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When I see some children of Belial hiding under christianity and unleashing their wicked human nature, hurling insults at other sects especially muslims, I can't but wonder what spirit they think they are representing. But it's definitely not the Christ of the bible and deep in their hearts they know they're are doing their own things not his.

You foolish hypocrites, why don't you stop affiliating yourselves with the christian faith if you won't do what the founder did and taught? You even despise his sayings because we see how you attack others with so much hate.

How can you hate those that you are commanded to preach peace to? Are you confused? Can darkness stop darkness? If you walk in darkness how are you different from the muslims you attack? Are you blind to see that there are only two impressions in this world: Light and darkness.

Walking in the light means loving even those that hate and kill you. Yes!! And you hate this path of light because you are walking in darkness and in your rebellious mind, you see Christ and other christians as weaklings and puny, and deceive yourself, thinking there is a smarter way to be a christian. Lol how foolish and blind!! There is nothing more powerful than the love of Christ. No one would be convinced into your camp without that. And we know you don't really care about that either. You don't care if muslims are lost forever, you only love yourself and your false self image and reputation. You are so hard hearted to attack those who you think are in the wrong religion. Yes if they don't repent they will perish and so will you if you don't repent too from your sins.

Or do you think you are scoring points in heaven when you put down others? Are you that deluded? What do you take the righteous God for that judges every man according to his deeds and has no respect for any man.. ?

I tell you that if you don't repent from this evil and turn to follow Christ in all meekness, you are in for a shock on the day you stand before God as he won't spare you. He won't spare any lawless person. Even genuine believers will receive their due recompense not to talk of liars and snakes.

Apart from perpetuating hatred, you discourage muslims from getting close to the faith and learning one or two things that the Lord may use to save them. How you make the work of the Lord so difficult! You won't get in to the Kingdom and you won't let others.

It giving "Jesus was a palestinian"

Rubbish.

Op u r mad

TimiRume:
When I see some children of Belial hiding under christianity and unleashing their wicked human nature, hurling insults at other sects especially muslims, I can't but wonder what spirit they think they are representing. But it's definitely not the Christ of the bible and deep in their hearts they know they're are doing their own things not his.

You foolish hypocrites, why don't you stop affiliating yourselves with the christian faith if you won't do what the founder did and taught? You even despise his sayings because we see how you attack others with so much hate.

How can you hate those that you are commanded to preach peace to? Are you confused? Can darkness stop darkness? If you walk in darkness how are you different from the muslims you attack? Are you blind to see that there are only two impressions in this world: Light and darkness.

Walking in the light means loving even those that hate and kill you. Yes!! And you hate this path of light because you are walking in darkness and in your rebellious mind, you see Christ and other christians as weaklings and puny, and deceive yourself, thinking there is a smarter way to be a christian. Lol how foolish and blind!! There is nothing more powerful than the love of Christ. No one would be convinced into your camp without that. And we know you don't really care about that either. You don't care if muslims are lost forever, you only love yourself and your false self image and reputation. You are so hard hearted to attack those who you think are in the wrong religion. Yes if they don't repent they will perish and so will you if you don't repent too from your sins.

Or do you think you are scoring points in heaven when you put down others? Are you that deluded? What do you take the righteous God for that judges every man according to his deeds and has no respect for any man.. ?

I tell you that if you don't repent from this evil and turn to follow Christ in all meekness, you are in for a shock on the day you stand before God as he won't spare you. He won't spare any lawless person. Even genuine believers will receive their due recompense not to talk of liars and snakes.

Apart from perpetuating hatred, you discourage muslims from getting close to the faith and learning one or two things that the Lord may use to save them. How you make the work of the Lord so difficult! You won't get in to the Kingdom and you won't let others.

I commend and welcome your submission. It however should be clarified where it appears certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued. In some of your sentences you allude towards Muslims hating and killing christians and fall just short of distinctly labelling Muslims as a people in darkness.

The Quran encourages Muslims to engage in dialogue and find common ground with Christians, emphasizing the shared belief in one God:

"Say, 'O People of the Book! Come to a word that is equitable between us and you—that we shall worship none but Allah and not associate anything with Him, and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.'" (Quran 3:64)

Islam teaches that faith is a personal choice and forbids the coercion of others into religion:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from the wrong way." (Quran 2:256)

This indicates that Muslims cannot force anyone to convert, allowing individuals the freedom to practice their beliefs without pressure.

The Quran also instructs Muslims to treat non-Muslims, including Christians, with fairness and compassion:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes—from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8 )

This verse promotes the idea of peaceful coexistence, urging Muslims to be just and kind to those who live in harmony with them.

This verse emphasizes that Islam advocates for peaceful coexistence with individuals of other faiths who are just and non-hostile. It serves as a reminder that, although Muslims are encouraged to resist oppression, they are also instructed to maintain justice, kindness, and fairness in their interactions with everyone.

While some verses in the Quran address fighting, they are specifically related to self-defense in the context of early Muslim persecution. For instance, Quran 2:190 states:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Islam does not instruct Muslims to harbor hatred or violence against Christians. Rather, the Quran advocates for respect, peaceful coexistence, and justice for everyone. Misunderstandings can occur when verses are taken out of context, particularly those linked to specific historical events. When considered as a whole, the Quran conveys a message of respect, peace, and compassion towards all, including Christians.

Thank you.

honesttalk21:
I commend and welcome your submission. It however should be clarified where it appears certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued. In some of your sentences you allude towards Muslims hating and killing christians and fall just short of distinctly labelling Muslims as a people in darkness.

The Quran encourages Muslims to engage in dialogue and find common ground with Christians, emphasizing the shared belief in one God:

"Say, 'O People of the Book! Come to a word that is equitable between us and you—that we shall worship none but Allah and not associate anything with Him, and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.'" (Quran 3:64)

Islam teaches that faith is a personal choice and forbids the coercion of others into religion:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from the wrong way." (Quran 2:256)

This indicates that Muslims cannot force anyone to convert, allowing individuals the freedom to practice their beliefs without pressure.

The Quran also instructs Muslims to treat non-Muslims, including Christians, with fairness and compassion:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes—from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8 )

This verse promotes the idea of peaceful coexistence, urging Muslims to be just and kind to those who live in harmony with them.

This verse emphasizes that Islam advocates for peaceful coexistence with individuals of other faiths who are just and non-hostile. It serves as a reminder that, although Muslims are encouraged to resist oppression, they are also instructed to maintain justice, kindness, and fairness in their interactions with everyone.

While some verses in the Quran address fighting, they are specifically related to self-defense in the context of early Muslim persecution. For instance, Quran 2:190 states:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Islam does not instruct Muslims to harbor hatred or violence against Christians. Rather, the Quran advocates for respect, peaceful coexistence, and justice for everyone. Misunderstandings can occur when verses are taken out of context, particularly those linked to specific historical events. When considered as a whole, the Quran conveys a message of respect, peace, and compassion towards all, including Christians.

Thank you.

I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 8:12

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have rejected; so strike above the necks, and strike from them every one standing."



Quran 9:29

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated


Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk


Quran 9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

honesttalk21:
I commend and welcome your submission. It however should be clarified where it appears certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued. In some of your sentences you allude towards Muslims hating and killing christians and fall just short of distinctly labelling Muslims as a people in darkness.

The Quran encourages Muslims to engage in dialogue and find common ground with Christians, emphasizing the shared belief in one God:

"Say, 'O People of the Book! Come to a word that is equitable between us and you—that we shall worship none but Allah and not associate anything with Him, and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.'" (Quran 3:64)

Islam teaches that faith is a personal choice and forbids the coercion of others into religion:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from the wrong way." (Quran 2:256)

This indicates that Muslims cannot force anyone to convert, allowing individuals the freedom to practice their beliefs without pressure.

The Quran also instructs Muslims to treat non-Muslims, including Christians, with fairness and compassion:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes—from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8 )

This verse promotes the idea of peaceful coexistence, urging Muslims to be just and kind to those who live in harmony with them.

This verse emphasizes that Islam advocates for peaceful coexistence with individuals of other faiths who are just and non-hostile. It serves as a reminder that, although Muslims are encouraged to resist oppression, they are also instructed to maintain justice, kindness, and fairness in their interactions with everyone.

While some verses in the Quran address fighting, they are specifically related to self-defense in the context of early Muslim persecution. For instance, Quran 2:190 states:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Islam does not instruct Muslims to harbor hatred or violence against Christians. Rather, the Quran advocates for respect, peaceful coexistence, and justice for everyone. Misunderstandings can occur when verses are taken out of context, particularly those linked to specific historical events. When considered as a whole, the Quran conveys a message of respect, peace, and compassion towards all, including Christians.

Thank you.

Brother I'm not against you neither is the God that has given you and I breath. Oh how he loves us and wants a relationship with us collectively and individually. Everyday we face the challenge of guilt and shame in relation to our walk with this God but when we get to know him, we will know that he made us complete. First he created us, and when we fell into fault, he provided a sacrifice to redeem us back to him. He is our creator and definitely our saviour. He alone knows us thoroughly even our very hairs on our heads are numbered.

How can we think God does not want us as close as being a part of his family? We can't draw near if we still have guilt in our heart. We would stay away from him. How we misunderstand him and believe different versions about him when even his creations show his warmth, his openess, beauty and humour. Who would teach us about God if not God himself. We think of the best teachers as those who know their students so well and are known by them so well too. How can we think God will fall short of these important relationship standards?

I am not judging or codemning you. Your response is a very natural one that even God understands. May our Creator take over this conversation for his glory. Amen🙏

I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.

GothamCities:
I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:29

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated

This verse 9:29 specifically addresses the need to confront those who do not believe in Allah, the Last Day, and do not adhere to the true religion as revealed by Allah and His Messenger. It includes individuals who disregard what Allah has deemed unlawful and do not follow the authentic faith. The verse states that fighting should continue until they willingly pay the jizyah (tax) as a sign of submission while remaining humble.

Understanding the context and conditions under which such verses were revealed, along with the principles of justice and mercy that guide Islamic teachings on warfare, is crucial.

The Quran directs Muslims to engage with those among the People of the Book who, despite having received divine revelation, fail to maintain belief in Allah or the Last Day, do not prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not adhere to the true religion. Is this not an act of hypocrisy claiming to believe and follow God yet engaging in what he forbids? Perhaps you should also look at Quran 9:28 that says O believers! Indeed, the polytheists are ˹spiritually˺ impure,so they should not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. If you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He wills. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

This verse 9:29 indicates that the struggle continues until they willingly pay the jizya tax, thereby recognizing Islamic authority as an alternative to conflict.

This verse pertains to earlier revealed communities, such as Christians and Jews, in a context of resistance or hostility towards the Muslim community, especially those who were actively opposing or attacking Muslims during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. Nevertheless, it affirms that peaceful coexistence can be achieved through the jizya, a tax that symbolizes the protection and administrative services offered by the Islamic state to non-Muslim citizens residing within its borders.

GothamCities:
I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk

Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

GothamCities:
I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

TimiRume:
Brother I'm not against you neither is the God that has given you and I breath. Oh how he loves us and wants a relationship with us collectively and individually. Everyday we face the challenge of guilt and shame in relation to our walk with this God but when we get to know him, we will know that he made us complete. First he created us, and when we fell into fault, he provided a sacrifice to redeem us back to him. He is our creator and definitely our saviour. He alone knows us thoroughly even our very hairs on our heads are numbered.

How can we think God does not want us as close as being a part of his family? We can't draw near if we still have guilt in our heart. We would stay away from him. How we misunderstand him and believe different versions about him when even his creations show his warmth, his openess, beauty and humour. Who would teach us about God if not God himself. We think of the best teachers as those who know their students so well and are known by them so well too. How can we think God will fall short of these important relationship standards?

I am not judging or codemning you. Your response is a very natural one that even God understands. May our Creator take over this conversation for his glory. Amen🙏

I commended your original post and still do. The ease with which many things get misconstrued is all that is emphasized to help grow mutual cordiality.

You see the response of Gothamcities where he has shown gross misunderstanding of the context and meaning of picked verses.

Absolute truth!

honesttalk21:
In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

What about the other verses that speak directly against Christians and Jews? Did the Quran not tell you to fight Jews until they're annihilated? Infact, you have it in your Quran that you'll so kill Jews and defeat them with the rocks betraying them while hiding.

What I have posted is the truth about Islam and do not want anyone to be deceived thinking that Islam has anything good for Christians or Jews.

honesttalk21:
I commended your original post and still do. The ease with which many things get misconstrued is all that is emphasized to help grow mutual cordiality.

You see the response of Gothamcities where he has shown gross misunderstanding of the context and meaning of picked verses.

I didn't misconstrue his post. My response is to the Mohammedian who wants to descent people to make them think that Islam is tolerant towards Christians and Muslims.

Read my post again and you'll see that I said Christians who don't retaliate insults are ideally following the principles of Christ, which is what the OP was trying to say in a nutshell.

GothamCities:
I didn't misconstrue his post. My response is to the Mohammedian who wants to descent people to make them think that Islam is tolerant towards Christians and Muslims.

Read my post again and you'll see that I said Christians who don't retaliate insults are ideally following the principles of Christ, which is what the OP was trying to say in a nutshell.

Fortunately I and the OP appear to understand each other and are not at dispute.

I will lie to claim what you mean by Mohammedian. In any case Islam emphasizes tolerance and respect towards Christians, as well as other people of the book, a term in the Quran that includes Jews and Christians.

Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness—shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran, 2:62)

And do not argue with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him. (Quran, 29:46)

And had Allah not repelled some people by means of some others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues and the mosques where the name of Allah is recited abundantly would have been demolished”.

Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty.Quran 22:40


Read into the Charter of Medina and the Treaty with Christians of Najran.

GothamCities:
What about the other verses that speak directly against Christians and Jews? Did the Quran not tell you to fight Jews until they're annihilated? Infact, you have it in your Quran that you'll so kill Jews and defeat them with the rocks betraying them while hiding.

What I have posted is the truth about Islam and do not want anyone to be deceived thinking that Islam has anything good for Christians or Jews.

Perhaps if you exactly list these verses we can discuss or review them.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps if you exactly list these verses we can discuss or review them.

They were all listed in the post you quoted above.

honesttalk21:
Fortunately I and the OP appear to understand each other and are not at dispute.

I will lie to claim what you mean by Mohammedian. In any case Islam emphasizes tolerance and respect towards Christians, as well as other people of the book, a term in the Quran that includes Jews and Christians.

Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness—shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran, 2:62)

And do not argue with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him. (Quran, 29:46)

And had Allah not repelled some people by means of some others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues and the mosques where the name of Allah is recited abundantly would have been demolished”.

Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty.Quran 22:40


Read into the Charter of Medina and the Treaty with Christians of Najran.

I've quoted the Quran that shows Allah doesn't tolerate Christians, and there's compulsion in religion as far as Islam is concerned.

You don't actually understand the post of the OP. The OP is writing against any form of retaliatory remarks or initiated insults by Christians because such attitudes are not Christlike. And indeed, there's no one who insults others or retaliates offences, who'll rightly call himself a Christian.

GothamCities:
I've quoted the Quran that shows Allah doesn't tolerate Christians, and there's compulsion in religion as far as Islam is concerned.

You don't actually understand the post of the OP. The OP is writing against any form of retaliatory remarks or initiated insults by Christians because such attitudes are not Christlike. And indeed, there's no one who insults others or retaliates offences, who'll rightly call himself a Christian.

I have explained the meaning and context of the verses to show what is meant isn't what you think.

honesttalk21:
I have explained the meaning and context of the verses to show what is meant isn't what you think.

You explained only the last verse. The first ones addressed Christians and Jews directly.

Moreso, if there's no compulsion in religion, why should anyone be killed, even if that person is worships many idols?

TimiRume:
When I see some children of Belial hiding under christianity and unleashing their wicked human nature, hurling insults at other sects especially muslims, I can't but wonder what spirit they think they are representing. But it's definitely not the Christ of the bible and deep in their hearts they know they're are doing their own things not his.
You foolish hypocrites, why don't you stop affiliating yourselves with the christian faith if you won't do what the founder did and taught? You even despise his sayings because we see how you attack others with so much hate.
How can you hate those that you are commanded to preach peace to? Are you confused? Can darkness stop darkness? If you walk in darkness how are you different from the muslims you attack? Are you blind to see that there are only two impressions in this world: Light and darkness.
Walking in the light means loving even those that hate and kill you. Yes!! And you hate this path of light because you are walking in darkness and in your rebellious mind, you see Christ and other christians as weaklings and puny, and deceive yourself, thinking there is a smarter way to be a christian. Lol how foolish and blind!! There is nothing more powerful than the love of Christ. No one would be convinced into your camp without that. And we know you don't really care about that either. You don't care if muslims are lost forever, you only love yourself and your false self image and reputation. You are so hard hearted to attack those who you think are in the wrong religion. Yes if they don't repent they will perish and so will you if you don't repent too from your sins.

Jesus Christ made clear that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel — those born of the bloodline of Jacob/Israel. He disavowed the religion of men beginning with Judaism, the religion that came to be during the time the Jewish-Israelites were held in captivity in Babylon.

It is famously known that Christianity is drawn from the same ideas behind Judaism, meaning Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ and His Father, YHWH. So, these Spats between Christians and Muslims, both of them religious entities, have nothing to do with Jesus Christ or Israel for that matter.

GothamCities:
You explained only the last verse. The first ones addressed Christians and Jews directly.

Moreso, if there's no compulsion in religion, why should anyone be killed, even if that person is worships many idols?

honesttalk21:
I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.

Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

honesttalk21:
Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

GothamCities:
Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

I explained the Verse Q5:51

honesttalk21:
Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

It doesn't satisfy you obviously.
You know what is said about peer pressure don't you. There is some difference in the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and if I may make a small example Christians do not have a problem drinking alcohol perhaps as long as they don't get drunk but this is totally forbidden in Islam.

Kindly show me the verse in the Quran that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth?

honesttalk21:
I explained the Verse Q5:51


It doesn't satisfy you obviously.
You know what is said about peer pressure don't you. There is some difference in the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and if I may make a small example Christians do not have a problem drinking alcohol perhaps as long as they don't get drunk but this is totally forbidden in Islam.

Kindly show me the verse in the Quran that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth?

Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church-,goers do.

You're just trying to sugarcoat the verses and explain them away. The messages are very clear. Till today, Muslims hate Christians and Jews. They even preach against us in their mosques.

Well, you know the verse about the killing of the Jews and the betrayal of the rocks where they go hid themselves. A Muslim even quoted the verse for me here just last week while he was boasting that the prophecy will come to pass.

And Christ rejoice when terrorist Muslims kill Christians Abi ?
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honesttalk21:
In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

Take your time to read this before promoting taqqiya pro-max for allah here


The Jews and Christians are both kaafirs and mushrikeen. They are kaafirs because they deny the truth and reject it. And they are mushrikeen because they worship someone other than Allaah.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!

31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”

[al-Tawbah 9:30, 31]

Here they are described as mushrikeen. In Soorat al-Bayyinah they are described as kaafirs, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al‑Mushrikoon, were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence”

[al-Bayyinah 98:1]

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, refuting those who say that the word mushrikeen cannot be applied to the People of the Book:

It is most likely that the people of the Book are included among the mushrikeen, men and women alike, when this word is used in general terms. because the kuffaar are undoubtedly mushrikeen. Hence they are forbidden to enter al-Masjid al-Haraam, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe (in Allaah’s Oneness and in His Messenger Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al‑Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah) after this year”

[al-Tawbah 9:28]

If the People of the Book did not come under the general heading of mushrikeen, then this verse would not apply to them, and Allaah would not have referred to the beliefs of the Jews and Christians in Soorat Baraa’ah (al-Tawbah) where He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”

[al-Tawbah 9:31]

So they are all described as mushrikeen, because the Jews said that ‘Uzayr is the son of God and the Christians said that the Messiah is the son of God; and because they took their priests and rabbis as lords instead of Allaah. All of this is the worst form of shirk. And there are many similar verses. End quote.

GothamCities:
Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

honesttalk21

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

honesttalk21:
Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

So according to your own alfa and chief imam, Christians and Jews are not polytheists bah?

AntiisIam:
honesttalk21

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Thanks for this input.

GothamCities:
Thanks for this input.

Alright

GothamCities:
Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church-,goers do.

Christians drink alcohol. The Biblical Jesus drank Alcohol! The wine he produced was alcoholic. Jesus says: “The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners! '” (Luke 7:34). What do you drink that makes you drunk?

You're just trying to sugarcoat the verses and explain them away. The messages are very clear. Till today, Muslims hate Christians and Jews. They even preach against us in their mosques.

As if the last election didn't expose the church's hatred that ever! It was clear! No need to say more! We understand our Qur'an in relation to the Hadiths better than you! We know the reason and settings upon which each verses was revealed! You don't know jack! Holy Spirit won't reveal anything to you in these regards!

Well, you know the verse about the killing of the Jews and the betrayal of the rocks where they go hid themselves. A Muslim even quoted the verse for me here just last week while he was boasting that the prophecy will come to pass.

I was the one! And i quoted it when you were boasting Israel fulfilled a Prophecy defeating the Muslims around it bla bla bla.... Why didn't you mention the full context of our discuss instead of an abridged version to promote yourself?

This is why i called you a pathetic liar! One will explain and explain things to you but your mind is set in stone! So what is there to explain anymore? honesttalk21 will soon get tired and leave you guys alone! Some other day you'll still bring the same verses to make the same claim that Muslims are whatever you wish!