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MaxInDHouse:
All Gods are single entities except the TRINITY which has been worshiped for centuries before the Roman Catholics adopted it and called their religion Christianity.
So if Allah is one God know that Ọbàtálá, Ṣàngó, Ọ̀ṣun, Ògún, Zeus, Ra, Hermes, Jupiter and many more are also one entity as each of them stands in their respective places.
As for PROPHET only someone PROPHESYING is a prophet and i think you know what that means!

The singular gods try to copy the true God that is absolutely one. Do the Jews and Israelites of old recognise a Trinitarian God.

Abraham may not have made future predictions like many later prophets, he certainly fulfilled the role of a prophet through his direct communication with God and his intercessory prayers for others.

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The singular gods try to copy the true God that is absolutely one. Do the Jews and Israelites of old recognise a Trinitarian God.

Read Deuteronomy 6:4 in countless versions of the Bible the emphasis is laid on:

One Yahweh or One Jehovah so there was no trace of trinitarian beliefs in ancient Israel even those practicing idolatry back then don't see their god as three in One rather each person worships their single gods!

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Abraham may not have made future predictions like many later prophets, he certainly fulfilled the role of a prophet through his direct communication with God and his intercessory prayers for others.

He wasn't sent to deliver any message like the prophets so the title was just to alert Abimelech that Abraham is a special person that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't sent to deliver any message like the prophets so the title was just to alert Abimelech that Abraham is a special person that's all!

If you actually understand your Bible, you will see that a prophet is not solely someone who predicts future events. They are also individuals who communicate God’s will, intentions, and messages to others. This includes both forth-telling (speaking God’s truth in the present) and foretelling (predicting future events).

Abraham delivered messages of divine promises about his lineage and blessings for all nations through him; intercessory prayers for cities like Sodom; revelations concerning future events affecting his descendants; instructions for maintaining God’s covenant within his household; and insights into how he should interact with other nations.

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a prophet is not solely someone who predicts future events. They are also individuals who communicate God’s will, intentions, and messages to others. This includes both forth-telling (speaking God’s truth in the present) and foretelling (predicting future events).

Please quote where Abraham performed any of the aforementioned!

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Abraham delivered messages of divine promises about his lineage and blessings for all nations through him; intercessory prayers for cities like Sodom; revelations concerning future events affecting his descendants; instructions for maintaining God’s covenant within his household; and insights into how he should interact with other nations.

All these are your own preconceived thoughts since your religion told you that Abraham is a prophet and you just want to squeeze in the idea when there is nothing like that in the life of this man.
He was simply God's friend {James 2:23} and we can learn a lot through his dealings with the true God but that he performed the duties of a prophet, NO!

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where Abraham performed any of the aforementioned!

All these are your own preconceived thoughts since your religion told you that Abraham is a prophet and you just want to squeeze in the idea when there is nothing like that in the life of this man.
He was simply God's friend {James 2:23} and we can learn a lot through his dealings with the true God but that he performed the duties of a prophet, NO!

The act of circumcision is the will of God. This he had done all through his household, leaving Ur.

https://digitalcommons.denison.edu/religion/vol10/iss1/3/

No he would have been God's enemy to suit your whims.

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The act of circumcision is the will of God. This he had done all through his household, leaving Ur.
https://digitalcommons.denison.edu/religion/vol10/iss1/3/
No he would have been God's enemy to suit your whims.

He wasn't sent to tell people about it rather it was a covenant between him and his God nah!

You can get annoyed over the matter it's your cup of coffee but as regards Abraham he is not a prophet going by what prophet does!

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't sent to tell people about it rather it was a covenant between him and his God nah!

You can get annoyed over the matter it's your cup of coffee but as regards Abraham he is not a prophet going by what prophet does!

He wasn't sent to tell people about It?
Seriously? How did people then come to know about It?

You see your reasoning? Even your God in the Bible calls him prophet so I should put that aside and believe you?

Please

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He wasn't sent to tell people about It?
Seriously? How did people then come to know about It?
You see your reasoning? Even your God in the Bible calls him prophet so I should put that aside and believe you?
Please

The Bible is meant to be taught not just read otherwise the same God called Moses and Jesus God so if you're emphasizing on what my God said without the understanding then try to accept Moses and Jesus as God because my God said so.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is meant to be taught not just read otherwise the same God called Moses and Jesus God so if you're emphasizing on what my God said without the understanding then try to accept Moses and Jesus as God because my God said so.

The more you look, the less you see.

The art of confusion you say? Hidden in plain sight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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The more you look, the less you see.
The art of confusion you say? Hidden in plain sight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

End of discussion!
So take it that the book confused you not that Abraham is a prophet because the book said so!

MaxInDHouse:
End of discussion!
So take it that the book confused you not that Abraham is a prophet because the book said so!

The same book you say needs to be taught?
Pick a stand and stick to it.

People read regular texts in books and do well without attending a taught class

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The same book you say needs to be taught?
Pick a stand and stick to it.
People read regular texts in books and do well without attending a taught class

Just as some read your Quran and concluded that killing their neighbors is what your Allah requires of them!

MaxInDHouse:
Just as some read your Quran and concluded that killing their neighbors is what your Allah requires of them!

Bias influenced unitary reading without considering context. It has nothing to do with someone teaching you. It is all there in one book

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Bias influenced unitary reading without considering context. It has nothing to do with someone teaching you. It is all there in one book

The problem is reading without understanding that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
The problem is reading without understanding that's all!

Too lame a submission. The Quran's explanation is not far fetched as you make or try to make of your Bible

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Too lame a submission. The Quran's explanation is not far fetched as you make or try to make of your Bible

The truth is all religions need to be taught not just read, i was a Muslim and there is nowhere in the Quran where it's written that i must bow towards a stone before God accepts my form of worship but here you are today because that's the translation given to PRAYER in the book.
So if anyone reads the Quran independently of any form of teachings can he deduce what PRAYER means according to the book without being told?

You Will Not Fulfill Your Purpose in Life UNTIL GOD DOES THIS TO YOU | Apostle Arome Osayi

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJ9EyGl9oo

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is all religions need to be taught not just read, i was a Muslim and there is nowhere in the Quran where it's written that i must bow towards a stone before God accepts my form of worship but here you are today because that's the translation given to PRAYER in the book.
So if anyone reads the Quran independently of any form of teachings can he deduce what PRAYER means according to the book without being told?

Surely you delude yourself with false claim you were a Muslim.

O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord and do good that you may succeed. Quran 22:77


Verily, We have seen the turning of your face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you; so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah) Quran 2:144

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Surely you delude yourself with false claim you were a Muslim.
O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord and do good that you may succeed. Quran 22:77
Verily, We have seen the turning of your face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you; so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah) Quran 2:144

Where in this verses is it written that people should bow towards a stone?

MaxInDHouse:
Where in this verses is it written that people should bow towards a stone?

You see how you expose yourself as a liar. Even if you derogatory say Muslims bow towards a stone when the bowing is submission and towards Allah.

Where is the stone?
What is Masjid Al Haram?

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You see how you expose yourself as a liar. Even if you derogatory say Muslims bow towards a stone when the bowing is submission and towards Allah.
Where is the stone?
What is Masjid Al Haram?

You've been thoroughly deceived my guy.

I know you are born into Islam but it shouldn't make you dumb because this people often point to where Israelite prophets bow yet they don't know that it's not mandatory that God's servants should always bow to display their submission to the true God.
When God's prophets in Bible times takes a bow it's mostly when they are alone not in the midst of a multitude and as for your Allah is this your god living inside the stone in Mecca?

Nowhere God said in the Bible that people should face any direction to worship Him and that's because He doesn't live in any man-made building so when talking about bowing it has to do with what servants of God feel in their hearts not an hypocritical showy display to call the attention of onlookers.

That's why your Allah failed to secure PEACE in the midst of its worshipers unlike the Bible God who promised to ensure PEACE in the midst of His own worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Zephaniah 3:9} Muslims are been brainwashed to worship what they don't really know {John 4:22} so there is no love for this Allah nor neighbors {Mark 12:30-31} instead anytime things that doesn't worth fighting for amongst believers come up Muslims will easily carry weapons to kill their fellow Muslims since there no real love or peace in Islam what you people have is delusion.

So when i left Islam i vow never to speak about all these nonsense but anytime i see you guys talking about Christianity or the Bible i try to find out who among you is honest hearted and sincere it's just a pity that most of you aren't even sincere with yourself yet you want to correct others about their faith.

For your information there's just one Christian group Jehovah's Witnesses that's why it's really difficult for any Muslim to figure out what is wrong with this group other than when you guys decides to remain delusional claiming you have your own religion!

MaxInDHouse:
You've been thoroughly deceived my guy.

I know you are born into Islam but it shouldn't make you dumb because this people often point to where Israelite prophets bow yet they don't know that it's not mandatory that God's servants should always bow to display their submission to the true God.
When God's prophets in Bible times takes a bow it's mostly when they are alone not in the midst of a multitude and as for your Allah is this your god living inside the stone in Mecca?

Nowhere God said in the Bible that people should face any direction to worship Him and that's because He doesn't live in any man-made building so when talking about bowing it has to do with what servants of God feel in their hearts not an hypocritical showy display to call the attention of onlookers.

That's why your Allah failed to secure PEACE in the midst of its worshipers unlike the Bible God who promised to ensure PEACE in the midst of His own worshipers {Isaiah 2:4; Zephaniah 3:9} Muslims are been brainwashed to worship what they don't really know {John 4:22} so there is no love for this Allah nor neighbors {Mark 12:30-31} instead anytime things that doesn't worth fighting for amongst believers come up Muslims will easily carry weapons to kill their fellow Muslims since there no real love or peace in Islam what you people have is delusion.

So when i left Islam i vow never to speak about all these nonsense but anytime i see you guys talking about Christianity or the Bible i try to find out who among you is honest hearted and sincere it's just a pity that most of you aren't even sincere with yourself yet you want to correct others about their faith.

For your information there's just one Christian group Jehovah's Witnesses that's why it's really difficult for any Muslim to figure out what is wrong with this group other than when you guys decides to remain delusional claiming you have your own religion!

All these to defend your lie when you are caught in It?

Did the prophet pray in one manner and have his companions and followers pray in another?

Prophets in the Bible took their bows in seclusion and live their followers wondering. Oh I see why the confusion as your faith is soaked in mysticism

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All these to defend your lie when you are caught in It?

The fact remains that most of us were born by parents who claims they are Muslims and that automatically makes us Muslims since we are raised by them so little we know or much doesn't matter because even the religion itself counts your kids as Muslims once they joins you people in the practice and bears the Arab name so stop deceiving yourself claiming someone is not a Muslim simply because you know more than the person regarding your religion.

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Did the prophet pray in one manner and have his companions and followers pray in another?

Wait o, do you count your Muhammad as one of the prophets of the Abrahamic God?
Come on stop it jọọ your Muhammad has nothing to do with Abraham his claim that he is even from that race is still under investigation talkless counting him as a prophet.

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Prophets in the Bible took their bows in seclusion and live their followers wondering. Oh I see why the confusion as your faith is soaked in mysticism

Ọmọ Bible prophets don't have followers that's the delusion in what the Arab guy infused in the heads of his people.
In the Bible prophets are sent to deliver a message to Israelites just as a king sends out a town crier to deliver a message and of course that doesn't make the citizens followers of the town crier nah!

MaxInDHouse:
The fact remains that most of us were born by parents who claims they are Muslims and that automatically makes us Muslims since we are raised by them so little we know or much doesn't matter because even the religion itself counts your kids as Muslims once they joins you people in the practice and bears the Arab name so stop deceiving yourself claiming someone is not a Muslim simply because you know more than the person regarding your religion.

Wait o, do you count your Muhammad as one of the prophets of the Abrahamic God?
Come on stop it jọọ your Muhammad has nothing to do with Abraham his claim that he is even from that race is still under investigation talkless counting him as a prophet.

Ọmọ Bible prophets don't have followers that's the delusion in what the Arab guy infused in the heads of his people.
In the Bible prophets are sent to deliver a message to Israelites just as a king sends out a town crier to deliver a message and of course that doesn't make the citizens followers of the town crier nah!

Many prophets in the Bible had followers or disciples who assisted them in their prophetic ministry.

Elisha followed Elijah
Samuel had a group of prophets that he mentored (1 Samuel 10:5).
Jeremiah had supporters like Baruch who helped him record his prophecies (Jeremiah 36).
John the Baptist, considered a prophet by many Christians, had disciples who followed him before Jesus began His ministry. Matthew 9:14

Sorry another lie you get caught in.
I won't respond to the ones you follow up with.

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Many prophets in the Bible had followers or disciples who assisted them in their prophetic ministry.
Elisha followed Elijah
Samuel had a group of prophets that he mentored (1 Samuel 10:5).
Jeremiah had supporters like Baruch who helped him record his prophecies (Jeremiah 36).
John the Baptist, considered a prophet by many Christians, had disciples who followed him before Jesus began His ministry. Matthew 9:14
Sorry another lie you get caught in.
I won't respond to the ones you follow up with.

Instead of listening to learn you choose to argue blindly, ọmọ this is not your Islam o!
There was no prophet in Israel who had FOLLOWERS because they were sent like towncriers to deliver messages to the people, they only had friends who chose them as mentor and whoever did not do that doesn't mean he or she is evil.
John the baptist is the only prophet who had FOLLOWERS and they thought he is the Christ as God had told their forefathers that the Christ will LEAD His people to salvation {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} and when he saw Jesus he quickly told them to FOLLOW Jesus {John 1:36-37} in fact when they began to feel jealous that Jesus is gaining more FOLLOWERS than John he reminded them:

“A man cannot receive a single thing unless it has been given him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent ahead of that one.’ Whoever has the bride is the bridegroom. But the friend of the bridegroom, when he stands and hears him, has a great deal of joy on account of the voice of the bridegroom. So my joy has been made complete. That one must keep on increasing, but I must keep on decreasing.” John 3:25-30

So the Arabian man deceived you people making you feel it's a custom of God's prophets to have FOLLOWERS but it's a lie only Jesus of Nazareth had FOLLOWERS and that's why they are known as "CHRISTIANS" in the Bible {Act 11:26} because they were doing things like Jesus of Nazareth who claimed he is the CHRIST! Act 1:8

TemmyT002:
The word 'God' is a title, like Lord, Chief, President, etc.
Jesus is a God. Even we are gods

But Jesus is not Jehovah God.
He is the son of God who has all the characteristics of his father.
God cannot come down to die for the same people He created.

It is true that the word God can stand for title. Even humans and angels can bear that title.

However, some scriptures shows that Jesus Godship goes beyond title. I have a thread where I delt broadly on that. Would you want to check it?

Before then, how would you explain the worship given him at Rev 5:13-14?

encyclopediax:
If Jesussssssssss issssssssss God. Why did he ssssssit by the Right Hand of The Majesty on High ? Who issssssss the Majesssssty on High ?

While he is God, he is not the same person as God the Father. This has always been the misunderstanding among JWs. The Trinity holds that they are of the same nature. That is the major point.

If Jesus isssssss God why doesssssss He ssssay " Only the Father Knows when the World will End ? " Good Master.... " Why call me though good ? Non is Good but God ," Jesus is asking why ssssssomeone is calling Him good and Wants only God the Father to be called good

I have addressed this issue of not knowing when the end will come above. Jesus plays two roles. He restrained himself of many things while in the flesh. He emptied himself as recorded at Phil 2:5-6

With regards to Jesus saying God good. Well, I don't think you mean that Jesus is not good. Is that your point? Take note also that Jesus is the called the ONLY Potentate at 1tim 6. Is Jesus the only Sovereign?

for God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son ". We can see there are two different entities the Father who gave his Son . Jesus is The Messiah and Savior of The World. He is not God and does not need to be God to save the world. Adam was not God. Jesus is The New Adam to Restore mankind back to God.

I don't see how all that changes anything. By saying "different entities", it appears you hold to Modalism, that is what JWs preach against. They teach less about the core traditional teaching of Trinity. To the church teaching that the father and Jesus are the same entity is heresy. So I agree with you that such teaching is false

Brenbentondiaz:
So, Jesus in Revelation was still in human form, right? For your own sake I hope it's either you are taking the piss, or you were feeling sleepy when you typed this response.

Ok. Where did I miss out.

CAPTIVATOR:
Use your Brain, only someone produced by another is called " SON" .

The title Son already tell you he is created

If by produce, you mean created, you are contradicting a scripture there. All that was created, all, I mean, all came from Jesus. That is what John 1:3 says. So it is scripturally wrong to use the word create for Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is meant to be taught not just read otherwise the same God called Moses and Jesus God so if you're emphasizing on what my God said without the understanding then try to accept Moses and Jesus as God because my God said so.

You didn't do justice here.
He(God) didn't call Moses God, He(God) made him(Moses) like God unto his brother(Aaron)

The way you presented it warranted his demeaning reply

Sand2022:
If by produce, you mean created, you are contradicting a scripture there. All that was created, all, I mean, all came from Jesus. That is what John 1:3 says. So it is scripturally wrong to use the word create for Jesus.

Trinity is being circulated as a hard topic but it's really simple to understand.

I agree with your write up