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LivingSage:
Keep quiet there and prove it.

Egusi has already been proved as Yoruba word, disprove it or shut up

The most important of Reno's many "provings"

The Internet never forgets

Don't pick n choose which of Reno's thesis to agree with. If you're going to lick arse, lick arse all the way

Ngozi123:
Only Ondo Yorubas traditionally ate egusi soup among the Yoruba. That's what I've been told by your fellow Yorubas on Nairaland any time I bring up the fact that it's an Igbo dish.

I have reasons to doubt your statement that my fellow Yorubas told you that; because no Yoruba in his right senses will ever say that. Maybe it was one of your comrades who love masquerading as Yoruba that told you that. It's not Egusi. It's Egunsi. The etymology of the word was rightly provided but your bruised ego would not allow you to learn.

This is quite interesting, and pointless.

Whoever likes egusi should eat it however they like.That said different Yoruba tribes historically prepared it differently, so it's strange to say it's not Yoruba food.


I think people need to understand the tribes of
the Yoruba people have a common language but have their unique cultural differences,from food,to clothes,to dance etc,so the fact that one knows about some Yorubas you met somewhere does not make it a finding that applies to all Yoruba tribes.e.g egusi and okro would not be one of the style for oyo,but has always been for yoruba in ondo town for ages

Egusi and efo for the ekiti. Egusi only for some other tribe etc. No one cap fits all.

Seunmsg1:
I have reasons to doubt your statement that my fellow Yorubas told you that; because no Yoruba in his right senses will ever say that. Maybe it was one of your comrades who love masquerading as Yoruba that told you that. It's not Egusi. It's Egunsi. The etymology of the word was rightly provided but your bruised ego would not allow you to learn.

I think she probably heard it as the flagship soup for different Yoruba tribes,it's one of the flagship soups for the ondo,ekiti,and osun axis,like ewedu and gbegiri combination is to the oyo

phineas:
I think she probably heard it as the flagship soup for different Yoruba tribes,it's one of the flagship soups for the ondo,ekiti,and osun axis,like ewedu and gbegiri combination is to the oyo

Even Egbas and Ijebus. And Oyos too.

mrvitalis:
Equsi is not even unique to Nigeria to start with

Igbos make several meals from equsi outside the soup... I my place we mKe a cake like thing used to eat African salad Uzu mixed with a special mushroom 🍄

The origin is not clear obvious but quoting a 1900 book for a food consumed for over 1000 years is funny

what about this?

Cc
Vanbonattel
Ngozi123
Ariesbull
OfoIgbo

vanbonattel:
That's Osu egusi, usually wrapped in one spicy vegetable like that before cooking to the cake you described. Please allow Rwno to moan his loss, don't prevent him from going mad.

what about this?

Ngozi123:
Okay.

1)How many Yorubas (a part from those from Ondo State) actually use the word “egusi" to describe a melon? Compare this to how many Igbos use the word.

2)Why is it that only your Easternmost people use the word but the whole of Igboland use it? Are melons not indigenous to Igboland? Wouldn't the Igbos have had another word to describe it if the "egusi" did not originate from them?

3)At the time of writing this dictionary a lot of trade had happened between some groups of Yorubas and the Benin Empire. There were many Igbo groups (including my own) who were under the Benin Empire and would have come into contact with them.

4) If you look at the preparation of egusi soup, is there another Yoruba soup that you prepare in a similar way. I'm not talking about other Nigerian tribes but Yoruba and Igbo respectively.

For how many other soups do you have to grind the seeds in order to make it?

The preparation for most Igbo soups are very similar and Egusi soup falls into this category. Can you say the same for Yoruba soups?

5) If someone was to make an Igbo language dictionary and describe a prostitute as "akuna akuna" or "ashawo", could I then start claiming that "ashawo" is an Igbo word? No. It is clear in that instance which is the Igbo word and which is the adopted word.

at least Reno gave d entymology of how egusi happens to b a Yoruba word

Tell us how egusi happens to b an Igbo word

One thing I notice about Igbos lately is that they now put k behind any Yoruba words that starts with p n claim it's Igbo

Kpomo - pomo
Kpanla - panla
Kpatakpata - patapata
Jakpa - japa
Olokpa - olopa
N co

We know later u Igbos will start claiming these words

Ngozi123:
All pointers indicate that the word is Igbo or at least Eastern in origin. Only Ondo Yorubas traditionally ate it whereas all Igbos eat it.

go n check that Google screenshot I gave u n who told u only ondos eat egusi traditionally

There are Yoruba songs of 1950 where the man will b praising his wife for cooking egusi with pounded yam for him

ariesbull:
Cooking rubbish

Okro and Egwusi
Spinach and Egwusi

Tufia


Original name is Egwusi before Yoruba copied it

type egusi on Google n tell me what u see

U people just wallow in ignorance even when u can see d truth

phineas:
This is quite interesting, and pointless.

Whoever likes egusi should eat it however they like.That said different Yoruba tribes historically prepared it differently, so it's strange to say it's not Yoruba food.


I think people need to understand the tribes of
the Yoruba people have a common language but have their unique cultural differences,from food,to clothes,to dance etc,so the fact that one knows about some Yorubas you met somewhere does not make it a finding that applies to all Yoruba tribes.e.g egusi and okro would not be one of the style for oyo,but has always been for yoruba in ondo town for ages

Egusi and efo for the ekiti. Egusi only for some other tribe etc. No one cap fits all.

u are talking rubbish

Egusi n okro is cooked in virtually all homes n who limited egusi n efo to ekiti?

So u don't know people cook egusi n efo n even add bitter leaf?

U are just talking rubbish with confidence

Ngozi123:
Even Yoruba people know that the word "Egusi" doesn't originate from them. There's about three different words (according to the dictionary shown here) they use for "melon" but the Igbo only have one.

If this guy had any background in linguistics then he would know what that means.

You so want Yoruba word,Oya come and take it

paramakina202:
What belongs to Yoruba is the name egusi not the soup.Yoruba did not introduce melon to ndi Igbo what we adopted is the name egusi just like many Nigeria nigerians have adopted Ugu vegetable... .

Thank God that you admit that the name "Egusi" Belong to Yoruba just as Ugu belong to Igbo.

Ngozi123:
Okay.

1)How many Yorubas (a part from those from Ondo State) actually use the word “egusi" to describe a melon? Compare this to how many Igbos use the word.

2)Why is it that only your Easternmost people use the word but the whole of Igboland use it? Are melons not indigenous to Igboland? Wouldn't the Igbos have had another word to describe it if the "egusi" did not originate from them?

3)At the time of writing this dictionary a lot of trade had happened between some groups of Yorubas and the Benin Empire. There were many Igbo groups (including my own) who were under the Benin Empire and would have come into contact with them.

4) If you look at the preparation of egusi soup, is there another Yoruba soup that you prepare in a similar way. I'm not talking about other Nigerian tribes but Yoruba and Igbo respectively.

For how many other soups do you have to grind the seeds in order to make it?

The preparation for most Igbo soups are very similar and Egusi soup falls into this category. Can you say the same for Yoruba soups?

5) If someone was to make an Igbo language dictionary and describe a prostitute as "akuna akuna" or "ashawo", could I then start claiming that "ashawo" is an Igbo word? No. It is clear in that instance which is the Igbo word and which is the adopted word.

Elili or enini is what you people called Egusi,stop claiming what's not yours.

Nomercie:
Thank God that you admit that the name "Egusi" Belong to Yoruba just as Ugu belong to Igbo.

Correct.I always state facts.

LivingSage:
I was asked a question about the origin of the word Egusi by a Nigerian of Southeast origin. After my innocent response, I have received a barrage of insults, abuses and threats.

Please find attached an entry from the book Dictionary Of The Yoruba Language: English-Yoruba, Yoruba-English. This a 1913 edition of the book previously published in the Nineteenth Century by the Church Mission Society, an agency of the Church of England.

The book is also available online, from where I got this page.

Please find the word Egusi highlighted in red. I vow to pay ₦10 million to those who have been insulting me if they can show me an Igbo dictionary predating this book, which has an entry for the word 'Egusi' or 'Egwusi'.

The Igbo lexicon contains many Lukumi words in Igbo because the first book in the Igbo language, which incidentally was a dictionary, was written by a Lukumi man named Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther. It is titled Isoama-Ibo: A Primer, published in 1857. Bishop Crowther introduced several Lukumi words into the Igbo language.

Answering a question posed to me on the origin of the word Egusi does not mean that I hate Igbo. History is history. It does not love or hate anyone.

Truth is hate only to those who hate truth.

My documentary on the Igbo origin of Tobagan patois spoken in Tobago was aired on television. Can a man make a documentary to validate a people he hates?

Thanks again, and may God bless you.

#TableShaker

To Reno thinking history began in 1913. He should know better than this myopic reasoning

Africans are dragging eguai soup 😃😃😃 Meanwhile the Europeans and Asians are building 5th generation machines 😃😃😃
Africa is trapped

Seunmsg1:
A non Yoruba speaker gave you concrete evidence but you still won't stop arguing. 😝😝😝😝😝

It is because talk is cheap.
I can say na my mama build America but can I prove it.
Reno has proved without doubt that Yorubas owned Egusi even before 1913.
Igbos just started eating Egusi when they learnt it from Yorubas just like we taught them moi moi and akara
Igbos and stealing things ehn.You go fear them.

Sharpsharp00123:
at least Reno gave d entymology of how egusi happens to b a Yoruba word

Tell us how egusi happens to b an Igbo word

One thing I notice about Igbos lately is that they now put k behind any Yoruba words that starts with p n claim it's Igbo

Kpomo - pomo
Kpanla - panla
Kpatakpata - patapata
Jakpa - japa
Olokpa - olopa
N co

We know later u Igbos will start claiming these words

Only Yoruba use these words,you cant come to the East and go to a eatery and tell them you want kpanla or call Police Olokpa,you Yoruba need to know that the world does not revolve around your Makoko area in Lagos
And the Yoruba people are not particularly known for their culinary skills,I doubt anybody will love Yoruba food so much to even want to copy them,we don’t even cook Egusi like you that add stew to yours,and the dictionary dosen’t prove anything,no be who first write statement dey win case

paramakina202:
Egwusi is borrowed word there are other words for it in Igboland other than egwusi for example we call melon elili so does many communities.

na you borrow the word ?

Sharpsharp00123:
at least Reno gave d entymology of how egusi happens to b a Yoruba word

Tell us how egusi happens to b an Igbo word

One thing I notice about Igbos lately is that they now put k behind any Yoruba words that starts with p n claim it's Igbo

Kpomo - pomo
Kpanla - panla
Kpatakpata - patapata
Jakpa - japa
Olokpa - olopa
N co

We know later u Igbos will start claiming these words

Igbo don't eat that lousy pomo

They eat KANDA...it is hides with meat

Igbo don't calm Japa


The words Igbo borrowed are Ashewo and Agbero cos they are Yoruba Inventions

Seunmsg1:
I have reasons to doubt your statement that my fellow Yorubas told you that; because no Yoruba in his right senses will ever say that. Maybe it was one of your comrades who love masquerading as Yoruba that told you that. It's not Egusi. It's Egunsi. The etymology of the word was rightly provided but your bruised ego would not allow you to learn.

Isn't it funny, even when the word has a literal meaning.
What does " e gun si" mean in Ibo language?

gidgiddy:
I laugh when people say that Ajayi Crowther wrote the first Igbo book, a language he never spoke

To this day, nobody has seen the so called book 😆 🤣 😂 😹

Another thing is that Ajayi Crowther was not an Olukumi man, he was an Oyo man

I don't think you are really trying to find it. The attached image is the first book ever written in Ibo language.

Sharpsharp00123:
what about this?

Cc
Vanbonattel
Ngozi123
Ariesbull
OfoIgbo

It is all a part of the plan to claim egusi as Yoruba.

The fact that the piece fails to mention that Igbos also refer to melon as egusi, clearly shows this is an attempt to claim egusi soup as Yoruba.

We are all used to these little Yoruba moves. No one is fooled.

Sharpsharp00123:
u are talking rubbish

Egusi n okro is cooked in virtually all homes n who limited egusi n efo to ekiti?

So u don't know people cook egusi n efo n even add bitter leaf?

U are just talking rubbish with confidence

Flagship soup is the culturally celebrated food or soup for that tribe, it's the okoho for the tiv, eko or pap for the ogbomoso, amala for the oyo etc, doesn't change the fact that even northerners like amala, do you understand now?

OfoIgbo:
It is all a part of the plan to claim egusi as Yoruba.

The fact that the piece fails to mention that Igbos also refer to melon as egusi, clearly shows this is an attempt to claim egusi soup as Yoruba.

We are all used to these little Yoruba moves. No one is fooled.

tell me d entymology of egwusi in Igbo?

ariesbull:
na you borrow the word ?

Your village have native name for it apart from egusi,ain't you?
It is like saying kanda or nama is Igbo word because of its usage in Igboland.

Sharpsharp00123:
tell me d entymology of egwusi in Igbo?

I will have to tell you that, alongside the etymology of nsala, akwu and akanwu

I will also be expecting you to tell me the etymology of ewedu

OfoIgbo:
I will have to tell you that, alongside the etymology of nsala, akwu and akanwu

I will also be expecting you to tell me the etymology of ewedu

ewe means leaf

Dudu means black

So it's called ewedudu and it's abbreviated to ewedu

Hope i am clear now

Oya tell me that of egwusi in igbo

Ewedu means black leaf n I believe it's obvious it's black n it's leaf


So I hope u understand now

Sharpsharp00123:
ewe means leaf

Dudu means black

So it's called ewedudu and it's abbreviated to ewedu

Hope i am clear now

Oya tell me that of egwusi in igbo

Ewedu means black leaf n I believe it's obvious it's black n it's leaf


So I hope u understand now

I would have understood EWEDUDU, You still haven't satisfactorily explained EWEDU.

Ugu is an Igbo vegetable. It is also a major ingredient of Egwusi soup. What is Ugu called in Yoruba, and what is the etymology of the Yoruba word for Ugu?

OfoIgbo:
I would have understood EWEDUDU, You still haven't satisfactorily explained EWEDU.

Ugu is an Igbo vegetable. It is also a major ingredient of Egwusi soup. What is Ugu called in Yoruba, and what is the etymology of the Yoruba word for Ugu?

are u ok?

Haven't u heard about shortened words before?

It's ewedudu but they shortened it, just like some say Kuli Kuli n some short it to Kuli

I guess u understand now

So how does ugu relate to egwusi?

No Yoruba have ever claimed ugu so what are u talking about?

ElSudani:
I don't think you are really trying to find it. The attached image is the first book ever written in Ibo language.

You people have been posting this nonsense online, claiming that Ajayi Crowther wrote a book. Anyone can design and print this out in minutes

Show us pages of Ajayi Crowthers book, not a page claiming he wrote a book.

Not such book exists because Ajayi Crowther could not have written a book in a language he never spoke