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Emusan:
I've PROVIDED SCRIPTURE to back my point.
If you still find it difficult to understand isn't my problem

Your head isn't correct, so how does Matthew 10:28 that's about a Man with a physical body the same as some mythical Spirit returning to heaven for judgement?

Spirit of man is a person because the SPIRIT KNOWS THOUGHT.

Provide how an inanimate object can have the ability to know THOUGHT.
Until your delusion is clear on that.

Nothing from heaven ENTER ANY WOMAN DURING PREGNANCY.

OPONU.

of course , and That means nothing return to any God in heaven after death?

Ani seh you don't have sense. You frauds will be exposed. I'm glad you are at least seeing the bullshit you peddled

CAPTIVATOR:
Finally, the Liar has been exposed.

Thank God you know you're the liar here.

So you now agreed Jesus doesn't know the day and hour?

The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You agreed that TO KNOW means the info is already at the Father's REACH.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

You keep dodging that question.

Let's talk about whether he choose or not later , thankfully you use " might" , don't worry ,you will cry soon on that

When he knows his lying mouth has been exposed.

So, GOD CAN DECIDED NOT TO KNOW SOMETHING like in the case of Abraham but He God still KNOWS ALL THINGS

CAPTIVATOR:
Your head isn't correct, so how does Matthew 10:28 that's about a Man with a physical body the same as some mythical Spirit returning to heaven for judgement?

Oponu oshi....

Matt 10:28 is how God has the FINAL SAY on the dead person.

Get that into your dull skull

of course , and That means nothing return to any God in heaven after death?

The spirit of man returned to God and the spirit of man is a person.

Both scriptural supported so far.

Ani seh you don't have sense. You frauds will be exposed. I'm glad you are at least seeing the bullshit you peddled

Sense must be knocked into that your empty skull.

Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

Oponu

Sand2022:
The JW do not believe in total omniscient like the church do.

If God doesn't know anything at any time and even if no one else knows, that nullifies His omniscience. Omniscient doesn't mean ability to know, but overall knowledge of everything both in the past, present and future. So if the JW view is that God doesn't know that Adam will sin, then God is not omniscient.

Point of correction. Jesus didn't say he cannot know, mind you. Cannot would refer to ability to know. That is not what Jesus says. He said no one knows, including him, so as at that time, that is true. You can't say that even now, Jesus doesn't know.

Of course Jesus was in his humanity. Trinitarians view his humanity as a bit of limitation to his divine essence. So this point isn't actually kicking against Trinity doctrine. You would need to make a criticism that takes note of what someone actually teaches. Not what he doesn't.

Back to the point. Jesus never said he cannot know. After his resurrection notice that Jesus told his apostles that it does not belong to THEM to know the date that the father has kept in his own JURISDICTION. So that is the role of His father to set the date. That is a role. Trinitarian agree that there can be distinction within the Godhead and that there are distinct roles.

First by Jesus saying it does not belong to "THEM" to know neither did he say it does not belong to US including himself, this could mean that at this time Jesus now knows, but he doesn't want to share that knowledge to THEM. He didn't now say "no one knows except the Father".

Please do not look down on roles within the Godhead or jurisdictions. For eg, one can speak against God and Jesus and be forgiven, but you don't dare speak against the holy spirit. You won't be forgiven that sin, either now nor even in the new system of things. Does that mean that the Holy Spirit is now greater than Jesus and God the father? It is simply roles and jurisdictions. And don't make it also sound as if the role occupied by the Holy Spirit is superior to that of the father and Son.

Jesus said who will sit in his left and right is his father to give. It doesn't mean that Jesus can't chose who will be there, but that is His father's jurisdiction.

You ask me to show you how others know what God chose not to know.

Didn't you see my reference to Sodom? People like Lot started lamenting about the badness of the area. Meaning that Lot and his family were the ones complainng about the errors of the Sodomites, then God said He would go down to investigate whether the complaint He had heard is true. I am just paraphrasing here.

So those who are making the complain already knows they were bad. When God investigated, did He not agree that their sin was indeed too bad as people complained?

I am telling you JW position on this subject. Bear that in mind.




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Omniscient means one who knows all in the past, present and future. From JW view, God is not at least completely omniscient. So if Jesus is not completely omniscient, it doesn't affect his Godship from JW perspective.

Thank you for the highlighted. I'm glad we finally agree Jesus doesn't know the day and hour .

You said his humanity limited him, but you are very blind to the Fact that he mentioned angels, did humanity also limit the angels ? That nullify your point.

Now For your information , Jesus cannot " Choose" not to know , the same way the angel's, humans mentioned in that text didn't choose. Do we choose ? No. That bible verse is a pure testament to the Fact that only the Father has the Authority to set time and seasons.

Emusan:
Thank God you know you're the liar here.
The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You agreed that TO KNOW means the info is already at the Father's REACH.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

You keep dodging that question.
When he knows his lying mouth has been exposed.

So, GOD CAN DECIDED NOT TO KNOW SOMETHING like in the case of Abraham but He God still KNOWS ALL THINGS

You are not escaping this , just wait ...

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know first?

Emusan:
Oponu oshi....

Matt 10:28 is how God has the FINAL SAY on the dead person.

Get that into your dull skull

You are still joking.

First, Do dead people go to heaven with Physical body as mentioned in Matthew 10:28?

The spirit of man returned to God and the spirit of man is a person.

Both scriptural supported so far.
Sense must be knocked into that your empty skull.

Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

Oponu

" RETURN "

In English you only return to where you have been before, if nothing enter a pregnant woman from heaven, that means nothing return to God. You can only Return to where you have previously been. If spirit return to heaven , it means it come from there.

Use your sense.... If it's a person, it means a person came from heaven into the womb.

CAPTIVATOR:
You are not escaping this , just wait ...

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know first?

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture only a lying liar will deny the scrioture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

CAPTIVATOR:
You are still joking.

First, Do dead people go to heaven with Physical body as mentioned in Matthew 10:28?

The joke is on your empty skull.

Matt 10:28 is about God having the final say over dead person.

Not all dead BODY BURIED below 6feet

" RETURN "

In English you only return to where you have been before, if nothing enter a pregnant woman from heaven, that means nothing return to God. You can only Return to where you have previously been. If spirit return to heaven , it means it come from there.

Use your sense.... If it's a person, it means a person came from heaven into the womb.

Answer my question oponu.


Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

Emusan:
"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture only a lying liar will deny the scrioture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

Only the Father already proved Jesus doesn't know. The Son doesn't know.

And you said here

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as admitted above ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Only the Father already proved Jesus doesn't know. The Son doesn't know.

And you said here

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as admitted above ?

This is written in a plain English.

You can give a pupil around you for more explanation is you find it hard to comprehend.

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture.

Only a lying liar will deny the scripture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

Emusan:
The joke is on your empty skull.

Matt 10:28 is about God having the final say over dead person.

Not all dead BODY BURIED below 6feet

I don laugh tire

That dead person wey return to heaven get physical body ??

Answer my question oponu.
Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

You already said nothing enters the woman's womb from heaven during pregnancy, that means nothing return to heaven as well. Clap for yourself

Emusan:
This is written in a plain English.
You can give a pupil around you for more explanation is you find it hard to comprehend.

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture.

That Only the Father is why Jesus doesn't know. If Jesus know, it means it's not only the Father that knows

Only a lying liar will deny the scripture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

The day and hour | Matt 24:36


" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as you admitted above ?

CAPTIVATOR:
I don laugh tire

That dead person wey return to heaven get physical body ??

Beating around the bush....

You already said nothing enters the woman's womb from heaven during pregnancy, that means nothing return to heaven as well. Clap for yourself

Answer my question first oponu.

CAPTIVATOR:
That Only the Father is why Jesus doesn't know. If Jesus know, it means it's not only the Father that knows

The day and hour | Matt 24:36

The point still remains JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Evidence from the scripture

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as you admitted above ?

The more you dodge this question the more it shows you are afraid of your own lies

I've been asking you this question long time before now.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

Emusan:
The point still remains JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Evidence from the scripture



The more you dodge this question the more it shows you are afraid of your own lies

I've been asking you this question long time before now.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

Captivating question.

Emusan:
Spirit being with PHYSICALITY again haba...

or you mean the actual FORM of Jehovah.

Whichever way
You understand what I meant


By the way
Do you now agree with the issue of Tithe or you're still left in the dark?

Aemmyjah:
Whichever way
You understand what I meant

You still want to be pride in your error.

Is their anything PHYSICALITY about spirit being in the first place?

Now, if you mean FORM, I take it to mean God can't be described by human in anyway. Is that correct?

By the way
Do you now agree with the issue of Tithe or you're still left in the dark?

Which Title are you talking about or where did you and I ever discussed about Title that you WANT ME TO AGREE WITH ISSUE OF TITHE I didn't know anything about?

Emusan:
You still want to be pride in your error.

Is their anything PHYSICALITY about spirit being in the first place?

Now, if you mean FORM, I take it to mean God can't be described by human in anyway. Is that correct?



Which Title are you talking about or where did you and I ever discussed about Title that you WANT ME TO AGREE WITH ISSUE OF TITHE I didn't know anything about?

Well, I believe God is a spirit and not related to matter or physical substance

The word physicality is used to refer to his person or wholesomeness

Is he formless like a wind?

Aemmyjah:
Well, I believe God is a spirit and not related to matter or physical substance

Good which means using the word PHYSICALITY is wrong.

Very simple...just admit and move on.

The word physicality is used to refer to his person or wholesomeness

Nothing like PHYSICAL with spirit being, that is why TAKING FORM OF PHYSICAL BEING ALWAYS USE whenever they revealed themselves to human

Is he formless like a wind?

No one can say specifically.

Even though Jesus Christ liken those born of spirit with WIND!

That is a testament

Emusan:
Good which means using the word PHYSICALITY is wrong.

Very simple...just admit and move on.



Nothing like PHYSICAL with spirit being, that is why TAKING FORM OF PHYSICAL BEING ALWAYS USE whenever they revealed themselves to human



No one can say specifically.

Even though Jesus Christ liken those born of spirit with WIND!

That is a testament

Is spirit a person?
Is God formless?

CAPTIVATOR:
Thank you for the highlighted. I'm glad we finally agree Jesus doesn't know the day and hour

That is consistent with what the Bible says. He does not know just as Jehovah's witnesses teach with regards to the Sodomites. You teach that Jehovah only knew when he came down to observe. So from JW view, you can no longer use this issue of knowledge against Jesus. If God doesn't know certain things at least for sometime, how then would you expect Jesus to know certain things all the time?

You said his humanity limited him, but you are very blind to the Fact that he mentioned angels, did humanity also limit the angels ? That nullify your point.

Not if you understand the Trinity doctrine which it appears you do not even understand. Jesus has the same essence as God, the angels do not possess this essence.

Now For your information , Jesus cannot " Choose" not to know , the same way the angel's, humans mentioned in that text didn't choose. Do we choose ? No. That bible verse is a pure testament to the Fact that only the Father has the Authority to set time and seasons.

No. You don't equate Jesus with humans and angels in his full divinity. I made this point above:

"Back to the point. Jesus never said he cannot know. After his resurrection notice that Jesus told his apostles that it does not belong to THEM(you) to know the date that the father has kept in his own JURISDICTION. So that is the role of His father to set the date. That is a role. Trinitarian agree that there can be distinction within the Godhead and that there are distinct roles.

First by Jesus saying it does not belong to "THEM" to know neither did he say it does not belong to US including himself, this could mean that at this time Jesus now knows, but he doesn't want to share that knowledge to THEM. He didn't now say "no one knows except the Father".

Jesus didn't say CANNOT. I mean how will he come to judge the world and destroy the wicked if he cannot know when the end will come? Is he not the one that will be bringing it to end?

Aemmyjah:
Is spirit a person?

Capital YES!

Another drama about person is about to start

Is God formless?

About FORMLESSS I take it to mean SHAPE in this context and the answer is YES as well!

Emusan:
Capital YES!

Another drama about person is about to start



About FORMLESSS I take it to mean SHAPE in this context and the answer is YES as well!

Is God formless or indistinct . For example, energy and wind.

God is a spirit and a person (being)
Angels are spirits and persons (being)
Jesus is a spirit (being)
God's spirit (holy Spirit) which emanates from God is not a person (being)

Aemmyjah:
Is God formless or indistinct . For example, energy and wind.

The issue you are having is thinking there is ANYTHING in this physical world that can be used to DESCRIBED who God is.

You're the one who came up with that Amorphous thing which means "without a definite SHAPE or FORM" but now still asking if God is FORMLESS OR INDISTINCT.

So what is your point exactly?

God is a spirit and a person (being)
Angels are spirits and persons (being)
Jesus is a spirit (being)
God's spirit (holy Spirit) which emanates from God is not a person (being)

Smile......

Holy Spirit who among all of them have the word SPIRIT to His name is not a PERSON just because you're brainwashed with that.

Not when the scripture gave every description of Holy Spirit exactly as how A PERSON SHOULD BE OR IDENTIFIED.

So what makes Angels PERSON that Holy Spirit didn't possess?

Don't dodge my question oooo

[quote author=Aemmyjah post=132296796][/quote]This OP is wasting your time and you're giving him undue attention, if he wants to take his stand with trinitarians no one is holding him back so staging you with trinitarians for some useless arguments is unwarranted!

MaxInDHouse:
This OP is wasting your time and you're giving him undue attention, if he wants to take his stand with trinitarians no one is holding him back so staging you with trinitarians for some useless arguments is unwarranted!

Always giving advice but never take his own advice.

Why did you sneak into this thread again after you already say goodbye?

Emusan:
The issue you are having is thinking there is ANYTHING in this physical world that can be used to DESCRIBED who God is.

You're the one who came up with that Amorphous thing which means "without a definite SHAPE or FORM" but now still asking if God is FORMLESS OR INDISTINCT.

So what is your point exactly?



Smile......

Holy Spirit who among all of them have the word SPIRIT to His name is not a PERSON just because you're brainwashed with that.

Not when the scripture gave every description of Holy Spirit exactly as how A PERSON SHOULD BE OR IDENTIFIED.

So what makes Angels PERSON that Holy Spirit didn't possess?

Don't dodge my question oooo

it's funny, according to girlie aemmy:
God is a spirit, a being
Angels are spirits, are beings
Jesus is a spirit, a being
but the Holy Spirit (Who fellowships with believers) is not a being, (is not a fellow)

God is Spirit, yet false jw says; "God's Spirit (Holy Spirit)" is not a being

they are queer as can be

false jw's:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Emusan:
The issue you are having is thinking there is ANYTHING in this physical world that can be used to DESCRIBED who God is.

You're the one who came up with that Amorphous thing which means "without a definite SHAPE or FORM" but now still asking if God is FORMLESS OR INDISTINCT.

So what is your point exactly?



Smile......

Holy Spirit who among all of them have the word SPIRIT to His name is not a PERSON just because you're brainwashed with that.

Not when the scripture gave every description of Holy Spirit exactly as how A PERSON SHOULD BE OR IDENTIFIED.

So what makes Angels PERSON that Holy Spirit didn't possess?

Don't dodge my question oooo

I used a figure of speech
Simple understanding would have eased your continue nonsense argument

Emusan:
Capital YES!

Another drama about person is about to start



About FORMLESSS I take it to mean SHAPE in this context and the answer is YES as well!

God is 'shapeless'?

Emusan:
Good which means using the word PHYSICALITY is wrong.

Very simple...just admit and move on.



Nothing like PHYSICAL with spirit being, that is why TAKING FORM OF PHYSICAL BEING ALWAYS USE whenever they revealed themselves to human



No one can say specifically.

Even though Jesus Christ liken those born of spirit with WIND!

That is a testament

Lol
Born again Christians are like wind?
What about saying his followers are light of the world?

Aemmyjah:
I used a figure of speech
Simple understanding would have eased your continue nonsense argument

So in essence, you mean God has HANDS, HEAD, LEGS e.t.c like we human or some animals?