₦airaland Forum

Gbadebo19:
One thing is as clear as crystal, no matter how much you foolish people try to twist history.
The current Israelites were the ones who suffered from the Holocaust, hence the necessity to establish a homeland for them where they can live since they were not wanted in many parts of the world as at that time.
Without any doubt, the people who suffered from the Holocaust were the Jews. If you like, lie to yourself from now till thy kingdom comes.
Whether or not the present Palestinians have a DNA that is closely related to the ancient Jews does not invalidate the fact that the present Israelites are also Jews.
The lack of reading extensively is what has made you think that the Jews were just a separate of people.
Right from time immemorial, the ancient Jews mixed with other tribes and it didn't invalidate their being a jew, even though ancient Judaism scriptures forbade them from doing so.
For instance, the first Christian martyr, Stephen was a Greek jew. There were Roman Jews as well as Ethiopian Jews.
Since the time of the apostles, this was a matter that had caused issues within the Jewish communities. Pure Jews at that time regarded mixed Jews as non-jews.
Matters got worse with the coming of Christianity that embraced and welcomed both Jews and gentiles. That was why Pharisees and Sadducees had problems with some of the teachings of Yashua (Jesus).

How does this absolve them of war crimes?

IMEI:
Well they tried to use it to turn him into an agent

Betty Lahat, the prison system’s intelligence chief at the time, said in a TV documentary that she tried to use that event to recruit him as an agent.
“I said, the state of Israel saved your life,” she said. “I thought I could turn him into one of ours, but he wasn’t interested. He kept talking about the day he would be released. I told him you’re never getting out. He said there’s a date: God knows it.”
There was a date. It was Oct. 18, 2011, when Israel exchanged more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for an Israeli soldier held by Hamas, Gilad Shalit. Among those released “

Yes they tried to turn him to an agent. They thought he'll be grateful for saving his life which they had no obligation to. His heart was already stone.


The doctor who saved him is the one u feel pity for he lost was it a nephew or a son to sinwar's OCT 7th attack.

Lawag3:
Yes they tried to turn him to an agent. They thought he'll be grateful for saving his life which they had no obligation to. His heart was already stone.


The doctor who saved him is the one u feel pity for he lost was it a nephew or a son to sinwar's OCT 7th attack.

According to International Law, they do have that obligation, but that isn't even why they did it, is it? They saw it as an opportunity to turn him against his people

Now, should he have shown gratitude by betraying his people?

Your posts are usually more intelligent than this, I hope you're holding up well

Fash20:
Shameful government. They thought sucking zios cock washes the sins of Nazim away.

Germany will be remembered once again for supporting holocaust against Palestinians. Two holocausts one country. This makes me sick to my stomach 🤢 🤮

Forget Nazism. Those monsters killed 10 million Namibians and probably millions of other Africans

IMEI:
It's not even a Qur'anic verse, it's a Hadith (that's if you even know the difference)

I don't want to turn this into a religious argument

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/223275

Follow this link to educate yourself about the Hadith, your problem is ignorance

Hadith are part of Islam. And this hadith isn't weak. It's a sahih.


I know the difference between the hadith and the Quran I have moslem family members.

Lawag3:
Hadith are part of Islam. And this hadith isn't weak. It's a sahih.


I know the difference between the hadith and the Quran I have moslem family members.

Go to your Muslim family members let them explain it to you

I won't engage in religious discourse here

IMEI:
He should have shown gratitude by betraying his people?

Your posts are usually more intelligent than this, I hope you're holding up well

Betraying OK he didn't become an Israeli agent he became leader of Hamas planned a terrorist attack that killed 1200 Jewish CIVILLIANS and kidnapped hundreds more . Which lead to the death of thousands of Palestinians both Hamas combatants and innocent civilians. Which also lead to his Death.



He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

Lawag3:
Hadith are part of Islam. And this hadith isn't weak. It's a sahih.


I know the difference between the hadith and the Quran I have moslem family members.

Do you deliberately spell it as "moslem" because you think it is annoying?

IMEI:
How does this absolve them of war crimes?

Was Israel the only country charged with PLAUSIBLE war crimes?
Was Yahya Sinwar not also added to the list by the ICC prosecutor?
There is a reason I wrote Plausible in capital letters above.
By the strict definition of genocide, three conditions must be fulfilled.

1. It must be pre-planned
2. It must be targeted against a particular group of people.
3. It must be designed to significantly wipe out a large number of the targeted group of people.

If anything, Hamas is more likely to be guilty of genocide than Israel because it is clear that the October 7 attack was pre-planned and targeted against the Israelites and at the same time designed to totally eliminate Israel (Let me remind you that the pre-amble of Hamas constitution is a vow to exterminate Israel).
As for Israel on the other hand, it is clear that the retaliation was not pre-planned but rather a retaliation that is spiralling out of control.

IMEI:
Go to your Muslim family members let them explain it to you

I won't engage in religious discourse here

The bottom line here is that Muslims are obligated to kill Jews.


Hence the Islamic resistance movement of Hamas, The party of Allah wants to kill Jews.

Lawag3:
Betraying OK he didn't become an Israeli agent he became leader of Hamas planned a terrorist attack that killed 1200 Jewish CIVILLIANS and kidnapped hundreds more . Which lead to the death of thousands of Palestinians both Hamas combatants and innocent civilians. Which also lead to his Death.



He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

And don't forget, made him an orphan, a refugee, a prisoner, killed many of his family members, tortured him etc

shoodboi2:
Do you deliberately spell it as "moslem" because you think it is annoying?

Nope I generally don't care about the spelling sometimes I spell it as Muslim other times as moslem.

Sorry if it annoys you I'll spell it correctly from now on.

Lawag3:
The bottom line here is that Muslims are obligated to kill Jews.


Hence the Islamic resistance movement of Hamas, The party of Allah wants to kill Jews.

Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

IMEI:
Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

Rest!!!!
Muhammed himself killed over 1000 Jews in his lifetime

IMEI:
Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

What he quoted was not a lie. Muslims are obligated to kill Jews and not to even relate with Christians at all.
I am well versed in Islamic law as well as customary law.

Gbadebo19:
Was Israel the only country charged with PLAUSIBLE war crimes?
Was Yahya Sinwar not also added to the list by the ICC prosecutor?
There is a reason I wrote Plausible in capital letters above.
By the strict definition of genocide, three conditions must be fulfilled.

1. It must be pre-planned
2. It must be targeted against a particular group of people.
3. It must be designed to significantly wipe out a large number of the targeted group of people.

If anything, Hamas is more likely to be guilty of genocide than Israel because it is clear that the October 7 attack was pre-planned and targeted against the Israelites and at the same time designed to totally eliminate Israel (Let me remind you that the pre-amble of Hamas constitution is a vow to exterminate Israel).
As for Israel on the other hand, it is clear that the retaliation was not pre-planned but rather a retaliation that is spiralling out of control.

There's nothing like it must be pre-planned, there must be intention to commit genocide

Once again, how does this absolve them of war crimes?

Lawag3:
The bottom line here is that Muslims are obligated to kill Jews.


Hence the Islamic resistance movement of Hamas, The party of Allah wants to kill Jews.

GBAMSOLUTELY

IMEI:
He didn't betray his people but he killed people who saved his life.

And don't forget, made him an orphan, a refugee, a prisoner, killed many of his family members, tortured him etc

There's no record of Israel killing sinwar's parents. Israel didn't start the 1945 Arab war that made Palestinians refugees.

He became a prisoner because he killed two Jews and four Palestinians he felt where siding with the Jews.

The last two may be true.


Sinwar hates Jews

IMEI:
There's nothing like it must be pre-planned, there must be intention to commit genocide

Once again, how does this absolve them of war crimes?

Don't go into a discourse you know nothing about.
Mere intention is never a crime. It only becomes a crime when you start taking steps to bring it into action. Reason why the word "pre-planned" was used. Legal provisions are not just a bunch of English sentences.

Gbadebo19:
What he quoted was not a lie. Muslims are obligated to kill Jews and not to even relate with Christians at all.
I am well versed in Islamic law as well as customary law.

Aren't the same Muslims permitted to Marry Jews and Christians and eat their food? And aren't they given a title of "People of the Book" in the Muslim holy book the Qur'an?

How do you reconcile that with your claims above?

IMEI:
Aren't the same Muslims permitted to Marry Jews and Christians and eat their food? And aren't they given a title of "People of the Book" in the Muslim holy book the Qur'an?

How do you reconcile that with your claims above?

How does that invalidate the fact that they are required to kill Jews. Should we start talking about "Tahqiyyah" that allows Muslims to deceive?

Gbadebo19:
Don't go into a discourse you know nothing about.
Mere intention is never a crime. It only becomes a crime when you start taking steps to bring it into action. Reason why the word "pre-planned" was used. Legal provisions are not just a bunch of English sentences.

I'm a lawyer, you're a wannabe

Gbadebo19:
How does that invalidate the fact that they are required to kill Jews. Should we start talking about "Tahqiyyah" that allows Muslims to deceive?

Maybe they are required to marry their corpse and eat their rotten flesh after killing them

That makes sense

Ghostagain:
The only way for AU to even make sense is to return to precolonial borders and systems of governance.

Also, the AU itself was initiated by an African King.

Unfortunately, it's long gone.

IMEI:
Jews were treated better in Muslim Countries than Christian Europe

So much for Muslims being obligated to kill jews

Yeah I agree with that they were treated better but were still inferiors
In year 20 of the Muslim era, or the year 641 CE, Muhammad's successor the Caliph Umar decreed that Jews and Christians should be removed from all but the southern and eastern fringes of Arabia—a decree based one saying of Muhammad: "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". The two populations in question were the Jews of the Khaybar oasis in the north and the Christians of Najran
Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.


Persecutions happened but not to the scale of Europe.


Bottom line is the Bible doest have a verse where Christians are told to kill and maltreat Jews or people of other religions, the Quran does.

Lawag3:
Yeah I agree with that they were treated better but were still inferiors
In year 20 of the Muslim era, or the year 641 CE, Muhammad's successor the Caliph Umar decreed that Jews and Christians should be removed from all but the southern and eastern fringes of Arabia—a decree based one saying of Muhammad: "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". The two populations in question were the Jews of the Khaybar oasis in the north and the Christians of Najran
Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.


Persecutions happened but not to the scale of Europe.


Bottom line is the Bible doest have a verse where Christians are told to kill and maltreat Jews or people of other religions, the Quran does.

At least you admitted to this

Let's leave this here , I won't argue religious points on this thread. Maybe some other thread, not this one

Lawag3:
There's no record of Israel killing sinwar's parents. Israel didn't start the 1945 Arab war that made Palestinians refugees.

He became a prisoner because he killed two Jews and four Palestinians he felt where siding with the Jews.

The last two may be true.


Sinwar hates Jews

Okay man

I like that you do concede some points, get well bro

IMEI:
I'm a lawyer, you're a wannabe

By God, you are not a lawyer!!!!
You don't even know how to interpret statutes.
It says, any of the following act COMMITTED....
That means any of the underlisted act MUST be committed.

A mere intention to commit it does not make a genocide. Go back to school, my friend.

If we go by your logic and I primarily wish that a certain group in X country be killed in large numbers, does that mean I have committed Genocide? Definitely NO. I will only commit genocide if any of the understlisted acts occur or be liable for attempted genocide if I begin to take steps to carry it out.
As long as the underlisted acts do not occur, there is no genocide, the worst that can occur is an attempted genocide.

GO BACK TO SCHOOL

IMEI:
At least you admitted to this

Let's leave this here , I won't argue religious points on this thread. Maybe some other thread, not this one

Fine with me