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Kobojunkie:
Abeg, carry this your didinrin nonsense enter gutter somewhere o'jare! Religio-political scammer!

Lol... Your logic has been exposed as foolish and this is your next best reply... Bro, the richest people in those churches are not the pastors. Understand that and have peace.

Wasn't Wigwe just a member before he died? Which RCCG pastor or GO was richer than him? Lol

Una be clown weh need help. Lol

Winnin009:
■ Na today you know say the average black man isn't true to himself... How can he be true to his God. God cannot be fooled bro. Nigerians that haven't loved their neighbor as themselves, na them wan face God with all sincerity and indeed fellowship with an open heart... Bro, being a christain goes beyond going to church and look around you, na church goers we get... And moreso, my pastor or pastors that I listen to have never for once attributed anything to themselves... pray for spirit of discernment.

None of what you said changes the facts which is that Nigeria is the best example of how religion is nothing but a scam. By, the way, you still have yet to answer. Which God? Which lord? Which spirit? There are at least over 4000 deities out there, at least 40 of them local to Nigeria. So, which one?

Winnin009:
■ Lol... Your logic has been exposed as foolish and this is your next best reply... Bro, the richest people in those churches are not the pastors. Understand that and have peace. Wasn't Wigwe just a member before he died? Which RCCG pastor or GO was richer than him? Lol Una be clown weh need help. Lol

Wigwe who was one of the church's business partners in the sense that he arranged loans for the church while it in turn arranged customers and steady funds for his bank and other enterprises in return is the example you put forward? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
None of what you said changes the facts which is that Nigeria is the best example of how religion is nothing but a scam. By, the way, you still have yet to answer. Which God? Which lord? Which spirit? There are at least over 4000 deities out there, at least 40 of them local to Nigeria. So, which one?

Your questions are now beer parlor questions. I'm talking about Christianity and you're asking which God, which lord... are you slow? Lol.

You must be slow.

plus if you think its a scam; good for you. It's not my job to convince you otherwise... I mean, people also say school is a scam... so what do I know.

mrvitalis:
There are two things I find funny about Christians n most religious people in general

1) if Heaven is better than earth n you are sure of going to heaven why pray for long life?

2) you are sure of heavenly rewards but yet struggle to get wordly goodies that are nothing compared to heavens own

me self I confused oo

jayce232:
Stop being delusional pls & think like a reasonable human for once! Even with the number of churches all over the country, our nation is one of the most corrupt all over the world??

And na the church cause corruption? Lol... How does that even correlate with the happenings in the church. Now you'll say with all the churches, our leaders refuse to do the right thing.

Smh. You've lost angles to attack from, it's now to blame the woes of the country on the church... soon you'll blame it for your impotence.

nwakibie3:
All these people venting their frustration simply because someone gave bishop a gift with his money oo, the church and Bishop oyedepo are not the cause of your frustration. Go and hold your leaders you voted for accountable.

shut up your mouth oga, that's how you guys support evil in the name of Christianity.
Let's call a spare a spare

adenigga:
Source: https://dailytrust.com/Bishops-musn’t-die-of-hunger-Adeboye-defends-Rolls-Royce-gift-to-Oyedepo

What an irresponsible idiot of a pastor
He goes franchising church all over the globe with this doctrine? Who are the people paying tithe to this man?

Given the opportunity, he will do more damage steal more money than all Nigerian Governors put together. He is a disgrace to the body of Christ and to Christianity

Winnin009:
Lol... You're quoting one verse like that's all you can say while I've given you plenty other references when God is clearly not against having wealth... Bro, people still say Solomon is one of the wealthiest people to have ever lived... was he serving satan when he was bestowed with enormous wealth?

You're just a clown that needs justification to hate on wealth in the house of the Lord. Na still people like you go say where their God if christians are living in penury.

Titus 2:12
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.

I can produce more than 10 verses on the Bible stands on wealth, which is very simple & clear! Say no to worldly lust, i don't understand how a Christian will be accumulating worldly possessions & yet talking about heaven? How deceitful does that sound?? What wealth did Christ accumulate while on earth?? Even when Satan offered to give him the whole world, he refused, but your pastors are striving to get the whole world? Buying private jets that end up covered in dusts? Yet they have poor members in their churches struggling to feed? Like I said, u can only deceive yourself.

Kobojunkieee:
Likely more than 85% of those Adeboye refers there to as his children will never see or experience riches in their life, not because of criticism from social media, but majorly because RCCG miracles will never get around to meet the individual desires of the vast majority of their members. There are only so many government contracts/connections these scammers-in-the-lords can hand out sheeple. Sadly, those members unable to make large donations to the church regularly, are bound to be passed over when one becomes available.

Now, if we investigate the source of the money used to purchase the Roll Royce that Oyedepo was gifted, the chances are above 99.99% that we go find say na corruption money dem use to buy those gifts for am. Oyedepo is surely aware of even this but does it matter? Of course not! Money and material wealth are indicators as far as the blessing of their church gods.

Tax collectors entertained Jesus in the home. This doesn't mean he supported corruption or worldly systems. He used the opportunity to tell them the truth.

As for the rolls royce and riches, I don't support pastor getting rich from church money. church money is not their personal piggy bank.

jaxxy:
■ Tax collectors entertained Jesus in the home. This doesn't mean he supported corruption or worldly systems. He used the opportunity to tell them the truth.
■ As for the rolls royce and riches, I don't support pastor getting rich from church money. church money is not their personal piggy bank.

Sigh! You lot only focus your major attention on the meaningless things and never really on that which matters as far as Jesus Christ is concerned.

Jesus Christ who also said He was sent by His Father only to the Lost sheep of Israel had his focus on the blood descendants of Jacob regardless of whether they were tax collectors, Pharisees, prostitutes, etc.— all that did not matter at all as the only issue of importance was that they were of the bloodline of Jacob. Jesus Christ did not go searching for or into the homes of the Romans since His father did not send him to the Romans or the Canaanites.

2. It does not matter whether you support them or not in your mind, as the major point here is that the entire religion of Christianity is a scam in and of itself. It has nothing to do with the God of Israel or Jesus Christ.

SlavaUkraini:
And where exactly did he INSIST ON a super expensive car for himself ?

Make Una dey lie small small...

You may not like someone, but you don't have to lie on thier head

Rolls Royce!

flyinnizam:
ok pastor Slave

You fit address your classmates ?

Kobojunkieee:
Sigh! You lot only focus your major attention on the meaningless things and never really on that which matters as far as Jesus Christ is concerned.

Jesus Christ who also said He was sent by His Father only to the Lost sheep of Israel had his focus on the blood descendants of Jacob regardless of whether they were tax collectors, Pharisees, prostitutes, etc.— all that did not matter at all as the only issue of importance was that they were of the bloodline of Jacob. Jesus Christ did not go searching for or into the homes of the Romans since His father did not send him to the Romans or the Canaanites.

2. It does not matter whether you support them or not in your mind, as the major point here is that the entire religion of Christianity is a scam in and of itself. It has nothing to do with the God of Israel or Jesus Christ.

Jesus was sent to the Jews doesn't mean he didn't care for or meet with non Jews who believed in him.

infact he was rejected by his own people and embraced more by strangers who didn't know him.

2. Church system is a man made system so can be corrupted. its has its positives and negatives. The Church however is the believers and quite different from the man made system.

jaxxy:
■ Jesus was sent to the Jews doesn't mean he didn't care for or meet with non Jews who believed in him.
infact he was rejected by his own people and embraced more by strangers who didn't know him.
■ Church system is a man made system so can be corrupted. its has its positives and negatives. The Church however is the believers and quite different from the man made system.

1. Again, Jesus Christ was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel — literal descendants of Jacob. That the dogs — non-Israelites— were allowed to eat of the crumbs that fell off the master's table DOES NOT mean that Jesus Christ belonged also to them or that they too could partake in the mercy of David passed ONLY to the Israelites through Jesus Christ.

2. Your "church system" which was established by the same ones who Jesus Christ warned would only trample that which is Holy — the Gospel which is God's Law in the Kingdom of God—, the dogs aka non-Israelites. So, it invariably has absolutely no connection to Jesus Christ. And what your "church system" pretends is the gospel of Jesus Christ is instead a trashed-&-trampled version that pretends to be the original.

By their fruit you shall know the preachers that rep Lord Jesus lifestyle on earth and how they apply God's resources to care for His flocks.
SHAME ON NAIJA FLAMBOYANT PREACHERS WHO SHOW OFF AMIDST DEPLORABLE MASSIVE POVERTY IN THEIR MIDST.
SHAME on you are you defend your shame and lack of exemplery lifestyle that is promoting desperations and financial manipulations among christians!

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Jesus Christ was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel — literal descendants of Jacob. That the dogs — non-Israelites— were allowed to eat of the crumbs that fell off the master's table DOES NOT mean that Jesus Christ belonged also to them or that they too could partake in the mercy of David passed ONLY to the Israelites through Jesus Christ.

2. Your "church system" which was established by the same ones who Jesus Christ warned would only trample that which is Holy — the Gospel which is God's Law in the Kingdom of God— aka the dogs or non-Israelites. So, it invariably has absolutely no connection to Jesus Christ. And what your "church system" pretends is the gospel of Jesus Christ is instead a trashed-&-trampled version that pretends to be the original.

No u are wrong. Jesus asked his disciples to speak of him to the whole world untill they believe on him. Nobody is a dog or non islraelite after Jesus came to reconcile the wholecworld to God not just Jews..

2. The church systems isn't much different from the synagogues system that operated b4 Jesus came. it man made but operates In similar fashion just with a different message.

Kobojunkie:
Someone talk say Religion is a scam, you come dey bash am say something about Islamic forum.... you dey alright for head at all?

By their fruits we shall know them......I don't answer people who easily detect people that are not alright, don't ask me why...

mrvitalis:
There are two things I find funny about Christians n most religious people in general

1) if Heaven is better than earth n you are sure of going to heaven why pray for long life?

2) you are sure of heavenly rewards but yet struggle to get wordly goodies that are nothing compared to heavens own

We're you placed on ban b4?

jaxxy:
■ No u are wrong. Jesus asked his disciples to speak of him to the whole world untill they believe on him. ■ Nobody is a dog or non islraelite after Jesus came to reconcile the wholecworld to God not just Jews..
■The church systems isn't much different from the synagogues system that operated b4 Jesus came. it man made but operates In similar fashion just with a different message.

1. This is what is instead contained in the Gospel. Jesus Christ sent His disciples into the world to teach His Gospel to all Nations. That same Gospel He told them could only be given to those who are of the blood of Israel; this the very same Gospel He warned should not be given to those who are not of the blood of Jacob — non-Israelites.

2. So, you are invariably declaring that Jesus Christ was a liar, right?

3. Jesus Christ condemned the religious establishments of his time; He went into the synagogues to call the people out to serve God instead. He even went into the Temple to destroy the idols that had been set up there by the people. In John, there is a report that some of those people wanted to have him pushed off a cliff for saying the things that He did. So, why in the world would you think your church systems would or could be connected to a man who is recorded to have been against them?

ArcSEMPECJ:
■ By their fruits we shall know them......I don't answer people who easily detect people that are not alright, don't ask me why...

Abeg, carry your own brain damage enter gutter somewhere.

Kobojunkie:
Abeg, carry your own brain damage enter gutter somewhere.

Happy you acknowledged your brian is damaged that's why you were able to detect another damaged brian in error....lols

Find someone to take you out of that gutter abeg ..not good for your health...

descarado:
We're you placed on ban b4?

Yes ooh

Kobojunkie:
Wigwe who was one of the church's business partners in the sense that he arranged loans for the church while it in turn arranged customers and steady funds for his bank and other enterprises in return is the example you put forward? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

mugu, was he a pastor? no dey talk from the side of your mouth. Was he a pastor in the church? Or a member the church partnered with to facilitate loans on behalf of the church?

I'll put it to you that there are men still richer than Herbert in that church that are just members or church workers at best... You guys really think wealthy people don't go to church abi? Lol... Several heads of conglomerates are regular members in several churches... na you never get the update.

Winnin009:
■ mugu, was he a pastor? no dey talk from the side of your mouth. Was he a pastor in the church? Or a member the church partnered with to facilitate loans on behalf of the church?
I'll put it to you that there are men still richer than Herbert in that church that are just members or church workers at best... You guys really think wealthy people don't go to church abi? Lol... Several heads of conglomerates are regular members in several churches... na you never get the update.

Kai! You people are just plain wicked! See how this one immediately took to brushing to the side the fact that Wigwe was essentially a beneficiary of the church scam since he was after all their money man.

I go to church like max of twice in a month.
I do online service for the rest of the month.

I'm also saving money for fuel and resting more now with the above decision.

I now only give offerings if and when I want to

I don't tithe again. Tithed last more than 15yrs ago

My self and family have on some occasions helped members of the church in need directly apart from people living around us.

I now believe and practice what Jesus said:

"I was hungry, you fed me
I was naked, you clothed me
I was homeless, you housed me

For as many as those you did all these to for my sake, you've done it for me."

What broke the camel's back was when the pastor of my church (currently building an auditorium) said he has contributed the most in the building of the church which to me means "It's my church and I built it"

The above is what it would become few years after its completed. The same format was used by Oyedepo and his likes, now he's using it.

jayce232:
Titus 2:12
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.

I can produce more than 10 verses on the Bible stands on wealth, which is very simple & clear! Say no to worldly lust, i don't understand how a Christian will be accumulating worldly possessions & yet talking about heaven? How deceitful does that sound?? What wealth did Christ accumulate while on earth?? Even when Satan offered to give him the whole world, he refused, but your pastors are striving to get the whole world? Buying private jets that end up covered in dusts? Yet they have poor members in their churches struggling to feed? Like I said, u can only deceive yourself.

bro, don't be dumb... it says worldly passions not possessions... it encompasses alot of things... Don't bother, you have no idea what you're talking about.. It will be one failed attempt after another.

If you indeed have any understanding of how His vineyard works, you'll understand that Jesus didn't come to live here like you are... he came to die for you... If you must know, Jesus had the best of things.. His dad wasn't poor and could even send him to study when others couldn't. If Jesus was to live on earth, I can tell you for free that he would have all his needs met in the excess...

Why do you think Satan offered riches? Lol... You no sabi anything.

Kobojunkie:
1. This is what is instead contained in the Gospel. Jesus Christ sent His disciples into the world to teach His Gospel to all Nations. That same Gospel He told them could only be given to those who are of the blood of Israel; this the very same Gospel He warned should not be given to those who are not of the blood of Jacob — non-Israelites.

2. So, you are invariably declaring that Jesus Christ was a liar, right?

3. Jesus Christ condemned the religious establishments of his time; He went into the synagogues to call the people out to serve God instead. He even went into the Temple to destroy the idols that had been set up there by the people. In John, there is a report that some of those people wanted to have him pushed off a cliff for saying the things that He did. So, why in the world would you think your church systems would or could be connected to a man who is recorded to have been against them?

1. I am telling u what Jesus himself said just b4 he left. Share about him to the world not only the Jews.

2. The synagogue system is similar to the church system which I said I man made and prone to corrupt practice. I also said the church system is different from the church which is the body of believers of christ.

I hope u understand me now??

eagleu:
The Bible said "it's difficult or almost impossible for a rich man to go to Heaven ", right?
Why is this man who should be saving souls insisting on a super expensive car for himself?

He is talking about pastors dieing of hunger as if living a comfortable decent life and caring for the needy with the surplus pastors get is a taboo for them. I don't understand how nigerian pastors are comfortable living luxurious lifestyles in the midst of extreme poverty? It ought to be a sin for them to be displaying extreme wealth in the poverty capital of the world.

Winnin009:
bro, don't be dumb... it says worldly passions not possessions... it encompasses alot of things... Don't bother, you have no idea what you're talking about.. It will be one failed attempt after another.

Worldly passions doesn't include worldly possessions?? You are very f00lish & I honestly regret wasting my time on a dunce like u. Below is the definition of worldly passion. I didn't bother to read the rest of the nonsense u wrote.

"They are things like prominent and preeminent desires to be rich, foolish and harmful desires, taking advantage of weaker people, impulsivity, various lusts, malice, envy, hate, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life."

jayce232:
Worldly passions doesn't include worldly possessions?? You are very f00lish & I honestly regret wasting my time on a dunce like u. Below is the definition of worldly passion. I didn't bother to read the rest of the nonsense u wrote.

"They are things like prominent and preeminent desires to be rich, foolish and harmful desires, taking advantage of weaker people, impulsivity, various lusts, malice, envy, hate, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life."

Dummy... I'm sure you saw where I wrote it encompasses a lot of things... And now to further remove you from ignorance ehn, that passion now, if referring to wealth, it's referring to your love for it... The bible already told you that the love of money is wrong... It never told you that striving to get it was wrong... Now that love of money is part of the worldly passions; not you going go get money...

A man that cannot provide for his family is worse than an infidel.. how does a man want to provide without money? Or did you think that everyone that followed Christ back then was poor? Jesus was invited to the houses of several rich people that believed im his teachings during his time for one reason or the other.

You can choose to die poor if you want but don't rope christians into it... He promised to grant our heart desires and fill our land with abundance... Like I said, you don't know what you talking about. Just stop!

Kobojunkie:
Kai! You people are just plain wicked! See how this one immediately took to brushing to the side the fact that Wigwe was essentially a beneficiary of the church scam since he was after all their money man.

Lol... Clearly you're one of those beer parlor talk guys. Sorry I engaged you.