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|How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by HoluwaLoniGlory(m): 5:10pm On Aug 12|
HOW I ENCOUNTERED THE MYSTERY OF KINGDOM WEALTH THROUGH A VISION OF BISHOP OYEDEPO
by Apostle Joshua Selman
.*The conspiracy against the Church
*The moment there is resentment in you against the Church, you are under spiritual attack.
*Why the devil does not want the Church to be wealthy.
In 2007, I had a vision...I began to press into the things of God and had encounters with Jesus (and very great encounters). The Lord had began to show me the visions of the revival that was coming and a lot of other things that He revealed to me and He had shown me the necessity of the Holy Spirit, the necessity of the Anointing. He made me respect the anointing, He made respect Light and Revelation...
I was in that vision, and then I went somewhere and Bishop Oyedepo was sitting down. While he was sitting down, I came with a seed to honour him and then when I came, I dropped the seed and he looked at me and said that's not everything, I should check my pocket.
I checked my pocket and then I found out that there was still some money, I dropped it, (then I think), he prayed for me (or something). All of a sudden, the personality I don't know, he came and held my hand and said Come. And they opened a room for me, and when they opened that room, I saw all kinds of currency (naira, dollars, pounds) and in my mind, I said what is this, what is going on? The person told me to pick some, funny thing is that I was not attached to it at all. You will imagine that I will first roll on that place first, then sit down and choose what to carry. I stood there, I was surprised, I picked a little of the major currencies including naira, then I was going to step out, and then I woke up. When I woke up, I heard the audible voice of God, not a vision, not the Spirit speaking to my spirit - many people lie that they hear the audible voice of God, but God doesn't speak audibly all the time: in a whole lifetime, You may hear Him just 3 times. But in that case, I heard the audible voice of God, just 4 words: Massive Kingdom Wealth Transfer (4 words). I said what is the meaning of this: Massive Kingdom Wealth Transfer, not you will be rich, not you be this. Church Gist.
You know every time God speaks, there is light that comes from His Word - it comes to your spirit first, (so your mind is unfruitful), it will take a while, staying in His presence to breakdown the implication of that mystery. Like the word of God wrote on a wall 'Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin' and Mene alone meant Oh King, you've been weighed in a balance and you've been found wanting (1 spiritual word). So when the light from God comes, you will think you understand and then His Spirit will begin to open you. (Pastor), it made me to begin to study the subject of Wealth and Prosperity from the kingdom perspective and that was when I knew that the church was under attack, under a serious attack. Please no matter what it is that you know or don't know, I just want you to (you can insult me later on), but let's pay attention and hear God deliver us.
The 1st attack on the church is a shield, a resentment for this truth. I told you that the same way you look at someone and know that you've symptoms of a sickness - the moment, there is resentment within you, you're under attack.
2. The moment there is such an appetite that you are more concerned about the teaching than God, you're still under attack. An obsession for this teaching, (not because you like what I'm saying), it's because it resonates with the laws that is already hidden in your heart - it is still an attack.
The greatest end time weapon of satan will not be immorality. Listen carefully - the greatest weapon of satan will not even be terrorism. The greatest end time weapon, the real weapon of mass destruction will be to create a cloud, to manipulate the economy of nations. Remember, even the beast, when he shows up, he is not interested in women, he is not interested in men, he is interested in sitting in the economic helm of affair because whoever controls economy, controls the civilization of the people. Until now, our idea has just been car and house and I am okay (I have hundred thousand) but God is telling you there is a conspiracy against the church. Influence and glory are related to wealth. You cannot talk about influence, there are certain dimensions of the corridors of power, you cannot get there until you are empowered enough.
The Bible tells us in the Book of Ecclesiastes, a very strange parable, that there was in the city a poor wise man and the Bible said that man through his wisdom, gave a counsel that over ran the enemy, but the Bible said 'yet the poor man', it didn't talk of wisdom again, wisdom has finished its usefulness, - now prosperity to continue was not there. And it said that poor man's wisdom was despised. The teacher was looking and he said I have seen his wisdom is good but a poor man's wisdom and if that man is the church, the poor churches wisdom will also be despised. The greatest attack on the disciples of Jesus came in the area of finance. Church Gist. They didn't catch Judas one day with one woman like Bathsheba (and all of that), and Jesus say what are you doing? Judas didn't have time for all of that but money. When he (Judas) saw the ministry blossoming, he said I can make money out of Jesus, he was not a bad man, he was just somebody who wanted to cash in fast - he was hoping when he sells Jesus, He will now unleash His power on the foolish people, and let Him rubbish them as a lesson and then he was surprised that Jesus gave Himself. That is why he didn't even use the money again.
The wealth transfer agenda is real. The greatest battle, in my opinion, that the church will fight is the battle over poverty, the battle over lack, and the battle over their effect to kingdom advance.
The subject of poverty and lack will be useless if it has no effect on Kingdom advance. Remember that we are kingdom people and everything we look at, it is with respect to the kingdom. Whatever can interrupt God's agenda is worth your attention. Jesus was hanging on that cross as the world (Pastor), every man of God and Prophet could no longer help, their ministry finished until a wealthy man called Joseph of Arimathea, went to Herod and used his influence - he also had the tomb. Church Gist. The prophet prophesied that Jesus must be kept in a virgin tomb but a poor man cannot buy a tomb. I want to show you how wealth played, every prophet stopped in the temple, it took wealth to continue to resurrection. The Bible says Joseph of Arimathea went and met Herod and demanded the body - Influence through wealth, not prayer. And then the Bible says he (Herod) gave the body of Jesus and an opportunity was given for resurrection to happen - it was a virgin tomb.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by daddytime(m): 5:10pm On Aug 12|
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 5:37pm On Aug 12|
Maybe that's why Dangote is richer than y'all because he doesn't need to see Oyedepo in a vision to get rich.
So if God provided riches then for His own work, without Jesus having to preach the gospel of mammon, they think that now they must preach the gospel of mammon for God to provide riches for His own work.
Bunch of mammon worshippers and modern day Pharisees who talk of church wealth as if it was collective and not personal riches.
Look at what it truly means for the church to be wealthy here:
Acts 4:32, 34-35 (KJV)
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by UceeGod(m): 7:17pm On Aug 12|
jesusjnr:You are very right brother.
They keep deceiving their spiritually gullible followers that their prosperity agenda is about spreading the gospel of Christ, but we know Christ never preached about material prosperity neither did He use material wealth as a means to spreading His gospel nor did He command His desciples to preach prosperity or gather material wealth to reach the whole world.
I pray God opens the spiritual eyes of His beloved people to see that these "men-of-God" are actually worshippers of the god of this world (Mamon) while using Christ to cover up their idolatry.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by CodeTemplar: 9:58pm On Aug 12|
OP has spoken well, but as we can see the devil's agent are already rubbishing it.
Zachariah 1:17 clearly back up what OP just said.
To tell you who the second replier(jesúsjñr) works for between God and Satan, he corrects the Holy Spirit and Apostle Paul teachings and even has threads for it. check if you think I am lying.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by HoluwaLoniGlory(m): 11:11pm On Aug 12|
Abraham and Lazarus are different personality in the Bible Abraham is Rich and Lazarus is poor, is their choice both of them die and go to heaven . you can choose for your self if truely he say I will bless the work of your hand
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by HoluwaLoniGlory(m): 11:16pm On Aug 12|
if you can also post about verse that speak about the promise of God about economic or financial life I will be happy
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by MANNABBQGRILLS: 11:26pm On Aug 12|
JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER.
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|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 1:52pm On Aug 13|
Matthew 6:31-33 (KJV)
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Proverbs 14:34 (KJV)
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.
Luke 12:15 (KJV)
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Hope you are able to understand it.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 3:00pm On Aug 13|
CodeTemplar:Mammon worshipper, as usual defending his god passionately.
Which of the two have i corrected, the Holy Spirit or Paul, or are both the same to you lying hypocrite?
Who was being corrected in the following instance by Jesus? The Holy Spirit or Paul?
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 (KJV)
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
So as you can clearly see I am not the only one that has corrected your own holy spirit, for he was being given a thorn in his holy "flesh" by the Lord to humble and correct him. So perhaps i'm not only one that you should be offended with for correcting your holy spirit in the flesh that died a long time ago.
My own Holy Spirit is still here on Earth, and has not left since He came after the departure of Jesus the Word of God from the Earth.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by Chidorx60(m): 3:09pm On Aug 13|
jesusjnr:Jesus junior indeed holier than all.
You speech clearly points who you are,the lord Jesus would never speak like you,
So please seat back and study the the word some more,prosperity is our covenant right,
But its okay if you wanna be poor,God is the God of all.
We were promised holiness and all things including material wealth mathews 6:33
Seek ye first the kingdom and all others shall be added,including wealth and health.
Expect to you mammon is richer than God,or its a sin for pastors to preach covenant principles for geniune wealth, brother you have missed it.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by CodeTemplar: 3:10pm On Aug 13|
jesusjnr:OP I implore you to go through his thread history and see for yourself.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by CodeTemplar: 3:13pm On Aug 13|
MANNABBQGRILLS:Lol...I thought muslims say Jesus never come?
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 4:08pm On Aug 13|
Another mammon worshipper spotted.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 4:10pm On Aug 13|
CodeTemplar:Confirmed who this mammon worshipper's holy spirit is.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by JoshuaSelman(m): 4:30pm On Aug 13|
Read More About Apostle Joshua Selman Here
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by Chidorx60(m): 5:02pm On Aug 13|
jesusjnr:If that's what u call people who believe in Gods prosperity package for his people then I agree,
Better change be there insulting blessed servant of God
I wonder were u were when they were preaching prosperity from their early days,its only now that they are blessed that trolls like u surface.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 8:14pm On Aug 13|
Chidorx60:What else would I expect from those who have been taught by the fools and blind-guides modern day pharisees to believe that having earthly riches equates to being blessed despite that Jesus haf said:
Luke 12:15 (KJV)
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
It doesn't matter what you choose to call it, but keep worshipping mammon if you like, like the pharisees who derided Jesus for saying same, and don't repent until it takes you into its everlasting habitations.
Luke 16:9 (KJV)
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
You want to know where I was, well let me oblige you a little. I was there when Oyedepo was being mentored by Idahosa into mammon worship, for I knew one of Idahosa's bishops at the time who was complaining about how the focus of Idahosa's had turned to money, money, money. That it was all about how much a bishop brought from his bishopric and nothing else shortly before his death.
And you want to know where Idahosa now is? Yes, he started very well but Mammon worship has taken to him to hell. But if you like don't believe this truth and keep worshipping mammon as his brought up and you'd end up in the same place with him.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by Chidorx60(m): 4:56am On Aug 14|
jesusjnr:Alright sir,what is your own take on kingdom wealth, are Christians supposed to live in penury or are we propagate the gospel through poverty.
I would also want you to know that the prosperity ministry of oyedepo started long ago,God called him to show many the way to kingdom wealth,
And if to you, its still mammon worship them you are only contradicting Mathew 6:33,
If I am still wrong please explain what the above scripture mean,thank you.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 7:31am On Aug 14|
Chidorx60:You can believe whatever you like but mammon worship is preaching any gospel that takes the focus from God and His righteousness and puts it on those things that Jesus said are supposed to follow anyone that does them, for as you heard from that saying it is the way of the gentiles and the world to seek after and focus on those things not those of God.
Or tell me where it says that one after seeking God's Kingdom and His righteousness would still have to pray, or talk about such things before it follows him as your mentor is doing?
Mammon worship is preaching any gospel that suggests that a man's life consists of the abundance of possessions he has as your mentor is doing.
Mammon worship is preaching any gospel that mocks the poor about being poor instead of helping them in accordance with the sayings of Jesus as your mentor is currently doing.
Any idea that church leaders have to do something contrary to what Jesus and His disciples did, and start preaching about money and earthly riches for God to provide for His work on Earth is from the pit of hell, because God providing for His work is God's responsibility which He does through whomsoever He will, and that's how the Gospel of the Kingdom got to later generations without the church having to preach about money and earthly riches but on the things of God and His righteousness.
The truth is that this gospel of mammon is not intended to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God but only an avenue for such ones to accumulate wealth and enrich themselvess at the expense of the people as God has intended for it to be and the way it was at the beginning of the church.
But you can choose to believe whatever you like.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by Chidorx60(m): 7:54am On Aug 14|
jesusjnr:Sir with all due respect are you forgetting were the scripture says "who are you to judge another mans servant'
Sir why not focus on soul winning and Christian living,instead of defaming servants of God who I know that you are not holier than.
Why have you made it your duty it abase men of God,the way unbelivers will.
When did you become God that can choose to judge the likes of Oyedepo and idahosa,
Sir are you perfect,
Why have you decided to tag men of faith,whom God has used to save countless lives as mammon worshippers,
Until you can prove to everyone including myself who have received breakthroughs under their ministration, that the breakthroughs were wrought by Mammon and not Jesus,
Then I suggest you stop castigating Gods servant and take heed least you your self incurs Gods wrath and find yourself in hell,
Obviously you have missed it and you are fighting the wrong battle.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 8:13am On Aug 14|
Chidorx60:Of course after hearing the truth you have now shifted it to something else to show that the Truth has no place in you, just as the Pharisees and their followers who said same concerning Jesus when He was spoke the Truth about the worshippers of mammon and exposed those plants that God had not planted in His house.
But you should also hear this response of Jesus to such sayings of the likes of you:
Matthew 15:13-14 (KJV)
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
You should know what the ditch is you mammon worshipper! So continue in your mammon worship with your prophet of mammon, but at least you wouldn't say that no one warned you when you eventually end up in the ditch as all mammon worshippers do.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by Chidorx60(m): 8:21am On Aug 14|
jesusjnr:Lol, I never saw any truth in what you said,
I only saw that it was pointless showing Gods covenant blessing to a stiffneck and self-righteous proclaimer like you sir,
It was God who said that he will pour us a blessing that rooms will not be enough to contain it,
So you can as well root out pages of the bible containing areas of blessing upon believers and remain in poverty since you love it soo much.
And btw if you are financially okay then you are a hypocrite.
And once again leave Gods servants for him to judge and face your own Christianity with fear and trembling.selah
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|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by jesusjnr(m): 9:41am On Aug 14|
Chidorx60:Lol! Anything to hold fast to your mammon worship, for so said the mammon worshipping pharisees of Jesus. Therefore it's such an honor to hear that from a mammon worshipper and modern day pharisee for speaking the Truth to him as Jesus would.
You can continue in your mammon worship and keep being blind to the Truth as your blind leaders, but I'm not going to waste any more Truth on you for this reason:
Matthew 7:6 (KJV)
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by PrincewithGod(m): 11:34am On Aug 14|
HoluwaLoniGlory:Why do you people think that whenever God talks of blessing, He is talking of wealth and money only?
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by HoluwaLoniGlory(m): 6:52pm On Aug 14|
my brother that is your choice someone can limit God in his/her life. if Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, job, David, Solomon, etc are rich and wealthy and blessed I must be rich and wealthy and blessed also .
in the prophetic ministry there are something God cannot show you or reveal to you because you are not capable to do those this for example God want to build a prayer ground in a city God can't tell you that because you will limit him financially
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by UceeGod(m): 7:21pm On Aug 14|
HoluwaLoniGlory:May God deliver you from this doctrine of mammon. If you really want to follow Christ in truth and in spirit, you won't live your life pursuing wealth and material possessions.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by HoluwaLoniGlory(m): 7:35pm On Aug 14|
UceeGod:This is the last time I will reply you
my focus is Christ but dominion is my inheritance in Christ.
|Re: How I Encountered The Of Kingdom Wealth Through A Vision Of Bishop Oyedepo by UceeGod(m): 11:35pm On Aug 14|
HoluwaLoniGlory:Dominion in Christ doesn't mean acquiring material wealth by taking some "special steps" in faith eg sowing seeds. Dominion in Christ is first and foremost walking in victory over Sin, Satan, Self and Sickness because Christ had overcome them all. The Christian faith doesn't guarantee material wealth but peace in all circumstances as you depend on God. You can't bulldoze God into blessing you with material wealth if that's not His will for you. God blesses those He wants to bless with money and material possessions according to His sovereignty, will and purpose. Just follow Christ with all your heart and soul and let His will be done in your life. Give the best of what you are and what you have to His purpose, be it money, time, talent, etc.
Pursuing material wealth in guise of dominion in Christ will only lead you into idolatry. If God wants you to be wealthy, no one can stop you from being wealthy as long as you're following Christ in truth and in spirit everyday. You don't need to do anything special to "attract" wealth, just follow Him with all your heart and soul. Trying hard to get rich in the name of Christ will open the door of your heart to the god of this world - satan into enticing you to taking some unchristlike actions that will lead you astray.
Lastly, remember the symbol of the Christian Faith is a cross NOT a private jet nor 666 (King Solomon's number). Most people who truly follow Christ would likely find things difficult on this side of existence, especially financially. I'm not saying a true follower of Christ can never be rich, but it'll be difficult in this world controlled by satan.
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