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Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:25am On Oct 24, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Why was tithing included in the law of Moses?
To make room for the service of Levites whose duty is to help in offering sacrifices and burning of incense on the altar.
But their services were no longer required after Jesus has given everyone a direct link to the most High God through his SACRIFICIAL DEATH on the stake! Hebrews 9:14
So because the service of Levites are no longer required there is no need revisiting tithe because it's on the basis of their service tithe was instituted! Hebrews 7:5-12
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:11am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Lie Sir. Tithing predates the Law.

Heb.7.5 - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb.7.6 - But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb.7.9 - And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.



Abraham knew nothing about the Law.


Gal.3.17 - And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


Abraham and faith children are on the same level.

Isa.51.2 - Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isa.63.16 - Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.




This prophecy was directed to those who would join Israel later
And seeing as Abraham gave tithe once and for all, for did he give it again or was he required to do so regularly, does that mean others should also give it once and for all as well
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:13am On Oct 24, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Tithing was before the Law. We don't give tithe because the law says so. We do, because Abraham our father of faith paid tithe to Melchizedech long before the law was given. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.
and from what did Abraham give that tithe from so that we took can learn and follow his footsteps in giving tithe that way

And how do we meet this Melchizedek or those who are associated with him or represent him
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:17am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Nope.
You qouted what suits you.


Why did you omit the one that talks about Abraham's giving to Melchizedek and that even the Levites gave in Abraham?

Galatians 3:13-14
[13]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14 ] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The problem is that folks want the blessings of Abraham not his deeds.

Again,
Isa.51.1 - Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isa.51.2 - Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.


So, if Abraham is the owner of the blessings Jesus came to link us with, do his deeds. Even 10% is even smal.
10% is small to the rich to pay for what is free but is it small to the poor to whom the blessings is given to for free?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:18am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Yes. I know. Thanks for the observation. Many will be arguing that tithe is of the Law and it is not so.
is the tithe then of the "promise" or of the gospel?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:21am On Oct 24, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Why did God include it in the Law of Moses? Please, give an honest answer.
To take care of the Levites, to feed the poor, widows, orphans less privileged strangers etc, and for them to eat and celebrate before God, God's blessings upon the land for the past year.

🤔 What else ehmm 🤔
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 9:22am On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
10% is small to the rich to pay for what is free but is it small to the poor to whom the blessings is given to for free?
I don't understand.
Do you advocate not giving to God? If no, what percentage?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:24am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
I don't understand.
Do you advocate not giving to God? If no, what percentage?
you don't understand is that why you did not answer and you are asking me a question instead?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 9:25am On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
is the tithe then of the "promise" or of the gospel?
None of appreciation to God by Abraham, recognized by Jacob, made a Law to Israel to be more than 10% by Christians under grace.

So, do you now advocate nothing to be giving to God?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 9:26am On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
you don't understand is that why you did not answer and you are asking me a question instead?
Make your question clearer then.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:29am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
None of appreciation to God by Abraham, recognized by Jacob, made a Law to Israel to be more than 10% by Christians under grace.

So, do you now advocate nothing to be giving to God?
I am not am advocate o, but speaking of advocates, was it recorded in the gospels Jesus commanding you should to give money to God?


So you NONE, meaning tithe is neither part of the promise nor the gospel

But yet you write "more than 10% by Christians under grace." Please tell us what is your basis for this statement?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 9:30am On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
And seeing as Abraham gave tithe once and for all, for did he give it again or was he required to do so regularly, does that mean others should also give it once and for all as well
Nope, he met Melchizedek only once.
You meet your local church priests and workers and the needy everytime. So pay everytime.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 9:31am On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
I am not am advocate o, but speaking of advocates, was it recorded in the gospels Jesus commanding you should to give money to God?


So you NONE, meaning tithe is neither part of the promise nor the gospel

But yet you write "more than 10% by Christians under grace." Please tell us what is your basis for this statement?
Show me where Jesus condemned tithing and giving in the gospels.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:33am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Make your question clearer then.
you said 10% is even small

Then I am asking you is it small to the poor to whom the blessings are giving to for free?

Or are you saying God doesn't bless the poor or that his blessings to them are not for free? Or that God has to charge the poor for blessing them?

Because this blessings are according to you Abraham's blessings that are to be paid for right?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:34am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Show me where Jesus condemned tithing and giving in the gospels.
lol I should show you where, did I tell you Jesus did?

Even if he did, would you even accept it? 😏
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by gohf: 9:39am On Oct 24, 2024
MightySparrow:
Nope, he met Melchizedek only once.
You meet your local church priests and workers and the needy everytime. So pay everytime.
Melchizedek who's king that Abraham meet GAVE to, was probably not needy so Abraham didn't meet any single needy persons for such act to be recorded by Moses as an example.

How is this following Abraham's example
Are the local church priests Melchizedek?
Did Abraham pay every time?
Or are you making things up 😏?🙂
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MightySparrow: 2:17pm On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
Melchizedek who's king that Abraham meet GAVE to, was probably not needy so Abraham didn't meet any single needy persons for such act to be recorded by Moses as an example.

How is this following Abraham's example
Are the local church priests Melchizedek?
Did Abraham pay every time?
Or are you making things up 😏?🙂
Are twisting things or making things up?
Abraham met Melchizedek only once.
Later in Law, it was said that tithes was to be given to priests, and the needy.

So, Abraham gave to Melchizedek because he recognized him to be a representative of God.


So I don't see your point here. I still ask if you are advocating not giving anything to God?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Captain4Jehovah(m): 4:48pm On Oct 24, 2024
[ author=DZTech post=132529327]Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

Is Christ's redemption enough for your salvation, or do you need to pay tithes as 'jara', to top it off?

Is your pastor a Levite? Does he live without possessions as they did, thereby needing the support of , is it the tithes that you're supposed to eat yourself, that you're paying to pastors?
Or the one you're to share every 3 years between orphans, widows, strangers and Levites?
Which one are you paying to your pastor?

As important as you and your pastors make tithes seem to be, why didn't Christ preach and instruct His disciples about it?

How did Christians pay tithes in the New Testament? Surely, if that was the purpose of 'walking in Abraham's footsteps', they would've done so.
Right?

You are children of Abraham THROUGH FAITH, nothing more. If YOU are one of his children, then his his seed is in you. In this case, you must resemble him by paying your tithe.
Or do you have a concubine like he did?
So you want to endure the trials he passed through?
Do you pray to have kids at the age he did?
Do you expect to lie as he did and escape hell fire?

Abraham paying tithes as a personal choice has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with Christianity. Because Abraham was in his Father, YHWH. He possessed His spirit. God never asked Noah too to offer a sweet and pleasant sacrifice before He blessed him and made a new covenant the earth. Christians must do what so far we have Christ's spirit.
Andauthor=DZTech post=132529327]Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

Is Christ's redemption enough for your salvation, or do you need to pay tithes as 'jara', to top it off?

Is your pastor a Levite? Does he live without possessions as they did, thereby needing the support of , is it the tithes that you're supposed to eat yourself, that you're paying to pastors?
Or the one you're to share every 3 years between orphans, widows, strangers and Levites?
Which one are you paying to your pastor?

As important as you and your pastors make tithes seem to be, why didn't Christ preach and instruct His disciples about it?

How did Christians pay tithes in the New Testament? Surely, if that was the purpose of 'walking in Abraham's footsteps', they would've done so.
Right?

You are children of Abraham THROUGH FAITH, nothing more. If YOU are one of his children, then his his seed is in you. In this case, you must resemble him by paying your tithe.
Or do you have a concubine like he did?
So you want to endure the trials he passed through?
Do you pray to have kids at the age he did?
Do you expect to lie as he did and escape hell fire?

Abraham paying tithes as a personal choice has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with Christianity. Because Abraham was in his Father, YHWH. He possessed His spirit. God never asked Noah too to offer a sweet and pleasant sacrifice before He blessed him and made a new covenant the earth. Christians must do what is right so far we have Christ's spirit.
And whatever you choose to promise God IN NO WAY affects how you will be judged by Him. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
Time and again, Christ made it clear that our judgement will be based on how we live spiritually, through Love; and certainly NOT through any physical thing that we offer to God.

So paying tithes to your pastor doesn't add one jot to your spiritual gains.
How much more, to your salvation.
It adds your spirit author=DZTech post=132529327]Are you redeemed or not?
None of you answered.

Is Christ's redemption enough for your salvation, or do you need to pay tithes as 'jara', to top it off?

Is your pastor a Levite? Does he live without possessions as they did, thereby needing the support of , is it the tithes that you're supposed to eat yourself, that you're paying to pastors?
Or the one you're to share every 3 years between orphans, widows, strangers and Levites?
Which one are you paying to your pastor?

As important as you and your pastors make tithes seem to be, why didn't Christ preach and instruct His disciples about it?

How did Christians pay tithes in the New Testament? Surely, if that was the purpose of 'walking in Abraham's footsteps', they would've done so.
Right?

You are children of Abraham THROUGH FAITH, nothing more. If YOU are one of his children, then his his seed is in you. In this case, you must resemble him by paying your tithe.
Or do you have a concubine like he did?
So you want to endure the trials he passed through?
Do you pray to have kids at the age he did?
Do you expect to lie as he did and escape hell fire?

Abraham paying tithes as a personal choice has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with Christianity. Because Abraham was in his Father, YHWH. He possessed His spirit. God never asked Noah too to offer a sweet and pleasant sacrifice before He blessed him and made a new covenant the earth. Christians must And whatever you choose to promise God IN NO WAY affects how you will be judged by Him.
Time and again, Christ made it clear that our judgement will be based on how we live spiritually, through Love; and certainly NOT through any physical thing that we offer to God.

So paying tithes to your pastor doesn't add one jot to your spiritual gains.
How much more, to your salvation.


It adds to one's spiritual gains. Read Malachi 3:10-12. The more you relate with your Maker, YHWH the more you know WHO HE IS concerning your living as a born of God on earth.[/quote]whatever you choose to promise God IN NO WAY affects how you will be judged by Him.
Time and again, Christ made it clear that our judgement will be based on how we live spiritually, through Love; and certainly NOT through any physical thing that we offer to God.
YOU ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO IT IS BETTER YOU DON'T PROMISE HIM AT ALL.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 9:01pm On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
To take care of the Levites, to feed the poor, widows, orphans less privileged strangers etc, and for them to eat and celebrate before God, God's blessings upon the land for the past year.

🤔 What else ehmm 🤔
Thanks for your answer but your answer is not totally right. It was primarily meant to take care of the Levites. The extension to Widows and orphans were done once in 3 years.

And the feasting was done once in a year.

If God cares for those who serve him in his house under the Old Covenant established with the blood of bulls and goats, do you think he cares less about his servants under the New Testament who spread the word of eternal life and deliver souls from the kingdom of darkness?

Please, use your brain.

My only concern is that most churches neglect the poor in their midst.

So, the issue is not the tithe but how it is being managed.

Tithe strengthens the church financially.

If people are left to give whatever they want, the church would not have gotten to where it is today.

This is the last days. Evangelical activities requires funding and souls must be won into God's kingdom faster than they are snatched into hell.

The devil doesn't want it. So he attacks the practice of tithing to weaken the church.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 9:45pm On Oct 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
To make room for the service of Levites whose duty is to help in offering sacrifices and burning of incense on the altar.
But their services were no longer required after Jesus has given everyone a direct link to the most High God through his SACRIFICIAL DEATH on the stake! Hebrews 9:14
So because the service of Levites are no longer required there is no need revisiting tithe because it's on the basis of their service tithe was instituted! Hebrews 7:5-12
Are there not servants of God who render more important services in this dispensation than the Levites did? What service can be more important than saving souls?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 9:49pm On Oct 24, 2024
gohf:
and from what did Abraham give that tithe from so that we took can learn and follow his footsteps in giving tithe that way

And how do we meet this Melchizedek or those who are associated with him or represent him
Abraham gave Melchizedek tithes of all he had.

The writer of Hebrews in error said it was tithe of the spoils of war.

How could he have given tithe of the spoils when he rejected the spoils?

Melchizedek is a type of Christ. So, as we give our tithe, we are invariably giving honour to Jesus who is the head of the church.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:12am On Oct 25, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Are there not servants of God who render more important services in this dispensation than the Levites did? What service can be more important than saving souls?
Jesus said to them:

"You received free, give free" Matthew 10:8
But as for Levites they never received what they had freely it comes at the cost of their age long inheritance which God commanded Moses not to share to them while the rest of the tribes got their own inheritance:

“The Levitical priests, and indeed the entire tribe of Leʹvi, will not be given a share or an inheritance with Israel. They will eat of the offerings made by fire to Jehovah, which are his inheritance. So they should have no inheritance in the midst of their brothers. Jehovah is their inheritance, just as he has spoken to them" Deuteronomy 18:1-2

That's why they are to collect tithes from their brothers: Hebrews 7:5

"And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you" Deuteronomy 14:27

So whoever is collecting tithe in Christianity is a THIEF Lord Jesus said we must render our service FREE because we received FREE! Matthew 10:8
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 7:13am On Oct 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said to them:

"You received free, give free" Matthew 10:8
But as for Levites they never received what they had freely it comes at the cost of their age long inheritance which God commanded Moses not to share to them while the rest of the tribes got their own inheritance:

“The Levitical priests, and indeed the entire tribe of Leʹvi, will not be given a share or an inheritance with Israel. They will eat of the offerings made by fire to Jehovah, which are his inheritance. So they should have no inheritance in the midst of their brothers. Jehovah is their inheritance, just as he has spoken to them" Deuteronomy 18:1-2

That's why they are to collect tithes from their brothers: Hebrews 7:5

"And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you" Deuteronomy 14:27

So whoever is collecting tithe in Christianity is a THIEF Lord Jesus said we must render our service FREE because we received FREE! Matthew 10:8
So, you are not aware that there are many servants of God who don't earn salaries but are fully devoted to the work of the ministry. They are like the Levites.

Like I said earlier, God in his infinite wisdom demanded 10% from the other tribes. If he had just told the other tribes to support them with whatever they have, many of them would go hungry.

Under the New Testament, it is true that their is no definite instruction with regards to give 10% of our income to support ministers of the gospel. But there are instructions that they should be supported. Now, if those under the Old Testament supported the Levites with 10%, don't you think we should do much more under the New Testament?

Even our Lord Jesus cared enough for the poor that he demanded 100% to support them.

Apostle Paul personally put a structure in place in the Corinthians church where he demanded weekly support from them so saints in Jerusalem involved in the work of the ministry:

1st Corinthians 16:1-2
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

In Galatians, Apostle Paul aadmonished:

Galatians 6:6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

So, we are instructed to support servants of God who preach and teach Gods word to us. The least support we should give should be 10% of our income. This is God's method under the Old Testament and it seems reasonable to adopt it.

And no one gives this support and loses out. You will reap what you sow And the more you give, the greater the harvest. Thus it is written:

1st Corinthians 9:6
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Those who condemn tithing don't believe it can open doors of blessings for them. If they do, instead of asking people to stop, they will give more.

Pastors are not made rich through your tithes. They are made rich by what they give and how they give. Remember, there are so many poor Pastors who collect tithes. So, if you see a wealthy Pastor today, it's not the tithes he collects that made him rich. It is what he gives including his tithes that he gives that makes him rich. In case you are not aware, most of these Pastors pay tithes to their spiritual fathers or to ministries they receive inspirations from.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51am On Oct 26, 2024
Ken4Christ:
So, you are not aware that there are many servants of God who don't earn salaries but are fully devoted to the work of the ministry. They are like the Levites.

Like I said earlier, God in his infinite wisdom demanded 10% from the other tribes. If he had just told the other tribes to support them with whatever they have, many of them would go hungry.

Under the New Testament, it is true that their is no definite instruction with regards to give 10% of our income to support ministers of the gospel. But there are instructions that they should be supported. Now, if those under the Old Testament supported the Levites with 10%, don't you think we should do much more under the New Testament?

Even our Lord Jesus cared enough for the poor that he demanded 100% to support them.

Apostle Paul personally put a structure in place in the Corinthians church where he demanded weekly support from them so saints in Jerusalem involved in the work of the ministry:

1st Corinthians 16:1-2
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

In Galatians, Apostle Paul aadmonished:

Galatians 6:6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

So, we are instructed to support servants of God who preach and teach Gods word to us. The least support we should give should be 10% of our income. This is God's method under the Old Testament and it seems reasonable to adopt it.

And no one gives this support and loses out. You will reap what you sow And the more you give, the greater the harvest. Thus it is written:

1st Corinthians 9:6
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Those who condemn tithing don't believe it can open doors of blessings for them. If they do, instead of asking people to stop, they will give more.

Pastors are not made rich through your tithes. They are made rich by what they give and how they give. Remember, there are so many poor Pastors who collect tithes. So, if you see a wealthy Pastor today, it's not the tithes he collects that made him rich. It is what he gives including his tithes that he gives that makes him rich. In case you are not aware, most of these Pastors pay tithes to their spiritual fathers or to ministries they receive inspirations from.
NO!

The collection first century disciples of Christ were making is not for those who aren't doing anything to feed their families rather it's what they contributed to help their fellow believers in places where things were hard.
Read how it started back then:

Now after quite a number of years, I arrived to bring gifts of mercy to my nation and to make offerings. Act 24:17

For those in Mac·e·doʹni·a and A·chaʹia have been pleased to share their things by a contribution to the poor among the holy ones in Jerusalem. Romans 15:26

They asked only that we keep the poor in mind, and this I have also earnestly endeavored to do. Galatians 2:10


This they were doing as an equalizing to help their fellow believers in poor countries:

but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing 2 Corinthians 8:14

If anyone feels he or she is special or doing God a favor for being a Christian the Apostle say let such ones starve:

In fact, when we were with you, we used to give you this order: “[color=blue]If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 2Thessalonians 3:10[/b]

So there is no room for idleness claiming you are working for God without doing something to cater for your family:

Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith 1Timothy 5:8

So there is no man-no-work Christian in the first century even Apostle Paul worked to earn something:

and because he (Paul) had the same trade, he stayed at their home and worked with them, for they were tentmakers by trade. Act 18:3
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 8:08am On Oct 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
NO!

The collection first century disciples of Christ were making is not for those who aren't doing anything to feed their families rather it's what they contributed to help their fellow believers in places where things were hard.
Read how it started back then:

Now after quite a number of years, I arrived to bring gifts of mercy to my nation and to make offerings. Act 24:17

For those in Mac·e·doʹni·a and A·chaʹia have been pleased to share their things by a contribution to the poor among the holy ones in Jerusalem. Romans 15:26

They asked only that we keep the poor in mind, and this I have also earnestly endeavored to do. Galatians 2:10


This they were doing as an equalizing to help their fellow believers in poor countries:

but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing 2 Corinthians 8:14

If anyone feels he or she is special or doing God a favor for being a Christian the Apostle say let such ones starve:

In fact, when we were with you, we used to give you this order: “[color=blue]If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 2Thessalonians 3:10[/b]

So there is no room for idleness claiming you are working for God without doing something to cater for your family:

Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith 1Timothy 5:8

So no Christian in the first century is a man-no-work even Apostle Paul worked to earn something:

and because he (Paul) had the same trade, he stayed at their home and worked with them, for they were tentmakers by trade. Act 18:3
Sure, they were also poor saints. But there are explicit instructions to support those who preach the gospel to you. Apostle Paul commended the Philippian church for the support they gave him. And he blessed them- Philippians 4:19.

You are not a child of God and you don't understand ministry. Don't you know that there are full time workers in most churches who do various work that makes the ministry function. Most of them are graduates. They are paid salaries. These are like Levites because they don't do any work apart from ministry work.

Staff working in so many churches can get up to 30 even to 50 staff depending on the size of the congregation and administrative structure in place. They have to be accommodated. And some of them need official cars. Salaries run into a few millions of naira monthly. Their salaries are paid through the tithes the brethren give.

Any church or ministry that do not have paid staff has no structure.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:19pm On Oct 26, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Sure, they were also poor saints. But there are explicit instructions to support those who preach the gospel to you. Apostle Paul commended the Philippian church for the support they gave him. And he blessed them- Philippians 4:19.

You are not a child of God and you don't understand ministry. Don't you know that there are full time workers in most churches who do various work that makes the ministry function. Most of them are graduates. They are paid salaries. These are like Levites because they don't do any work apart from ministry work.

Staff working in so many churches can get up to 30 even to 50 staff depending on the size of the congregation and administrative structure in place. They have to be accommodated. And some of them need official cars. Salaries run into a few millions of naira monthly. Their salaries are paid through the tithes the brethren give.

Any church or ministry that do not have paid staff has no structure.
Guy, your religion is not Christianity if it's not working exactly as the first century Christian congregation and as for the support we give our traveling overseers it's not tithing rather each of us gives whatever our hearts moves us to give.

So stop all these nonsense tithing has no place in Christianity! smiley
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 9:55pm On Oct 26, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Guy, your religion is not Christianity if it's not working exactly as the first century Christian congregation and as for the support we give our traveling overseers it's not tithing rather each of us gives whatever our hearts moves us to give.

So stop all these nonsense tithing has no place in Christianity! smiley
First century Christians gave to the point of selling their possessions. Have you done that. In other words, they gave far above tithing. Get this into your brain. Jesus didn't say we should give anything. He said that we should give all - Luke 12:33.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:06am On Oct 27, 2024
Ken4Christ:
First century Christians gave to the point of selling their possessions. Have you done that. In other words, they gave far above tithing. Get this into your brain. Jesus didn't say we should give anything. He said that we should give all - Luke 12:33.
"Sell your belongings and give gifts of mercy. Make money pouches that do not wear out, a never-failing treasure in the heavens, where no thief gets near and no moth consumes". Luke 12:33

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also". Matthew 6:19-21


How many disciples of Christ sold everything they had in the first century?

What Jesus said is that we should sell things that we don't really need but are kept as treasures to assist our fellow believers that needs to be cared for.
That's what the first century Christians did:
In fact, no one was in need among them, for all those who owned fields or houses would sell them and bring the value of what was sold, and they would deposit it at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one according to his need. Act 4:34-35

This was meant for EQUALIZING:

but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing. 2Corinthians 8:14

So it has nothing to do with TITHING but CONTRIBUTIONS to assist the needy in their midst in order to fulfill what was written in the Bible book of Psalms 37:25:

I was once young and now I am old, But I have not seen anyone righteous abandoned, Nor his children looking for bread. compare to Psalms 23:1

With this no Christian will be in need of basic necessities to prove the riches of our God.

Now tell me which of your so called pastors has sold everything he had not even you because if you do the phone you're using now should has been sold too! smiley

You can run but you can't hide there is no tithe in first century Christianity!
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by Ken4Christ: 11:23am On Oct 27, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
"Sell your belongings and give gifts of mercy. Make money pouches that do not wear out, a never-failing treasure in the heavens, where no thief gets near and no moth consumes". Luke 12:33

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal. Rather, store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also". Matthew 6:19-21


How many disciples of Christ sold everything they had in the first century?

What Jesus said is that we should sell things that we don't really need but are kept as treasures to assist our fellow believers that needs to be cared for.
That's what the first century Christians did:
In fact, no one was in need among them, for all those who owned fields or houses would sell them and bring the value of what was sold, and they would deposit it at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one according to his need. Act 4:34-35

This was meant for EQUALIZING:

but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing. 2Corinthians 8:14

So it has nothing to do with TITHING but CONTRIBUTIONS to assist the needy in their midst in order to fulfill what was written in the Bible book of Psalms 37:25:

I was once young and now I am old, But I have not seen anyone righteous abandoned, Nor his children looking for bread. compare to Psalms 23:1

With this no Christian will be in need of basic necessities to prove the riches of our God.

Now tell me which of your so called pastors has sold everything he had not even you because if you do the phone you're using now should has been sold too! smiley

You can run but you can't hide there is no tithe in first century Christianity!
Your ignorance and lies has no match. Rutherford has cast the spirit of lies into you. You are indeed a double candidate for hell.
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:50pm On Oct 27, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Your ignorance and lies has no match. Rutherford has cast the spirit of lies into you. You are indeed a double candidate for hell.
Ooooooooollllllllllleeeeeeeeee!
THIEF!

There is no tithing in the first century Christian congregation! smiley
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by DZTech(op): 4:00pm On Oct 31, 2024
Na WA o.
What's your concern with how God related with the Jews? I thought Christ is supposed to be the example and goal for Christians?

Ok, let's get on the same page. I asked in my main post and asked you AGAIN, yet you STILL haven't answered my question.
Are you under the law of Moses?
Ken4Christ:
By knowing how God related with the Jews, you will understand the ways of God. His ways are perfect and just. So,answer my question, why was tithing included in the law of Moses?
Re: Gal 3- Tithe Payers Are Cursed?! � by DZTech(op): 4:05pm On Oct 31, 2024
If you want to copy Abraham, copy him with your full chest. Do all the things he did.
Let's see where it leads you
Unbolivabul.
Ken4Christ:
Abraham gave Melchizedek tithes of all he had.

The writer of Hebrews in error said it was tithe of the spoils of war.

How could he have given tithe of the spoils when he rejected the spoils?

Melchizedek is a type of Christ. So, as we give our tithe, we are invariably giving honour to Jesus who is the head of the church.
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