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FxMasterz:
I have met a woman who told me of a man who told her to.join their church. He told her that everyone who joins them would enter into the kingdom of God.

Just hear yourself!

Someone told a woman that joining his church will make her enter into the Kingdom of God and in your own mind that's preaching for the kingdom of God shey?

Ọmọ start a thread and title it
"What is the Good News of God's kingdom"

I will be there to enlighten you and your friends!

MaxInDHouse:
Just hear yourself!

Someone told a woman that joining his church will make her enter into the Kingdom of God and in your own mind that's preaching for the kingdom of God shey?

Ọmọ start a thread and title it
"What is the Good News of God's kingdom"

I will be there to enlighten you and your friends!

You have nothing to enlighten anyone about. You're as ignorant as your enlightenment.

Demons also preach and that's why there's a Spirit of Discernment in us to differentiate between light and darkness.

We are even asked to try all spirits. Not every spirit that claims to be of God is of God. There's nothing anyone is preaching that demons cannot also preach. They've been in heaven before and know the place more than you do.

Like in that example above, there are many false preachings around. People have entangled themselves in the web of darkness because they were made to believe they were being invited into the Kingdom of God.

You don't even know that the kingdom where you still preach to resurrected ones is not the Kingdom of God but a kingdom preached by demons.

FxMasterz:
You have nothing to enlighten anyone about. You're as ignorant as your enlightenment.

There is well over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so if truly you have the spirit of discernment please mention one that's preaching the kingdom of God and explain why they are unique!

MaxInDHouse:
There is well over 41,000 different religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so if truly you have the spirit of discernment please mention one that's preaching the kingdom of God and explain why they are unique!

You want to enter another debate? Except you're enlightened, I cannot start discussing these things with you.

However, you need to know that any kingdom where they preach to the resurrected ones is actually not the Kingdom of God.

FxMasterz:
You want to enter another debate? Except you're enlightened, I cannot start discussing these things with you.

Ọmọ you don't know anything about Jesus and his message so whenever you see my talking just keep quiet.

Material tithe is no part of Christianity God used it as a system of taxation to help Israelites care for those in service of pure worship, orphans, widows and stranded travelers in ancient Israel {Deuteronomy 14:29} but when the new covenant was established material tithing became obsolete. Hebrews 7:5-12

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you don't know anything about Jesus and his message so whenever you see my talking just keep quiet.

Material tithe is no part of Christianity God used it as a system of taxation to help Israelites care for those in service of pure worship, orphans, widows and stranded travelers in ancient Israel {Deuteronomy 14:29} but when the new covenant was established material tithing became obsolete. Hebrews 7:5-12

Lol. You really are very amusing.

1. Can you tell me explicitly where the scriptures says material tithing is obsolete?

2. The writer of Hebrews discussed MATERIAL TITHING and said Christ receives it in Heaven. Do you mean to say you know better than the Bible?

FxMasterz:
Lol. You really are very amusing.

1. Can you tell me explicitly where the scriptures says material tithing is obsolete?

Hebrews 7:5-12
Ministers in Christ never collected tithe from anyone in the New Testament because they are not commanded by Christ to do so when the Priesthood changed.

FxMasterz:
2. The writer of Hebrews discussed MATERIAL TITHING and said Christ receives it in Heaven. Do you mean to say you know better than the Bible?

Tell us where the scriptures EXPLICITLY said "Christ receives MATERIAL TITHE"

MaxInDHouse:
Hebrews 7:5-12
Ministers in Christ never collected tithe from anyone in the New Testament because they are not commanded by Christ to do so when the Priesthood changed.

1. Kindly quote out that scripture.

2. The ministers can't collect tithe because they themselves were still attending synagogues where they were paying their own tithes.

Tell us where the scriptures EXPLICITLY said "Christ receives MATERIAL TITHE"

Hebrews 7:8

"And here (on earth) mortal men (the Aaronic priesthood) receive tithes (material tithes); but there (at the right hand of God), He receives them (the tithes mentioned above. Same material tithes), of whom it is witnessed that He lives."

FxMasterz:
1. Kindly quote out that scripture.
2. The ministers can't collect tithe because they themselves were still attending synagogues where they were paying their own tithes.
Hebrews 7:8
"And here (on earth) mortal men (the Aaronic priesthood) receive tithes (material tithes); but there (at the right hand of God), He receives them (the tithes mentioned above. Same material tithes), of whom it is witnessed that He lives."

The highlighted shows you love lies!

Jesus never collected material tithes when he was here as human so after he became the High Priest it's not material tithing Paul said Jesus received rather its imperfect humans he is receiving into the most holy temple where we can approach God's throne without animal sacrifices something Israelites can't do in ancient times yet they were paying material tithes only for priests collecting tithes to approach the altar in their behalf.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you love lies!

Jesus never collected material tithes when he was here as human so after he became the High Priest it's not material tithing Paul said Jesus received rather its imperfect humans he is receiving into the most holy temple where we can approach God's throne without animal sacrifices something Israelites can't do in ancient times yet they were paying material tithes only for priests collecting tithes to approach the altar in their behalf.

You simply don't understand English or you deliberately want to peddle lies.

That Scripture in Hebrews said Jesus couldn't receive tithe on earth when He was here because there were men who were already receiving it here on earth. This is the only reason why Jesus didn't receive tithe on earth.

Heb.8.4:

"For if He were on earth, He should not be a Priest, seeing that there are priests (here on earth already) that offer gifts according to the law:"

In Hebrews 7:8, the Bible says men who die receive tithes, but there, He receives them, of whom it is said that He lives. Simple English. Men who die receive tithes here, but He receives them there. It is scripture manipulation to start interpreting "them" as being spiritual when the tithes that were pre-mentioned are physical. The doctrine of spiritual tithe-giving is heresy. There's no such thing as spiritual tithes. Christ receives tithes spiritually but the tithes are are given materially.

Spiritually, we are to give God all our being, time and strength. Not the tenth of them. Render yourself wholly as a burnt sacrifice. No tithing.

FxMasterz:
No tithing.

Case closed!

No tithing!

MaxInDHouse:
Case closed!

No tithing!

Lol.

Na wá for you o.

Why cut off the rest of my post to hammer on the last words without recourse to the context? Is that a sign of good Christianity? Is this how they behave in your 'Kingdom of God'?

FxMasterz:
Lol.
Na wá for you o.
Why cut off the rest of my post to hammer on the last words without recourse to the context? Is that a sign of good Christianity? Is this how they behave in your 'Kingdom of God'?

I'm not here for back and forth arguments it's either there is still material tithing in Christianity or no material tithing!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not here for back and forth arguments it's either there is still material tithing in Christianity or no material tithing!

There's still material tithing. No spiritual tithing.

FxMasterz:
There's still material tithing. No spiritual tithing.

Continue lying to your own soul.

There is no single religion practicing the tithing in ancient Israel today back then they don't bring money it's farm products to be stored in the Tabernacle!

MaxInDHouse:
Continue lying to your own soul.

There is no single religion practicing the tithing in ancient Israel today back then they don't bring money it's farm products to be stored in the Tabernacle!

Did you read that the scriptures say we should bring ALL the tithes? Or you want to pretend? Even back then, it was permissible to convert materials to money in order to give to God.

Exodus 35:5, 20-29, 36:3-7, and 2 Chronicles 24:10.

FxMasterz:
it was permissible to convert materials to money in order to give to God.[/b]

Exodus 35:5, 20-29, 36:3-7, and 2 Chronicles 24:10.

This isn't tithing but VOLUNTARY contribution.

When talking about tithing no matter where you are once you have converted the tithing to money due to distance when you get to the place where you are to pay your tithe it must be converted to farm products again NOT money:

But if the journey should be too long for you and you are not able to carry it to the place that Jehovah your God chooses as the place for his name because it is far away from you (because Jehovah your God will bless you), you may then convert it into money, and with your money in hand, travel to the place that Jehovah your God will choose. You may then spend the money on whatever you desire—cattle, sheep, goats, wine and other alcoholic beverages, and anything you please; and you will eat there before Jehovah your God and rejoice, you and your household. And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you. Deuteronomy 14:24-27

Never was tithe paid in cash!

MaxInDHouse:
This isn't tithing but VOLUNTARY contribution.

When talking about tithing no matter where you are once you have converted the tithing to money due to distance when you get to the place where you are to pay your tithe it must be converted to farm products again NOT money:

But if the journey should be too long for you and you are not able to carry it to the place that Jehovah your God chooses as the place for his name because it is far away from you (because Jehovah your God will bless you), you may then convert it into money, and with your money in hand, travel to the place that Jehovah your God will choose. You may then spend the money on whatever you desire—cattle, sheep, goats, wine and other alcoholic beverages, and anything you please; and you will eat there before Jehovah your God and rejoice, you and your household. And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you. Deuteronomy 14:24-27

Never was tithe paid in cash!

That's for those whose incomes are in kind. Those are farmers. Those who are not farmers and whose incomes are in cash would pay cash. And since the economy today is a cash economy, cash is paid as tithe. Bring the tithe of EVERYTHING. So, if what you have is cash, it is still part of EVERYTHING.

FxMasterz:
That's for those whose incomes are in kind. Those are farmers. Those who are not farmers and whose incomes are in cash would pay cash.

So tell me what any Israelite does back then apart from FARMING?

MaxInDHouse:
So tell me what any Israelite does back then apart from FARMING?

Tell me what they would have brought if they were salary earners?

FxMasterz:
Tell me what they would have brought if they were salary earners?

God COMMANDED tithes based on what He shared to the tribes of Israel not salary that's why each Israelites must used the inheritance God gave them {Deuteronomy 10:9} which wasn't given to Levites as means of resources to pay tithe {Deuteronomy 14:29 it's due to this inheritance not given to Levites that God told the other tribes that they are ROBBING Him! Malachi 3:9
So tithe wasn't for salary earners that's why it's strictly farm products!

MaxInDHouse:
God COMMANDED tithes based on what He shared to the tribes of Israel not salary that's why each Israelites must used the inheritance God gave them {Deuteronomy 10:9} which wasn't given to Levites as means of resources to pay tithe {Deuteronomy 14:29 it's due to this inheritance not given to Levites that God told the other tribes that they are ROBBING Him! Malachi 3:9
So tithe wasn't for salary earners that's why it's strictly farm products!

So, those who earn wages are not receiving from God?

Can you prove to me that gifts and tithes were paid in kind in the New Testament? Especially during the earthly era of Christ and His disciples?

FxMasterz:
So, those who earn wages are not receiving from God?

They have the right to say "NO" to any God since they never knew any God directly unlike the God of Israel who introduced Himself to the Israelites with a mighty hand by delivering them from slavery and acquiring possessions which they don't deserve for them.
This God has the right to make demands from them since He gave them what they can use as resources that's why He mandated they pay or they are ROBBING Him. Malachi 3:9

FxMasterz:
Can you prove to me that gifts and tithes were paid in kind in the New Testament? Especially during the earthly era of Christ and His disciples?

Ọmọ stop jumping from pillar to post gifts are voluntary but tithe is mandatory that's where the two differ!

MaxInDHouse:
They have the right to say "NO" to any God since they never knew any God directly unlike the God of Israel who introduced Himself to the Israelites with a mighty hand by delivering them from slavery and acquiring possessions which they don't deserve for them.
This God has the right to make demands from them since He gave them what they can use as resources that's why He mandated they pay or they are ROBBING Him. Malachi 3:9

Ọmọ stop jumping from pillar to post gifts are voluntary but tithe is mandatory that's where the two differ!

Are you aware that wages were earned in Israel in New Testament times? Can you prove to me that they gave gifts and tithes in kind and not in cash?

FxMasterz:
Are you aware that wages were earned in Israel in New Testament times? Can you prove to me that they gave gifts and tithes in kind and not in cash?

In the New Testament the tithing arrangement has become meaningless because they were no longer in charge of the land God gave them rather a pagan nation (Rome) has become their ruler so it's this pagan nation that was demanding TAX from them just as they does over all other nations under the same colony that's why paying or collecting tithe in Jesus' day became difficult and obsolete.
But as for gifts which is not mandatory they can bring or give it to anyone as their hearts move them.
So when Christianity was commissioned it was practiced without tithing because disciples are practicing Christianity not by force but out of love for God and neighbors and since it was to be taken to all other places Christians only pay their TAXES which was forcefully collected by authority they only give whatever they have to support the Kingdom work.

MaxInDHouse:
In the New Testament the tithing arrangement has become meaningless because they were no longer in charge of the land God gave them rather a pagan nation (Rome) has become their ruler so it's this pagan nation that was demanding TAX from them just as they does over all other nations under the same colony that's why paying or collecting tithe in Jesus' day became difficult and obsolete.
But as for gifts which is not mandatory they can bring or give it to anyone as their hearts move them.
So when Christianity was commissioned it was practiced without tithing because disciples are practicing Christianity not by force but out of love for God and neighbors and since it was to be taken to all other places Christians only pay their TAXES which was forcefully collected by authority they only give whatever they have to support the Kingdom work.

Do you know that the Maa'sa (Tithe) is still being practiced in Israel today! Though not compulsory, some of them take it very religiously. How then do you think it was not practiced in Jesus's day. Jesus accused them of paying tithes which according to Him was good, but they neglected justice and equity.

"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."

FxMasterz:
Do you know that the Maa'sa (Tithe) is still being practiced in Israel today! Though not compulsory, some of them take it very religiously. How then do you think it was not practiced in Jesus's day. Jesus accused them of paying tithes which according to Him was good, but they neglected justice and equity.
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."

Temple worship and it's tithing arrangement became USELESS at the moment Christ began his ministry. God told Moses regarding Israel:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

John the baptist served as the last Israelite prophet whose work will usher in the era of the Christ {Malachi 4:5} Jesus told his disciples that John the baptist is lesser than the least in his kingdom {Matthew 11:11-12} John made it clear to his own disciples that his work will begin to decrease while that of the Christ will continue to increase {John 3:30} Jesus told the Samaritan lady at Jacob's well that Jerusalem Temple worship will no longer matter because true worshipers will do so in spirit and truth {John 4:24} this means that whatever the Jews are practicing inside that temple has become invalid if they don't discontinue the form of worship they're practicing in that temple and embrace Christianity where animal sacrifices and burning of incense will not be required for pure worship.
When the Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth both Jerusalem, it's temple and all worship done inside becomes a curse {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why God gave them a sign after Jesus' last breath {John 19:30} as he finished the last work to establish the New Covenant! Matthew 27:51
So whatever the Jews are doing in Jerusalem or inside their temple after the establishment of Christianity has nothing to do with the true God anymore!

MaxInDHouse:
Temple worship and it's tithing arrangement became USELESS at the moment Christ began his ministry. God told Moses regarding Israel:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

John the baptist served as the last Israelite prophet whose work will usher in the era of the Christ {Malachi 4:5} Jesus told his disciples that John the baptist is lesser than the least in his kingdom {Matthew 11:11-12} John made it clear to his own disciples that his work will begin to decrease while that of the Christ will continue to increase {John 3:30} Jesus told the Samaritan lady at Jacob's well that Jerusalem Temple worship will no longer matter because true worshipers will do so in spirit and truth {John 4:24} this means that whatever the Jews are practicing inside that temple has become invalid if they don't discontinue the form of worship they're practicing in that temple and embrace Christianity where animal sacrifices and burning of incense will not be required for pure worship.
When the Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth both Jerusalem, it's temple and all worship done inside becomes a curse {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why God gave them a sign after Jesus' last breath {John 19:30} as he finished the last work to establish the New Covenant! Matthew 27:51
So whatever the Jews are doing in Jerusalem or inside their temple after the establishment of Christianity has nothing to do with the true God anymore!

Why do you like ignoring scriptures to hang on to whatever is on your mind? This is not good for soul my friend.

You first said they didn't practice tithing in Jesus' days. Now that you have been shown the scriptures that disprove your words, you should honorably agree that you erred.

Tithing isn't part of the law. It's not among the 10 commandments. It's an ordinance of life. It works for both believers and unbelievers. If you honour God with your tenth, God will bless you. It is not mandatory but it still works today as it did in old times, and would continue to work until the world comes to a close.

FxMasterz:
Why do you like ignoring scriptures to hang on to whatever is on your mind? This is not good for soul my friend. You first said they didn't practice tithing in Jesus' days. Now that you have been shown the scriptures that disprove your words, you should honorably agree that you erred.

You misunderstood me, i never said Israelites don't practice tithing in Jesus' day rather true worshipers no longer practice it as they now follow the teachings of Christ Jesus who was driven out of the temple.

FxMasterz:
Tithing isn't part of the law. It's not among the 10 commandments. It's an ordinance of life. It works for both believers and unbelievers. If you honour God with your tenth, God will bless you. It is not mandatory but it still works today as it did in old times, and would continue to work until the world comes to a close.

The commandments are over 600 God only wrote ten on stone tablets with his fingers to prove the laws are from Him. So all those laws were given to the Israelites and Jesus said all hangs on two laws: love for God and love for neighbors! Mark 12:27-31

MaxInDHouse:
You misunderstood me, i never said Israelites don't practice tithing in Jesus' day rather true worshipers no longer practice it as they now follow the teachings of Christ Jesus who was driven out of the temple.

The commandments are over 600 God only wrote ten on stone tablets with his fingers to prove the laws are from Him. So all those laws were given to the Israelites and Jesus said all hangs on two laws: love for God and love for neighbors! Mark 12:27-31

Tithing is simply a demonstration of love for God with your finances. God blesses you in return.

FxMasterz:
Tithing is simply a demonstration of love for God with your finances. God blesses you in return.

NO!
It's a system of taxation God introduced to an independent nation under His rulership but after they lost their independence it became obsolete among true worshipers.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
It's a system of taxation God introduced to an independent nation under His rulership but after they lost their independence it became obsolete among true worshipers.

Smiling.

No, it wasn't. If it was, the Bible would state it expressly. It would have stopped at the time of the kings. The kings imposed taxes. God didn't. God doesn't tax people. He never did. Tithing was for the purpose of the Church, and as long as Churches exist, so does tithing. Even when the Romans ruled Judea, tithing was still a regular practice as I showed you in a previous scripture.