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MaxInDHouse:
Prophetic pronouncement regarding the time Jesus will raise his 144,000 corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17}

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

You means this is what happened in 1914?

But have it in mind what Paul says in 1 Corin 15:23 "But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back."

Which means after this RESURRECTION at the coming of Christ NO ANY resurrection again.

he remains beside his father in heaven

But He was already a RULER of kings which His Kingship has started long before 1914.

So He can't be enthroned in 1914.

until he is given the order to start acting {Psalms 110:1-2}

This is Psalm 110:1-2 "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” - NWT

Paul shield more light on this when he says "For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet." - NWT

So you see Jesus already became a RULER before His enemies are put under His feet.

that prophecy is what God's people got wrong thinking Jesus will start ruling the earth but instead he took all the dead in Christ to heaven that year and drove Satan out of heaven, that's what he meant by saying "i going to prepare a place for you" {John 14:6} from the beginning God never prepare any place in heaven for humans {Psalms 115:16} it's the same place where those fallen angels occupied that Jesus made ready for his corulers that's the reason those angels came down with great rage {Revelations 12:7-12} to cause trouble on earth since the year 1914 till now! Matthew 24:3-14

Before continue with your delusion.

Clear the above evidences from the scripture and clear the below questions.

Who are the God's people?
What did they get wrong?

Was it written in the scripture or a new message reveal to them?

Emusan:
So you see Jesus already became a RULER before His enemies are put under His feet.

When did he began ruling over Kings?
Who are the kings over whom he ruled as King?

false prophecies/false date settings, of the so called Jehovahs witnesses: jwfacts dot com

Expectations for 1925 included:

the end of Christendom
the return of earth to a paradise
the resurrection of the dead onto earth
the Zionist teaching of the reestablishment of Palestine
The following quotes outline these expectations.

"What, then, should we expect to take place? The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death , being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"As we have heretofore stated, the great jubilee cycle is due to begin in 1925. At that time the earthly phase of the kingdom shall be recognized." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.89

"Hence these faithful men may be expected on earth within the next few years." The Harp of God p.340

The year 1914

MaxInDHouse:
When did he began ruling over Kings?

Immediately after the resurrection, reason why he said "ALL POWER has been given to Him both in heavens and on earth"

Who are the kings over whom he ruled as King?

YOUR GOVERNING BODY

Emusan:
Immediately after the resurrection, reason why he said "ALL POWER has been given to Him both in heavens and on earth"
YOUR GOVERNING BODY

If what he said there is exactly what you think then why did the scriptures say he returned to the heavens only to keep waiting for instructions from his father? Psalms 110:1
Why do the kings of the earth (after his resurrection) refused to OBEY him but killing those witnessing for him?

Should i take your second answer as a sign that you don't know the kings over whom Jesus is to rule as King?

MaxInDHouse:
If what he said there is exactly what you think then why did the scriptures say he returned to the heavens only to keep waiting for instructions from his father? Psalms 110:1
Why do the kings of the earth (after his resurrection) refused to OBEY him but killing those witnessing for him?

So Jesus lied to His disciples that ALL POWER JAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIM In heaven and on earth....

That's nice.

I've already clarified that with Paul statement.

Besides, you didn't address 1 Thess 4:16-17 you quoted earlier.

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

Should i take your second answer as a sign that you don't know the kings over whom Jesus is to rule as King?

Jesus is RULER of Kings long before 1914.

I've provided the Bible verse to support my point.

Now, provide your own scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED IN YEAR 1914.

Emusan:
So Jesus lied to His disciples that ALL POWER JAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIM In heaven and on earth....

Jesus having all the powers both in heaven and on earth is what we need to figure out because the kings of the earth were attacking and killing his witnesses back then after his resurrection!

Emusan:
Jesus is RULER of Kings long before 1914.

Who were the kings that Jesus was ruling over after his resurrection?
That's the question!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus having all the powers both in heaven and on earth is what we need to figure out because the kings of the earth were attacking and killing his witnesses back then after his resurrection!

All power in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN not that IT WILL BE GIVING TO ME

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

You cited the above scripture.

Who were the kings that Jesus was ruling over after his resurrection?
That's the question!

The whole heavens and earth.

Jesus is the RULER of Kings long before 1914.

So you lied that Jesus was enthroned in 1914.

If you're not lying, provide the verse let's see.

Emusan:
All power in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN not that IT WILL BE GIVING TO ME

I am not disputing what Jesus said here but the meaning is what i think you don't get because if Jesus is the King of kings and you think he became the King of kings right after his resurrection then it shouldn't be difficult for you to explain who are this kings that Jesus was ruling over them since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples.
Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain!

false prophecies/false date settings, of the so called Jehovahs witnesses: jwfacts dot com

"The year 1926 would therefore begin about October first, 1925. ... We should, therefore, expect shortly after 1925 to see the awakening of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Melchisedec, Job, Moses, Samuel, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, John the Baptist, and others mentioned in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews. The Way to Paradise (1925) p.224

No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old, come forth in the glory of their "better resurrection," perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their posts of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seem strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us." The Way to Paradise pp.226-227

This part you're dodging won't be left out just like that.

You made this claim: [quote

=MaxInDHouse]Prophetic pronouncement regarding the time Jesus will raise his 144,000 corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17}[/quote]This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

MaxInDHouse:
I am not disputing what Jesus said here but the meaning is what i think you don't get because if Jesus is the King of kings and you think he became the King of kings right after his resurrection then it shouldn't be difficult for you to explain who are this kings that Jesus was ruling over them since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples.
Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain!

The fact from the scripture is that, Jesus already a KING long before 1914!

Provide the scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED in 1914.

MaxInDHouse:
I am not disputing what Jesus said here but the meaning is what i think you don't get because if Jesus is the King of kings and you think he became the King of kings right after his resurrection then it shouldn't be difficult for you to explain who are this kings that Jesus was ruling over them since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples.
Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain!

The need to advance lies and manipulations packed into your brains instead of reading the meaning of the Bible verses

I am not disputing what Jesus said here but the meaning is what i think you don't get

You will see why his meaning is clear for your lies and manipulations you want to advance

because if Jesus is the King of kings and you think he became the King of kings right after his resurrection then it shouldn't be difficult for you to explain

The Bible you carry have enough evidence that he his king of kings long before your 1914 doctrines pack into your brains

who are this kings that Jesus was ruling over them

Those people or as it were kings that say they are kings and have a kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world so he said to Pilate.

[quote]since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples

Since 1914 you say Jesus is ruling as king invisibly in heaven have they stopped killing Jehovah's witnesses who believed he started ruling in 1914? No is the answer. Your narrative and point is dead and buried.

Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Since 1914 that he has been ruling, they have kept killing Jehovah's witnesses that believed his kingship began in 1914

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain!

Liar and manipulator of the scripture, Jesus rule in the midst of his enemies

See how your religious publications attest to it.....

Unification in Spite of False Predictions (‎2 occurrences)
For, at the close of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E., Jehovah God enthroned in the heavens the “Lion that is of the tribe of Judah” and commanded him: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” (Revelation 5:5; Genesis 49:9, 10; Psalm 110:1, 2) ... They should think on the scepter wielded by God’s Messianic King, to whom Jehovah said, in 1914 C.E.: “The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of [the heavenly] Zion, saying: ‘Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.’” (Psalm 110:1, 2)

Collect your change, you don't even know your beliefs.


cc Emusan

Emusan:
This part you're dodging won't be left out just like that.

You made this claim:

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

Is this what actually happened in 1914?




The fact from the scripture is that, Jesus already a KING long before 1914!

Provide the scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED in 1914.

He shot himself in the foot by saying.......

since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples.
Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain

The elder of a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses cannot process the below in their religious publications

For, at the close of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E., Jehovah God enthroned in the heavens the “Lion that is of the tribe of Judah” and commanded him: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” (Revelation 5:5; Genesis 49:9, 10; Psalm 110:1, 2) ... They should think on the scepter wielded by God’s Messianic King, to whom Jehovah said, in 1914 C.E.: “The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of [the heavenly] Zion, saying: ‘Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.’”

The rope is on his neck now that Jesus indeed rule in the midst of his enemies. He will run around to mix up more lies ;

Emusan:
This part you're dodging won't be left out just like that.
You made this claim:
This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT
Is this what actually happened in 1914?
The fact from the scripture is that, Jesus already a KING long before 1914!
Provide the scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED in 1914.

You can continue deceiving yourself because neither the name Jesus nor the date Christ will be born was not found written in the Old Testament but his disciples summed up the prophecies about the Christ and concluded that it all had fulfilment in the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth that's how they came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Christ.

In like manner you can't see the date 1914 in any version of the Bible but all the prophecies Jesus foretold about his presence began unfolding in the year 1914! Matthew 24:7-14

Of course he was given the authority after finishing his earthly assignment on the torture stake {John 19:30} Just as an elected president is given the mandate the very day he won the election but he must wait until the handover date before he begin changing things that doesn't please him.
Jesus waited beside his father in heaven since the first century until the year 1914 before he started taking actions on the things he doesn't want in heaven {Revelations 12:7-9} that's why the earth has been seeing a lot since that time until now because Satan knew very well that Jesus will soon extend his rulership to planet earth! Revelations 12:10-12
So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue deceiving yourself because neither the name Jesus nor the date Christ will be born was not found written in the Old Testament but his disciples summed up the prophecies about the Christ and concluded that it all had fulfilment in the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth that's how they came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Christ.

Jesus Himself is the one who PROVED to His OWN disciples that he was the coming MESSIAH before Hiw own disciples BELIEVED Him.

Stop lying

We have the Bible in plain English.

In like manner you can't see the date 1914 in any version of the Bible but all the prophecies Jesus foretold about his presence began unfolding in the year 1914! Matthew 24:7-14

It was the very year Jesus began His ministry that He proved to be disciples and MANY are witnesses to it. Not what went in dark and later was referring to.

Show me HOW MANY PEOPLE who testified IN actual year 1914 that Jesus returned exactly how the Angel at ascension openly declared.

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!” - Acts 1:11

Of course he was given the authority after finishing his earthly assignment on the torture stake {John 19:30} Just as an elected president is given the mandate the very day he won the election but he must wait until the handover date before he begin changing things that doesn't please him.

ANy small thing, is to be drawing comparison WORLDLY GOVERNMENT they so EVIL AGAINST and Bible truth.

For your info, the person who won election can't be ADDRESSED as PRESIDENT but Jesus was CALLED RULER of kings not THAT WILL BE BECOME RULER.

Jesus waited beside his father in heaven since the first century until the year 1914 before he started taking actions on the things he doesn't want in heaven {Revelations 12:7-9} that's why the earth has been seeing a lot since that time until now because Satan knew very well that Jesus will soon extend his rulership to planet earth! Revelations 12:10-12
So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!

@color part shows how you can lie openly against God's word.

Here is 1 Thess 4:16-17 again, read @underlined part then compare to your above @color part and see how you lied shamelessly.

"because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

As you can see, you LIED that "...while the rest of them will join them later once they die!" the word of God says "...Afterward we the living who are surviving will, TOGETHER WITH THEM, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."

So people who have died will be resurrected first and the people ALIVE WILL JOIN THEM IN THE AIR this is how your own translation put it yet you still have gut to twist plain text.

Emusan:
Jesus Himself is the one who PROVED to His OWN disciples that he was the coming MESSIAH before Hiw own disciples BELIEVED Him.

So you mean they never had any prophecy that will guide them to IDENTIFY the Christ shey?

Well this is what they later asked him when they were processing in their minds what Jesus was doing and what was written in the scriptures.
After the transfiguration and the voice of God {Matthew 17:5} they asked Jesus:

“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10 compare to Malachi 4:5

Were they convinced that he is the Christ due to what he was doing or they were considering prophecies in the scriptures regarding how to IDENTIFY when Christ is around?

Regarding the identity of the Christ John the baptist questioned Jesus credentials despite all the things that happened in connection with him! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus only sent messengers to remind John of what the scriptures said about Christ's presence! Matthew 11:4-6

So my guy Jesus only FULFILLED what was written in prophets {Matthew 5:17} and just as it has always been only those keeping the prophecies in mind were able discern that the Christ is around back then!

MaxInDHouse:
So you mean they never had any prophecy that will guide them to IDENTIFY the Christ shey?

Well this is what they later asked him when they were processing in their minds what Jesus was doing and what was written in the scriptures.
After the transfiguration and the voice of God {Matthew 17:5} they asked Jesus:

“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10 compare to Malachi 4:5

Were they convinced that he is the Christ due to what he was doing or they were considering prophecies in the scriptures regarding how to IDENTIFY when Christ is around?

Regarding the identity of the Christ John the baptist questioned Jesus credentials despite all the things that happened in connection with him! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus only sent messengers to remind John of what the scriptures said about Christ's presence! Matthew 11:4-6

So my guy Jesus only FULFILLED what was written in prophets {Matthew 5:17} and just as it has always been only those keeping the prophecies in mind were able discern that the Christ is around back then!

Stylishly dodging his own 1 Thess 4:16-17 because he knows nothing in that verse happened in 1914.

Also, the key point here is WHEN JESUS WAS ENTHRONED as King.

The scripture says that happened long before 1914, so where did you see you own? Back your claim with the scripture!

Very simple!

Even your organization says Jesus is RULING IN THE MIDST OF HIS enemies compare to your first LIE.

Emusan:
Stylishly dodging his own 1 Thess 4:16-17

So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!

I have answered you but if you're not satisfied there are thousands of religions out there with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines it's not compulsory you accept my own nah!

Avoid the doctrine of the JW at all cost.

What is this the need for all these calculation and guesses. What correlation does it have with the Salvation of human souls.

All these guesses and calculations are the reasons they see themselves as the only true Christians whereas, all these are not necessary for a man to be saved.

Jesus began ruling in the year 1914

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false prophecies/false date settings, of the so called Jehovahs witnesses: jwfacts dot com

"Of course it will take some time to get things in smoothly running order after the great stress between now and 1926. It may be ten years or more before you get your home all fixed up, and the gardens bringing forth the luscious fruits and appetizing vegetables in abundance. Even if it takes a while longer you will be that much better prepared. You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have had to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty." The Way to Paradise p.228

The Bulletin October 1920 included an outline on how to introduce the topic of 1925.

"Good morning!
"Do you know that millions now living will never die?
"I mean just what I say - that millions now living are never going to die.
"'The Finished Mystery', the posthumous work of Pastor Russell, tells why there are millions now living who will never die; and if you can keep alive until 1925 you have excellent chances of being one of them.
...
"It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible, foretold by every prophet of the Bible."

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you but if you're not satisfied there are thousands of religions out there with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines it's not compulsory you accept my own nah!

This was your initial claim.

"Prophetic pronouncement regarding the time Jesus will raise his 144,000 corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17"

I then quoted the same 1 Thess 4:16-17 from your own translation yet you can't point out where:

1. PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE WERE TAKEN UP TO MEET THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED IN CHRIST IN THE AIR. Compare this with your below lie

"So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!"

2. WHO WITNESSED THE TRUMPET THAT WERE SOUNDED AND THE VOICE THAT CALLED THE DEAD OUT FROM THE GRAVE.

Also, you claimed that if Jesus had been ENTHRONED long before 1914, His followers won't be killed anyhow.

How many Jehovah witness Hitler killed or was that happened before 1914?

Is this what you want me to believe against God's word?

Emusan:
Is this what you want me to believe against God's word?

No one is forcing anything on you just as you can't force anything on me after all there are thousands of different religions claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so hold on to whatever you feel is true.

But you can't stop me from preaching what i know is true too it's either you take it or leave it just as you would other religions that doesn't teach the same thing as yours!

MaxInDHouse:
No one is forcing anything on you just as you can't force anything on me after all there are thousands of different religions claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so hold on to whatever you feel is true.

But you can't stop me from preaching what i know is true too it's either you take it or leave it just as you would other religions that doesn't teach the same thing as yours!

Diversion tactics

So you know 1914 is true from your own book.l or where did you get the information from?

Emusan:
Diversion tactics
So you know 1914 is true from your own book.l or where did you get the information from?

What is the name of your church?

Jesus began ruling in the year 1914

false prophecies/false date settings, of the so called Jehovahs witnesses: jwfacts dot com

The following quote shows the superstitious nature of Watchtower followers regarding Watchtower publications, and at the time their continued belief in the relevance of the pyramid.

"There are men about the Pyramid who have acted as guides for years. Several of these were sent for and closely questioned. They all agreed that the material was brought there and the construction of this stairway and iron supports began early in July, 1919, and the work was completed about the first of October, 1919. Immediately the writer recalled that it was about the first of July 1919, that the idea was conceived of publishing THE GOLDEN AGE, the first issue of which appeared October 1, 1919. THE GOLDEN AGE announced, and continues to announce, that the establishment of Messiah’s kingdom is at hand, that the time of restitution is here, that the old world has ended and the new is beginning, and that millions now living will never die." Watchtower 1920 Dec 15 p.379

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your church?

Christ the King!

So, can you address my post now?

Emusan:
Christ the King!
So, can you address my post now?

What is the name of your pastor?