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I am amazed at those discouraging Christians from paying tithe on the ground that Jesus and his Apostles didn't collect tithe.

The teachings of our Lord Jesus on giving placed a demand on us far bigger than tithe. Tithing is 10% of your income or increase. But Jesus demanded 100% of not just our income but of our possessions.

Evidence No 1 - His encounter with the rich young ruler.

Mark 10:17-21.
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, SELL WHATSOEVER THOU HAS, AND GIVE TO THE POOR, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Notice verse 21. He told the young rich man, "sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor". He didn't ask him for 10% of his income or resources. He asked him to sell all he had and give it to the poor.

The young rich ruler couldn't do it. Rather, he went away sad. He never Jesus was showing him the way to true riches. He would have become far richer than he was if he had obeyed.

It's true that the recipient of the giving wasn't the Pastors but the poor. If our Lord Jesus demanded such sacrifices for the poor, do you think he cares less for his ministers?

Another argument is that he wasn't talking to everyone. The second evidence will prove otherwise:

Evidence No 2

Luke 12:32-33
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 SELL THAT YE HAVE, AND GIVE ALMS; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

The instruction our Lord Jesus gave above was to his disciples. And that translates to us all for we have all become the disciples of Christ.

Evidence No 3 - The early church practiced it all two recorded occasions:

Acts 2:42-45
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And SOLD THEIR POSSESSIONS AND GOODS, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Second Occasion

Acts 4:32-35
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were POSSESSIONS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

My question to those who condemn tithing is this, can they sell their possessions and drop the money at the feet of their Pastors so they can share to those in need? If the answer is no, they should all stop condemning those paying tithe.

My only counsel to churches that collect tithe is that they should remember the poor from time to time as it was done in the Old Testament.


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Ken4Christ:
I am amazed at those discouraging Christians from paying tithe on the ground that Jesus and his Apostles didn't collect tithe.

The teachings of our Lord Jesus on giving placed a demand on us far bigger than tithe. Tithing is 10% of your income or increase. But Jesus demanded 100% of not just our income but of our possessions.

Evidence No 1 - His encounter with the rich young ruler.

Mark 10:17-21.
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, SELL WHATSOEVER THOU HAS, AND GIVE TO THE POOR, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Notice verse 21. He told the young rich man, "sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor". He didn't ask him for 10% of his income or resources. He asked him to sell all he had and give it to the poor.

The young rich ruler couldn't do it. Rather, he went away sad. He never Jesus was showing him the way to true riches. He would have become far richer than he was if he had obeyed.

It's true that the recipient of the giving wasn't the Pastors but the poor. If our Lord Jesus demanded such sacrifices for the poor, do you think he cares less for his ministers?

Another argument is that he wasn't talking to everyone. The second evidence will prove otherwise:

Evidence No 2

Luke 12:32-33
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 SELL THAT YE HAVE, AND GIVE ALMS; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

The instruction our Lord Jesus gave above was to his disciples. And that translates to us all for we have all become the disciples of Christ.

Evidence No 3 - The early church practiced it all two recorded occasions:

Acts 2:42-45
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And SOLD THEIR POSSESSIONS AND GOODS, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Second Occasion

Acts 4:32-35
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were POSSESSIONS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

My question to those who condemn tithing is this, can they sell their possessions and drop the money at the feet of their Pastors so they can share to those in need? If the answer is no, they should all stop condemning those paying tithe.

My only counsel to churches that collect tithe is that they should remember the poor from time to time as it was done in the Old Testament.


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Give to the poor. He never instructed anybody to sell what they had or bring their fruits to fund the flamboyant lifestyles of rich prophets or Pastors or clergymen.

kingreign:
Give to the poor. He never instructed anybody to sell what they had or bring their fruits to fund the flamboyant lifestyles of rich prophets or Pastors or clergymen.

Good, are those condemning tithing practicing this instruction since they are looking for what is practiced in the New Testament?

Anti tithers can't answer my question. They are indirect agents of darkness with the intention of crippling the church finances

One of the reasons God demanded tithe was to primarily sustain the Levites under the Old Testament is that if he ask the other tribes to just give whatever amount to support the Levites, they will go hungry serving the Lord.

In the same sense, there are so many servants of God serving in the house of God today most of which are on full time. In addition, the church employs staff most of which are university graduates. How to you expect them to be paid if there is not a structure to get funds for their salaries.

So, tithing is commonsense. Just the way government collect tax to maintain infrastructures, you pay tithe to maintain the house of God and sustain the workers in the house.

Don't weaken the church finance through anti tithe doctrines.

It's true that there are no explicit instructions given under the New Testament to collect tithe. There are also not a single instruction asking us to stop it.

In fact Jesus has given authority to the church to determine what it permits and what it does not permit - Matthew 18:18.

Most of the anti tithers built their ministries through it. And because they now have various investments that generates funds, they want to kill young ministries.

#stoptheantitithecampaign

People are gaining their freedom from spiritual bondage [John 8:32} business is over!

MaxInDHouse:
People are gaining their freedom from spiritual bondage [John 8:32} business is over!

How can you understand spiritual truth when you don't have the Spirit of Christ? Your blindness is pathetic

Ken4Christ:
How can you understand spiritual truth when you don't have the Spirit of Christ? Your blindness is pathetic

In its present form they've turned tithing to a money scheme that's why the uproar and it's the plan of the devil to deprive people of the benefits of tithing through the introduction of unscrupulous elements claiming to be prophets

Ken4Christ:
How can you understand spiritual truth when you don't have the Spirit of Christ? Your blindness is pathetic

The spirit of Christ?

Well i can prove it that you know nothing about the spirit of Christ all you do is the churchy things in Christendom without having accurate knowledge of truth!

MaxInDHouse:
The spirit of Christ?

Well i can prove it that you know nothing about the spirit of Christ all you do is the churchy things in Christendom without having accurate knowledge of truth!

If only you are aware of the doom that awaits you in hell, you will turn from your wicked ways and embrace the truth. Jehovah Witness organisation are the most wicked people on earth. They turn people away from the truth of God's word and make them double candidate of hell.

Ken4Christ:
I am amazed at those discouraging Christians from paying tithe on the ground that Jesus and his Apostles didn't collect tithe.

The teachings of our Lord Jesus on giving placed a demand on us far bigger than tithe. Tithing is 10% of your income or increase. But Jesus demanded 100% of not just our income but of our possessions.

Evidence No 1 - His encounter with the rich young ruler.

Mark 10:17-21.
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.

19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, SELL WHATSOEVER THOU HAS, AND GIVE TO THE POOR, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Notice verse 21. He told the young rich man, "sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor". He didn't ask him for 10% of his income or resources. He asked him to sell all he had and give it to the poor.

The young rich ruler couldn't do it. Rather, he went away sad. He never Jesus was showing him the way to true riches. He would have become far richer than he was if he had obeyed.

It's true that the recipient of the giving wasn't the Pastors but the poor. If our Lord Jesus demanded such sacrifices for the poor, do you think he cares less for his ministers?

Another argument is that he wasn't talking to everyone. The second evidence will prove otherwise:

Evidence No 2

Luke 12:32-33
32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 SELL THAT YE HAVE, AND GIVE ALMS; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

The instruction our Lord Jesus gave above was to his disciples. And that translates to us all for we have all become the disciples of Christ.

Evidence No 3 - The early church practiced it all two recorded occasions:

Acts 2:42-45
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And SOLD THEIR POSSESSIONS AND GOODS, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Second Occasion

Acts 4:32-35
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were POSSESSIONS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

My question to those who condemn tithing is this, can they sell their possessions and drop the money at the feet of their Pastors so they can share to those in need? If the answer is no, they should all stop condemning those paying tithe.

My only counsel to churches that collect tithe is that they should remember the poor from time to time as it was done in the Old Testament.


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My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

Ken4Christ:
If only you are aware of the doom that awaits you in hell, you will turn from your wicked ways and embrace the truth. Jehovah Witness organisation are the most wicked people on earth. They turn people away from the truth of God's word and make them double candidate of hell.

Your usual ungrounded assertions!

Your fairy Hell makes sense to no one on this matter, you've been proved faithless regarding God's word.

The tithe has been proved false in Christianity now everyone knows that neither the Israelites, Christ Jesus nor his disciples practiced monetary tithing.

Shame on spiritual thieves!

paxonel:
My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

100% truth!

YOU ARE RIGHT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
LET YOUR GOOD WORK SHINE BEFORE PEOPLE THAT THEY MAY GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN.

kingreign:
Give to the poor. He never instructed anybody to sell what they had or bring their fruits to fund the flamboyant lifestyles of rich prophets or Pastors or clergymen.

Did you not read that the priests and levites later became corrrupt and lived like these pastors? And is it not them who God judged and punished along with the sinfull nation?

paxonel:
My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

Tithing is a type of giving especially when you see that the levites also had the responsibility of taking care of the poor and strangers since they were the God appointed rulers (government) of Isreal. So, tithe is technically a tax where no human compells you to pay.

Ken4Christ:
One of the reasons God demanded tithe was to primarily sustain the Levites under the Old Testament is that if he ask the other tribes to just give whatever amount to support the Levites, they will go hungry serving the Lord.

In the same sense, there are so many servants of God serving in the house of God today most of which are on full time. In addition, the church employs staff most of which are university graduates. How to you expect them to be paid if there is not a structure to get funds for their salaries.

So, tithing is commonsense. Just the way government collect tax to maintain infrastructures, you pay tithe to maintain the house of God and sustain the workers in the house.

Don't weaken the church finance through anti tithe doctrines.

It's true that there are no explicit instructions given under the New Testament to collect tithe. There are also not a single instruction asking us to stop it.

In fact Jesus has given authority to the church to determine what it permits and what it does not permit - Matthew 18:18.

Most of the anti tithers built their ministries through it. And because they now have various investments that generates funds, they want to kill young ministries.

#stoptheantitithecampaign

This is where you are wrong. If a person is truly called by God, then God will build him up. Tithe/offering is not for building a ministry, it is a fulfillment of duty.

Jesus ministry was not built on tithes/offerings.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is where you are wrong. If a person is truly called by God, then God will build him up. Tithe/offering is not for building a ministry, it is a fulfillment of duty.

Jesus ministry was not built on tithes/offerings.

Were the Levites under the Old Testament not chosen by God? God should have rained down their supply from heaven. 10% is even too small. We ought to give more. This is why our Lord Jesus demanded 100%.

MaxInDHouse:
Your usual ungrounded assertions!

Your fairy Hell makes sense to no one on this matter, you've been proved faithless regarding God's word.

The tithe has been proved false in Christianity now everyone knows that neither the Israelites, Christ Jesus nor his disciples practiced monetary tithing.

Shame on spiritual thieves!

If he'll is a fairy tale, then Jesus lied. But it is not a fairy tale. Jesus used different language to communicate it's existence but you turn blind eyes to them.

Jesus spoke about the gates of hell. Do graves have gates?

Jesus spoke about the keys of hell and death. Do graves have keys

Jesus said those in hell will weep and gnashed their teeth day and night. Do those in graves weep and gnashed their teeth.

Your problem is pride. Too proud to admit that you are wrong. And it will be your destruction.

paxonel:
My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

Then do what is Scriptural. Jesus said you should sell all that you have and give alms- Luke 12:33.

If you can't do it, remain silent on this subject for the rest of your life.

Ken4Christ:
Then do what is Scriptural. Jesus said you should sell all that you have and give alms- Luke 12:33.

If you can't do it, remain silent on this subject for the rest of your life.

how many of your property have you sold to give to the poor, you that is talking?
My guy rest
Una dey preach wetin una nor fit do, and una dey do wetin bible nor preach.
It's the same kind of error from your inability to read bible to your understanding.

Bible nor preach tithing for Christians.
Even the Jews were them get the original covenant of tithing nor dey practice the fraud

Ken4Christ:
Were the Levites under the Old Testament not chosen by God? God should have rained down their supply from heaven. 10% is even too small. We ought to give more. This is why our Lord Jesus demanded 100%.

You are changing the argument and the bottomline is that you did not see the levites appoint themselves priests nor did they demand contributions to raise themselves to be a ministry.

You obviously are thinking of joining the thieves on pulpits. Don't do it oo if you love your soul.

paxonel:
My guy, go rest.
Giving is not tithing

You can choose to give whatever percentage you want to give, you can also choose not to give anything, it is all up to you.
But tithing is fraudulent and compulsory exploitation by cajoling /Threatening the church, for their10% which isn't scriptural in the new testament gospel

"Scriptural in the new testament gospel"
May I remind you that Jesus said he didn't come to change the law but instead of the slaughter of cows and goats along with other tradition inspired from the "old testament" you have the law of Grace and as op pointed out the early church did infact give more than 10% - they gave all one towards another.

paxonel:
how many of your property have you sold to give to the poor, you that is talking?
My guy rest
Una dey preach wetin una nor fit do, and una dey do wetin bible nor preach.
It's the same kind of error from your inability to read bible to your understanding.

Bible nor preach tithing for Christians.
Even the Jews were them get the original covenant of tithing nor dey practice the fraud

Tithing is a thing of appreciation and love towards God, early mankind(as seen in Genesis- Cain and Abel) brought their first fruits before God.

As in the codified law it became a means to service not only the levite but also the poor of the land.

In Christ's day, the pharisees along with their modern counterparts became more obsessed with tithing as opposed to "justice, faith etc" which are more weightier aspects of the law!

Don't get it wrong he didn't condemn tithing or say it was wrong but he corrected them(pharisees) for putting the cart before the horse!

Dtruthspeaker:
You are changing the argument and the bottomline is that you did not see the levites appoint themselves priests nor did they demand contributions to raise themselves to be a ministry.

You obviously are thinking of joining the thieves on pulpits. Don't do it oo if you love your soul.

Some might argue that God picked randomly why didn't he pick Judah for instance?
But you notice something they made peace with the decision of God because there was an absolute reference to it(confirmations and circumstances that brought about the segregation of levi unto God) but now when someone walks up to you claiming he is a prophet you can't vouch as to whether he truly is but one thing is certain "By their fruits you shall know them"

Many false prophets will rise up but by the works of their hands you will know which one is from God.

That should not stop you because some malfeasance have taken a liking to stealing church money in the name of tithing that you shouldn't do your own part.

Leave them to God (Judgement is his' anyway)

Ken4Christ:
If he'll is a fairy tale, then Jesus lied. But it is not a fairy tale. Jesus used different language to communicate it's existence but you turn blind eyes to them.
Jesus spoke about the gates of hell. Do graves have gates?
Jesus spoke about the keys of hell and death. Do graves have keys
Jesus said those in hell will weep and gnashed their teeth day and night. Do those in graves weep and gnashed their teeth.

You keep on seeking ways to dodge the truth as if Hellfire is the topic of discussion here but i will respond to expose your insensitivity.
God's word says:


Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the mountains shout joyfully together. Psalms 98:8

Do rivers have hands to clap?
Do mountains have mouth to shout?

Learn from God's word!

Ken4Christ:
Your problem is pride. Too proud to admit that you are wrong. And it will be your destruction.

Face the reality tithing was, is and will never be part of true Christianity!

Gabrielshow24:
Tithing is a thing of appreciation and love towards God, early mankind(as seen in Genesis- Cain and Abel) brought their first fruits before God.

true

As in the codified law it became a means to service not only the levite but also the poor of the land.

true
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n Christ's day, the pharisees along with their modern counterparts became more obsessed with tithing as opposed to "justice, faith etc" which are more weightier aspects of the law!

very true

Don't get it wrong he didn't condemn tithing or say it was wrong but he corrected them(pharisees) for putting the cart before the horse!

He did institute it in Christianity either, so why are today pastors forcing it on Christians?

Gabrielshow24:
"Scriptural in the new testament gospel"
May I remind you that Jesus said he didn't come to change the law but instead of the slaughter of cows and goats along with other tradition inspired from the "old testament" you have the law of Grace and as op pointed out the early church did infact give more than 10% - they gave all one towards another.

The early church did not pay tithe to Peter and Paul but they give to one another, yes or no?

paxonel:
The early church did not pay tithe to Peter and Paul but they give to one another, yes or no?

The point of the op and of the bible is that they gave all which far defeats 10%.
Except if you can prove Jesus wrong then fine by me.

paxonel:
true
true
I very true
He did institute it in Christianity either, so why are today pastors forcing it on Christians?

As regards your question.
There is no love or rather put the love of many has waxed cold.
Pastors are aware hence by making tithing a physical obligation(compulsory) even though spiritual it is so that they can be able to use this funds for themselves and play into the levites arc and the biblical verse "thou shalt not muzzle the ox which tread the corn" and "the labourer is worthy of his hire".
Now as opposed to early church leaders which didn't use the money for themselves but instead for the needs of the members because technically the church is the congregation not the building these modern pastors use it for personal gain forgetting the major reason why the money was earmarked in the first place as a result most of them suffer from their own greed and being excommunicated from the realities of their church members.

Take Paul for example he had every reason and even far more to receive from the people but he chose not to but instead followed in the self same example laid down by Jesus. His sustenance depending on God, he used his skills(tent making to meet his basic needs where necessary).
How hard do you think it is to find a modern replica?

That's the problem.
They know the right thing to do but won't do it but rather just follow the same narrative.

This should not discourage you to do your own duty to God.
Judgement is God's.

MaxInDHouse:
You keep on seeking ways to dodge the truth as if Hellfire is the topic of discussion here but i will respond to expose your insensitivity.
God's word says:


Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the mountains shout joyfully together. Psalms 98:8

Do rivers have hands to clap?
Do mountains have mouth to shout?

Learn from God's word!


Face the reality tithing was, is and will never be part of true Christianity!

You condemn tithe because the New Testament didn't give explicit instructions about it. Are you obeying the instructions our Lord Jesus gave concerning giving?

He said that you should sell all you have and give alms to the poor- Luke 12:33. This is giving 100%. Are you obeying this instruction?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are changing the argument and the bottomline is that you did not see the levites appoint themselves priests nor did they demand contributions to raise themselves to be a ministry.

You obviously are thinking of joining the thieves on pulpits. Don't do it oo if you love your soul.

I am on point. To understand God's way, you have to find out how he dealt with his servants of old.

It's just like our government policy. No new government will come into power and throw away policies that aids development.

So, if God demanded 10% for the upkeep of his servants under the Old Testament, do you think we should give less under the New Testament?