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Ballzproblem2:
kamala no send Israel o,you are Right hence why i want trump to win , he'll speed up weapon shipments for Israel.

If you think U.S. foreign policy completely changes depending on the party in power, then you have more to learn. Who do you think voted weapons for Ukraine and Israel? The U.S. Senate comprised of both parties.

Kamala is only playing to the gallery to win diversity votes, and I understand. But if she wins, the U.S. Middle East policy wouldn't dramatically change.
They'd just use middlemen. NATO is a willing tool.

There isn't much difference between the Biden, Obama, and Trump administration dealing with Israel. Israel got weapons under all three POTUS. And tactically protects Israel from the Hague too.

DissTroy:
Hamas isn't Palestine. Boko Haram isn't Northern Nigeria.

I didn't mention Palestine or Ukraine. I was specific.
Why do you support terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah?
Why do you support communist propaganda?

I'm just trying to understand the rationale.

The ANC led by Nelson Mandela fought an armed struggle against the apartheid regime in South Africa and they labeled Mandela a terrorist. Comparing Boko Haram with Hamas has shown that you have limited knowledge on the events happening in the Middle East.

Na you know wetin you mean by communist propaganda.

https://theconversation.com/justifying-the-use-of-violence-to-fight-social-injustice-is-a-recipe-for-disaster-66518

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/24/eff-julius-malema-mandela-similar-hamas-boycott-israel/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432

Amigoss:
Theflint1, so your guy get PhD from UI and Bsc from Uniben but communicates like Bob izua

As you take see am na so I take see am, if dem say e get PhD, e get.

DissTroy:
In retrospect, this is what Obama was inferring when he stated he regretted the interference in Libya.

A Gaddafi, a dictator regardless, would have halted or cushioned the incursion of ISIS into North Africa, through Niger and into West Africa. Like Assad, he would have been a necessary evil to stem the tide of the bigger evil.

There's also the fact that Russia and the U.S. still operate oil facilities in Syria till date and a stable greedy dictator would at least protect that interest.

It didnt start with Libya, It actually started from Iraq and Saddam, With Saddm in power ISIS would have never started. ISIS actually means Islamic State in IRAQ and Syria(Levant). If US never got rid of Saddam ISIS would never gain grounds. It was the lawlessness that followed Saddam death and weapons freely on the street that empowered ISIS.
The Arab world knows how to handle themselves and they only respect brute strenght and not pallying. You can see how Obama and Biden cozying up to Iran has blown back in their faces, Obama and Biden releasing Iran seized funds only found its way to the hands of terror organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis to destabilize the region further, but they didnt learn from Iraq, Anyone could have predicted the fallout from Libya, We saw how the Moslem Brotherhood moved in Egypt after Mubrak was ousted, so why do you think they will learn or care about the destabilization as a result of Assad topple?

But ISIS isn't defeated. We've only mostly shifted our attention to Hezbollah, Israel and Hamas, while ISIS destroys with lesser media attention.
Subsets of ISIS joined with subsets of Boko Haram to create ISWAP which is more loyal to ISIS and battles Boko Haram for supremacy in the North of Nigeria, Chad, and Niger axis.

You cant totally defeat a terror group, you can only degrade them. In the late Obama years, ISIS was moving mad in Europe mainland, they had conquered many places in Middle east. Compared to ISIS of 2014/15/16, this 2024 version is "defeated" or better said degraded and gone into dormancy which they will spring from the moment Assad stops pressing their neck

I will credit Trump and Putin for the success on ISIS and not Obama or Biden

Amigoss:
Hehehe,you sabi ......Bob izua was a menace back then....

Would you believe that Kabaka's son is already in on the thuggin game?

Same way Kabaka took over from his Uncle Bob Izua, won't be surprised if this Kabaka's son takes over at some point down the road...proper family business it has become.

Theflint1:
Would you believe that Kabaka's son is already in on the thuggin game?

Same way Kabaka took over from his Uncle Bob Izua, won't be surprised if this Kabaka's son takes over at some point down the road...proper family business it has become.

Then Kabaka would be stupidd. He knows the street and its not for faint hearted, you are always 5mins from a bullet.
See McOluomo, All his children are abroad, he has set them up for a better life, Sunday Igboho all his children are abroad

Any street gangster wey involve his own biological child in street warfare does not love that child, that you can disappear and enter into a rabbit hole does not mean your child can. And you child is a soft target for your enemies

DissTroy:
If you think U.S. foreign policy completely changes depending on the party in power, then you have more to learn. Who do you think voted weapons for Ukraine and Israel? The U.S. Senate comprised of both parties.

[Kamala is only playing to the gallery to win diversity votes, and I understand. But if she wins, the U.S. Middle East policy wouldn't dramatically change.
They'd just use middlemen. NATO is a willing tool.

There isn't much difference between the Biden, Obama, and Trump administration dealing with Israel. Israel got weapons under all three POTUS. And tactically protects Israel from the Hague too.

The bold is what I think too.

Ballzproblem2:
kamala no send Israel o,you are Right hence why i want trump to win , he'll speed up weapon shipments for Israel.

Israel will do whatever it wants regardless of who wins.
Israel is only exercising caution because the world pushed back on the carnage in Gaza.
When even Canada is saying no more weapons for you, you know you've f*cked up.

Also, Trump winning will not automatically mean an all-out war with Lebanon.
His son-in-law is Lebanese-Nigerian. And the father Massad, CEO of SCOA Nigeria, is the de facto leader of the Trump Campaign's outreach to the Arab- American community.
The only Arab American mayor in Michigan endorsed Trump yesterday thanks to the Boulos.

The only impact the election winner will have is the terms of a ceasefire deal.
Iran and their proxies want Kamala. That's why they hacked the Trump campaign and sent the compromised information to the Biden-Harris campaign.
Netanyahu and the Israeli Right want Trump.

Essentially, Netanyahu will make more concessions if Harris wins.
But will insist on a very favorable deal if Trump wins.

-Lord

Even United Nations Organisation does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist group.
In the words of UNO Special Coordinator for the Middle East, Hamas is not a terror group but rather a political movement

LordAdam16:
I think they just weren't cut out for monarchial rule.
They were excellent as Sharifs, viceroys to a Sovereign.
As standalone Masters of their fate, they fall embarrassingly short.

Every noble aspires to royalty.
It was atrocious of the House to finally get the opportunity after waiting patiently for 1,000 years and then act like the crown was too heavy.

-Lord

You might be right, but I think if they had consolidated their energy and forces in one area like Ibn Saud instead of trying to rule the entire Middle East, things might have turned out better for them.

You have to remember that that had no direct links to most of these countries they were trying to rule. One son just appeared in Syria one day and told them he was their king. Their only real roots were in the Western portion of Arabia.

If the Sharif had consolidated his efforts in the Hejaz and Jordan and placed power in the hands of his 2nd son (with the others supporting) they might have held on to power in the Arabian peninsula.



Instead, he spread them thin and handed Hejaz to his incompetent eldest son. As it stands the descendants of the 2nd son are still holding on to power in Jordan.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
The ANC led by Nelson Mandela fought an armed struggle against the apartheid regime in South Africa and they labeled Mandela a terrorist. Comparing Boko Haram with Hamas has shown that you have limited knowledge on the events happening in the Middle East.

Na you know wetin you mean by communist propaganda.

https://theconversation.com/justifying-the-use-of-violence-to-fight-social-injustice-is-a-recipe-for-disaster-66518

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/24/eff-julius-malema-mandela-similar-hamas-boycott-israel/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432

Stop drawing false equivalence. The ANC didn't deviate. It fought a war of nationalism.

Hamas is fighting a religious-cum-sectional war which muddles everything. Hamas' first claim to power was to assassinate duly elected officials (actual Palestines). Its rise to power began with a coup which rubbishes all its claims to legitimacy. And, it has premised its war against Israel as a religious war against the "Zionists", never mind that there are actual Muslim Jews residing in Israel.

It's exactly like Boko Haram toppingly the Borno State Government then declaring a war on Nigeria because we are Zionists, never mind that there are Fulanis and Muslims in other parts of Nigeria who are actually Nigerians.

There's no equivalence with the ANC and Hamas. The ANC supported Palestine, not Hamas.

Hamas doesn't even represent the whole of Palestine. Don't take my word for it - go verify my claims.

DissTroy:
If you think U.S. foreign policy completely changes depending on the party in power, then you have more to learn. Who do you think voted weapons for Ukraine and Israel? The U.S. Senate comprised of both parties.

Kamala is only playing to the gallery to win diversity votes, and I understand. But if she wins, the U.S. Middle East policy wouldn't dramatically change.
They'd just use middlemen. NATO is a willing tool.

There isn't much difference between the Biden, Obama, and Trump administration dealing with Israel. Israel got weapons under all three POTUS. And tactically protects Israel from the Hague too.

Generally the policies might be the same but specific administration have their biases. Trump and Republicans will be more pro Israel. Biden and Kamala is telling Israel to tone it down, I doubt Trump will say anything like that

Biden and Obama released seized money to Iran. Trump might not do that. Biden and Obama want to include Obama in the circle of friends, Bush and Trump already tagged them Axis of evil

LordAdam16:
Israel will do whatever it wants regardless of who wins.
Israel is only exercising caution because the world pushed back on the carnage in Gaza.
When even Canada is saying no more weapons for you, you know you've f*cked up.

Also, Trump winning will not automatically mean an all-out war with Lebanon.
His son-in-law is Lebanese-Nigerian. And the father Massad, CEO of SCOA Nigeria, is the de facto leader of the Trump Campaign's outreach to the Arab- American community.
The only Arab American mayor in Michigan endorsed Trump yesterday thanks to the Boulos.

The only impact the election winner will have is the terms of a ceasefire deal.
Iran and their proxies want Kamala. That's why they hacked the Trump campaign and sent the compromised information to the Biden-Harris campaign.
Netanyahu and the Israeli Right want Trump.

Essentially, Netanyahu will make more concessions if Harris wins.
But will insist on a very favorable deal if Trump wins.

-Lord

These concessions and insisting are not minor in the scheme of the war

DissTroy:
Stop drawing false equivalence. The ANC didn't deviate. It fought a war of nationalism.

Hamas is fighting a religious-cum-sectional war which muddles everything. Hamas' first claim to power was to assassinate duly elected officials (actual Palestines). Its rise to power began with a coup which rubbishes all its claims to legitimacy. And, it has premised its war against Israel as a religious war against the "Zionists", never mind that there are actual Muslim Jews residing in Israel.

It's exactly like Boko Haram toppingly the Borno State Government then declaring a war on Nigeria because we are Zionists, never mind that there are Fulanis and Muslims in other parts of Nigeria who are actually Nigerians.

There's no equivalence with the ANC and Hamas. The ANC supported Palestine, not Hamas.

Hamas doesn't even represent the whole of Palestine. Don't take my word for it - go verify my claims.

I'm not deviating. ANC took up arms, in other words they accepted violence and killing to achieve their goals. That was when the apartheid sympathisers tagged "Mandela" as a terrorist. Same way Hamas is fighting an armed struggle.

According to United Nations, Hamas is a political movement. Nothing else.

Theflint1:
Would you believe that Kabaka's son is already in on the thuggin game?

Same way Kabaka took over from his Uncle Bob Izua, won't be surprised if this Kabaka's son takes over at some point down the road...proper family business it has become.

Wow!!!

I just knew few hours ago that Bob izua was kabaka's uncle....

With Apc now in,The whole ring road,transporters and market women about to see shege....

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
I'm not deviating. ANC took up arms, in other words they accepted violence and killing to achieve their goals. That was when the apartheid sympathisers tagged "Mandela" as a terrorist. Same way Hamas is fighting an armed struggle.

According to United Nations, Hamas is a political movement. Nothing else.

The United Nations is literally a paper tiger. Majority of the countries with real power and veto power actually do regard Hamas as a terrorist group.

raumdeuter:
Then Kabaka would be stupidd. He knows the street and its not for faint hearted, you are always 5mins from a bullet.
See McOluomo, All his children are abroad, he has set them up for a better life, Sunday Igboho all his children are abroad

Any street gangster wey involve his own biological child in street warfare does not love that child, that you can disappear and enter into a rabbit hole does not mean your child can. And you child is a soft target for your enemies

True, however much they say Oluomo is a thug and whatnot, he's always made a conscious effort to posture like a respectable member of society, I've never seen any picture or video of Mc Oluomo with a gun...I remember they shot him a few years back, but that's as much as I know of him personally involved in violence... the man always makes effort to code. Compare that with a Kabaka or say an Asari Dokubo, and it's something else entirely....those guys would in their 70s still be forming hard man.

I think these thugs that don't try to code their thugging would find it hard to completely insulate their kids from the game, plus there are kids that however much you try would sha want to be involved in family biz.

raumdeuter:
Generally the policies might be the same but specific administration have their biases. Trump and Republicans will be more pro Israel. Biden and Kamala is telling Israel to tone it down, I doubt Trump will say anything like that

That is where the Left is very tricky. Tone it down one minute, the next minute Bibi is physically appealing in the U.S. Congress. Minutes later, it is threatening the Hague for going after Bibi. Changed its stance a few weeks later, but the Hague is surprisingly no longer threatening. Who are they playing to the gallery to fôôl?

Biden and Obama released seized money to Iran. Trump might not do that. Biden and Obama want to include Obama in the circle of friends, Bush and Trump already tagged them Axis of evil

Given how Iran has played its hand too open now, I doubt Obama would have given them that money. Obama is the master of finesse - the archetypal Mr. Steal Your Girl. Smooth talker and a master of words. It's about diplomacy and how weighty the words of the POTUS are.
Trump isn't given to political speak and all of that flowery verbiage (partly why many find him appealing). He'd tell you how it is.
If was honest enough to admit he screwed up with Libya so I assume if he knew what we know now about Iran acting out, he'd have acted differently. But his sins are still his to bear and screwed Sub-Saharan Africa over with his meddlesomeness.


Asides from the mistake with paying Iran billions, Obama's Israel policy wasn't necessary different from Trump's. We can only assume how Trump might have handled the Arab Spring and Iran between 2010 and 2013.

BlueRayDick:
The United Nations is literally a paper tiger. Majority of the countries with real power and veto power actually do regard Hamas as a terrorist group.

Dude you're not known for shifting the goalpost.

DissTroy:
If you think U.S. foreign policy completely changes depending on the party in power, then you have more to learn. Who do you think voted weapons for Ukraine and Israel? The U.S. Senate comprised of both parties.

Kamala is only playing to the gallery to win diversity votes, and I understand. But if she wins, the U.S. Middle East policy wouldn't dramatically change.
They'd just use middlemen. NATO is a willing tool.

There isn't much difference between the Biden, Obama, and Trump administration dealing with Israel. Israel got weapons under all three POTUS. And tactically protects Israel from the Hague too.

it won't change but it will be affected,I can count how many times Biden slowed heavy bombs for Israel due to "concern" for Gaza civilians,or when he told Israel not to enter Rafah,their PM refused obviously.

So yes ,democrat president is bad for Israel,Kamala will force them into shitty peace deal.

Amigoss:
Wow!!!

I just knew few hours ago that Bob izua was kabaka's uncle....

With Apc now in,The whole ring road,transporters and market women about to see shege....

Ah, it was open now, there was even one time they were competing, Kabaka was on the come-up and Bob Izua in his last legs, and Kabaka would come to ITV and start crying that Bob Izua is oppressing him that people should help him beg ...was all part of him playing underdog and portraying himself as victim sha, but it was funny to see then.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
I'm not deviating. ANC took up arms, in other words they accepted violence and killing to achieve their goals. That was when the apartheid sympathisers tagged "Mandela" as a terrorist. Same way Hamas is fighting an armed struggle.

According to United Nations, Hamas is a political movement. Nothing else.

According to CAC registrations, fraternities are sociocultural groups. Go figure!

BlueRayDick:
The United Nations is literally a paper tiger. Majority of the countries with real power and veto power actually do regard Hamas as a terrorist group.

So once you're not in the good book of US you should be tagged a terrorist because the US is the one with REAL POWER??

raumdeuter:
Then Kabaka would be stupidd. He knows the street and its not for faint hearted, you are always 5mins from a bullet.
See McOluomo, All his children are abroad, he has set them up for a better life, Sunday Igboho all his children are abroad

Any street gangster wey involve his own biological child in street warfare does not love that child, that you can disappear and enter into a rabbit hole does not mean your child can. And you child is a soft target for your enemies

Is he tho'.

The Cartels, Mafia, Triads all favor progenies joining the family business.
Why should it be different for our gangs?

We actually want dynasties and cohesive structures in the underworld.
The upstarts in Mexico took brutality to new heights in trying to make a name for themselves.
If El Padrino's vision had borne out. The cartels would have become like the Mafia families.
Violence when necessary but be multi-billion dollar orgz in both the black (drug dealing) and grey markets (resorts, agriculture, mining, CRE).

If his kid has the aptitude or wants to go corporate, fine.
But if his kid wants to be a Chapito, by all means.
Organized crime in Nigeria is safer for higher-ups than in many hotspots
We've essentially institutionalized it.
When Tompolo runs a security outfit and has contracts with the Presidency, why won't a dark scion see it as a promising career path?
We're no longer in the rent a gun to go for operations era anymore. That's for the bottom-feeders.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
Israel will do whatever it wants regardless of who wins.
Israel is only exercising caution because the world pushed back on the carnage in Gaza.
When even Canada is saying no more weapons for you, you know you've f*cked up.

Also, Trump winning will not automatically mean an all-out war with Lebanon.
His son-in-law is Lebanese-Nigerian. And the father Massad, CEO of SCOA Nigeria, is the de facto leader of the Trump Campaign's outreach to the Arab- American community.
The only Arab American mayor in Michigan endorsed Trump yesterday thanks to the Boulos.

The only impact the election winner will have is the terms of a ceasefire deal.
Iran and their proxies want Kamala. That's why they hacked the Trump campaign and sent the compromised information to the Biden-Harris campaign.
Netanyahu and the Israeli Right want Trump.

Essentially, Netanyahu will make more concessions if Harris wins.
But will insist on a very favorable deal if Trump wins.

-Lord

Israel is holding back because of civilians,trust me it wouldn't take much to lessen Lebanon. They're waiting for evacuation first before they probably start ground invasion.

Theflint1:
True, however much they say Oluomo is a thug and whatnot, he's always made a conscious effort to posture like a respectable member of society, I've never seen any picture or video of Mc Oluomo with a gun...I remember they shot him a few years back, but that's as much as I know of him personally involved in violence... the man always makes effort to code. Compare that with a Kabaka or say an Asari Dokubo, and it's something else entirely....those guys would in their 70s still be forming hard man.

I think these thugs that don't try to code their thugging would find it hard to completely insulate their kids from the game, plus there are kids that however much you try would sha want to be involved in family biz.

Well, dem MC Oluomo cleaned up long time ago. You would hardly see any top Agbero who has made it to the pinnacle of their thuggery business move around with arms and ammunition.

It is their foot soldiers that do the fighting for them once they move up the food chain. You would rather see police escort with MC Oluomo than see him brandishing guns and knives himself.

I guess in the Niger Delta u must show what u've got before people fear u on the streets. Maybe that's why dem Tompolo, Asari, Kabaka , etc always move with arms and ammunitions.

Ballzproblem2:
it won't change but it will be affected,I can count how many times Biden slowed heavy bombs for Israel due to "concern" for Gaza civilians,or when he told Israel not to enter Rafah,their PM refused obviously.

So yes ,democrat president is bad for Israel,Kamala will force them into shitty peace deal.

Most of you seem to forget Kamala Harris' husband is an actual Jew. He's been part of pro-Israel and pro-Jewish delegations. Kamala is playing to the gallery for diversity votes

Another example: You really think Kamala who made a career in law enforcement believes all that Leftist "Defund the police!" mantra? She dances around that topic.

Israel has the U.S.' full support, just as Saudi Arabia supports Israel taking on Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran, but it wouldn't outrightly admit to it for optics. It's about not being seen to be offending your support base so you can act like it's not in your control.
Same for the Left, same for Saudi.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Dude you're not known for shifting the goalpost.

I wasn't shifting goalpost, I was only pointing it out that the real people who decides are those individual countries like USA, UK, France, China, etc.

For example if the UN says they want to impose economic sanctions on Israel today, by the time USA, UK and France commot their hand u will discover such plans will amount to nought.

DissTroy:
That is where the Left is very tricky. Tone it down one minute, the next minute Bibi is physically appealing in the U.S. Congress. Minutes later, it is threatening the Hague for going after Bibi. Changed its stance a few weeks later, but the Hague is surprisingly no longer threatening. Who are they playing to the gallery to fôôl?

Some things are beyond the president like Congress hosting Bibi which Kamala avoided, or allowing Hague to go after Bibi. There are still many interest in Congress that are pro Israel. I think even Biden being the old school guy is sympathetic to Israel but Kamala and Obama are not so much. Its the public scolding of Netanyahu that is giving EU and Canada liver to do the same. Trump knows many of the EU are dependent on US contribution for their NAO defence. Trump will tell them straight up, support me and I support you against Russia

Given how Iran has played its hand too open now, I doubt Obama would have given them that money. Obama is the master of finesse - the archetypal Mr. Steal Your Girl. Smooth talker and a master of words. It's about diplomacy and how weighty the words of the POTUS are.
Trump isn't given to political speak and all of that flowery verbiage (partly why many find him appealing). He'd tell you how it is.
If was honest enough to admit he screwed up with Libya so I assume if he knew what we know now about Iran acting out, he'd have acted differently. But his sins are still his to bear and screwed Sub-Saharan Africa over with his meddlesomeness.


Asides from the mistake with paying Iran billions, Obama's Israel policy wasn't necessary different from Trump's. We can only assume how Trump might have handled the Arab Spring and Iran between 2010 and 2013.

To think Obama didn't guess how Iran will spend the money is unbelievable, Everyone knows their number 1 goal. He was warned about releasing those funds but didn't. Obama is not a dunce, I am not 10% as smart as him and I could have guessed that a regime that sponsors terror, will continue to do so when they have more money.

Trump on the other hand has approached the neutral Arab nations like Bahrain Qatar Saudi UAE, those who like to enjoy and are not radicals that if you want more US investment, US tourists then you need to ensure your region is safe, Recognize Israel normalize relations with Israel, handle terrorists, Any terror attack means I hold you responsible. This was what his Abraham accord was about until the Biden admin scuttled it

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
So once you're not in the good book of US you should be tagged a terrorist because the US is the one with REAL POWER??

It's not just the USA, majority of the world powers.

LordAdam16:
Is he tho'.

The Cartels, Mafia, Triads all favor progenies joining the family business.
Why should it be different for our gangs?

We actually want dynasties and cohesive structures in the underworld.
The upstarts in Mexico took brutality to new heights in trying to make a name for themselves.
If El Padrino's vision had borne out. The cartels would have become like the Mafia families.
Violence when necessary but be multi-billion dollar orgz in both the black (drug dealing) and grey markets (resorts, agriculture, mining, CRE).

If his kid has the aptitude or wants to go corporate, fine.
But if his kid wants to be a Chapito, by all means.
Organized crime in Nigeria is safer for higher-ups than in many hotspots
We've essentially institutionalized it.
When Tompolo runs a security outfit and has contracts with the Presidency, why won't a dark scion see it as a promising career path?
We're no longer in the rent a gun to go for operations era anymore. That's for the bottom-feeders.

-Lord

Kabaka has yet to clean up like that and he is still doing street thuggery, brandishing guns, and machete. In the street one random 17yr old can get ideas. Even cartel bosses curate their image, they have an inner circle that doesnt carry arms and pose as legit businessmen while the street thugs do their runs for them.

That street run things is very dangerous and anytime can be offed

At the DNC, pro-Israel Jews embrace Kamala Harris with her husband present.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-08-20/ty-article/.premium/at-dnc-pro-israel-jews-embrace-harris-as-pro-palestinians-gop-try-to-shift-narrative/00000191-6d2d-d8c7-a3d7-7fff1c160000

Reported by Israeli media. You better not let that woman fool you into thinking she'd tone down support for Israel if she wins.

Until a few months ago when she was sure she'd be in the race, she never showed any empathy for Gaza. Now she has. Guess why? To garner minority votes and support of ultras like AOC and IIhan Omar.

She's literally been giving blówjobs to a Jew and pro-Israel canvasser every night for years.