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LordReed:
■ Can you quote any verse in the Bible where it says the god condemned slavery.

Comprehension na your particular problem abi wetin?

Kobojunkie:
Comprehension na your particular problem abi wetin?

Comprehension of what exactly? I asked you a question,I dunno what you think I am supposed to comprehend when you haven't answered my question.

LordReed:
■ Comprehension of what exactly? I asked you a question,I dunno what you think I am supposed to comprehend when you haven't answered my question.

Why in the world would you think to ask me such a stewpid question in the first place if it isn't that you failed to comprehend what I clearly stated?

Kobojunkie:
Why in the world would you think to ask me such a stewpid question in the first place if it isn't that you failed to comprehend what I clearly stated?

The stupid one here is you since you can't CLEARLY COMPREHEND that my question has nothing to do with what you stated.

You merely switched to insults to cover your stupidity.

LordReed:
■ The stupid one here is you since you can't CLEARLY COMPREHEND that my question has nothing to do with what you stated. You merely switched to insults to cover your stupidity.

Oh, I am to blame for your inability to comprehend what is clearly stated? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Why do I feel like you don't want to hold the Europeans accountable?

Where I come from it was the missionaries who brought Christianity, the same missionaries were European. If the European colonizers accepted slavery why do you think their religion will reject slavery??

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I am to blame for your inability to comprehend what is clearly stated? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

You're to blame for your own wilful stupidity. This is how dumbasses behave, switch to insults in an attempt to cover their shamelessness.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
■ Why do I feel like you don't want to hold the Europeans accountable? Where I come from it was the missionaries who brought Christianity, the same missionaries were European. If the European colonizers accepted slavery why do you think their religion will reject slavery??

Slavery existed in Nigeria long before the colonials came by. Let's stop telling these lies abeg!

Kobojunkie:
Slavery existed in Nigeria long before the colonials came by. Let's stop telling these lies abeg!

You have comprehension problem.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
■ You have comprehension problem.

Sure, sure! But that still does not change the fact that Slavery existed in Nigeria long before the colonials showed up, so there is no holding the Europeans accountable for slavery in Nigeria or Africa.

Kobojunkie:
Sure, sure! But that still does not change the fact that Slavery existed in Nigeria long before the colonials showed up, so there is no holding the Europeans accountable for slavery in Nigeria or Africa.

adeniyi65:
"I am doing a research on slavery which I'm trying to make a video after it to enlighten our populace that European shouldn't be blame for trans Atlantic slave trade which the community of Internet scammers dodge behind as the reason why they are scamming them back now. But I was surprised when I checked the perspective of christianity on the subject. It was so terrible that I have to stop mid way and drop tears for horrible actions religion had watch on to happen to people that
God claimed he created in his image. Even animals should be treated better compares to Bible narrative.


One of the passage in the Bible that hurt my mind so much on this subject is Exodus21:20.

In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is too gory to feed our children"

The OP was talking about Europeans, bible, Christianity and their role in slave trade. Nowhere did he say that slavery did not exist before the Europeans came to Africa. You intentionally invented that argument.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
■ The OP was talking about Europeans, bible, Christianity and their role in slave trade. Nowhere did he say that slavery did not exist before the Europeans came to Africa.
■ You intentionally invented that argument.

OK. I see your point now!

2. I didn't invent that part at all!

StillDtruth:
The point is that they practiced slave trade in addition to the usual trade which is normally what evil people do and they were destroyed by God for all their evils including slave trading.

So, its a point and that is why the bible told us.

It's like you didn't read my quote that he quoted. If you can't read the whole of Exodus21, at least read the last two verses the reason why they where destroyed is there. If you say it is because of slave trade. What if another person says it's because they do other legal business. Don't let us continue repeating same thing on that. It is clear as snow, read the last two verses.

StillDtruth:
So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.

You guys have been blindfolded from reasoning outside Bible. That's the fact.

KnownUnknown:
I have no colleagues.
Save your explanation. Not remotely interested in your musings.

calm down, no hard feelings.
dont let your emotions overtake your sense of rationality.
If u see the truth, embrace it.

adeniyi65:
yes. Law is supposed be made for all. But omini potence God that want all nations to worship him should give law to stop absurdities not to manage it. As he gives law to stop idolatry(his favorite), he supposed give law to stop slavery instead of managing slavery telling how people should treat their slaves. what is so hard in saying "DESIST FROM SLAVERY"

SO IF GOD SAYS SLAVE TRADING IS A SIN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

I HOPE U KNOW SIN IS ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD. WHAT COULD BE WORSE THAN THAT?

adeniyi65:
That is false. You quoted out of context to suit your need. Now take your reasoning cap and read from the beginning of that chapter to its end. It's only 24 verses but I will personally bring the important ones here. The chapter did not say that slave traders are bound for hell. The chapter explained the annihilation of the great city of Babylon through burning of fire. The question we should ask is why did God annihilated them? The answer is down in the last 2 verses. 23 "...By your(Babylon) magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her(Babylon) was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” that's the reason while the city is pulled down.




To clear it further, the verse 11-13 you brought where slaves were mentioned was not singlehandedly outlined. It was listed with every other trades carried out in Babylon burning because of God annihilating the city. If you dodge in that verse, that means God is burning those that practice other legal trades as listed there too. Here is the verse 11- 13 again, “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves. you see now that slave is not the subject there. every other trade practiced by Babylon is mentioned. Therefore the chapter has nothing to do with slave traders burning in hell. It's dedicated to babylonians for killing God's prophets, killing holy people, slaughtering people on earth and their magic spell which is leading all their neighboring nations astray.

DO u even understand the concept of the book of Revelation or chapter 19 at all.
I do hope u are not referring to the ancient city of babylon in your explanation....A city that was already dissolved into other empires as the time the book of Revelation was revealed.
As at chapter 19 of the revelation, the rapture had already taken place and what's being described there is part of reign of the anti-christ.
Babylon in that chapter is an anthropomorphism describing the evil world system, controlled by the Antichrist, during the last days before Jesus’ return. The LovePeddler of Babylon also has religious connotations – spiritual adultery with the beast being the focus of an ungodly, end-times religious system. The traders were those who benefitted from the evil system and they were all destined for destruction.

adeniyi65:
That is false. You quoted out of context to suit your need. Now take your reasoning cap and read from the beginning of that chapter to its end. It's only 24 verses but I will personally bring the important ones here. The chapter did not say that slave traders are bound for hell. The chapter explained the annihilation of the great city of Babylon through burning of fire. The question we should ask is why did God annihilated them? The answer is down in the last 2 verses. 23 "...By your(Babylon) magic spell all the nations were led astray.
24 In her(Babylon) was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” that's the reason while the city is pulled down.




To clear it further, the verse 11-13 you brought where slaves were mentioned was not singlehandedly outlined. It was listed with every other trades carried out in Babylon burning because of God annihilating the city. If you dodge in that verse, that means God is burning those that practice other legal trades as listed there too. Here is the verse 11- 13 again, “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves. you see now that slave is not the subject there. every other trade practiced by Babylon is mentioned. Therefore the chapter has nothing to do with slave traders burning in hell. It's dedicated to babylonians for killing God's prophets, killing holy people, slaughtering people on earth and their magic spell which is leading all their neighboring nations astray.

DO u even understand the concept of the book of Revelation or chapter 19 at all.
I do hope u are not referring to the ancient city of babylon in your explanation....A city that was already dissolved into other empires as the time the book of Revelation was revealed.
As at chapter 19 of the revelation, the rapture had already taken place and what's being described there is part of reign of the anti-christ during the great tribulation.
Babylon in that chapter is an anthropomorphism describing the evil world system, controlled by the Antichrist, during the last days before Jesus’ return. The LovePeddler of Babylon also has religious connotations – spiritual adultery with the beast being the focus of an ungodly, end-times religious system. The traders were those who benefitted from the evil system and will be destined for destruction.

pls b4 u reply me go and read apocalypse and the great tribulation as per Christian theology. if u yarn nonsense again, I will just ignore u

adeniyi65:
SIRTee15




That Exodus21 is interesting. It's the chapter that gives power to slave owners on most barbaric act in slavery, which says slave masters can beat the h*ll out of their slaves as long as they dont die because they (slaves) are their properties. What is more gruesome than that. If you have refused to be logical, will you be happy if me and you are to go back into those days and I have your children as my slaves, will you be happy if I beat sh_i_t out of them because God allowed me to do so as long as I don't kill them for you? Don't be primitive in the name of religion bro.

I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.
Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

Adeniyiademola:
It's still me Adeniyi dear SIRTee15
I could have replied you once but I have setback with uploading now through that adeniyi65 account. cc:seun the bug should be fix pls. I haven't break any rule of this platform. So, to the last part of that your argument

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The chapter that gives you orgasm still goes further to give us law on how to buy/own slaves,(verse 2-7) and how to own more slaves by getting a wife for our slave so that their children can multiply our slaves. So pathetic, manual for capitalism of slavery .
An upright person should be ashamed of this law from their God. you should be ashamed of such book as your guide through the navigation of your world.

Now, down to verse 16 that you hold tight to.
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. I will boldly stand to say that it clearly contradict verse 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,20 and 21 of the same chapter. That raises another topic of the discrepancies, contradictions and historical error of the Bible which is not for here.[/i]


[b]If anyone is to be sincere to himself at this juncture, we would know that Verse 16 clearly instruct us not to have anything to do with slavery(as those kidnapped are meant for slave trade). And if people are to follow that verse, there wouldn't be need to give law on how to buy, multiply and beat slaves. There shouldn't be non ending list of how to acquire slaves, trade slaves, multiply slaves, abuse girl slaves narrated/commanded in all other verses. That's clear contradiction That's one of the clear contradiction of doctrine in the Bible.I say again and anyone who takes that kind of book as holy is a big time joker.

If you use that Exodus21:16 as what inspired abolitionists to resist slavery(because they mentioned some verses that is soft on slavery in their respective books), Bible said they are liars because He(God) is the one that has laid down to humanity(law on) how to thrive and be successful in slavery industry so for abolitionists to say no to slavery is the action that came from their mind not a book on how to multiply slaves.


, there is infinite number of verses that support the same slavery. If Bible chooses to be contradictory and you choose to take what pleases your doctrine out of it. It doesn't leave the book from supporting what you refused not to choose because they are still there. I still remain on my position. God ordains Slavery, and Abolitionists where driven by their reasoning not Bible.

ok, so your problem with the bible is now contradiction, you never talk wetin dey worry u.
at least u now admit, bible condemned forced slavery. That's a start.

SIRTee15:
I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.
Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

Precisely!

adeniyi65:
You guys have been blindfolded from reasoning outside Bible. That's the fact.

This thread shows we have all reasoned it out and that you people now see that slavery is intertwined with employment and Labour which you need, so you have nothing.

SIRTee15:
calm down, no hard feelings.
dont let your emotions overtake your sense of rationality.
If u see the truth, embrace it.

Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

“ Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.”

This signature always makes me laugh. The guy came to earth to quickly to be a “god who tells stories” in Hollywood.

“Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who made movies.”

adeniyi65:
It's like you didn't read my quote that he quoted. If you can't read the whole of Exodus21, at least read the last two verses the reason why they where destroyed is there. If you say it is because of slave trade. What if another person says it's because they do other legal business. Don't let us continue repeating same thing on that. It is clear as snow, read the last two verses.

My comment was not on Exodus 21 but a response to what Unknown said, which was not on Exodus 21 either.

And Exodus 21 is about stopping the evils which come out from some hunan activities which are not evil per se but can become evil when an evil person does it.

This is where you see examples of crimes that are mala prohibitia compared to those crimes which are clearly evil (mala in se)

You think all crimes eg stealing, fornication, murder, adultery etc exist only in mala in se

But you do not appreciate that there are crimes and evil which originate out of a lawful activity eg slavery arising out of employment like banks not paying those who work for them (employees) by calling them contract staff, all because of there are more workers than jobs. This is a crime under mala prohibtia

SIRTee15:
Whatever terminology U want to use, the word slavery is very much visible in the laws Moses gave to Israelites. We can't deny it. ....

What I am pointing out for you to go and check is for you to appreciate that even before. Jacob (Isreal) was a born, slavery was a business practiced all over the world just like prostitution and polygamy.

So Exodus was the First Law attacking slavery and other evis which the whole world did and regulating Labour and Contractual relationships.

Which is why as an example, it is after Exodus that monogamous marriage began to be on the rise just as agitations against slavery and unjust contracts and wicked labour/employment relations began to be quelled and attacked all over the world. eg The Factory Acts (first one in 1802, then 1833) and the 1823 Master and Servant Act

On March 16, 1792, Denmark became the first country to issue a decree to abolish their transatlantic slave trade from the start of 1803.

So, you see God through Moses in Exodus was the first to attack this world full of wicked people who inslaved others.

KnownUnknown:
Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

Lol! He first of all tried to appeal to your emotions, when that didn't work he went for reverse psychology, so funny and shallow. All to hide the bs he's spouting behind a crumbling facade.

StillDtruth:
The point is that they practiced slave trade in addition to the usual trade which is normally what evil people do and they were destroyed by God for all their evils including slave trading.

So, its a point and that is why the bible told us.

Where did your god destroy slavers?

StillDtruth:
The question is the justification valid?

And the answer is "NO".

Because slavery is intertwined with Employment and Labour which are Lawfull and Necessary therefore leaving the only reasonable option of pursuing and prosecuting those who are in violation of human rights and Labour Rights and Contract.

So in the end all who say the bible permitted slavery speak foolishly and ignorantly.



Slavery is not in the bible (constitution of Isreal) it is Human Rights, Law of war, Labour Law, Law of Contract etc that is there.

That is why everyone is attacking you because you are not perfectly right.

This guy. How long would you continue to play the ostrich?

SIRTee15:
Whatever terminology U want to use, the word slavery is very much visible in the laws Moses gave to Israelites. We can't deny it.
I think U should do more reading on the modality of slavery as described in the old testament.
That's what causing the trouble here. People are extrapolating the definition of modern day slavery to ancient times.
Anyway I will write on that later in the day.

If everyone is attacking me, maybe I'm the one giving them hard time on the propaganda they trying to push here
I already made the 3 bible antagonist here admit that bible spoke against slavery, something they all initially denied.
The issue is now what about about verses for slavery.

We already made it clear kidnapping people and selling them in slave market is immoral. So the trans Atlantic slave trade was evil.

I will write on slavery by choice and war victims in the Torah later on.

Please whats the difference between ancient and modern slavery, like us said?

adeniyi65:
It's like you didn't read my quote that he quoted. If you can't read the whole of Exodus21, at least read the last two verses the reason why they where destroyed is there. If you say it is because of slave trade. What if another person says it's because they do other legal business. Don't let us continue repeating same thing on that. It is clear as snow, read the last two verses.

Obviously you dont haven't interfaced DTruthSpeaker before. He's the sane as StillDtruth, Veecruz, truespeak etc. He doesn't care about facts or logic. He just spouts whatever he wants, wear you out and claim victory at the end: a psychotic

SIRTee15:
I hope know as late as late as early 20th century, it's common practice for employers to flog their workers as part of punishment for wrongdoing. We are not so far removed from the time when physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate.
For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military even up till today. Generals flog junior officers as part of punishment in barracks. Even in NYSC camps, soldiers flog graduates as part of punishment; the more u protest the flogging, the more they wack u with koboko until u become humble. Teachers continue to flog stubborn and disobedient students in schools up till today.
In Nigeria, apprentice are flogged regularly if they displease their Masters and it's considered part of the training. Go to factories in Lagos, Lebanese and Chinese boss beats their employee on regular basis for minor things as coming late to work.

Foreign countries are not exempted. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In Singapore, flogging is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes such as spitting in public.

I dont really understand this your yapping about flogging. U better thank God the privilege u have that you or your children will not go thru flogging in the hands of an employer in this modern time. People get flogged every day all in a bid to put food on the table for their families.

This your noise about a master beating his slaves in ancient times makes no sense, even workers gets flogged in this modern age.

StillDtruth already explained the verse is about God instituting labour laws to ensure abuse is curtailed and excessiveness is punished.
Besides if u beat your slaves into permanent injury, who will then work the field. Is that not a loss to the master himself.

abeg this one na no be talk, na wokeness and trying to sound politically correct they worry u. Live in the real world man.

So whats your point in all these? Are you saying these conditions are slavery, or what?