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Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Keep telling yourself these things.

Just simple question, see panicking

Are you of Jacob blood?

Kobojunkie:
The details you seek are as written in the Book called the Bible or the Old Israelites texts. Jesus Christ is the Son of God — God's Constitutional Law in the Kingdom/Nation of God — and He was sent by God only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. These details are found in the book.

This is a teaching found in the Bible, yet it is important to note that there are various interpretations of its meaning. One such statement is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. In Christian theology, this declaration signifies that Jesus is not only the promised Messiah but also shares a unique, divine relationship with God the Father. He is believed to be both fully human and fully divine, possessing the same nature as God.
Is the bolded right?

Petalss:
■ This is a teaching found in the Bible, yet it is important to note that there are various interpretations of its meaning...

Why these various interpretations? Where in the book is it stated that interpretations are allowed or to be considered to begin with? What particular author of what book in that entire compendium insists on the creation of these interpretations you speak of? Why must I debate these various interpretations rather than simply accept what is written in the book of Jesus Christ and this God of Israel? Of what value or meaning is any of that exercise?

Consider the following text.

Edet lives in Calabar. He is 8 years old. Every morning he goes to school. But in the afternoon, he stays at home. He likes to read. His mother buys him books from the bookstore.

What interpretations are necessary to simply comprehend the message being conveyed in the passage? How many of them? Why?

Kobojunkie:
Why these various interpretations? Where in the book is it stated that interpretations are allowed or to be considered to begin with? Why must I debate these various interpretations rather than simply accept what is written in the book of Jesus Christ and this God of Israel? Of what value or meaning is all of that exercise?

I have come across varying interpretations of certain verses and statements in the Bible, which have led me to reflect on their meanings.

For instance, in one passage, it is clearly stated that Jesus was sent "only to the lost sheep of Israel." This seems quite straightforward, implying His mission was specifically directed to the people of Israel and not to other nations.

However, in another well-known verse, we read, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son." This seems to imply that the term "world" refers to everyone, encompassing all nations and peoples, not just Israel.

This raises an important question: Should we interpret "the world" in this context as the entire world, or could it have a more specific or nuanced meaning?

Note: I’m not attempting to start a debate or argument, but I’m genuinely curious about understanding the meaning from your perspective. How do you reconcile these two verses?

Petalss:
■ I have come across varying interpretations of certain verses and statements in the Bible, which have led me to reflect on their meanings.
For instance, in one passage, it is clearly stated that Jesus was sent "only to the lost sheep of Israel." This seems quite straightforward, implying His mission was specifically directed to the people of Israel and not to other nations.
However, in another well-known verse, we read, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son." This seems to imply that the term "world" refers to everyone, encompassing all nations and peoples, not just Israel. This raises an important question: Should we interpret "the world" in this context as the entire world, or could it have a more specific or nuanced meaning?
Note: I’m not attempting to start a debate or argument, but I’m genuinely curious about understanding the meaning from your perspective. How do you reconcile these two verses?

I already responded to this earlier on this same thread.

The contextual meaning of a word is always more important when attempting to comprehend writing than any other idea one may have in one's head. The key to understanding the world that Jesus Christ spoke of in John 3 vs 16 is given by Him in John 3 vs 14.

↪ While in the desert, the God of Israel sent snakes to kill the Israelites for complaining. And then the God of Israel told Moses to lift a bronze snake proclaiming that those of the people of Israel— no mention of the foreigners who lived among them in the entire tale— bitten by the snakes(condemned to die) who would choose to look up at the bronze statue would be saved from death(condemnation of death), a sentence inflicted on them by the God of Israel Himself.

4 The Israelites left Mount Hor and traveled on the road that goes to the Red Sea. They did this to go around the country of Edom. But the people became impatient.
5 They began complaining against God and Moses. The people said, “Why did you bring us out of Egypt? We will die here in the desert! There is no bread and no water! And we hate this terrible food!”
6 So the Lord sent poisonous snakes among the people. The snakes bit the people, and many of the Israelites(not foreigners) died.
7 The people came to Moses and said, “We know that we sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray to the Lord. Ask him to take away these snakes.” So Moses prayed for them.
8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a bronze snake and put it on a pole. If anyone is bitten by a snake, that person should look at the bronze snake on the pole. Then that person will not die.”
9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it on a pole. Then when a snake bit anyone, that person looked at the bronze snake on the pole and lived. - Numbers 21 vs 4 - 9

Recall that at this point in the journey, the Nation of Israel had not been constituted so the text majorly regarded the descendants of Jacob — Israelites— separate from the foreigners among them. Moses lifted the bronze snake, and those who looked at it lived.

↪ Jesus Christ, in John 3 vs 14, is written to have said that in much the same way that Moses lifted the snake in the desert for the people of Israel He too would be raised as a beacon for those among them — the people of Israel — who wished to live after having been condemned to die by God of Israel - Deuteronomy 28.

14 “Moses lifted up the snake in the desert. It is the same with the Son of Man. He must be lifted too.
15 Then everyone who believes in him can have eternal life.”
16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
17 God sent his Son into the world. He did not send him to judge the world guilty but to save the world through him. - John 3 vs 14-16

Two things from all of this is
► God is responsible for condemning the Israelites to perish in the grave — lost. And He, God then also sent Jesus Christ to save the same people... Israel... after condemning them to die. Same as He did with the serpent back in the desert.
► The World that Jesus Christ was sent to is the same world that consists of those condemned of Israel aka the Lost sheep of Israel. Just as Jesus Christ made clear in Matthew 15 vs 21 - 28.

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When one completely disregards the contextual meaning of a word or term to apply in its place a meaning or definition removed from — foreign— the text itself, one is no longer attempting to comprehend the content of the text in question. Rather, it becomes an attempt to impose a meaning/understanding different from that contained within the text itself. This pretty much goes against every rule that guides human language comprehension.

This happens to be what those in religious sects including Christianity who brandish their many interpretations are ultimately guilty. Their various interpretations violate the very context and content of the texts they quote, texts all written by humans with human hands in human languages and ultimately broadcast for human consumption.

Petalss:
When I see stuff like this from Trinitarians. All I see is: Jesus God is the root and offspring of David, he is the true champion.

Jesus christ is God in the flesh, in the flesh he came through the lineage of David hence he is offspring of David in the flesh.

Kobojunkie:
Again, Which God? I hope you don't mean the God of Israel who swore that HIs only inheritance in the world of men is those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their literal veins.

Your best bet is finding a god among the many Nigerian deities to cater to your needs rather than let people like OP continue to deceive and delude you into thinking some foreign deity is coming to save you and others in Nigeria. Look around at how the country has faired since the introduction of the ideas of these foreign deities to see for yourself that their major presence has been absent however the cruel lies and wickedness of Nigerians who claim to believe in them are everywhere to be seen.

I pity you .Don't die of frustration.

I have been saved by the living God and everything moves smoothly for me

Ginomel:
■ I pity you .Don't die of frustration. I have been saved by the living God
■ and everything moves smoothly for me

What is the name of this living God that supposedly saved you?

2. What does it mean to say everything moves smoothly for me?

Kobojunkie:
What is the name of this living God that supposedly saved you?

2. What does it mean to say everything moves smoothly for me?

The wiseless won't understand. Pray for wisdom. Better than learning in a hard way.

Ginomel:
✓ The wiseless won't understand. Pray for wisdom. Better than learning in a hard way.

This from one who knows he has been caught in a lie.