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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 10:59pm On Oct 21, 2024
Emusan:
Jesus is God Almighty who crated everything in the universe including YOU!



Jesus has been Almighty before creation of time.



Just as Jesus admitted that Him and His Father ARE ONE! Which even your lie lie organization understood to be "ONE IN INTENT" which means even before the Father took the decision the Son already knows as well.

Olodo...
Emusan LYING miscreant,
Hebrew language Micah 5:2 prophecy about Jesus Christ.
"His ORIGIN (beginning/start) is from the days of old ,a long time ago ( the days of yore)"

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 11:32pm On Oct 21, 2024
MightySparrow:
In all your responses you show ignorance more than knowledge.

What gender is God or any angel?
*
Did any angel have one on one conversations with a human being in your Bible?
Yes.

**
Did Jesus Christ a spirit being in heaven had one on one conversations with Saul on earth @Acts 9:3-6?
Yes.

Did Jehovah God, the Supreme Spirit Being had one on one conversations with Moses @ Exodus 6:1-3?
Yes.

Oga Sparrow wey get knowledge, where is the verse & chapter of your ghost deity one on one conversation with a human being in your Bible?
None.

God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28) is not a being.
Your Trinitarian mentors made God's finger a deity in 381 AD.Go & verify.
Dummy Sparrow

grin grin
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Aemmyjah(m): 3:27am On Oct 22, 2024
Emusan:
Just as Jesus admitted that Him and His Father ARE ONE! Which even your lie lie organization understood to be "ONE IN INTENT" which means even before the Father took the decision the Son already knows as well.

Olodo...
If Emusan says
My wife and I are one
Does that mean you and your wife are the same person?

Remember Jesus prayed that his disciples should be one just as the father and himself are one and they be united into him and the father
If I follow your logic, then there's nothing to distinguish between the 12 since they're all one person
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Sand2022(op): 6:31am On Oct 22, 2024
Janosky:

FACT:

Oga Sand2022, your ghost deity never gave Paul a conflicting info @ Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3.
Oga Sand2022, your interpretation of Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3 is very faulty,built on quicksand.

The Evidence is this:
Trinitarian Sand2022:
@ Colossians 2:9, "Jesus is fully God".

Trinitarian Bill Mounce:
@ Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT fully God "

Why is the same ghost deity invented in 381 AD confusing Sand2022 & Bill Mounce ,Greek Bible scholar?

Trinity is a FRAUDULENT doctrine invented by men.
"The Colossians (2v9) were taught that Jesus is NOT fully God,& this is the very reason for the caution against false philosophy" of men.

Oga Sand,Go and convince Bill Mounce, your fellow Trinitarian.
Nah your ghost deity give am the Intel conflicting with your claim about Hebrew 1:3 & Colossians 2:9.

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You remember why I don't respond to your comments?
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by johnw47:
Janosky:
*
Did any angel have one on one conversations with a human being in your Bible?
Yes.
**
Did Jesus Christ a spirit being in heaven had one on one conversations with Saul on earth @Acts 9:3-6?
Yes.
Did Jehovah God, the Supreme Spirit Being had one on one conversations with Moses @ Exodus 6:1-3?
Yes.
Oga Sparrow wey get knowledge, where is the verse & chapter of your ghost deity one on one conversation with a human being in your Bible?
None.
God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28) is not a being.
Your Trinitarian mentors made God's finger a deity in 381 AD.Go & verify.
Dummy Sparrow

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ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

talk about a dummy, you don't understand God's word at all

The Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger, God's finger there is referring to God's Power Who is the Holy Spirit
just as Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb, the Lamb of God is referring to Jesus' innocence and to Him being offered up

Luk_11:20  But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Joh 1:29  The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 8:11pm On Oct 23, 2024
johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


[s]lost fraud jw janosky

talk about a dummy, you don't understand God's word at all
[/s]

"The Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger," God's finger there is referring to God's Power Who is the Holy Spirit
just as Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb, the Lamb of God is referring to Jesus' innocence and to Him being offered up

Luk_11:20  But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Joh 1:29  The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
John W dunce ADDING to the holy scriptures
John W LYING miscreant : Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger.

Jesus said: holy spirit is God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28).

Jesus said the scriptures can not be broken.
Oga, carry your IBERIBEISM komot from this public forum.
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Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 8:22pm On Oct 23, 2024
Sand2022:
You remember why I don't respond to your comments?
Sand2022,read the 2 screenshots & please continue WAILING.

You can not do NOTHING about this evidence;


The Evidence is this:
Trinitarian Sand2022:
@ Colossians 2:9, "Jesus is fully God".

Trinitarian Bill Mounce:
@ Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT fully God "
Food for serious thought:

Why is the same ghost deity invented in 381 AD confusing Sand2022 & Bill Mounce ,Greek Bible scholar with conflicting info?
grin grin

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by johnw47:
Janosky:
John W dunce ADDING to the holy scriptures
John W LYING miscreant : Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger.
Jesus said: holy spirit is God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28).
Jesus said the scriptures can not be broken.
Oga, carry your IBERIBEISM komot from this public forum.
grin
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janonsense

Joh_14:26  But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

so according to you, when Father sends the Holy Spirit, HE literally sends His finger,
there are none more dum than you fraud jw's

talk about a dunce, you believe that the Holy Spirit is literally God's finger and that Jesus Christ is literally a lamb
oh know nothing false accuser like your daddy

Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by johnw47: 10:46pm On Oct 23, 2024
Janosky:
Sand2022,read the 2 screenshots & please continue WAILING.
You can not do NOTHING about this evidence;
The Evidence is this:
Trinitarian Sand2022:
@ Colossians 2:9, "Jesus is fully God".
Trinitarian Bill Mounce:
@ Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT fully God "
Food for serious thought:

Why is the same ghost deity invented in 381 AD confusing Sand2022 & Bill Mounce ,Greek Bible scholar with conflicting info?
grin grin
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janonsense

truly the Christians Holy Spirit wasn't invented and doesn't confuse people
but you love to continually blaspheme Him:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:06am On Oct 24, 2024
Aemmyjah:
If Emusan says
My wife and I are one
Does that mean you and your wife are the same person?
No!

Has anyone ever said Jesus and His Father are the SAME PERSON?

Remember Jesus prayed that his disciples should be one just as the father and himself are one and they be united into him and the father
If I follow your logic, then there's nothing to distinguish between the 12 since they're all one person
From where did you read it in my post that I'm trying to claim that Jesus and the Father are ONE PERSON?
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:09am On Oct 24, 2024
Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant,
Hebrew language Micah 5:2 prophecy about Jesus Christ.
"His ORIGIN (beginning/start) is from the days of old ,a long time ago ( the days of yore)"
If not because your brain is painning you.

Those phrases you used are the same as ETERNITY.

Nothing like BEGINNING IN ETERNITY

Oponu JaNosense
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 9:15am On Oct 24, 2024
Petalss:
What is a glorified body? Does anyone else possess this glorified body, or is it unique to Jesus alone?
A glorified body is a mortar taking up incorruptible.

No! Glorified body is after resurrection.

Regarding God's plan from the beginning: His original intention was not for humans to die. What kind of nature did Adam possess when God planned for them to live eternally?
The nature of Adam is still the same today which HUMAN

And what happened to that nature, resulting in the eventual reality of death?
The nature got corrupted, tainted with sin and became prone to death.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Aemmyjah(m): 2:19pm On Oct 24, 2024
Emusan:
No!

Has anyone ever said Jesus and His Father are the SAME PERSON?



From where did you read it in my post that I'm trying to claim that Jesus and the Father are ONE PERSON?
I admit I misunderstood you
And I'm happy you disagree with trinitarians interpretation of that verse that Jesus and God are not the same
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 5:22pm On Oct 24, 2024
Aemmyjah:
I admit I misunderstood you
Better

And I'm happy you disagree with trinitarians interpretation of that verse that Jesus and God are not the same
You don't even know Trinitarian position yet you want to argue against it.


No Trinitarians have ever said Jesus and the Father ARE THE SAME based on that Jesus statement "I and the Father are one"

What Trinitarian infer from that verse is that, Jesus placed Himself on equal level with the Father.

O ma se ooo
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Aemmyjah(m): 8:26am On Oct 25, 2024
Emusan:
Better



You don't even know Trinitarian position yet you want to argue against it.


No Trinitarians have ever said Jesus and the Father ARE THE SAME based on that Jesus statement "I and the Father are one"

What Trinitarian infer from that verse is that, Jesus placed Himself on equal level with the Father.

O ma se ooo
Did Jesus said that him and the father are equal or that the Father is greater than he is?

Go and Google the trinitarian definition and interpretation of John 10:30 and educate the OP
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 1:20pm On Oct 25, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Did Jesus said that him and the father are equal or that the Father is greater than he is?
The content of John 10:30 is at play here!

Even when Jesus made that statement, the people who heard Him loud and clear picked up stone.

Go and Google the trinitarian definition and interpretation of John 10:30 and educate the OP
You're asking me to Google.

Is Trinity not interpretated as THREE PERSONS in one God cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

So, how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

It's evident you don't even understand the position of Trinitarian in the first place.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky:
Emusan:
The content of John 10:30 is at play here!

Even when Jesus made that statement, the people who heard Him loud and clear picked up stone.

You're asking me to Google.

Is Trinity not interpretated as THREE PERSONS in one God cheesy grin cheesy grin grin

So, how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

It's evident you don't even understand the position of Trinitarian in the first place
.
According to Emusan ,Steep & ken4....
Emusan post:
"Jesus is God Almighty who created everything.
Emusan post:
So,how can the same Trinitarian Emusan now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

Also according to Emusan referencing his claim about Isaiah 44:24.
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The evidence loud very much.

grin grin grin grin grin

Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 5:23pm On Oct 13, 2025
Emusan:
Better


You don't even know Trinitarian position yet you want to argue against it.


No Trinitarians have ever said Jesus and the Father ARE THE SAME based on that Jesus statement "I and the Father are one"

What Trinitarian infer from that verse is that, Jesus placed Himself on equal level with the Father.

O ma se ooo
Whatever you infer is exactly what applied to Jesus disciples.

John 17:22 Humans Equal with the Father ?
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 5:24pm On Oct 13, 2025
Emusan:
If not because your brain is painning you.

Those phrases you used are the same as ETERNITY.

Nothing like BEGINNING IN ETERNITY

Oponu JaNosense
A " Son " always has a Beginning.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 6:19pm On Oct 13, 2025
Jozzy4:
Whatever you infer is exactly what applied to Jesus disciples.

John 17:22 Humans Equal with the Father ?
So the disciples SHARED GLORY with the Father before the World began cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 6:20pm On Oct 13, 2025
Jozzy4:
A " Son " always has a Beginning.
And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 8:25am On Oct 14, 2025
Emusan:
And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
It takes having a beginning to wear the " Son " badge. Someone in the Universe was never a Son.... That's the one without a beginning
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 8:26am On Oct 14, 2025
Emusan:
So the disciples SHARED GLORY with the Father before the World began cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Exactly "As"

Are you now ashamed of what you infer ?
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 2:15pm On Oct 14, 2025
Jozzy4:
Exactly "As"

Are you now ashamed of what you infer ?
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 2:16pm On Oct 14, 2025
Jozzy4:
It takes having a beginning to wear the " Son " badge. Someone in the Universe was never a Son.... That's the one without a beginning
But the someone was a FATHER.

You're not making sense. Try again!
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky:
Emusan:
But the someone was a FATHER.

You're not making sense. Try again!
Which verse in your own Bible addressed Yahweh with indefinite article ("a" ) a Father?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 7:41pm On Oct 14, 2025
Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.

John 17:22-24
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

@ John 17:22,24,Jesus told Emusan:
"I want the disciples to SHARE my glory (the Glory jesus shared with God @ John 17:5)

& see my glory that God gave me before the creation of the world".
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 11:06pm On Oct 14, 2025
Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.
Emusan post:
how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

John 17:22,24, the 3 are one sharing the same glory.

No mention of holy ghost in John 17:22,24.
No glory for holy ghost.

Emusan,are you saw that?

grin cheesy grin grin
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Janosky: 11:06pm On Oct 14, 2025
Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.
Emusan post:
how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

John 17:22,24, the 3 are one sharing the same glory.

No mention of holy ghost in John 17:22,24.
No glory for holy ghost @ John 17:22,24.

Emusan,are you saw that?

grin cheesy grin grin
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Emusan(m): 8:15am On Oct 15, 2025
Janosky:

John 17:22-24
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

@ John 17:22,24,Jesus told Emusan:
"I want the disciples to SHARE my glory (the Glory jesus shared with God @ John 17:5)

& see my glory that God gave me before the creation of the world".
Just one question is throwing you people off balance like this. cheesy grin cheesy grin

Where did the disciples SHARED GLORY WITH GOD before the World began

This is the simple question.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 11:39am On Oct 15, 2025
Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.
The point is the oneness is "Exactly as" based on scripture

Whatever you infer applies.
Re: JW PIMO Reconsiders The Trinity Doctrine. Part 1 by Jozzy4: 11:40am On Oct 15, 2025
Emusan:
But the someone was a FATHER.

You're not making sense. Try again!
The Father was never a Son. That's the distinction

Show me a single scripture he was called " Son " ?
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