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Petalss:
I assure you that I am being honest and not trying to hold anyone back. If you had provided clear explanations regarding the verse I referenced, I wouldn’t have needed to ask for clarification again.

Additionally, the other person addressed you multiple times, yet I still couldn't find any clear reasoning behind why Jesus stated that He did not know certain things. The only insight I could find was your assertion that "Jesus knows all things."

Emusan:
Yes! Jesus knows ALL THINGS but not my own ASSERTION BUT FROM THE SCRIPTURE!

The verse is self explanatory. My main point is, the people who stood in front of Jesus when Jesus made that statement you reference in that verse LATER ACKNOWLEDGED that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF.

Besides, the scripture says Jesus is "THE WISDOM OF GOD!"

Do you understand the implication of a lesser being to be the VERY WISDOM OF GOD ALL MIGHTY?

Petalss:
Thank you for the clarification.

The key issue at hand is that both of these verses are found in Scripture, and the context of each must be considered in addressing the matter.
1. John 16:30. Disciples statement
"Now we understand that You know everything, and You do not need anyone to ask You questions. This gives us confidence to believe that You have come from God.

In this passage, the disciples are affirming their faith in Jesus' divine knowledge.

2. Mark 13:32. Jesus's statement
"But concerning that day or hour, no one knows—not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son—only the Father.

Here, Jesus is explicitly stating that the timing of this day is known only to God the Father, excluding even Himself (the Son) and the angels from that knowledge.

Emusan:
Matt 10 is about God having the final say over the dead.

God didn't bury people in the grave.

Oponu

Function but is about DEAD.

You see the reason I said you're OPONU

Nothing came from God into the BABY IN THE WOMB

Stop spewing this nonsense and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

Not even when the nonsense you said about Job was refuted.

Emusan:
That was the human part.

No can can be compare to God Almighty but scripture didn't only compare Jesus Christ but put Him on the same Level.

Still keep spewing the nonsense.
That statement was made in the presence of Jesus, and Jesus went to ENDORSED IT.
Shabi....that was the reason your evil mind said, Bible contains contradiction.

Oponu....radarada.

Yes you're not ONE THE MOMENT YOU HIDE ANYTHING FROM YOUR WIFE.

Oneness is about having the same INTENT, how can you have THE SAME INTENT WITH ANOTHER WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HIDE SOMETHING FROM THEM?
Reason, it took you time before you answered that question and at the end you still displayed your emptiness.
Then they are NOT ONE INTENT.

That is the fact.

Meaning, Jesus lied!

Steep:
sin can only e committed against a person.

It means the holy Spirit is a person

MightySparrow:
Your ignorance is captivating.

Are these referencess the only ones made about HOLY SPIRIT?
by Jesus

Please paste them and analyze.

I know you will dodge this challenge

Emusan:
Yes! Jesus knows ALL THINGS but not my own ASSERTION BUT FROM THE SCRIPTURE!

The verse is self explanatory. My main point is, the people who stood in front of Jesus when Jesus made that statement you reference in that verse LATER ACKNOWLEDGED that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF.

Besides, the scripture says Jesus is "THE WISDOM OF GOD!"

Do you understand the implication of a lesser being to be the VERY WISDOM OF GOD ALMIGHTY?

CAPTIVATOR:
Cos you are a fool

Matt 10:28 is about the Grave.

The issue here is about what happened to wicked spirit person's that Return to heaven!?

Unrighteousness cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. How come Wicked persons are returning to the same Kingdom of God TO RETIRE

Comprehension is hard for you . You refuted nothing. At what point did Job began to exist as a living being? In the womb. That is the moment that signified the presence of Spirit.

If nothing came into the womb and activate life, it means NOTHING RETURNED!

CAPTIVATOR:
It has nothing to do with being human, it's a testament to the Fact that he isn't Almighty. God almighty doesn't have anyone greater. Heb 6:13 is clear.

Jesus lied when he said ONLY the Father knows ?

Normally I know you don't have sense. But I don't know it's this critical.

" Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” 1Cor 6:16


In your little brain, the man who joins with a prostitute have told the prostitute everything in his mind and heart , hiding nothing? He doesn't most of the time. Yet the bible said he is one with the prostitute. If you don't understand what It means for husband and wife to be one, just speak. It has nothing to do with not revealing certain things. Fact remains the Father didn't reveal the day and hour to the Son. The same way an husband may not reveal certain things to his wife.

CAPTIVATOR:
mumu

And when Jesus died . God doesn't have wisdom.... Very daft person

Point remains Jesus admitted he doesn't know the day and hour and only his Father knows. irrespective of whatever anyone said on his behalf.

Emusan:
The human FLESH DIED.

NOT HIS ETERNAL BEING.

Spirit don't died.

But Jesus knows ALL THINGS

and Jesus is The WISDOM OF YOUR GOD.

So, without Jesus Your God doesn't have any KNOWLEDGE

Emusan:
Jesus is Almighty God!

That was His HUMAN PART!

No! You lack comprehension!

Don't let me even address your ignorance of that 1 Corin 6:16

Then it means both the Father and the Son are not ONE INTENT.

Your organization lied also then.

Emusan:
Already settled this!

You lies have been exposed.

CAPTIVATOR:
He was a servant before becoming Human, I hope you know ? And also after becoming human.

Isaiah 42:1 .

Jesus was never God Almighty at any point in history. There was always someone greater.

That's your problem, The Father didn't reveal the day and time to the Son is the TRUTH. Coming from Jesus himself. ( Matt 24:36) . He doesn't know

CAPTIVATOR:
Mumu
" I was dead " - Jesus Christ, Rev 1:18

Who is the I ?

Jesus Christ!

Jesus was Dead, but God was still wise. Don't be stupid

Emusan:
Which means the same PERSON WHO DIED ON EARTH IS THE SAME TALKING IN HEAVEN.

Waooo I love that.

But the part you don't like in that verse 18 is this "I am THE LIVING ONE" God Almighty has been known for ages as only being who regards to be LIVING ONES.

But here Jesus reaffirm His ALMIGHTY statues.

The BODY DIED.

Spirit don't DIED.

YOU AGREE THAT JESUS WAS A SPIRIT BEING BEFORE COMING TO EARTH.

OPONU.....

Emusan:
Jesus the Creator of you and EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE.

So, He is the Almighty God.

Lol.....after realized the gravity of that statement.

No! It's your problem because if the Father and Son are actually ONE IN INTENT then it means THERE'S NOTHING THE FATHER CAN HIDE FROM THE SON.

But what do you expect from a lying liar who claimed BIBLE CONTAINS CONTRADICTION and still using the other side of his empty brain to try to use the same contradicted book to proof nonsense.

Emusan:
The BODY DIED.

Spirit don't DIED.

YOU AGREE THAT JESUS WAS A SPIRIT BEING BEFORE COMING TO EARTH.

Petalss:
As human beings, our bodies die, but our spirits continue to live on. How does this differ from what happened to Jesus?

CAPTIVATOR:
The point is , he said " I was Dead"

Meaning he died. Which doesn't stop God from being wise while he was dead

"He emptied himself "

Died like a normal human. Suppose he wasn't ressurected, would have return to Dust

Thus the point stands. Christ being dead doesn't stop God from having knowledge, which he even used to ressurect the dead Jesus. Learn to think

CAPTIVATOR:
Almighty cannot have a God.

Jesus was a servant before humanity ( Isaiah 42:1)

He was never Almighty at any point in History

So you know Jesus himself admitted the Fact hide the date from him ? Matt 24:36

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

Petalss:
As human beings, our bodies die, but our spirits continue to live on. How does this differ from what happened to Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:

Emusan:
There's no different but the different is resurrection!

At resurrection those human spirit will received FLESH.

As demonstrated by Jesus resurrection!

Petalss:
What kind of body did Jesus possess?

The key idea I want to convey is that while God is immortal and eternal, Jesus, in his earthly existence, was a mortal being.

Petalss:
You agreed with me here, right?
I'm still surprised by the argument that it's only Jesus' human nature (or flesh) that died, while his spirit did not, as if a spirit can actually die. Jesus is mortal, claiming otherwise because his spirit didn’t die suggests that we, too, should be considered immortal.
After all, if the spirit's survival makes someone immortal, the same would apply to all of us, as the spirit is believed to be eternal in many teachings.

Emusan:
Glorified body!

Emusan:
Absolutely because the human He came to rescue are MORTAL but remember the plan of God for human from beginning isn't to die while living in the same FLESH.

But that first body got corrupted and became mortal, but the resurrected body will take on immortality.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS CAME TO EARTH TO demonstrate

MaxInDHouse:
Well you're on point since you all believe your spirits survives death and continue living as you in the spirit realms but we disagree with such teachings.
At death nothing survives any living creature death is the exact opposite of life!

CAPTIVATOR:
The same way You and I doesn't know certain things all the time. It doesn't mean we choose not to know, it's just not in our authority to know. The Bible is clear that Only the Father has the authority to set TIME. That's the only person that can choose not to know something. He alone has that authority and jurisdiction. Jesus doesn't know, not that he choose not to know

This is a dumb take though, God , angels , and Jesus all have the same essence. Essence means Nature or what someone is made of. God, Jesus and the angels in heaven are all Spirit beings, that's their essence. In fact the bible speak of Christina's has having the hope of Divine ( God's ) Nature at ressurection. Does that mean they have same authority as God to know time and seasons ?

Sand2022:
You seem to miss out on the fact that when the Watchtower says God chose not to know the Sodomites, that was not what the Bible says. The bible says that God will go to find out if what he has heard about them is the way it is, I am paraphrasing here. And if it is true, the verse says "I will get to KNOW IT". So from the scriptural phrasing, one can also say that God do not know it until He came to investigate. That place didn't say "well, I decided not to know it or I chose not to know it."

So that Jesus says he doesn't know shouldn't make you to conclude that He cannot know. He didn't say I CANNOT know. He is the one who will destroy the world, mind you. How is it that he CANNOT know?



While God and the angels are spirits, this doesn't mean they are the exact FACSIMILE of God's VERY BEING. heb 1:3. God is not a creature. So no creature can be described as having the EXACT Facsimile of his not very person, but very BEING.

The Bible tells us more as well. The bible says that ALL the FULLNESS of DIVINE Godhead (theotes) dwells in him.

As a JW, do you remember the often quoted ROM 1:20? I guess you do. Now in that verse, "Godship" is mentioned there in reference to God. Remember? Good. Now the word that appeared in that ROM 1:20 for "Godship", is the exact same Greek word that appeared for Jesus at Colosians were it is said that ALL the FULLNESS of the divine Godship dwell in him.

Now how can you run away from that strong scriptural evidence of Jesus being much like facsimile of Jehovah?

FACT:

Oga Sand2022, your ghost deity never gave Paul a conflicting info @ Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3.
Oga Sand2022, your interpretation of Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3 is very faulty,built on quicksand.

The Evidence is this:
Trinitarian Sand2022:
@ Colossians 2:9, "Jesus is fully God".

Trinitarian Bill Mounce:
@ Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT fully God "

Why is the same ghost deity invented in 381 AD confusing Sand2022 & Bill Mounce ,Greek Bible scholar?

Trinity is a FRAUDULENT doctrine invented by men.
"The Colossians (2v9) were taught that Jesus is NOT fully God,& this is the very reason for the caution against false philosophy" of men.

Oga Sand,Go and convince Bill Mounce, your fellow Trinitarian.
Nah your ghost deity give am the Intel conflicting with your claim about Hebrew 1:3 & Colossians 2:9.