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Ken4Christ:
God didn't go to Satan. Read the encounter below;

Job 1:6-12
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and SATAN CAME ALSO AMONG THEM.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. note

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. note

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. SO SATAN WENT FORTH FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.

Verse 6 says, 'SATAN CAME ALSO AMONG THEM'.
While verse 12 said, 'SO SATAN WENT FORTH FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD'.

So, let's agree on this first before I go further to debunk your other claims.

Whether he came to Satan or Satan came to him, you know the point we made. Stop dancing around it

jaephoenix:
Dont be ridiculous. Many people still believe in Santa Claus.
So please answer my question

What is his significance in Christianity?

Aemmyjah:
What is his significance in Christianity?

Just ask him where Santa Claus is mentioned in the Scriptures!

jaephoenix:
Whether he came to Satan or Satan came to him, you know the point we made. Stop dancing around it

You are the one who doesn't understand spiritual principles.

jaephoenix:
WTF DID I JUST READ?
1. What do you mean the communication language changed? Be explicit
2. So satan is the god of this world and not Yahweh again? I hopes your fellow Christians won't stone you for this heresy. So Yahweh created Satan, gave him power, and lost control over him?
Btw, wasn't is Yahweh that actually told Satan to attack Job? It was clearly written there he taunted Satan to attack Job
3. Which fear? The verse you quoted said that Job was afraid of the future. This is the complete verse
"… have no peace, no quietness;
I have no rest, but only turmoil"

So stop twisting the story to suit your narrative

When I say communication language, I mean the manner and ways men of old understand things that affects the way they narrate their stories. Under the Old Testament, everything that happens, good or bad is assumed to come from God. This is why Job said, 'the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh, blessed be the name of the Lord "

You see how his belief affected his communication.

Concerning Satan being the god of this world, it's true. The scripture affirms it:

1st Corinthians 4:4.
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Our Lord Jesus called him the prince of this world thrice:

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Satan got the legal right to rule this world when Adam committed high treason against God. And Jesus came as the last Adam to take it back.

Satan has been defeated but not yet dethroned.

jaephoenix:
1. What does the highlighted mean? You have started this… gibberish
2. Every Bible translation EXCEPT your own says Yahweh hardened Pharaoh's mind. By the way, where did your sect translate your Bible from? Also what exactly did your translation say?
3. The difference is this. The slaves advocated in your Bible were abducted from their homes, often beaten, made to work against their will, cannot decide to become free, are not paid etc. Can my maid, cook decide to stop work? Yes. Are they paid ?Yes. Can I beat them without going to prison for assault? Yes. Are soldiers paid? Yes. Were they forced to become soldiers? No
See, all this dancing around you guys are doing, won't help your cause. Even the blind can see u r out of your depth in this one
4. There are many verses of hellfire in the Bible. You can twist it all you want, but its there
5. Science says that the universe and life came by chance, and by evolution. And there are evidences which I have given you several times

1. Is there any similarities with tormenting someone and when the person perish? You're very short sighted in your thinking

2. Are you really sure every translation is saying it or the common ones? That Jehovah would harden Pharaoh heart whilst asking Noses to tell him to release the Israelites is very inconsistent with the scriptures

3. 😂. Go and read about slaves in oriental times. Even slaves had slaves and slaves were released every 7th year

4. Hellfire like Santa like Karma like purgatory like trinity like Christmas all come from philosophies

5. Like your brain came by evolution and chance.
Bible says God made 2 genders or sexes but modern science no longer agrees
Bible help us see that animals and plants reproduce according to their kinds but evolution teaches others
Bible teaches that life comes from life (Biogenesis). Evolution teaches abiogenesis
I am very scientific as I go for proved science

Aemmyjah:
1. Is there any similarities with tormenting someone and when the person perish? You're very short sighted in your thinking

2. Are you really sure every translation is saying it or the common ones? That Jehovah would harden Pharaoh heart whilst asking Noses to tell him to release the Israelites is very inconsistent with the scriptures

3. 😂. Go and read about slaves in oriental times. Even slaves had slaves and slaves were released every 7th year

4. Hellfire like Santa like Karma like purgatory like trinity like Christmas all come from philosophies

5. Like your brain came by evolution and chance.
Bible says God made 2 genders or sexes but modern science no longer agrees
Bible help us see that animals and plants reproduce according to their kinds but evolution teaches others
Bible teaches that life comes from life (Biogenesis). Evolution teaches abiogenesis
I am very scientific as I go for proved science

1.There is no difference between the two options, so why did you present them as if they are different?
2.
Lemme show you, so you would shut up.


[b]Bible > Exodus > Chapter 9 > Verse 12
◄ Exodus 9:12 ►

New International Version
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

New Living Translation
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and just as the LORD had predicted to Moses, Pharaoh refused to listen.

English Standard Version
But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Berean Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

King James Bible
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

New King James Version
But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

New American Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

NASB 1995
And the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

NASB 1977
And the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Legacy Standard Bible
And Yahweh hardened Pharaoh’s heart with strength, and he did not listen to them, just as Yahweh had spoken to Moses.

Amplified Bible
But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen or pay attention to them, just as the LORD had told Moses.

Christian Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had told Moses.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had told Moses.

American Standard Version
And Jehovah hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them, as Jehovah had spoken unto Moses.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And LORD JEHOVAH hardened the heart of Pharaoh and he did not listen to them, as LORD JEHOVAH had said to Moshe.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And the Lord hardened Pharao's heart, and he hearkened not to them, as the Lord appointed.

Contemporary English Version
Everything happened just as the LORD had told Moses--he made the king too stubborn to listen to Moses and Aaron.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the Lord hardened Pharao's heart, and he hearkened not unto them, as the Lord had spoken to Moses.

English Revised Version
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But the LORD made Pharaoh stubborn, so he wouldn't listen to Moses and Aaron, as the LORD had predicted to Moses.

Good News Translation
But the LORD made the king stubborn and, just as the LORD had said, the king would not listen to Moses and Aaron.

International Standard Version
The LORD made Pharaoh's heart stubborn so that he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had told Moses.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Literal Standard Version
And YHWH strengthens the heart of Pharaoh, and he has not listened to them, as YHWH has spoken to Moses.

Majority Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

New American Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

NET Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had predicted to Moses.

New Revised Standard Version
But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

New Heart English Bible
The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Webster's Bible Translation
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not to them; as the LORD had spoke to Moses.

World English Bible
Yahweh hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he didn’t listen to them, as Yahweh had spoken to Moses.

Young's Literal Translation
And Jehovah strengtheneth the heart of Pharaoh, and he hath not hearkened unto them, as Jehovah hath spoken unto Moses.

Additional Translations ...
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How many versions did you see here? About thirty something, all saying the same thing. Did you see anything different? No. So shut that your mouth

3. Nice attempt at muddying the water. You said soldiers, nannies, drivers are slaves. How are they slaves? Stop trying to dodge questions

4. Again, poor attempt at muddying the water. Stop dodging questions.
Hell is in the Bible

5. Actually the human brain evolved. It is common knowledge. Our ancestors brain is not like ours both in anatomy and physiology.
And I have drummed into your skull that there are intersexes which are neither males nor females. I guess your Bible doesn't know about them.
Science teaches plants give rise to plants etc.
At this point, I have to declare you are not a biologist, never mind an environmental biologist. Because I cannot fathom how you don't know the basic ideas of biology which is evolution, and how evolution works. I wont refer to you as a biologist again. You are a born liar and fraud

Ken4Christ:
When I say communication language, I mean the manner and ways men of old understand things that affects the way they narrate their stories. Under the Old Testament, everything that happens, good or bad is assumed to come from God. This is why Job said, 'the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh, blessed be the name of the Lord "

You see how his belief affected his communication.

Concerning Satan being the god of this world, it's true. The scripture affirms it:

1st Corinthians 4:4.
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Our Lord Jesus called him the prince of this world thrice:

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Satan got the legal right to rule this world when Adam committed high treason against God. And Jesus came as the last Adam to take it back.

Satan has been defeated but not yet dethroned.

Its stated as Prince of this world, not god.
Btw, you answered one question and dodged the rest. Nice try

jaephoenix:
Its stated as Prince of this world, not god.
Btw, you answered one question and dodged the rest. Nice try

But 2nd Corinthians 4:4 calls him the god of this world. I am sure you read it.

Ken4Christ:
But 2nd Corinthians 4:4 calls him the god of this world. I am sure you read it.

Psalm 47:7 ►
For God is the King of all the earth; sing to him a psalm of praise.
So who should I believe?

MaxInDHouse:
I really appreciate your honesty.

That's why i always quote that verse whenever i come in contact with anyone who claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% certain that most people don't really do a thorough investigation they just summed up after hearing some things from different sects claiming Christians and base their conclusion on what those people say.

The Bible God is the one and only true God but since you don't want to investigate further let me tell you how i come to that conclusion.

All humans were born atheists as in we don't know nor believe in any God at birth that's why the Bible said the child in his mother's womb is also a sinner {Psalms 51:5} so it's after we begin to grow up that each person starts to make his or her INVESTIGATIONS on:
• How did life begin?
• Why do innocent people suffer?
• Did God really care about us?
• If He does what is He doing to solve our problems?
• If everyone wants peace why wars everywhere?
• What is God's viewpoint of wars?

Whoever hasn't made INVESTIGATIONS on this topics is just deceiving himself!

So what is your answers to those questions

erniok:
So how does it make him a christian terrorist if not the newspaper and your poor attempt to stereotype. Did he confess he killed in the name of christ like extremist muslims do in the name of Allah? Why didn't you call him a grieving terrorist since the report also pointed out he was grieving.

When Muslims blow up people, did you get to ask if they killed in the name of Allah?

MaxInDHouse:
Your aggression makes you unfit for honest discussions.

This is how i started engaging richmond:


From his comment i see the sincerity so i decide to take him up even though he said a lot of irritating things but i kept on being friendly with him because i have seen something different in him.

So try to do your INVESTIGATIONS it's wrong always accusing people when you don't even know what really happened. It's richmond who first mentioned me and not the other way around!

Who did I accuse?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure of what you just typed or you're talking about my engagement with someone else?

Well these are sincere comments from people who have engaged me in the past:

















But still i am ever ready if you won't become aggressive with your responses!

And I should take their words above my own experience? Wonderful

jaephoenix:
When Muslims blow up people, did you get to ask if they killed in the name of Allah?

Most do. They mostly shout: allah akbar before the evil act.

jaephoenix:
Psalm 47:7 ►
For God is the King of all the earth; sing to him a psalm of praise.
So who should I believe?

They are both correct.

In a moral sense, God is still the King of the earth. But in a legal sense, Satan is the god of this present world. But that would change very soon. As it is written:

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS CHRIST; and he shall reign for ever and eve

Ken4Christ:
They are both correct.

In a moral sense, God is still the King of the earth. But in a legal sense, Satan is the god of this present world. But that would change very soon. As it is written:

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS CHRIST; and he shall reign for ever and eve

Whats the difference between the moral and legal sense?

erniok:
Most do. They mostly shout: allah akbar before the evil act.

I hope you know Muslims say that its not all that shout Allah is great that are muslims. Same way you christians believe its not all that say Lord Lord are Christians

jaephoenix:
I hope you know Muslims say that its not all that shout Allah is great that are muslims. Same way you christians believe its not all that say Lord Lord are Christians

The key word is most. What are we arguing again please?
Also, I'm curious to know how you came to this conclusion about Christian's.

Ken4Christ:
But 2nd Corinthians 4:4 calls him the god of this world. I am sure you read it.

So its no more yahweh that is the god?

erniok:
The key word is most. What are we arguing again please?
Also, I'm curious to know how you came to this conclusion about Christian's.

You said because someone is a Christian and a terrorist, the terrorism is not caused by being a Christian

jaephoenix:
You said because someone is a Christian and a terrorist, the terrorism is not caused by being a Christian

No, I said in that particular case, none of his actions pointed him out as a "christian terrorist" likethe article title if you had taken your time to read it. Why didn't they call him a grieving terrorist since they said he lost his loved one.

On the other hand, most terrorist who are muslims claim they do it because of their faith and this is a fact.

I noticed you didn't bother to satisfy curiosity. Any reason for that?

Lemos14:
This is the third time you are quoting me. It must be really paining you. For someone who doesn’t believe in God I don’t know why you disturb me for proof. Despite ignoring you.

Lol 😆 this is funny
You posited that there is proof of your god, when prompted for proof, you're now spewing rubbish.
Next time don't say what you don't know. Get out!

erniok:
No, I said in that particular case, none of his actions pointed him out as a "christian terrorist" likethe article title if you had taken your time to read it. Why didn't they call him a grieving terrorist since they said he lost his loved one.

On the other hand, most terrorist who are muslims claim they do it because of their faith and this is a fact.

I noticed you didn't bother to satisfy curiosity. Any reason for that?

Have you heard of the Army of God? Please google it. They claim to have been sent by god. Check other Christian terrorists and their mandates

jaephoenix:
Have you heard of the Army of God? Please google it. They claim to have been sent by god. Check other Christian terrorists and their mandates

Apart from wikipedia, which never delved into their ideology, no other website did any better write up on the army of god. I'd like to have your references to their ideology site since you said they claimed to be fighting for god. I'd love so much to know which god.

This is like the lord's resistance army that most call a Christian terrorist group who practice spiritism. I wonder how that is linked to the christian faith.

Kindly provide your references as info about them is scanty. Regards.

erniok:
Apart from wikipedia, which never delved into their ideology, no other website did any better write up on the army of god. I'd like to have your references to their ideology site since you said they claimed to be fighting for god. I'd love so much to know which god.

This is like the lord's resistance army that most call a Christian terrorist group who practice spiritism. I wonder how that is linked to the christian faith.

Kindly provide your references as info about them is scanty. Regards.

Thank you.
The wiki page literally showed the Army of god flag, held by a pastor named Donald Spitz. This is his page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Spitz
On the flag is a bible passage of Proverbs. What other reference to Christianity do you need?
Lord Resistance Army is a known Christian terrorist group. I don't know what you mean by they practice spiritism

jaephoenix:
Thank you.
The wiki page literally showed the Army of god flag, held by a pastor named Donald Spitz. This is his page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Spitz
On the flag is a bible passage of Proverbs. What other reference to Christianity do you need?
Lord Resistance Army is a known Christian terrorist group. I don't know what you mean by they practice spiritism

In research, there must be sincerity. The LRA ideology is to protect the acholi tribe in Uganda. The Holy Spirit movement that inspired Kony is led by Alice who said the "holy spirit" is an acholi spirit that speaks to her, if this is not spiritism, then tell me what is.
Any man can claim "holy spirit" told him to do things but you must know the character of the Holy Spirit to either agree or disagree with such fellow.

Paul talked about those that have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. In this category you find folks like Donald Spitz. People pull pages of the scripture to dedraud others. In this light, would we then say all believers are fraudsters?

I tell muslims especially those in northern nigeria that because his name is samuel doesn't make him a christian as they believe. Heck the fellow might be an atheist. The Lord Jesus said by their fruits, you shall know them.

NeoWanZaeed:
This is 21 century. computer age. Information age. And yet, you can't use that to find out the truth.


Well,let me sum it up for you. All Religion worship human being turned into god EXCEPT ISLAM.

ALLAH is not human nor having anything in common with any of his creations

You be mumu
Is Allah different from Zeus??
God?
Olodumare?
Chineke?
Chinto?
Brahma etc 😲😳

erniok:
In research, there must be sincerity. The LRA ideology is to protect the acholi tribe in Uganda. The Holy Spirit movement that inspired Kony is led by Alice who said the "holy spirit" is an acholi spirit that speaks to her, if this is not spiritism, then tell me what is.
Any man can claim "holy spirit" told him to do things but you must know the character of the Holy Spirit to either agree or disagree with such fellow.

Paul talked about those that have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. In this category you find folks like Donald Spitz. People pull pages of the scripture to dedraud others. In this light, would we then say all believers are fraudsters?

I tell muslims especially those in northern nigeria that because his name is samuel doesn't make him a christian as they believe. Heck the fellow might be an atheist. The Lord Jesus said by their fruits, you shall know them.

In the light of your post, do you believe Hezbollah, Isis, Boko Haram etc are Muslim terrorists?

jaephoenix:
In the light of your post, do you believe Hezbollah, Isis, Boko Haram etc are Muslim terrorists?

Ideology of each organisation is what I'd live to read. You never provided me with that of army of God. Just a Donald Spitz wiki page who is neither the leader nor founder.

In the light of the above, it would be totally wrong to lump them together and ask the question. Hezbollah and Hamas may be terrorists to state of israel but I won't tag them a muslim terrorist organisations.

ISIS and BH are muslim terrorist organisations. They claim to fight on Allah's behalf, target those who are not muslims or who do not practice their idea of Islam.