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AntiChristian:
You are right the Angel didn't disguise! But the Angel did wrestle Jacob and When the man saw that he could not overpower Jacob, he struck the socket of Jacob’s hip and dislocated it as they wrestled. Genesis 32:25

Points to note!
1. The Biblical Angel Wrestles with Jacob and loses!
2. The Biblical Angel dislocates Jacob's Hip!
3. The Biblical Angel was violent with Jacob!

Was this an Angel of Light? Did he tick any box from your side?

At least the Prophet was only terrified. His hip was not dislocated like the Biblical Jacob's!

You are simply a bigoted hypocrite if you think Angels can't instill terror but can wrestle and dislocate Jacob's hip!

You can read from that story that the angel didn't disguise at all, otherwise, he won't fight Jacob. Did he even announce himself an angel of God? No! So, where is the disguise you're talking about?

I've asked you a simple question about the angel that appeared to Mohammed because that Jubril of a thing didn't tick any box regarding an angel of light. Mohammed himself never verified. The result of that visitation is a world full of terror and bloodletting, starting from Mohammed himself.

FxMasterz:
Why do you like deflecting?

We're not taking about what the angel did. The did not disguise, period! Theere are many angel incidences in the Bible including Gabriel. It's clear Mohammed didn't meet the real Gabriel.

Yes, he actually did. His mission was to build Jacobs confidence before meeting his brother Esau whom he feared. The angel didn't come to fight Jacob. The fight is just similar to a father who allows his yr old son lay him in a wrestling game just to build confidence in the son.

I've not even said what angels can do or not? Are you in a dream? Where did I say angels can or cannot instill terror?

You don't even know the boxes a good angel should tick, yet you're arguing blindly. Is there any better definition of bigotry?

AntiChristian:
The above is your former quote and i can see terror and bloodletting in it!

How did the Angel disguise when he met Muhammad? What did he disguise as? Inform us of two or three incidents the Angel met the Prophet (with or without his companions or wife)?

So Angel is the father and Jacob is the son! So is that not the bloodletting you mentioned above?

Bloodletting is defined as 1. the surgical removal of some of a patient's blood for therapeutic purposes. and 2. The violent killing and wounding of people during a war or conflict. So the case two is bloodletting from the Biblical Angel that fought Jacob!

Show us how the Angel of Jacob ticked your terror box and how that of the Qur'an didn't!

Quote the appropriate references like i did too!

AntiChristian:
I answered this question earlier from someone. Is it not you?


Firstly, Satan can't impersonate Allah!
Allah is above the heavens and is not present physically in this universe! His knowledge however encompasses all things! And we believe Allah tests whoever He wills amongst His servants. Such is the case of Job and Muhammad peace be on then both!

Secondly there were many instances of mention of Satan appearing to Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam or his companions!

Thirdly, What you suggested can't be possible as Satan won't be rebuking himself seeking refugee in Allah as many as 113 times in the Qur'an!

We Muslims seek refuge in Allah against Satan as thought from the Qur'an and Sunnah!

Audhubillah minna Shaytanir Rajeem!

FxMasterz:
He disguised as an angel of light by contradicting all previous revelations while still claiming to be sent of God.

Please read with understanding always. Go and read again. The bloodletting was not mentioned as an act of the angel but the result of Mohammed meeting him. Mohammed was not known to be a terrorist until after that meeting!

The angel didn't announce himself as an angel of light. He didn't even tell Jacob he came from God. Angels don't actually do that. The proof of him being an angel of God is that his words concerning Jacob came to pass. Jacob became a nation by his blessing.

MindHacker9009:
But how did Mohammed know that the Allah his was seeking refuge from is not the same Satan that appeared to him. How did Mohammed recognise Allah to know it was not Satan that disguised as Allah.

You wrote this before: "Seeking refuge from Allah against Satan" occurs about 114 times in the Qur'an! It is clear from the Qur'an Satan asked Allah to permit him to tempt humans!

AntiChristian:
Show us the revelations that was contradicted? Show us where Angels are classified as Angels of light and darkness? Were the Angels that went to destroy Sodom Angels of darkness? Bring your evidences!

This is a lie. You can bring your proof.

The Angel visited the Prophet first around 610 CE). The first battle fought by the Muslims occurred about 14 years later after the Prophet migrated to Madinna!

The first battle the Prophet fought was the battle of Badr with the Muslims about 300 while the disbelievers were about 1000 around 2 AH (624 CE)

The hadith below shows Angel Gabriel when he came as a human to teach the Muslims Islam!
It was narrated on the authority of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him), who said:
While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of journeying were visible on him, and none of us knew him. He sat down close by the Prophet (peace be upon him), rested his knee against his thighs, and said, "O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam."

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, "Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity except Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah, pay the Zakah, fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj to the House, if you are able to do so."
The man said, "You have spoken truly." We were astonished at his questioning him (the Messenger) and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, "Inform me about iman."

He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, "It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in qadar (fate), both in its good and in its evil aspects." He said, "You have spoken truly."

Then he (the man) said, "Inform me about Ihsan." He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, "It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet (know that) He sees you."

He said, "Inform me about the Hour." He (the Messenger of Allah) said, "About that, the one questioned knows no more than the questioner." So he said, "Well, inform me about the signs thereof." He said, "They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings." Thereupon the man went of. I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, "O Umar, do you know who that questioner was?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "That was Jibril (the Angel Gabriel). He came to teach you your religion." [Muslim]



Jacob still had to steal Prophethood and blessing from his brother right! Abeg!

FxMasterz:
My dear,all these are unnecessary. Mohammed was a terror and has also given birth to many terrorists. It does not matter when he started terrorizing.

You see, I do not want to go into giving you details. It would end in futile argument because I've seen you cursing yourself every day by hoping to die a Muslim. Your eyes are not open enough to see Mohammed for who he really was. No amount of explanation will open your eyes.

Go on a study of angels, see how they behave and their ways, then compare that to Jubril if you have anything to learn. I proved to you hath Mohammed isn't in the Bible, even the ancient manuscripts said nothing of him. Did you bulge?

Maybe someday, you will encounter the Lining Jesus, and all the scales will drop from your eyes.

AntiChristian:
You see your life!
You lied and when asked to bring evidence you said it's not necessary!

Continue promoting lies then!

I won't encounter any lying Jesus!
The Biblical Jesus is a Roman creation that exists only in your imagination!
To me na lie!

FxMasterz:
Which lie?

1. Please read with understanding always. Go and read again. The bloodletting was not mentioned as an act of the angel but the result of Mohammed meeting him. Mohammed was not known to be a terrorist until after that meeting!

2. The result of that visitation is a world full of terror and bloodletting, starting from Mohammed himself.

3. The messengers can be Satan in disguise. That's what I'm pointing out.

Is the terrorism of Islam not well proven already?

Do I need to bring evidence for the result of the visitation of Jubril to Mohammed?

Who doesn't know that a world without Islam is peace.

AntiChristian:
A compilation of some of your lies:






How many Muslims have terrorized you? And who is deflecting now talking about terrorism? Where did terrorism enter this thread now?

Yes, bring it.

Just tell us your Jesus can't conquer Islam make we rest!

In the next couple of decades Islam will take over from Christianity!
Islam is the only threat to Modern Christianity!

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

Where are the lies? Yes, Muslims almost lynched me in Ilorin in 2017.

Christianity is not a religion! Islam is a religion of terror and lies.

AntiChristian:
You are not even serious at all!

You lied and you keep evading your lies!
What a Christian liar!

FxMasterz:
You Muslims, in order to cover up your lies, you'll quickly attack Christians and call them liars. Every Christian you engage with is a liar. You don't even have any other word in your mouth other than call Christians liars everyday. It's already stale. It doesn't work. Calling someone a liar without proof does not make the person a liar. If we say Mohammed is this or that and even give you proofs, you'll start shouting, "you're are liar." Is that the new tactic they taught you in your mosques? You gather in your mosques to talk about Christians who do not have your time.

What lies have I told? Where are the lies? Is Islam not a religion of terror? Was Mohammed terrorizing the world before he met Jubril? Was it not the evil impartation from the evil angel that turned him into a bloody murderer and paedophile? Perhaps it was the same spirit that made him into a caravan robber. Tell me which prophet before him behaved in such a criminal manner.

The theme of the whole Bible is salvation through the unconditional love of God for man. Why is Mohammed's message different? In the Old Testament, God showed man the dangers of sin, the severe punishments for sin and man's inability to fulfil righteousness by his own efforts. In the New Testament, God showed His love for man to help him out of the sin that was too strong for him, and give him unconditional salvation through Jesus Christ.

Tell, me which of the two themes Mohammed followed? The Old or the New? Tell me how his messages aligned with that of any prophet before him!

How can anyone call Mohammed a prophet for God's sake? What type of blindness is this?

AntiChristian:
But it is clear you lied here and you didn't bring one Islamic proof for any of your claims!
I quoted Joshua and the angel from Genesis!

What proof did you bring except more lies and more pity?

FxMasterz:
What exactly did I lie about? List them out here. Let's hear the lies I told.

Lie 1. Please read with understanding always. Go and read again. The bloodletting was not mentioned as an act of the angel but the result of Mohammed meeting him. Mohammed was not known to be a terrorist until after that meeting!

Lie 2. The result of that visitation is a world full of terror and bloodletting, starting from Mohammed himself.

Lie 3. The messengers can be Satan in disguise. That's what I'm pointing out.

Mohammed wasn't a prophet of the God of Israel. Take it or leave it! Abraham, Moses, David and all the prophets have the same message. Mohammed has a strange message.

AntiChristian:
A compilation of some of your lies exactly as you typed them:





Adam and Noah also were not a Prophet of the God of Israel! In fact, Adam and Noah doesn't know the God of Israel!
All Prophets have same message of worship of One God alone without partners! Their laws may vary!

It's only Christianity that worships three Gods in one! Islam enjoins the worship of one God alone without partners!

FxMasterz:
You see yourself? You hate your own soul!

Even when I said "The messengers CAN be Satan in disguise. That's what I'm pointing out." You called it lie 3. You mean messengers cannot be Satan in disguise? This shows how very insincere and dishonest you are to your own soul. By calling all the known truths a lie, you do a disservice to your own soul.

You hate your soul with strange hatred to the extent that you don't want to tell your soul the truth.

I don't know where you read that Adam and Noah were prophets of Israel that you're trying to argue against it. Who are you deceiving? We don't call those two prophets. Mohammed doesn't even know who a prophet is. Noah may be a prophet in a sense but he isn't recognized as a called prophet of God. Adam wasn't a prophet in any sense of the word.

Those two also never claimed to be prophets, so why drag them into it? Simple - because you hate your soul to the extent that you must defend Mohammed your deceiver by all means. They never called themselves the prophets of the God of Israel. Meanwhile Mohammed claimed to be one. He claimed to serve the same God as Moses, David and other prophets. Yet, it was a lie! You know this but keep telling the lie to your own soul.

Other lies you're telling your soul:

1. You know Mohammed was not mentioned in any Bible manuscript, both ancient and recent but you keep lying to your soul that Mohammed is in the Bible.

2. You know that Mohammed's Character does not befit that of a righteous man. He was a caravan robber for God's sake! Yet, you continue to lie to your soul that he was righteous.

3. I have shown you the themes of both the Old Testament and New Testament Bible which all prophets followed. Only Mohammed has a contrary theme, yet you keep lying to your soul that Mohammed is in the league of the prophets.

4. You know that Mohammed's didn't give you any guarantee of salvation, yet you are guaranteeing your soul on Mohammed's terms. Why do you hate your own soul?

5. You know that Islam is all about terrorism! Infact the Saudi Crown Prince is now pushing for a modern and more liberal Islam, yet you're here deceiving your own soul that Islam is peace.

6. You know that Jesus Christ walked the earth as a unique and different Being whose personality is different from other other types of human beings who ever lived, but you still keep deceiving your own soul that He was an ordinary human lower than a sinful and iniquitous Mohammed.

7. You know that Mohammed was a self acclaimed prophet who had neither witness nor external affirmation for anything he did including his prophethood, but you decided to leave him alone and rather bastardize Paul who never declared himself by himself but was declared by Christ to Ananias first, and then to others. He had several witnesses. He was affirmed by the disciples of Christ and even the brothers of Jesus! Notable miracles followed him! Yet, you'll choose a Mohammed who had no proof of his supposed calling. He was only a project because he called himself one. You hate your own soul!

Every attempt to tell you the truth is seen as a fight for religious superiority. You think winning an argument is more important than discovering and embracing the real truth. You're on Nairaland to win arguments only - an effort that would not save your soul. You dismiss all proven truths to hang on to all your previous lies. Why do you hate your soul this much? Don't you desire a paradise of bliss for your soul in eternity?

AntiChristian:
All these nonsense you typed didn't even scratch any of your lies! And we are not talking about the lies to one's soul. If i lie to my soul then that's my soul not yours! You have no business with my soul!

Why is it difficult for you to address the lies you lied to me here?

You mentioned lie 3 but left lie 1 and 2 as if they are small lies! Is telling lies not a sin in Christianity?

As regards your Lie 3, Adam and Noah are both Prophets but only Noah is one of the Messengers of Allah.

A Prophet in Islam is one whom Allah sends to a believing people while a messenger is one sent to a disbelieving people!

[quote]The messenger we are talking about in your lie is Angel Jubril! How can Satan disguise as an Angel? Show us the proof? You won't be able to quote any! Na so so lies and more lies!

Once again!
A compilation of some of your lies exactly as you typed them:

Lie 1. Please read with understanding always. Go and read again. The bloodletting was not mentioned as an act of the angel but the result of Mohammed meeting him. Mohammed was not known to be a terrorist until after that meeting!

b]Lie 2.[/b] The result of that visitation is a world full of terror and bloodletting, starting from Mohammed himself.

Lie 3. The messengers can be Satan in disguise. That's what I'm pointing out.

FxMasterz:
I mentioned what you termed lie 3 and used it to show you your bias. There's no single lie in all I said. If there were, you would debunk them rather than calling them lies. You think you make something a lie by merely declaring that it is?


So, who did Allah send Adam to? Even the Islamic definition of a prophet is as defected as Mohammed's ignorance of who a prophet is.

AntiChristian:
Where is your proof with reference in all these?

I have said it you are simply a bigoted liar!
Bring proofs for me to debunk!

I won't debunk mere claims that has no substance!

FxMasterz:
See, I didn't write for you alone. While, you might deny the glaring truths as a hypocrites, those who love the truth will gladly examine their stands. I'm directing words at you but not just for you. If you reject salvation, others will be saved. At least, not everyone is an hypocrite.

As I said, you love lies and hate truth. You call truth lies and lies, truth.

Listen, what will I gain by telling you lies? What exactly? What will any Christian gain? The punishment for lying even on behalf of God is severe in Christianity. Lies have no rewards for us. Only punishments.

You're the one who thinks that making Islam overtake Christianity is something to boast about. You could even use lies to achieve that. In my case, making Christianity to surpass Islam is nothing to boast about. Making more people leave hell and enter heaven is what I can boast about. And, mind you, I can't achieve that by lying! The probability of you being a liar far outweighs mine because I can't lie to snatch a soul from hell. It brings no reward but punishment.

The deception you guys wallow in is a battle for religion instead of a battle for the salvation of souls. People are going to hell everyday in every
religion, yet blind people keep.pushing for religious supremacy in total disregard for perishing souls.

I'm telling you what would save your soul, you're here ignorantly thinking our discussion is all about religious supremacy. It's a subtle deception the devil uses to blind your eyes and deprive you of divine revelation.

Please go and sit down and have a reflection on your eternity. Eternity is no joke! If you miss it, you'll regret!

Islam is satanic. You can't even rebuff the allegations of bloodshed in Islam without looking stupid. You'll like to talk about the crusaders in hypocrisy to defend Islam to the detriment of your own soul.

The difference between the crusaders and Islam is that the crusaders were not acting according to the principles of Christ. Though they acted in self defense against the marauding Islamic jihadists, it is not Christlike. Islam on the other hand is acting according to the principles of Mohammed! Terror is Mohammedic. He preached it and acted it. It is still preached in your mosques today.

Don't compare Mohammed with Joshua or David or even Moses. These people were kings and leaders of their nations who acted in defence of their country. They didn't go to war in the name of religion! Moses never held a sword in his life! Joshua and David were soldiers! Not of Judahism but of Israel! You can't justify a so called prophet's bloodshed by comparing him to the soldiers of a nation. Which nation did Mohammed govern? Which nation was he defending when he went to war? He was defending his prophethood. No prophet does that!

Show me one prophet that used the sword to defend his prophethood! Sometimes, I just look at you guys and wonder where the blindness is coming from. You guys don't ever see things in a balanced way. Hence you can't make good judgement.

May God have mercy on your soul.

AntiChristian:
Christianity is the real satanic way of life! What are we saying here?

You lied several times and now you're using more lies to cover up your unexplained lies!

Jesus was the one who was visited by Satan in the Bible!

Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam was visited several times by Angel Gabriel

And as regards who used the sword to defend their Prophethood, it abounds in your Bible where anyone who worshipped other gods are to be killed!.

Your biblical stories are false and erroneous! David was not adulterous and murderous in Islam. He never killed Uriah nor married his wife!

Na Bible paint am red!

And all these are just your diversion from the truth that you lied. This is not what was discussed earlier here. You just wished to divert away you lies to other things!

AntiChristian:
This is a conversation between Allah and Satan after he disobeyed Allah from the Qur'an!
(Iblis) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)." Qur'an 7:14
(Allah) said: "You are of those allowed respite." Qur'an 7:15
(Iblis) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path. Qur'an 7:16
Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)." Qur'an 7:17
(Allah) said (to Iblis) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all." Qur'an 7:18

So from the promise of Satan to derail us from Allah's path we know him!

MindHacker9009:
Did Allah speak to you and you asked Allah if the account you wrote below was His own account or that of Satan himself

AntiChristian:
You should follow the context yourself from the start to the end then! Go to the beginning of the chapter and read to the end!

MindHacker9009:
How do you know if the chapter is from Allah and not from Satan himself to deceive you believing you are following Allah

MindHacker9009:
How do you know if the chapter is from Allah and not from Satan himself to deceive you into believing you are following Allah

AntiChristian:
Is Jesus black or white?

Or just like those Palestinians/Israelites?



How will you differentiate Jesus and devil in disguise when you haven't met him before?

AntiChristian:
When you read you can decide yourself if you use your brain!

MindHacker9009:
When you use your brain you'll know that the whole chapter is from Satan and not Allah

AntiChristian:
Is Jesus black or white?

Or just like those Palestinians/Israelites?



How will you differentiate Jesus and devil in disguise when you haven't met him before?