of.
Good for you to say 'I suggest', you did not say that is what the Bible says equivocally.

How do you know you are a god? You read it in a Book. How do you demonstrate your godhood if you don't believe what that Book said?

Isn't it foolish for you to say you were ordinary mud? Pls try molding a lump of mud and breath into it and watch it walk about talking and rational.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:34pm On May 09
budaatum:

The difference here is about foundations. The wise (those having or showing experience, knowledge, and good judgement), build their house (faith) on the solid rock of knowledge, while the foolish (those lacking good sense or judgement and knowledge), build their house on the sand of belief and the rain falls and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against their faith and they fall greatly . You can't after all honestly claim that there aren't many believers who do not "do my will"
My concern is not about the many believers who do not do His Will. My concern is you saying we do not need to believe in Jesus or His teachings. The Word of God is open to all both saved and unsaved.

And, do you know that the Wisdom you talk about which is having experience, sound knowledge and showing good judgement is believing what the Lord says and acting on it?

'For He who hears the Words of my Sayings and does them not...'.


budaatum:

It is when I understand that I will do what He teaches because I will know why I should do those things and the rewards and benefits therein.
How do you progress to understanding when you do not first believe?

There were only Five Loaves and 2 fish. but the Master said to His disciples, make them sit down. shouldn't the disciples demand an explanation how 5loaves and 2 fish could feed 5 thousand men women and children not counted?

They shd ve understood how that feat could be performed before going ahead to make the people sit. Or, had they seen Jesus multiply food before?

When Jesus was told that Wine was finished and He asked them to fill the jars with water, shouldn't they have asked for an explanation what foolishness that was?

How did the Women with the Issue of Blood know her flow will cease if she only but grab the Master cloak?

All these people believed first. You can't be Jesus' follower if you don't believe in Him or His Words
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:39pm On May 09
budaatum:

No, it is nor irrational to believe in Jesus when one is a child. But it is stupid to continue to merely believe when one becomes an adult by which time one ought to have tested this Jesus and know instead of believe.
In other words a time comes when one becomes an adult of God and not a Child of God.

And, pls what do you mean by 'Merely believing?'

Tell me how many Patriarchs became adults and stopped believing in the Word of God (Commands or instructions).

How do you taste Jesus?
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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:49pm On May 09
budaatum:

If it were outdated we would have relegated it to the genizah which is the cemetery for dead and outdated books. Believe though is not what we must do with it, but understand and know why we should do those things. I call it breathing life into the Word so that it has Spirit and becomes flesh and dwells amongst and within us, otherwise it is mere dead mud.
What should now call Jesus who over and over calls His followers to believe?

Buda, my understanding of your use of 'understanding' here has to do with your intellect and that is merely flesh, and profits you nothing as far as spiritual things are concern.

If you do not believe that Jehovah is Jesus manifested in the flesh, spiritual light/insight/and understanding will not be granted you to really know the truth of this mystery.

How do you know that the Word of God is Spirit which became flesh if you don't believe that what Jesus says it is, is true?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 6:52pm On May 09
budaatum:

The Light (Wisdom) of the World, according to the Christian language. Those who are ashamed of Wisdom lack knowledge are stupid live in darkness, and are dead, is the Christian word for them!
You didn't answer my question Buda. Are you personally ashamed of Jesus?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 6:57pm On May 09
Shepherd00:


Going by this, you imply that The Lord demands that we believe Him just the way you believe in theorems?

But, before the Lord demanded that you believe that what He says is true, He has already created everything in nature for you to see. For He says Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

Will you say that the Lord demands that you have blind faith Him even with He created around you?


According to the Word of God which happens to be His Mind, Believe, which is also called Faith, is "The substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
What does this mean? In the Kingdom of God believing is seeing, not seeing to believe. We have eyes which those who wrote the dictionary doesn't.


This Kingdom is a Spiritual One, how do you seek it if you don't even believe it exists?

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Which is seeking the Kingdom of God.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.[/b] Jn 6:28-29

You can't seek what you don't believe in, and are not convinced that it exists sir.
First, God never said Romans 1:20, "Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God" said that, and Paul is no different to the Adeboye's of today. You would note how he and James argued over faith and works like Adeboye and TB Joshua might argue over doctrine today.

Second, why, if you think of it, would an Almighty God ask you to have "blind faith" in him? Is there not sufficient evidence for me to see such that my faith need not be of the blind? Or is it that Jesus has not spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and cured me of blindness so that I can see? Is God not real that my faith in God should be blind and unseeing?

Third. Our paths are very different. Some might need to believe when they are as child and before they are healed of their blindness, but I was an atheist from birth until Christ spat on mud and rubbed it in my eyes and preached the Gospel to me and I abandoned my childish ways and now see the immense evidence that forms a solid foundation for my own faith. Note that Saul did not believe before journeying near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” I too was an unbelieving atheist persecuting Christ and did not believe before I went seeking, but sought and then saw and now know.

Please know that I speak not that which everyone must "believe", but that which I know and that is required of me. For the blind were not cured of lameness nor did the deaf receive sight, the lame were not cleansed, and the leper did not receive the cure of blindness. Each received what they came looking for then some poor lot, me, got 'taught' and blessed with the ability to comprehend (as much as I do), and unto those who the ability to understand the things of the Kingdom of God has been given, so much more is required. It is in that light that I tell you what worship means for me. I am very certain that God might be content with the singing of aleluya amen and tithe paying from some, but some like me must go even much further and sell all of our possessions and follow him. It might be my penance for my many years of atheism, the wages of my sinnings, a sin that not everyone has committed, a penance they need not pay. If only I too had just believed without seeing. But for the grace of God go I. Mind though, I blame God for making me an atheist for so long, but He must have His reasons.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:00pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

You didn't answer my question Buda. Are you personally ashamed of Jesus?
I have answered your question Shepherd. I now ask you. Am I, buda, personally ashamed of Jesus?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:03pm On May 09
budaatum:

It is my view that a satan who can meddle in the Garden of Eden can very easily distort the Word of God or and it's understanding at least. But even if that were not the case, we humans have come very far from when Scripture we read today was written and translated within the understandings of the time so words might not mean what they meant then, or different words might be used if it were written today.
Buda, you are smarter than this nah. The Word of God is understood in different ways, literally and in context. If the letters of the Word is translated differently, trust me the context will change. But, read the Words of the Lord and see the context. He came calling on people to come closer to hear Him, when they hear and ask, 'What shd we then do?' His answer has always been, Believe in Me or the One who sent Me.
All the teachings of the Apostles is for us to BELIEVE in Jesus. The context is unchanged.

And, No, sir. The Word of God can not be distorted in itself. it remains untainted. Although it can be twisted and falsified by those who want to believe a lie, and then believe what they make up their minds to believe. But the Life of the Word remains alive forever. The Holy Spirit is ever alive.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:05pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

Buda, my understanding of your use of 'understanding' here has to do with your intellect and that is merely flesh, and profits you nothing as far as spiritual things are concern.
Then let that be your understanding, "that my understanding is merely flesh". Whether it profits me need not be your concern since you would not be standing by God when I am judged.

I must say though that it amuses me that you presume to know my profit as far as spiritual things are concerned. Have you been watching my fruits, I wonder.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:09pm On May 09
budaatum:

So, correction! "When it is written that He kept saying". And, "know", a solid foundation, and not, "believe", a foundation of sand. Those who know are better followers and doers, while those who believe do as even the devil also does.
What is this nah?
Jesus never said you shd know. He said does who hear His Words believe and do them, shall be likened to the wise who builds on the rock, which is Trusting or holding firmly unto Him.

Buda, how can you know God if you don't believe that what He says about Himself is true?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:12pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

The Word of God is understood in different ways, literally and in context.
I'm glad you know this. What the Lord might be saying to me might not be what you may understand. But I assure you, that those who give a cup of water in Christ name belong to the Messiah and will certainly not lose their reward.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by EmperorHarry: 7:14pm On May 09
budaatum:

Then let that be your understanding, "that my understanding is merely flesh". Whether it profits me need not be your concern since you would not be standing by God when I am judged.
Lol. cheesy

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:16pm On May 09
budaatum:

Believe that their accounts were true? Definitely not! Some of those accounts were written by people who heard them from people who heard them from people who heard them and everyone should know how the Chinese whisper. And some of them were made up after the fact as propaganda. But that's just the more reason to delve deeper into what is reported to reveal the God it might be hiding.
Mention the ones you feel were or are whispers and propagandas?

Since you don't believe what is written in the Bible as truth, What do you know in the Bible to be the truth? because, outside of this accounts, you wouldn't even know Jesus. Except you're saying Jesus is a liar. or the people who wrote what they wrote abt Him lied.

There was no feeding of the Five thousand. Lazarus never resurrected. No blind man saw, no dead was raised. The Entire Bible is a fraud right?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:16pm On May 09
budaatum:

Believe that their accounts were true? Definitely not! Some of those accounts were written by people who heard them from people who heard them from people who heard them and everyone should know how the Chinese whisper. And some of them were made up after the fact as propaganda. But that's just the more reason to delve deeper into what is reported to reveal the God it might be hiding.
Mention the ones you feel were or are whispers and propagandas?

Since you don't believe what is written in the Bible as truth, What do you know in the Bible to be the truth? because, outside of this accounts, you wouldn't even know Jesus. Except you're saying Jesus is a liar. or the people who wrote what they wrote abt Him lied.

There was no feeding of the Five thousand. Lazarus never resurrected. No blind man saw, no dead was raised. The Entire Bible is a fraud right?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:22pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

What is this nah?
Jesus never said you shd know. He said does who hear His Words believe and do them, shall be likened to the wise who builds on the rock, which is Trusting or holding firmly unto Him.

Buda, how can you know God if you don't believe that what He says about Himself is true?

Shepherd, you are not privy to what God may or may not have said to me! And I think you make the very common error many make in equating the Bible with God despite the warnings that:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


The Bible is not God. It is merely a witness unto God.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:28pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

Mention the ones you feel were or are whispers and propagandas?

Since you don't believe what is written in the Bible as truth, What do you know in the Bible to be the truth? because, outside of this accounts, you wouldn't even know Jesus. Except you're saying Jesus is a liar. or the people who wrote what they wrote abt Him lied.

There was no feeding of the Five thousand. Lazarus never resurrected. No blind man saw, no dead was raised. The Entire Bible is a fraud right?

I am getting the feeling that this is becoming an argument. You are going to have to forgive me if it appears that I might have said "the Peace of the Lord be with you" and shaken the dust off my feet and left.

Everything in the Bible is true Shepherd once you have found first the Kingdom of God and received the Comforter.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:31pm On May 09
budaatum:

Books are not frauds. They are the views of those who wrote them. But one must not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from God, which is "All things made by God and without which was not any thing made that was made". That includes you, by the way, Word of God.
Do you believe this?; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So you believe that the Bible is the Word? Or, you believe people just got up and wrote what we today have as the Bible from their own minds, yet they all have the same theme?. Have you ever sat down to ponder how so many people at different times, generations and background can sit down and write books which all points to one person?

budaatum:

The Bible itself is not the light but a witness to the light, at best an image of God and not God. Thou shalt not bow down and worship images or God might get jealous and punish the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation!
The Bible/ the Scripture/the Word of God is the Mind of God. And the breath of God is God. The Bible clearly says Jesus (who is Jehovah manifested) is the Word of God. I hope you are not referring to the stacks of paper in your hands?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:35pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

My concern is you saying we do not need to believe in Jesus or His teachings.
You asked me not to insult you yet you insult me by misrepresenting what I say! Why now? What does it profit one to claim to believe in Christ yet bear false witness against one's neighbour who that Christ one believes told one to love?

budaatum:

Third. Our paths are very different. Some might need to believe when they are as child and before they are healed of their blindness, but I.......

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:42pm On May 09
budaatum:

If I insult the least of those whom I see, I have insulted the Lord God Almighty and don't only not understand and know as I claim, but don't even believe as a child but as devils do, and my reward will be death and an eternity in the burning pit of hell! You should see how I agonise whenever I make that mistake!
Okay then.

budaatum:

I must confess to having issues with Christianity. I find it suffers from the same problems Jesus found in Judaism and fought the leaders of the day about. Instead of bread it has been replaced with stone giving. We should not abolish the Law or the Prophets, but fulfill them by breathing life into those words and living them.
The Lord called you alone to follow Him. He didn't call you to look at how others are running their races. You are not given the same assignments.
Judaism wasn't and is still not personal, Christianity is. Walk your walk. At the End we shall all render accounts of what we did with the talents we got.

budaatum:

I hope my regard for the Word of God, the Bible, shows in my responses above. If I may, can we talk as human beings, the Creations of God Almighty, instead, please. The Spirit of the Word is not a "Christian" exclusive, as taught by my favourite Parable that shows that a pagan worshipping love thy neighbour Samaritan is worthy of emulating.
I talk as a Bible believer and follower Buda, as I am admonished to speak it, think it and live it. I am more human when I am in it.

Christianity is the Church, and the Church is the Kingdom of God. I can't be here and there.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:52pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

I talk as a Bible believer and follower Buda, as I am admonished to speak it, think it and live it. I am more human when I am in it.
And buda talks as a doer of the Will of the Lord God Almighty, and of Jesus Christ the Messiah and God's Son, and of the Holy Spirit which God breathed into the mud that was me. Amen.

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Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 7:54pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

At the End we shall all render accounts of what we did with the talents we got.
Amen
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:57pm On May 09
budaatum:
Amen
Yeah
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 7:58pm On May 09
budaatum:

And buda talks as a doer of the Will of the Lord God Almighty, and of Jesus Christ the Messiah and God's Son, and of the Holy Spirit which God breathed into the mud that was me. Amen.
But you said we should talk as humans outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God why is that?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:01pm On May 09
budaatum:

You asked me not to insult you yet you insult me by misrepresenting what I say! Why now? What does it profit one to claim to believe in Christ yet bear false witness against one's neighbour who that Christ one believes told one to love?
Forgive me if I have insulted you. But, you have been abt not believing the Word but understanding it, that conditioned my response to you.
Again, I apologize. So put me through
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by budaatum: 8:02pm On May 09
Shepherd00:

But you said we should talk as humans outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God why is that?
I never said "outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God"! How can I say that then quote from inside that same Word of God?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:06pm On May 09
budaatum:


I am getting the feeling that this is becoming an argument. You are going to have to forgive me if it appears that I might have said "the Peace of the Lord be with you" and shaken the dust off my feet and left.

Everything in the Bible is true Shepherd once you have found first the Kingdom of God and received the Comforter.
Why? I only asked a question. Remember this thread is about questions.

If you say something I don't understand shouldn't I ask for clarification?

I only want to understand certain things in case what I believe of the Bible is false. So pls indulge me and give me some answers if you may.

So, back to my questions, who whispered to who, and to who, to who, who then wrote the Bible?
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:12pm On May 09
budaatum:

Shepherd, you are not privy to what God may or may not have said to me! And I think you make the very common error many make in equating the Bible with God despite the warnings that:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


The Bible is not God. It is merely a witness unto God.


Budaatum the Word of God is God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the Word of God both Logos and Rhema.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:21pm On May 09
budaatum:

I never said "outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God"! How can I say that then quote from
inside that same Word of God?
Maybe I misunderstood. Pls, can you clarify this

budaatum:

I hope my regard for the Word of God, the Bible, shows in my responses above. If I may, can we talk as human beings, the Creations of God Almighty, instead, please.

You said this [b]The Spirit of the Word is not a "Christian" [/b]exclusive, as taught by my favourite Parable that shows that a pagan worshipping love thy neighbour Samaritan is worthy of emulating.
By the bolded I understood it to mean, talk not as Christisns. And, if we talk not as Christians, we will be talking outside of the Word of God which is the Will of God.

This thread is about Christianity, and what Christians shd do with the Word.
Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 8:29pm On May 09
budaatum:

I'm glad you know this. What the Lord might be saying to me might not be what you may understand. But I assure you, that those who give a cup of water in Christ name belong to the Messiah and will certainly not lose their reward.
Yes, Buda I know. And I also know that the Word of God cannot be tainted.

Buda, if the Word says thou shall not Kill to you, it doesn't say something else to me.

If it says Love you Neighbor as you do yourself, that's exactly what it says to me.

But, I can decide to look at it and say, loving my neighbor is looking away as he does evil to another person and not tell him the consequences. Not knowing that, that is indeed hating my neighbor.

Today people have decided to call good evil and evil good and even dare to twist scriptures taken out of context to support themselves. If you say to yourself 'Judge not', and look away as they continue, when they plunge right deep into hell, you'd say, I love him hence I didn't warn him.

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