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gidgiddy:
Stop deceiving people, it was military rule not civilian rule. The military does not take power and allow political parties, ethnic associations or democratic institutions to exist. That the Ironsi regime changed some names, preferred to call Nigeria a Republic, which it was anyway, or call the Capital a different name, does not mean he tampered with the structural arrangement of Nigeria

We had 4 Region's that were controlling their resources, and so it remained under Ironsi. What the Region's did not have was democracy.

You have Gowons Decree 14 where he abolished all 4 Region's and created 12 states

You have Gowons Decree 15 where he removed sections 141 and 164 that were about resource control and revenue sharing formula

Clearly it was Gowon that changed the structural arrangement of Nigeria

Yet you people are more interested in if Ironsi’s regime preferred to call Nigeria a federation rather than a Republic? Both of which it already was

You guys are funny

9gerian:
Only few people reason this way. Cherry picking specific items while ignoring the significant whole to advance a parochial argument.

To you, Ironsi did no wrong by setting the precedent of setting aside the people’s negotiated constitution by taking over political power, proscribing the political parties and associations (which the colonial masters didn’t do), unifying the regional civil service structures and arrogating tk himself the control of all resources.

This is the same reason why some young majors though being mostly from one tribe saw nothing wrong killing the leaders of other tribes, while sparing theirs and thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong and there would be no repercussions. We all saw how that went.

Feel free to carry on with your delusion in bubble while a well informed world watches in amusement. Same of same. No difference in approach or aptitude.

Cheers!

9gerian:
So where did the destruction of regions come into the argument.

Why not act intelligently by reading the subject of dispute in the thread and aligning your arguments for or against accordingly instead of creating a topic in your head and trying to force your unsubstantiated/unsupported opinions on others by gaslighting and calling them liars.

Bear in mind that you are also calling all the african archives, journalists, historians and documentary evidence referring to Ironsi as proscribing regional autonomy and introducing a unitary system liars just to suit your baseless narratives and attempts to rewrite the history. Very watery take indeed!

From here on you will need to consult a lawyer to enlighten you. I hope he charges you for wasting his time too!

Try to stop talking stupidly

Realtruth2023:
So are you telling me that Ademoyega, Captain Adeleke and Lt Fola Oyewole were all igbos? Their participation is a clear indication that it was not an igbo coup. Also the lie that no igbo military leader was not killed also failed with the killing of Col Arthur Unegbe.

Realtruth2023:
Oga you are not intelligent, stop being stupid and forming half clever. The argument is here Ironsi did not destroy the regions, it was Gowon, you are a bigoted tribalist and you are desperately trying to sell a theory that is dead on arrival.

9gerian:
I choose not to describe you with the befitting words that come to mind but know this:

I have met very few people who argue claiming Ironsi introduced a unitary military government but did not remove regional autonomy by appointing military administrators. This is wildest claim ever

By the way, here’s the subject of the thread in the screenshot below. I know you still won’t comprehend.

Kdon2:
Col unegbe was killed because he was the amourer. He was not part of their confidant in the coup. If he had been carried along he would not have been killed. Tell me one ibo politician that was killed in the coup. Yet they killed both Yoruba and Hausa leaders. You are been expectedly dishonest ☹️

Realtruth2023:
Oga that publication is a recent publication, there is no transcript there. Stop quoting 3rd party sources verbatim.

Christistruth02:
Ok Bring the original Publication then if you dispute it

Realtruth2023:
Don't be a wise ass. I told you to do it so bring the original transcript. I asked you first, stop using third party statements.

Christistruth02:
You are the one who is disputing

Present the original transcript as your evidence to prove what I posted isn’t true

Let us compare both

Realtruth2023:
Don't try to push it on me, you are not smart like that. I placed the challenge to you go and get the original transcript. why are you afraid of doing it?

Christistruth02:
Stop complaining and show us the original Gen Ironsi broadcast transcript you were talking of!!

Bring it let us see it !!

Realtruth2023:
See guy stop being stupid. I placed the challenge on you. The burden is on you to prove that those third party publications you post are true so bring the original transcript. I asked it first.

Realtruth2023:
Bros take it easy with the lies. There was never anytime Col Unegbe was an armourer. He never held any command position as Quartermaster General. You even hanged yourself that he was not part of their confidant in the coup. That alone is clear evidence that the coup was never an igbo coup.
Again the igbo coup theory fails with the membership of Major Ademoyega, Captain Adeleke and Lt Fola Oyewole among the participants and planners of the coup. You my friend are the dishonest one here.

Realtruth2023:
Oga try and have sense. Decree 34 was borne out of the limitations of the situation at that time. Oga stop this show of stupidity and face reality.

Raf4:
You people are born, fed and raised in terrible lies. You'll call black white in broad day light. You'll cause problems and when the repercussions come calling, you'll start wailing and blame others for the results of your collective madnesss.

Kdon2:
I won't drag facts with you. However you are yet to counter my fact that only northerners and southwestern leaders were killed whereas they were not the only one in government then?

Realtruth2023:
Oga ask any person in the army whether a Quartermaster General holds keys to armory? Oga try and have sense for once. They shot Unegbe where did they get the rifle to shoot him if he held keys to the armory? Make una try get sense. Also the participation of Major Ademoyega, Capt G.S Adeleke and Lt Fola Oyewole puts to doubt the conspiracy that it was an igbo coup.

Raf4:
You people are born, fed and raised in terrible lies. You'll call black white in broad day light. You'll cause problems and when the repercussions come calling, you'll start wailing and blame others for the results of your collective madnesss.

T9ksy:
Una go explain tire !

Be rest assured though that if you were to try the same shiiiit again, una go get the same response. Most likely worse than your last misadventure's..........

You think , na only una get sense?

Raf4:
Don't mind them. We know very well who declared the draconian decree 34 and the reasons behind it. One Dele Ologun that wasn't born then cannot rewite the history now. Obasanjo was the 1st president to rule based on the current Nigerian constitution, but you cannot tell us now that Obj is the author of it.

Kdon2:
I won't drag facts with you. However you are yet to counter my fact that only northerners and southwestern leaders were killed whereas they were not the only one in government then?

gidgiddy:
Accuse Ironsi for what he did, not what he did not do

Did Ironsi introduce military rule? Yes he did, almost every country in Africa has had military rule

Did Ironsi change the structural arrangement of Nigeria? No he did not, Gowon did that with Decree 14 and 15

Realtruth2023:
See guy stop being stupid. I placed the challenge on you. The burden is on you to prove that those third party publications you post are true so bring the original transcript. I asked it first.

Christistruth00:
God bless you for this evidence 🙏



The Original Broadcast from Ironsi abolishing the Regions is in this Audio .

Start listening from 28 minutes to Gen Ironsi.

He is abolishing the Regions with his full chest!!!!!!!

Realtruth2023 you should have found and presented this Audio yourself but because the evidence is against you you dodged it!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

The Broadcaster is trying to defend Ojukwu.
There is no evidence anywhere Ojukwu opposed the unification decree until after the Northern Coup.

Realtruth2023:
Oga don't be stupid and dense at the same time. People like you need flogging sometimes. Did Ironsi alter the regional structures? No, who altered the regional structures and replaced them with states? It was Gowon, your hatred of igbos is not making you reason like a normal human being, but rather like a mental case.

Raf4:
Stupidity is a necessity in you people's DNA.
@Christistruth00 just provided the evidence (full broadcasting) of your Aguiyi Ironsi terminating regionalism, yet you're here foaming in the mouth.

Christistruth00:
The Original Broadcast from Ironsi abolishing the Regions is in this Audio .

Start listening from 28 minutes to Gen Ironsi.

He is abolishing the Regions with his full chest!!!!!!!

Realtruth2023 you should have found and presented this Audio yourself but because the evidence is against you you dodged it!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

The Broadcaster is trying to defend Ojukwu.
There is no evidence anywhere Ojukwu opposed the unification decree until after the Northerners seized power after the Northern Coup.

gidgiddy:
Save your strength for something more important, Gowons Decree 14 and 15 are already in the public domain

Christistruth00:
The Original Broadcast from Ironsi abolishing the Regions is in this Audio .

Start listening from 28 minutes to Gen Ironsi.

He is abolishing the Regions with his full chest!!!!!!!

Realtruth2023 you should have found and presented this Audio yourself but because the evidence is against you you dodged it!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

The Broadcaster is trying to defend Ojukwu.
There is no evidence anywhere Ojukwu opposed the unification decree until after the Northerners seized power after the Northern Coup.

Christistruth02:
Hope you heard Gen Ironsi with you 2 own ears?


At least now you have heard Ironsi yourself you can no longer say he didn’t abolish Regional Autonomy.

You heard what he said loud and clear!!