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Law or Faith

1You foolish Galatians! Who put a spell on you? Before your very eyes you had a clear description of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross! 2Tell me this one thing: did you receive God's Spirit by doing what the Law requires or by HEARING the gospel and BELIEVING it? (Galatians 3:1-2)

Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, “Whoever does not ALWAYS obey EVERYTHING that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!” (Galatians 3:10)

“Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, ‘Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree’ -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the PROMISE of the Spirit through faith.” (Galatians 3:13-14)
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Yet you say you've DELIBERATELY returned to being yoked by that curse. So how will you be saved, since you've rejected Christ's redemption?

I want to be sure there's NO ambiguity.
Your pastor uses Christ's coming to FULFILL the law as the reason for paying tithes, right?
Did Christ come to uphold or to fulfill?
The Scribes and Pharisees UPHOLD the law.
If Christ FULFILLED it, why are you STILL paying tithes, under the CURSE of the law?

Pentecostalism has led so many Christians astray with it's false teachings, that the VICTIMS of this deceit are it's GREATEST defenders. 🤦🏾‍♂️

So tithe payers-
Are YOU redeemed by Christ, or still under the CURSE of the law?
I await answers.
God bless 🇳🇬

Lie Sir. Tithing predates the Law.

Heb.7.5 - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb.7.6 - But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb.7.9 - And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.



Abraham knew nothing about the Law.


Gal.3.17 - And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


Abraham and faith children are on the same level.

Isa.51.2 - Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isa.63.16 - Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.




This prophecy was directed to those who would join Israel later

DZTech:
Take this to church tomorrow and ask your pastor what's going on-

Law or Faith

1You foolish Galatians! Who put a spell on you? Before your very eyes you had a clear description of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross! 2Tell me this one thing: did you receive God's Spirit by doing what the Law requires or by HEARING the gospel and BELIEVING it? (Galatians 3:1-2)

Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, “Whoever does not ALWAYS obey EVERYTHING that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!” (Galatians 3:10)

“Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, ‘Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree’ -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the PROMISE of the Spirit through faith.” (Galatians 3:13-14)
=>

Yet you say you've DELIBERATELY returned to being yoked by that curse. So how will you be saved, since you've rejected Christ's redemption?

I want to be sure there's NO ambiguity.
Your pastor uses Christ's coming to FULFILL the law as the reason for paying tithes, right?
Did Christ come to uphold or to fulfill?
The Scribes and Pharisees UPHOLD the law.
If Christ FULFILLED it, why are you STILL paying tithes, under the CURSE of the law?

Pentecostalism has led so many Christians astray with it's false teachings, that the VICTIMS of this deceit are it's GREATEST defenders. 🤦🏾‍♂️

So tithe payers-
Are YOU redeemed by Christ, or still under the CURSE of the law?
I await answers.
God bless 🇳🇬

Tithing was before the Law. We don't give tithe because the law says so. We do, because Abraham our father of faith paid tithe to Melchizedech long before the law was given. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

DZTech:
Take this to church tomorrow and ask your pastor what's going on-

Law or Faith

1You foolish Galatians! Who put a spell on you? Before your very eyes you had a clear description of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross! 2Tell me this one thing: did you receive God's Spirit by doing what the Law requires or by HEARING the gospel and BELIEVING it? (Galatians 3:1-2)...

Your God hatefulness is making you Mad. How do you not understand that Gal 3 1/2 is sinply reminding foolish people like you are displaying to be that anything you do in the flesh is death?

Did you not see that isreal did not obey The Law, yet they looked like they were obeying it eg, keeeping of the Sabbath?

Of course you did not learn from the case the pharisees made in Matthew21:23, so you speak foolishly.

Ken4Christ:
Tithing was before the Law. We don't give tithe because the law says so. We do, because Abraham our father of faith paid tithe to Melchizedech long before the law was given. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

How much more when God then thereafter made it A Law!

MightySparrow:
Lie Sir. Tithing predates the Law.

Heb.7.5 - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:..

Correct!

DZTech:
Did Christ come to uphold or to fulfill?
The Scribes and Pharisees UPHOLD the law...

Where did you see the pharisees uphold The Law?

if they did uphold The Law then how come they conspired to nurdered Christ?

Or how come they robbed the people?

Or how come they became captives of other nations?

Stop being a foolish Galatian.

Ok

Dtruthspeaker:
Correct!

Nope.
You qouted what suits you.


Why did you omit the one that talks about Abraham's giving to Melchizedek and that even the Levites gave in Abraham?

Galatians 3:13-14
[13]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14 ] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The problem is that folks want the blessings of Abraham not his deeds.

Again,
Isa.51.1 - Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa.51.2 - Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.


So, if Abraham is the owner of the blessings Jesus came to link us with, do his deeds. Even 10% is even smal.

This tithe matter no go end o! Everything na 💰

MightySparrow:
Nope.
You qouted what suits you.


Why did you omit the one that talks about Abraham's giving to Melchizedek and that even the Levites gave in Abraham?

Galatians 3:13-14
[13]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14 ] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The problem is that folks want the blessings of Abraham not his deeds.

Again,
Isa.51.1 - Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa.51.2 - Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.


So, if Abraham is the owner of the blessings Jesus came to link us with, do his deeds. Even 10% is even smal.

i did not dispute this. i just loved that part you captured especially as it pointed out that The Law commanded it.

AntiChristian:
This tithe matter no go end o! Everything na 💰

Muhammad collected offering too after he preached to people

Dtruthspeaker:
i did not dispute this. i just loved that part you captured especially as it pointed out that The Law commanded it.

Yes. I know. Thanks for the observation. Many will be arguing that tithe is of the Law and it is not so.

Lol 😏
Children everywhere you go. 💁🏾‍♂️
It's like saying that the police don't uphold the law, just because many are corrupt.🤨

So tell me, who was upholding the law then?

Dtruthspeaker:
Where did you see the pharisees uphold The Law?

if they did uphold The Law then how come they conspired to nurdered Christ?

Or how come they robbed the people?

Or how come they became captives of other nations?

Stop being a foolish Galatian.

Seriously? 😱
🤣🤣🤣[quote author=MightySparrow post=132402557][/quote]

DZTech:
Lol 😏
Children everywhere you go. 💁🏾‍♂️
It's like saying that the police don't uphold the law, just because many are corrupt.🤨

So tell me, who was upholding the law then?

You are just dodging the issue, as Nigerian police are corrupt and do not uphold the law does anyone say they uphold the law?

There is nothing reasonable for you to say.

MightySparrow:
Yes. I know. Thanks for the observation. Many will be arguing that tithe is of the Law and it is not so.

They are not wrong when they say so, however, you are right in pointing out that like murder and adultery, people are aware of tithing even if God did not expressly state it as a Commandment

But I asked you who upheld the law then. You didn't answer. 💁🏾‍♂️
So?
Who? 🤔

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just dodging the issue, as Nigerian police are corrupt and do not uphold the law does anyone say they uphold the law?

There is nothing reasonable for you to say.

DZTech:
But I asked you who upheld the law then. You didn't answer. 💁🏾‍♂️
So?
Who? 🤔

Whatwith did you think Moses, the Judges and Prophets judged the people?

Please, no need for unnecessary talk.

Wait. ✋🏾
At the time of Christ, Moses was alive?! 😲
🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Whatwith did you think Moses, the Judges and Prophets judged the people?

Please, no need for unnecessary talk.

DZTech:
Wait. ✋🏾
At the time of Christ, Moses was alive?! 😲
🤣🤣🤣

Clearly, you are Mad for was it when Christ came that The Law came? please carry your madness to your dustbin

So in the time of Christ, Moses and the judges were upholding the law? 😀
Nairaland, Coman see Bible scholar! 🙆🏾
No wonder, pastors dey use una head fry dodo..😂
Unbolivabul!🤦🏾‍♂️
Abeg, remember me-
What are the duties of the Scribes and Pharisees? 🤔

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly, you are Mad for was it when Christ came that The Law came? please carry your madness to your dustbin

DZTech:
So in the time of Christ, Moses and the judges were upholding the law? 😀
Nairaland, Coman see Bible scholar! 🙆🏾
No wonder, pastors dey use una head fry dodo..😂
Unbolivabul!🤦🏾‍♂️
Abeg, remember me-
What are the duties of the Scribes and Pharisees? 🤔

See how clearly you show you are a mad person in placing the Christ, Moses and Judges in the same place.

Clearly many mad people like you are browsing.

Wait. ✋🏾
You mean that instead of answering my simple question, you prefer to dish out insults? 😲
See who won reach heaven! 🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
See how clearly you show you are a mad person in placing the Christ, Moses and Judges in the same place.

Clearly many mad people like you are browsing.

Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

Is Christ's redemption enough for your salvation, or do you need to pay tithes as 'jara', to top it off?

Is your pastor a Levite? Does he live without possessions as they did, thereby needing the support of his flock?

Meanwhile, is it the tithes that you're supposed to eat yourself, that you're paying to pastors?
Or the one you're to share every 3 years between orphans, widows, strangers and Levites?
Which one are you paying to your pastor?

As important as you and your pastors make tithes seem to be, why didn't Christ preach and instruct His disciples about it?

How did Christians pay tithes in the New Testament? Surely, if that was the purpose of 'walking in Abraham's footsteps', they would've done so.
Right?

You are children of Abraham THROUGH FAITH, nothing more.
Or do you have a concubine like he did?
So you want to endure the trials he passed through?
Do you pray to have kids at the age he did?
Do you expect to lie as he did and escape hell fire?

Abraham paying tithes as a personal choice has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with Christianity. And whatever you choose to promise God IN NO WAY affects how you will be judged by Him.
Time and again, Christ made it clear that our judgement will be based on how we live spiritually, through Love; and certainly NOT through any physical thing that we offer to God.

So paying tithes to your pastor doesn't add one jot to your spiritual gains.
How much more, to your salvation.
Simple.
Stay blessed.

MightySparrow: [/quote]

Dtruthspeaker:

[quote author=Ken4Christ]

DZTech:
Wait. ✋🏾
You mean that instead of answering my simple question, you prefer to dish out insults? 😲
See who won reach heaven! 🤣🤣🤣

See mad man dey expect answer.

DZTech:
Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

Is Christ's redemption enough for your salvation, or do you need to pay tithes as 'jara', to top it off?

Is your pastor a Levite? Does he live without possessions as they did, thereby needing the support of his flock?

Meanwhile, is it the tithes that you're supposed to eat yourself, that you're paying to pastors?
Or the one you're to share every 3 years between orphans, widows, strangers and Levites?
Which one are you paying to your pastor?

As important as you and your pastors make tithes seem to be, why didn't Christ preach and instruct His disciples about it?

How did Christians pay tithes in the New Testament? Surely, if that was the purpose of 'walking in Abraham's footsteps', they would've done so.
Right?

You are children of Abraham THROUGH FAITH, nothing more.
Or do you have a concubine like he did?
So you want to endure the trials he passed through?
Do you pray to have kids at the age he did?
Do you expect to lie as he did and escape hell fire?

Abraham paying tithes as a personal choice has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with Christianity. And whatever you choose to promise God IN NO WAY affects how you will be judged by Him.
Time and again, Christ made it clear that our judgement will be based on how we live spiritually, through Love; and certainly NOT through any physical thing that we offer to God.

So paying tithes to your pastor doesn't add one jot to your spiritual gains.
How much more, to your salvation.
Simple.
Stay blessed.

Why did God include it in the Law of Moses? Please, give an honest answer.

My goodness. 🤦🏾‍♂️
Are you a Jew? Are you STILL under the law?🤨
Why are you, a Christian, concerned about what DOESN'T affect your soul? 💁🏾‍♂️
I'd REALLY like to know the reason why the law is so important to you. 🤔

Ken4Christ:
Why did God include it in the Law of Moses? Please, give an honest answer.

E pain am! 😂

Dtruthspeaker:
See mad man dey expect answer.

DZTech:
My goodness. 🤦🏾‍♂️
Are you a Jew? Are you STILL under the law?🤨
Why are you, a Christian, concerned about what DOESN'T affect your soul? 💁🏾‍♂️
I'd REALLY like to know the reason why the law is so important to you. 🤔

By knowing how God related with the Jews, you will understand the ways of God. His ways are perfect and just. So,answer my question, why was tithing included in the law of Moses?

DZTech:
Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

There is a problem here and it's like most Bible readers chose to neglect the weightiest matter concerning salvation which is faith in Christ so instead of asking:
"which of the churches is practicing what Jesus taught?"

Everyone just wants to justify the doctrine they were taught.

Well you're 100% correct because if animal sacrifices today has made religions like Judaism and Islam idolatry then tithe paying too has become IDOLATRY since it's no longer about faith in Christ but the law.
Why did Judaists rejected faith in Christ?
Is it not their attachment to Mosaic law?

Jesus commanded his disciples to care for one another and there was nowhere he made any payment mandatory or compulsory as far as salvation is concerned rather it's all based on what you can give voluntarily from a cheerful and joyful heart! Act 35:20 compare to 2Corinthians 9:7

IDOLATRY means what people are practicing and takes so seriously even despising their peers over it yet not commanded by God.
If Judaists today hate those having faith in the Christ simply because we abandoned what the laws teaches and stick to faith in the Christ then whoever is paying or receiving tithe today is also cursed because it has nothing to do with faith which Jesus Christ and his disciples handed over to us.

Remember Moses handed over the laws to the Israelites that's why they must live by it until the Christ comes {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} but after the Christ whoever sticks to the laws has derailed because a New Covenant has replaced the law covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-32} that's why Paul spoke harshly to the Christians in ancient Galatia! Galatians 3:1

God bless you and may you have PEACE!