₦airaland Forum

Kukutenla:
But the Nigerian constitution never gave LG autonomy neither did it list them as federating units. LGs do not have any role in amendment of the constitution nor in carrying out state functions.
What Tinubu and his fellow journeymen at SC did was to use illegality to cure illegality. Well, like I said then, illegality will come full circle. If the FG really wants the LG to function, they know what to do. But of course, the FG does not want to lose its sweets while its chooking eyes into another's.
That's what bred this. Soludo even tried by codifying it into law. Yaya Bello was in the habit of doing this exact same thing when he was governor without any law.
So you're only complaining now because it is being done officially

This is why I think it’s stupid to abuse, insult and malign any politician because people in power = people in society.

Kukutenla:
But the Nigerian constitution never gave LG autonomy neither did it list them as federating units. LGs do not have any role in amendment of the constitution nor in carrying out state functions.
What Tinubu and his fellow journeymen at SC did was to use illegality to cure illegality. Well, like I said then, illegality will come full circle. If the FG really wants the LG to function, they know what to do. But of course, the FG does not want to lose its sweets while its chooking eyes into another's.
That's what bred this. Soludo even tried by codifying it into law. Yaya Bello was in the habit of doing this exact same thing when he was governor without any law.
So you're only complaining now because it is being done officially

I think you are being misled by what the LGA allowed ignorantly to be practiced by the Governors and making the LG depend on the SG.
You need to take time and study all the federal constitution, the State Constitution and the Local Government constitution and see where they have been getting it wrong.
Just because it was never written in the constitution that the LG is autonomous does not make it one. Then of what purpose is it written that it's a third tier government. Or was it also writrn in the constitution that the State government is autonomous.
Common sense makea one to understand it.
It's like the constitution says there are three arms of government, the executive, legislative and judiciary and these three are independent and interdependent depending on their respective functions an dduties to ensure that the system of governance is run smooth. But while they will always say the judiciary and even legislative are independent we all know that is not the case because in Nigeria.
The love for money has always been the root of all evils.

Of what importance of putting in the constitution verbatim and plainly that a governor has immunity if not for ways to evade corruption.
Or is the USA constitution says that the President and Governors have full immunity and will not be subject to investigation till they complete their tenure in office!!!!!
Or do we not know that upon taking an oath of office, there is some kind of immunity given one but it's limited and not this scam sham being arranged and share by all of them in Nigeria.
Is it not because of Yaya Bello that some States have gathered together to take the FG to court under the guise that the act bringing EFCC is not done rightly!!!!
The monies these SGs are going to spend in resolving this in court why did they not do same in ensuring that they put up good institutions that will make people be held accountable while in office.

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

, since all this while and years they have been joint account.state government in possession of local government money /funds... where have you seen development in the local government areas, villages communities in Nigeria.. local government areas , villages, communities have been in bad and deteriorable bad conditions putting the villagers there in poverty, hunger, hardship..the state government does not use the local government money to develop the local government areas but divert the money to their pockets and bank account and use it for their personal use and families..if 350 million naira is sent to a local government through joint account the state government will give the local government 50 million naira and divert the remaining 300 million naira to his own Bank account for his own personal use and families ..this is what had been happening al this while

kiddkash:
It is this same professor that told ronu peeps that poverty grew under OBi and Roads He built were all washed, all you lot masturbate on it. Now see him.

Someone who always does eye service and wishes he has half the love OBi has.

Don't forget he contested under PDP against Obi and lost

Everyone knows your serial party defector and Pandora fraudster is a failure in all ramifications.
This is the true accounts from indigenes and residents of Anambra State when Obingo was a governor.

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing
Stop dragging your masters to your miseries.

Wicked and greedy and selfish man

ceejayluv:
A councillor told me of how they're planning to fix their own salaries And buy SUVs when the autonomy kicks in. As he rightly said, there should be laws regulating LG spendings and emoluments.

..but there is no laws regulating state government spendings and emoluments...does the federal government monitor how state government spends money in which the federal government sent to them.. even the state assembly that should had monitor it cannot because the state government have controlled the state assembly and influence them with money

Ikaeniyan0:
In Nigeria, there's 3 tier of government, not two

What Anambra as done is illegal

In the USA, State finance their LG

Here in Nigeria, Federal government finance the LG

Ewu akiri (as done or has done)
Ibu ezigbo anu ọfia.

You can't type shit correctly na Peter Obi matter you carry for head. Zuzugbuo onwe gị

EnglandAmaka:
Ewu akiri (as done or has done)
Ibu ezigbo anu ọfia.

You can't type shit correctly na Peter Obi matter you carry for head. Zuzugbuo onwe gị

You're wailing am not typing correct but you're also commiting the same offense.Obi will never become the president of Nigeria

FG should simply withhold funds for the LGAs. Nonsense.

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

I'm very sure you don't really understand what LG autonomy really means ? and stop supporting nonsense.

Jonjam269:
Everyone knows your serial party defector and Pandora fraudster is a failure in all ramifications.
This is the true accounts from indigenes and residents of Anambra State when Obingo was a governor.

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing
Stop dragging your masters to your miseries.

Move along boy. We that were in Anambra saw with our own eyes not what Soludo says.
Even Obiano the immediate past Governor saw it with his own eyes.

Learn to discern the truth from opposition attacks

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

Did you read his reason or just want to be intentionally ignorant. It is all about local government fund and nothing else.

What choas was the thief talking about? If there is any crisis in a LG, it is your responsibility to provide security for them, just like FG do to the states. Besides, there are tasks or functions belong to each tier of governments all over Nigeria. For instance, within a particular state,there are separate roads belong to Federal, state and local governments respectively. What is so difficult for these fools of governors to allow LG perform their constitutional function withiout tampering with their accounts.

I disagree with Soludo on this, completely!

We said let there be distribution of wealth and development down to the grassroots.

Therefore, give them the autonomy to develop their domain and one governor is saying they would not be accountable. Is that the duty of the governor or that of the EFCC and the likes?

In the first place, why must the LG allocation pass through the states.

We are not yet ready for development.

When we are ready, we will start!

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

The States are trying to be smart. It's sad that most governors don't have the innovations, resourcesfulness & capacity to develop nor generate resources from their States order than rely on statutory allocations from FAAC. A State tactically claiming what belongs to the LGCs in whatsoever means is fraudulent, barbaric & anti-development. Such governors should be voted out of office, they don't mean well for the people.

bixton:
I think you are being misled by what the LGA allowed ignorantly to be practiced by the Governors and making the LG depend on the SG.
You need to take time and study all the federal constitution, the State Constitution and the Local Government constitution and see where they have been getting it wrong.
Just because it was never written in the constitution that the LG is autonomous does not make it one. Then of what purpose is it written that it's a third tier government. Or was it also writrn in the constitution that the State government is autonomous.
Common sense makea one to understand it.
It's like the constitution says there are three arms of government, the executive, legislative and judiciary and these three are independent and interdependent depending on their respective functions an dduties to ensure that the system of governance is run smooth. But while they will always say the judiciary and even legislative are independent we all know that is not the case because in Nigeria.
The love for money has always been the root of all evils.

Of what importance of putting in the constitution verbatim and plainly that a governor has immunity if not for ways to evade corruption.
Or is the USA constitution says that the President and Governors have full immunity and will not be subject to investigation till they complete their tenure in office!!!!!
Or do we not know that upon taking an oath of office, there is some kind of immunity given one but it's limited and not this scam sham being arranged and share by all of them in Nigeria.
Is it not because of Yaya Bello that some States have gathered together to take the FG to court under the guise that the act bringing EFCC is not done rightly!!!!
The monies these SGs are going to spend in resolving this in court why did they not do same in ensuring that they put up good institutions that will make people be held accountable while in office.

Let me quickly correct some false statements you made.
1. It is not written in the constitution that LG is the third tier of government. They are a level of govt truly but there's nowhere the constitution says they are the third tier
2. State governments are federating units according to the constitution
3. The US constitution also gives president and Governors immunity just like Nigeria's. In fact, Nigeria copied the immunity clause directly from the US constitution
That said, you need to know that by virtue of the constitution, the State assemblies make laws for the LGs and part of the laws they are to make is how the state revenue is to be shared among the LGs and state govt. As a matter of fact, that's why the constitution created the State Local Government Joint Account Committee which mirrors the Federal Account Allocation Committee FAAC. The supreme Court judgement effectively killed SLGJA by saying FG should transfer directly to the LGs their funds. It also effectively stripped the state assemblies of powers given to them by the constitution to make laws for administration of the State/LG joint accounts. That SC judgement was wrong. And it is because it is wrong that Anambra assembly is making this law that's in line with the constitution albeit against the supreme Court judgement. The question will now be which one is supreme between the supreme Court judgement and the constitution. That said, for most of you who are pro-LG autonomy, a news broke last week that I thought will call for concern for most of you but that's when I realised that most of you are only being political by supporting the judgement and not that you really want or care about LG autonomy. The Lagos house of assembly suspended a LG chairman. That's an aberration that's directly against the constitution. Go and check the news. There was no comment that was against that move probably because of where he happened.
The fact is whether we like it or not, the SC judgement was clearly illegal and will lead to things like this. All the governors are politicians and they know when a political judgement is given. They can all see through the facade. The then CJN came out to say the SC needs to start revisiting some of its earlier judgements. The following week, the case was instituted. Three weeks later, the judgement was given against the dictates of the constitution. Meanwhile, when Buhari attempted to give state legislature and judiciary financial autonomy which would have strengthened the checks and balance at state levels and even helped the LG get autonomy the right way, it was same SC that quashed it. If SC and FG is serious, why have they not pushed to cancel this security vote nonsense. Most of you don't realise that the president unilaterally purchased a jet worth N150bn and a car worth N1bn without appropriation. The money was said to be from the president's security vote which was why there was no need for NASS approval. Do you know what that means? The president's security vote is over N150bn which is more than the budgets of more than half of the states!! Yet same people are fighting for one useless LG autonomy that does not even give most LGs up to 200m per month!!

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

Hav u been to UK n see d work council does? council is equivalent of local government n run independently n also receives tax frm residents living within its vicinity

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

The main problem is State assemblies. These bills that cripple local governments are passed in the state house of assembly and those people are are toothless dogs. They cant even bark. Governors will woll just storm there and shoot all of them.

Its the state assemblies that need that autonomy, then every other thing will flow.

Awoof money don sweet the wherhey.

Na local government money dem take dey pack interest on loan wey dem collect on top state head.

Mores so, dem still wan remain to dey control all their chairmen.

Talking as if there hasn’t been local government autonomy before in Nigeria. Why didn’t we have a chaotic situation then?

adanny01:
The main problem is State assemblies. These bills that cripple local governments are passed in the state house of assembly and those people are are toothless dogs. They cant even bark. Governors will woll just storm there and shoot all of them.

Its the state assemblies that need that autonomy, then every other thing will flow.

Don’t mind those wherhey reps. They are from the same grassroots o. But they have collected money to pass a bill that would impoverish their local people more.

Go and see all our towns and villages. Na goat dey sleep for all the roads during the day and night. Everywhere looks jaga jaga. Buildings have dilapidated. Poorly constructed containers and corner shops everywhere. Very gory eyesores.

Now other state governors are skimming their own version of what Soludo just did.

Villagesquare:
Tell me the items in the exclusive list again. I repeat if the Federal wants a total autonomy for the local Government then a fiscal federalism should be implemented. Let the States generate and give to the Local Government that way it will be balanced. Now lets take a local government in Niger Delta for example. The Fed. Gov comes to exploit resources in the local areas then send portion of the revenue generated to the State and some to the local Government. It sounds abnormal. So I like what prof did.

prof cannot invent new English language if this law gets to the supreme court for interpretation,the law will fail woefully,two wrongs don't make a right av said it before that our constitution is an abnormally period.

this man loves money too much
thats why he and his likes did not want freedom for the Local govt to operate

however...whatever hinderance law he may put in place is jus a race against the wind
time of change is already against Soludo....tufiakwa!

Wisdomkosi:
LG Autonomy Will Lead to Chaos – Anambra Governor Soludo Signs Bill to Deduct Funds | #Politicsnigeria



Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/lg-autonomy-will-lead-to-chaos-anambra-governor-soludo-signs-bill-to-deduct-funds/

Then state autonomy is also chaos so FG should manage Anambra for your.
#IDIOT

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

You dey high on stupidity promaz