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CanadaOrBust:
It's not only essential, it is much easier. But it's NOT indecision, it is a matter of being TRUTHFUL and stating how things REALLY are instead of going for simplicity and expediency. Jesus Christ is God, the Son of God but NOT God the Father. It complicates things but it is the TRUTH!

Could you explain your understanding of the Trinity so I can identify where my confusion might be occurring?

CanadaOrBust:
Other religions are NOT praying to God of OT and saying whoever else they're praying to is His son or part of Him.
You can't say GOD OF OT exists and is interested in human affairs and answers prayers and at same time say Lord Jesus is NOT worthy of worship AS HIM OR PART OF HIM!!! If after 2000 years He hasn't stopped it, it's either he's NOT interested in human worship and affairs or He doesn't exist or no longer exists or exists but is powerless!

Everything you're saying feels crammed together, making it hard to follow. I'm having trouble understanding your point, and it's starting to overwhelm me.

Petalss:
Could you explain your understanding of the Trinity so I can identify where my confusion might be occurring?

Three persons of one God that are all fully God

Petalss:
Everything you're saying feels crammed together, making it hard to follow. I'm having trouble understanding your point, and it's starting to overwhelm me.

Very simple: you can't believe God of OT is interested in human affairs and worship and someone else is being wrongly worshipped as him or part of him and he hasn't done anything about it for 2000 years. It's either he's not interested, no longer exists, or exists but is powerless

MaxInDHouse:
Have any of these men been able to do the will of God? Matthew 7:21-23
NO!
So what makes you think they understood the Bible's message?
God's will is what matters not reading the Bible alone or studying it {2Timothy 3:7} to you these people are Bible scholars but they don't know God's will which disqualifies them from being exemplary teachers of God's word.

What's all this will this and will that. Seems you have forgotten what the discussion is about.
You wrote : "the understanding of Bible scholars many centuries ago shouldn't determine what we believe today because we have now discovered they are wrong with most of their conclusions!"

I simply pointed out to you that it is most scholars of TODAY who say the Bible says the universe was created 6000 years ago, and I gave you some of their names

CanadaOrBust:
You are trying to challenge a conclusion reached by people who were much wiser than you and who spent their lives studying the Bible.
They gathered at Nicene and prayed for divine guidance to reach the right conclusion. After debate of several days they came out with the conclusion that Jesus was God or made of same "substance".

They may be wiser than you not me! And your claim that they spent their life studying the Bible is erroneous (I don't want to use false)! How old was the Bible then at Nicene? It was a political debate which was ratified by Emperor Constantine according to his whims!

If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture? The first New Testament was codified and canonized by the heretic Marcion who believed that the Jewish YHWH was not the true God, the first time the largest Christian Church sanctioned a New Testament was during the Synod of Hippo in 393 CE, some 360+ years after Jesus.

Worship is when you direct all that adoration towards someone you believe is God.
Titus 2:13: Paul refers to Jesus as "our great God and Savior"

Paul didn't meet Jesus in real time so this is out of it.

Hebrews 1:8: God the Father refers to Jesus as God

The writer of Hebrew is unknown or at best attributed to Paul who never met Jesus!

 

John 20:28: Thomas the disciple calls Jesus "my Lord and my God"

He did not worship Jesus according to the context of that verse! He was surprised to see him! 

 

Revelation 22:13: The Apostle John calls Jesus the "Alpha and Omega" and the "first and the last"

Someone calling another by such name does not translates to Jesus! Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) was called by a few of Allah's name yet he is a man appointed by Allah as a Messenger and never god!

James 2:1: Jesus' half-brother James calls him "the Lord of glory"

There's no capital in Greek that the New Testament was written in. "Anyone appointed by god can be a lord of Glory!"

 

1 Peter 3:15: The Apostle Peter calls on believers to "honor Christ the Lord as holy"

No Capital "L" in Greek!

Jesus is also described as having the attributes of deity, including being everywhere-present and knowing what folks were thinking

He was asked of the hour yet he does not know it. And many times he did prayed to another God! I have never seen a God praying to another God except in the Bible!

If you believe God is involved in human affairs, why would God allow worship of Christ all this while and always getting stronger?

God will fill the disbelievers to hell! Hell needs crowd as well as Paradise! Even all humans ever created can fit into hell!

Lord Jesus obviously was NOT including Himself

Was Jesus not born of a woman? How was he excluded?

CanadaOrBust:
Respectfully, you are not making sense. Once again, are you saying that God is not all good and therefore allows these things to happen OR are you saying that God is not really all powerful and cannot prevent them
happening OR are you saying that God is not involved in human affairs?

God is able to do all things!
And only the things He wants to happen happens!

The destruction of Job's family, Property and health happened by God's leave!

I think i am making sense but you are incapable of understanding me yet!

CanadaOrBust:
Very simple: you can't believe God of OT is interested in human affairs and worship and someone else is being wrongly worshipped as him or part of him and he hasn't done anything about it for 2000 years. It's either he's not interested, no longer exists, or exists but is powerless

To be honest, I still don't get it. Don't worry, maybe the other guy honesttalk21 would get it. Probably, I might understand the point you're driving at from his response.

AntiChristian:
They may be wiser than you not me! And your claim that they spent their life studying the Bible is erroneous (I don't want to use false)! How old was the Bible then at Nicene? It was a political debate which was ratified by Emperor Constantine according to his whims!

If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture? The first New Testament was codified and canonized by the heretic Marcion who believed that the Jewish YHWH was not the true God, the first time the largest Christian Church sanctioned a New Testament was during the Synod of Hippo in 393 CE, some 360+ years after Jesus.

Paul didn't meet Jesus in real time so this is out of it.

The writer of Hebrew is unknown or at best attributed to Paul who never met Jesus!

  He did not worship Jesus according to the context of that verse! He was surprised to see him! 

  Someone calling another by such name does not translates to Jesus! Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) was called by a few of Allah's name yet he is a man appointed by Allah as a Messenger and never god!

There's no capital in Greek that the New Testament was written in. "Anyone appointed by god can be a lord of Glory!"

  No Capital "L" in Greek!

He was asked of the hour yet he does not know it. And many times he did prayed to another God! I have never seen a God praying to another God except in the Bible!

God will fill the disbelievers to hell! Hell needs crowd as well as Paradise! Even all humans ever created can fit into hell!

Was Jesus not born of a woman? How was he excluded?

It is funny you can't see the obvious contradiction in what you're saying
You can't say GOD OF OT exists and is interested in human affairs and answers prayers and at same time say Lord Jesus is NOT worthy of worship AS HIM OR PART OF HIM!!! If after 2000 years He hasn't stopped it, it's either he's NOT interested in human worship and affairs or He doesn't exist or no longer exists or exists but is powerless!
Also God could come to earth for ANY reason, any reason at all.

CanadaOrBust:
It is funny you can't see the obvious contradiction in what you're saying
You can't say GOD OF OT exists and is interested in human affairs and answers prayers and at same time say Lord Jesus is NOT worthy of worship AS HIM OR PART OF HIM!!! If after 2000 years He hasn't stopped it, it's either he's NOT interested in human worship and affairs or He doesn't exist or no longer exists or exists but is powerless!
Also God could come to earth for ANY reason, any reason at all.

It's okay for you select whatever part of my response you wish to respond to!
God would never stop it. That's why he sent revelation for us to follow! Whoever follows the instructions will be in Paradise and whoever disobeys will be in hell!

My own understanding of God is that His dimension is far above this world!

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi (footstool) extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.]

If God's Footstool could extend over the heavens and the Earth, then how great will the throne be! Then how great will the One above the throne be! Subhanallah!

CanadaOrBust:
What's all this will this and will that. Seems you have forgotten what the discussion is about.
You wrote : "the understanding of Bible scholars many centuries ago shouldn't determine what we believe today because we have now discovered they are wrong with most of their conclusions!"

I simply pointed out to you that it is most scholars of TODAY who say the Bible says the universe was created 6000 years ago, and I gave you some of their names

First of all from your own point of view what quantifies someone to be a Scholar of the Scriptures?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all from your own point of view what quantifies someone to be a Scholar of the Scriptures?

Someone went to school for it, spends most of their time on it, and makes their living from it

AntiChristian:
It's okay for you select whatever part of my response you wish to respond to!
God would never stop it. That's why he sent revelation for us to follow! Whoever follows the instructions will be in Paradise and whoever disobeys will be in hell!

My own understanding of God is that His dimension is far above this world!

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi (footstool) extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.]

If God's Footstool could extend over the heavens and the Earth, then how great will the throne be! Then how great will the One above the throne be! Subhanallah!

My friend it's either God of the OT is interested in human affairs and worship or he is not. If he is, and he is not powerless, he won't let another be wrongfully worshipped as him.or part of him for 2000 years and do nothing

CanadaOrBust:
Someone went to school for it, spends most of their time on it, and makes their living from it.

Will you like to know what the Bible says about real scholars of the scriptures or you want to continue with what people think?

MaxInDHouse:
Will you like to know what the Bible says about real scholars of the scriptures or you want to continue with what people think?

It's an open, unrestricted, anonymous forum

CanadaOrBust:
Funny you can't see the obvious contradiction in what you're saying
You can't say GOD OF OT exists and is interested in human affairs and answers prayers and at same time say Lord Jesus is NOT worthy of worship AS HIM OR PART OF HIM!!! If after 2000 years He hasn't stopped it, it's either he's NOT interested in human worship and affairs or He doesn't exist or no longer exists or exists but is powerless!
Also God could come to earth for ANY reason NOT just for first hand knowledge.

The issue is the way you look at what you make a problem.

In the first place are you differentiating God at the time of the old testament, from the new testament and presently? Or are you driving at a non existence of God? May God forbid.

Do you think Allah that God created is without purpose and limit of existence? If God had no purpose for his creation why then did he send guidance and enable provision?

God is one and requires no partner nor does he need to conceive. Would he not have clearly stated this?

Perhaps you need to understand what the Jews mean by God as father and what God means by begetting in his reference to Israel.

The concept of God in Jewish theology as father carries deep significance and symbolism. The term father is used to describe God's nurturing, protective, and caring nature towards his people. It represents a loving and compassionate relationship between God and his followers, much like the relationship between a parent and child but it's not exactly as this.

The time for existence is at God's leave but mankind is often anxious.

CanadaOrBust:
It's an open, unrestricted, anonymous forum

This is what God's word said about a real Bible scholar:
Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers. But his delight is in the law of Jehovah, And he reads His law in an undertone day and night. He will be like a tree planted by streams of water, A tree that produces fruit in its season, The foliage of which does not wither. And everything he does will succeed. The wicked are not like that; They are like the chaff that the wind blows away. That is why the wicked will not remain standing in the judgment; Nor will sinners remain standing in the assembly of the righteous. For Jehovah is aware of the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalms 1:1-6

The highlighted in blue is what you need to pay more attention to, it say the scholar will not sit with scoffers and his delight is in God's laws which he reads in an undertone day and night he will produce fruit at the right season and whatever he does will succeed.
That's why i asked you if these so called Bible scholars are doing God's will because Jesus said that's the only reason why God will give anyone everlasting blessings {Matthew 7:21-23} note that whoever is not doing God's will definitely doesn't understand the scriptures because nobody wants to loose in whatever he does.
So what is God's will?
Anyone can pick up the Bible and start reading but knowing God's will is not just reading the Bible to make claims for others to notice you rather you must assemble with God's people and join them in doing what God requires.
In the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 we read:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.

The highlighted in green is what no human can successfully achieve without the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word because the Bible reveals that it's what they found in the scriptures that helped this group to form one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers which Jesus earnestly prayed for {John 17:22} so the question again are these people unitedly doing what God promised that His true worshipers will achieve in the last days?

CanadaOrBust:
My friend it's either God of the OT is interested in human affairs and worship or he is not. If he is, and he is not powerless, he won't let another be wrongfully worshipped as him.or part of him for 2000 years and do nothing

People have worshipped other Gods in the old testament and what happened to them?

In the Old Testament, people who didn't follow God suffered one or more of the following fate:
1- God will cause them to be murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.
2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.
3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.
4- Cannibalism! (Deuteronomy 28:53)
5- God will send diseases to the people!
6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

God is interested in human affairs but that would not make Him become a man and enter into His creation!
Even if you claim you are a Christian then i should ask you why God allowed about 70% of the world population to be Non-Christians?

honesttalk21:
The issue is the way you look at what you make a problem.

In the first place are you differentiating God at the time of the old testament, from the new testament and presently? Or are you driving at a non existence of God? May God forbid.

Do you think Allah that God created is without purpose and limit of existence? If God had no purpose for his creation why then did he send guidance and enable provision?

God is one and requires no partner nor does he need to conceive. Would he not have clearly stated this?

Perhaps you need to understand what the Jews mean by God as father and what God means by begetting in his reference to Israel.

The concept of God in Jewish theology as father carries deep significance and symbolism. The term father is used to describe God's nurturing, protective, and caring nature towards his people. It represents a loving and compassionate relationship between God and his followers, much like the relationship between a parent and child but it's not exactly as this.

The time for existence is at God's leave but mankind is often anxious.

All this na wash. I'm not differentiating anything.
Simple: if someone is being wrongly worshipped as you or part of you, you'd stop it. The only reasons you won't stop it is 1) he's really part of you and you’re ok with it OR 2) you don't care OR 3) You are powerless to stop it

AntiChristian:
People have worshipped other Gods in the old testament and what happened to them?

In the Old Testament, people who didn't follow God suffered one or more of the following fate:
1- God will cause them to be murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.
2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.
3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.
4- Cannibalism! (Deuteronomy 28:53)
5- God will send diseases to the people!
6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

God is interested in human affairs but that would not make Him become a man and enter into His creation!
Even if you claim you are a Christian then i should ask you why God allowed about 70% of the world population to be Non-Christians?

Other religions were NOT worshipping someone else as Jewish God of OT and saying whoever else they were worshipping was His son or part of Him.

You can't say GOD OF OT exists and is interested in human affairs and answers prayers and at same time say Lord Jesus is NOT worthy of worship AS HIM OR PART OF HIM!!! If after 2000 years He hasn't stopped it, it's either he's NOT interested in human worship and affairs or He doesn't exist or no longer exists or exists but is powerless to stop it!
The most reasonable answer is that he's truly worthy of worship as him or part of him

AntiChristian:
People have worshipped other Gods in the old testament and what happened to them?

In the Old Testament, people who didn't follow God suffered one or more of the following fate:
1- God will cause them to be murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.
2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.
3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.
4- Cannibalism! (Deuteronomy 28:53)
5- God will send diseases to the people!
6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

God is interested in human affairs but that would not make Him become a man and enter into His creation!
Even if you claim you are a Christian then i should ask you why God allowed about 70% of the world population to be Non-Christians?

Sorry to interrupt.

This is a great misconception!
God never said this to anyone because they don't know Him it's unjust to punish people for what they don't know.
As for Israelites the God of their forefathers saved them from slavery without a military force nor were they required to lift up a sword when Pharaoh and his army wanted to destroy them all near the red sea so they owe Him their lives that is why He justly demanded whole soul devotion from them.
This is the misconception islamists do pick in the Bible before going to attack people who don't even know the God they are talking about!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what God's word said about a real Bible scholar:
Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers. But his delight is in the law of Jehovah, And he reads His law in an undertone day and night. He will be like a tree planted by streams of water, A tree that produces fruit in its season, The foliage of which does not wither. And everything he does will succeed. The wicked are not like that; They are like the chaff that the wind blows away. That is why the wicked will not remain standing in the judgment; Nor will sinners remain standing in the assembly of the righteous. For Jehovah is aware of the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalms 1:1-6

The highlighted in blue is what you need to pay more attention to, it say the scholar will not sit with scoffers and his delight is in God's laws which he reads in an undertone day and night he will produce fruit at the right season and whatever he does will succeed.
That's why i asked you if these so called Bible scholars are doing God's will because Jesus said that's the only reason why God will give anyone everlasting blessings {Matthew 7:21-23} note that whoever is not doing God's will definitely doesn't understand the scriptures because nobody wants to loose in whatever he does.
So what is God's will?
Anyone can pick up the Bible and start reading but knowing God's will is not just reading the Bible to make claims for others to notice you rather you must assemble with God's people and join them in doing what God requires.
In the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 we read:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.

The highlighted in green is what no human can successfully achieve without the ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word because the Bible reveals that it's what they found in the scriptures that helped this group to form one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers which Jesus earnestly prayed for {John 17:22} so the question again are these people unitedly doing what God promised that His true worshipers will achieve in the last days?

All this na wash. A Bible scholar is one who devotes himself to study of the Bible as a vocation

CanadaOrBust:
All this na wash. I'm not differentiating anything.
Simple: if someone is being wrongly worshipped as you or part of you, you'd stop it. The only reasons you won't stop it is 1) he's really part of you and you’re ok with it OR 2) you don't care OR 3) You are powerless to stop it

It is your perogative when and how you stop it.

CanadaOrBust:
All this na wash. A Bible scholar is one who devotes himself to study of the Bible as a vocation

Earning a living out of it when God's only begotten Son ordered his own disciples not to monetize the work shey?
Ọmọ continue with your mindset at least you now know what real Bible scholars need to achieve before you can look up to them for understanding of the Bible.
Jesus said by their FRUITS you will know them {Matthew 7:16-18} you ignored that claiming they are Bible scholars, Jesus said only those doing the will of his father you don't care all you want to hear is that the world recognized them as Bible scholars even though they are not performing as Jesus said.
It's OK jàre you don't have any problem!

CanadaOrBust:
Three persons of one God that are all fully God

Everyone is familiar with the concept of the Trinity, which describes three persons existing as one God.
However, what I want you to clarify regarding your understanding of the Trinity is whether these three persons are considered
1. The same or distinct entities.
2. Are they co-equal and co-eternal, or do they have different statuses?
3. Do they share a single will, or do they operate with separate wills?
4. Additionally, can one person of the Trinity be dependent on another, or do they exist independently of one another?

honesttalk21:
It is your perogative when and how you stop it.

And if you don't stop it, it's because...

MaxInDHouse:
Earning a living out of it when God's only begotten Son ordered his own disciples not to monetize the work shey?
Ọmọ continue with your mindset at least you now know what real Bible scholars need to achieve before you can look up to them for understanding of the Bible.
Jesus said by their FRUITS you will know them {Matthew 7:16-18} you ignored that claiming they are Bible scholars, Jesus said only those doing the will of his father you don't care all you want to hear is that the world recognized them as Bible scholars even though they are not performing as Jesus said.
It's OK jàre you don't have any problem!

You have to invent your own language.
In English language, regardless of whether they follow it or not, someone who does the following is a Bible scholar:
Devotes himself to in-depth study of the Bible (often attempting to interpret the text in its original historical context), memorizes and meditates on it, does research and reads books on it, possibly went to school for, and very likely makes a living from it teaching and writing (mainly because they're left with no time to do anything else).

Petalss:
Everyone is familiar with the concept of the Trinity, which describes three persons existing as one God.
However, what I want you to clarify regarding your understanding of the Trinity is whether these three persons are considered
1. The same or distinct entities.
2. Are they co-equal and co-eternal, or do they have different statuses?
3. Do they share a single will, or do they operate with separate wills?
4. Additionally, can one person of the Trinity be dependent on another, or do they exist independently of one another?

There is really no human or worldly equivalent but I gave you an anology - if you were able to send your thoughts to perform errands, they'd still be you. Another is your mind mind, body, and spirit - they all work together to be you, yet they're all independently you also. Hence you can talk to yourself and give yourself advice - meaning your true nature is more than one person and you can actually refer to yourself as "we"

CanadaOrBust:
You have to invent your own language.
In English language, regardless of whether they follow it or not, someone who does the following is a Bible scholar:
Devotes himself to in-depth study of the Bible (often attempting to interpret the text in its original historical context), memorizes and meditates on it, does research and reads books on it, possibly went to school for, and very likely makes a living from it teaching and writing (mainly because they're left with no time to do anything else).

I'm not disputing what people meant by Bible scholars but i am talking about what the owner of the Bible said regarding Bible scholars.
For instance first century Jewish community doesn't recognize Jesus and his disciples as scholars of the scriptures that's why they don't relate with whatever is written in the New Testament as those they regarded back then don't recognize Jesus' disciples as anything:

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. Acts 4:13

So my friend i'm not disputing what you think i only want to help you know that there is a big difference between what the world recognize and what God recognize!

Petalss:
Everyone is familiar with the concept of the Trinity, which describes three persons existing as one God.
However, what I want you to clarify regarding your understanding of the Trinity is whether these three persons are considered
1. The same or distinct entities.
2. Are they co-equal and co-eternal, or do they have different statuses?
3. Do they share a single will, or do they operate with separate wills?
4. Additionally, can one person of the Trinity be dependent on another, or do they exist independently of one another?

Can you please answer the 1 - 4 for clarity.
CanadaOrBust

CanadaOrBust:
And if you don't stop it, it's because...

Please tell me as you are clairvoyant

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not disputing what people meant by Bible scholars but i am talking about what the owner of the Bible said regarding Bible scholars.
For instance first century Jewish community doesn't recognize Jesus and his disciples as scholars of the scriptures that's why they don't relate with whatever is written in the New Testament as those they regarded back then don't recognize Jesus' disciples as anything:

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. Acts 4:13

So my friend i'm not disputing what you think i only want to help you know that there is a big difference between what the world recognize and what God recognize!

It has nothing to do with what I think or the world. It has to do with LANGUAGE. A Shakespeare scholar would be someone who devotes his time studying Shakespeare plays in-dept and possibly did his PhD on them. That he can neither act nor direct a Shakespeare play has no bearing on it.