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AbuTwins:
Prelude: Read about Jacob from the Bible vs the Qur'an https://www.nairaland.com/8085664/jacob-bible-vs-jacob-quran

Joseph's dreams in the Bible!
Genesis 37:5-10: "Now Joseph had a dream, and he told it to his brothers; and they hated him even more. He said to them, 'Listen to this dream that I had: We were binding sheaves in the field, and behold, my sheaf arose and stood upright, while your sheaves surrounded it and bowed down to my sheaf.' His brothers said to him, 'Are you indeed going to reign over us? Or are you indeed going to rule over us?' And they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words. Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers, and said, 'Behold, I have had another dream: And behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars bowed down to me.' "

Joseph's dreams in the Qur'an!
Surah Yusuf Chapter 12 Verse 4-6: "And he saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon, he saw them bowing to him. He said to his father, 'O father, I saw in a dream eleven stars and the sun and the moon, I saw them bowing to me.' "He (the father) said: "O my son! Relate not your vision to your brothers, lest they arrange a plot against you. Verily! Shaitan (Satan) is to man an open enemy! "Thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of dreams (and other things) and perfect His Favour on you and on the offspring of Ya'qub (Jacob), as He perfected it on your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham) and Ishaque (Isaac) aforetime! Verily, your Lord is All-Knowing, All-Wise."

Key differences
1. Joseph as a young child had two dreams in the Bible and one in the Qur'an.
2. Joseph told his brothers about the dream in the Bible and it made them hate him more. In the Qur'an, he told his father the dream and he encouraged him to keep the dream from his brothers else!

(Work in Progress)

AbuTwins:
Key differences
1. Joseph as a young child had two dreams in the Bible and one in the Qur'an.
2. Joseph told his brothers about the dream in the Bible and it made them hate him more. In the Qur'an, he told his father the dream and he encouraged him to keep the dream from his brothers else! (Work in Progress)

Kobojunkie:
Are you seriously trying to suggest the Quran, a book written only about 1300 years ago by a complete foreigner entirely removed from the Nation of Israel which existed before his time, is more accurate than the story of the man Joseph written by his very own descendants more than 2500 years ago?

AbuTwins:
■ Of course! The inconsistencies is just too much in the Bible!

Kobojunkie:
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Let me get this straight! So, because you consider the original dairy kept by the descendants of Joseph himself inaccurate, you conclude that the book written by a complete stranger, several thousand years disconnected from the event, should be the more accurate account. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

AbuTwins:
✓ Yes!
Till I conclude the post!

Kobojunkie:
Your conclusion won't change this fact though. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

AbuTwins:
■ Of cos it won't! What's your correct translation of 1 Samuel 13:1 and what do you see to its representation in the Vulgate, the Hebrew, the Septuagint and also the Chaldee? There's also an Hexeplar version! Abeg I dey go sleep! If

Kobojunkie:
Correct Translation? You are attempting to convince us that the story of Joseph written by his own people and descendants should not be trusted. That rather, a story sold by a man who had absolutely no connection to the timeline or people of Israel and his descendants should instead be trusted. How did you get that to make sense to you? That is what I am more interested in realizing here. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mohammed's story comes many thousands of years later in a foreign land and to a foreign man almost 600 years after the nation of Israel formed by the Israelites— descendants of Joseph included— had been destroyed and the people scattered across the world. Yet, somehow you want us to believe that a foreigners story is the more accurate version of what happened to the man named Joseph...Seriously... more evidence is needed on how you came to this conclusion of yours. Abeg, explain this juju for us make we understand. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1 Samuel 13:1
New International Version
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

New Living Translation
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned for forty-two years.

English Standard Version
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel,

Berean Standard Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.

King James Bible
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

New King James Version
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

New American Standard Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty-two years over Israel.

NASB 1995
Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty two years over Israel.

NASB 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

Legacy Standard Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty-two years over Israel.

Amplified Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty-two years over Israel.

Christian Standard Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty-two years over Israel.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Saul was 30 years old when he became king, and he reigned 42 years over Israel.

American Standard Version
Saul was [ forty ] years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And when Shaul reigned one or two years in his kingdom over Israel

Contemporary English Version
Saul was a young man when he became king, and he ruled Israel for two years.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saul was a child of one year when he began to reign, and he reigned two years over Israel.

English Revised Version
Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign; and he reigned two years over Israel.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Saul was [thirty] years old when he became king, and he was king of Israel [forty-two] years.

International Standard Version
Saul was 30 years old when he began to reign, and he ruled for 42 years over Israel.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

Literal Standard Version
Saul [is] a son of [[thirty]] years in his reigning, and he has reigned over Israel [forty]-two years,

Majority Standard Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.

New American Bible
[Saul was. . .years old when he became king and he reigned. . .-two years over Israel.]

NET Bible
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

New Revised Standard Version
Saul was�.�.�. years old when he began to reign; and he reigned�.�.�. and two years over Israel.

New Heart English Bible
Saul was� years old when he began to reign; and he reigned forty years over Israel.

Webster's Bible Translation
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

World English Bible
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.

Young's Literal Translation
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel,

Kobojunkie:
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Let me get this straight! So, because you consider the original dairy kept by the descendants of Joseph himself inaccurate, you conclude that the book written by a complete stranger, several thousand years disconnected from the event, should be the more accurate account. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

MightySparrow:
Do you mean the holy fraud her?

AbuTwins:
■ As usual, you'll divert to what you want to me to hear! But that is not what i asked you!
I just need the translation of the verse below as the people who you trust wrote them originally!
What's your correct translation of 1 Samuel 13:1 and what do you see to its representation in the Vulgate, the Hebrew, the Septuagint and also the Chaldee? There's also an Hexeplar version!

AbuTwins:
The Joke is actually on you and your typo!

AbuTwins:
Of course! The inconsistencies is just too much in the Bible!

AbuTwins:
Of course! The inconsistencies is just too much in the Bible!

Goodnewsforlife:
u Muslims no even get shame

Bible existed long before your Qur'an n majority of stories in your Qur'an were lifted by the Bible n rephrased

Make we no talk further, go n read d story abegnego n his friends n u will realise the false god they failed to bow to is what u Muslims are bowing to now.
U will face a direction n bow, check exactly what those people who bow to false god did

I don't like arguing about religion but this is madness from your path to introduce this

If u check your so called religious guiding principle in Islam u will realise it was formed by some group of nitwits to instill fear in u

Don't let me even go further

MightySparrow:
For a fraudphet?

Kobojunkie:
@AbuTwins , The one desperate to divert here is your person. You created this thread suggesting that the particulars of Joseph's life were vital to the grand scheme of things.

Then you went ahead to suggest that the story told by Joseph's descendants and people was of no use.

Then you conjure up by absurd by suggesting that a story that came almost 1000 years after the original story by a total foreigner who never even encountered the people of Joseph — his descendants — is the more accurate version of Joseph's life. And you take offense when our jaws drop at the absurdity of the claim you continue to make?

2. About 1 Samuel 13: 1 and the life of Joseph, these are just stories of men; accuracy of account does not and should not matter at all. Why? Because they were not gods but men. I know this may be much for you to understand(it is a thing religious folks seem to struggle with in their many tussles to claim supremacy over other religions)but it really matters little whether Saul wore green underwear or Joseph had a rainbow-colored coat. What instead matters is the Word of the God of Israel. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

AbuTwins:
■ I didn't so this. I also did the story of Jacob earlier. And can move on to Moses and others in the future God willing! This is simply your thought! Which of Joseph's descendants wrote anything of the stories of Joseph you have today? Show us their names and who authenticated them and particularly how their stories have been preserved for those years?
That a story came later shouldn't be an issue if we talk about inspiration.
■ The earlier books were never preserved and never memorized by anyone! And it is evident our books were memorized till today by millions! "Who wrote the Bible?" is a question nobody can answer! You just have to zero your mind in faith!
■ If the accuracy of a story you call word of God does not matter then i wonder what matters! And I'm not saying my religion is superior to Christianity! Christianity does not really exist as a religion but a creation of some people after Jesus was no more! The only religion from Allah is Islam! Bye!