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AntiChristian:
But I asked you how the father drank Adeboye's tea and you became mute running away from this question! Do spirits drink tea?

AntiChristian:
Your Bible says God is not a man, but same Bible says sons of God became man! If the sons can become man and fulfil all the characteristics of living things what stops the father from doing same?

AntiChristian:
The biblical God doesn't need human nature to birth Jesus or to drink Adeboye's tea!

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 4:2 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 present some description or understanding of human nature from a biblical viewpoint, yet they do not clearly differentiate between the soul and spirit. Instead, they emphasize various facets of human experience like faith in connection with divine revelation in Hebrews, and the comprehensive sanctification of spirit, soul, and body in Thessalonians without providing specific definitions or distinctions.

I will like you to give clear Biblical or God inspired distinction of the two.

Ohyoudidnt:
Genesis 6:2 can be understood in two main ways:

Sons of Seth: This interpretation suggests that the godly descendants of Seth married women who were not godly.
Fallen Angels: This view posits that spiritual beings interacted with human women.
Each interpretation has its strengths and weaknesses, but a significant number of scholars tend to favor the latter, as it has been more commonly accepted in Jewish and early Christian traditions.

Job 1:6 states, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.”

Now tell is Satan regarded as a fallen angel in Christian or not?

When you consider the apparent contradiction between Matthew 22:30 and Genesis 6 you should note that though the former suggests angels do not engage in marriage or reproduction in their heavenly existence, fallen angels might have assumed physical forms or acted contrary to their divine nature when interacting with humans. Hence the ability to propagate with women. This implies a specific situation where these beings could transcend their inherent characteristics.

IslamVIRGINS:
Nothing like Arab Christians in the days of Jesus, Abraham, Noah, Moses, etc you mentioned above. They are not Muslims you classified them to be, they don't speak Arabic, they don't practice Islam and above all, Muhammad the founder of islam and the first Muslim came 600yr after the ascension of Jesus to heaven. Stop dinning and winning in delusion boy!

SIRTee15:
already answered. check my response to antiChristian

AntiChristian:
Who told you a Muslim must speak Arabic?

IslamVIRGINS:
Can you recite al-Fatiha in other languages apart Arabic even if you pray in another language aside arabic?

SIRTee15:
words have multiple meaning my friend. Men are called Elohim in the bible, The devil is called god in the bible. does that mean those passages are talking about the Almighty God?
context is key, dont hide behind one finger. use your brain.
show me in the bible where spirit is used for breath/nephesh or soul is used for wind/ruach. Otherwise shut up.

AntiChristian:
Al-Fatiha is from the Qur'an revealed to Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. And for a new revert it's not yet necessary. But I can't recite it in any other languages.

SIRTee15:
Athanasian creed wasn't written in 325 AD, you confusing it with Nicene creed. The creed was likely written in the 6th century.

If your definition of Trinity is based on what's written 600 years after the bible was written, then I dont think u understand trinity really much.
Maybe we should start from the basic.

Do u have an understand of how the word GOD is used in the bible. n.b

SIRTee15:
copy and paste will not safe u
show mw where the passage mention fallen angels married female humans.
all of a sudden u have gone into interpretation and exegesis, BUT when I did my own exegesis on the same passage, u went into mockery mode.
Hypocrisy is a big stigma amongst muslim apologetics.

show me with clear cut unambiguous evidence that sons of God in Genesis 6 are fallen angels, otherwise dont reply my text.

SIRTee15:
already answered. check my response to antiChristian

MaxInDHouse:
So all these are in Aramaic shey?
Well Jesus learned the lingua franca of his time just as children of nowadays learned English so he spoke both his mother's tongue and the foreign language used around the Mediterranean Sea!

Ohyoudidnt:
Seriously? What is the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic language? Do they share similar words?

AntiChristian:
How was he educated to learn the Lingua Franca? Who were his tutors? Usually it's only educated people who achieved this feat!
His main language was Aramaic!

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue for the fun of it.

When Jesus spoke Hebrew "Eli Eli" those around him couldn't understand what he was saying yet they were all Jews that should tell you that Jesus could speak both his mother tongue and the lingua franca commonly spoken in his day!

IslamVIRGINS:
You said the truth for the first time in history. Did you now see the reason why you must understand Arabic and be able to recite al-Fatiha to be a Muslim?

SIRTee15:
I'm here to defend objective revelation in the scriptures.
stop disturbing me with human revelation that are subjective. If u are obsessed with Adeboye drinking tea with a spirit, travel to km 46 and ask him.
Adeboye drinking tea with God is not in the bible. Dont ask me to defend it.

Where did the Father become a Man in the bible? show me in the bible. that's what I've been asking u and u failed woefully.
are u slow or u read the bible upside down. what's wrong with u.

I sincerely don't think u making sense here. so I will simply ignore u because I dont know when and how God gave birth to Jesus.

AntiChristian:
I am sure of this sir.
They misunderstood what he was saying to mean he was calling Elijah! Both "Eloi" and 'Eli" are Aramaic!
"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani" is Aramaic. Scholars have determined this based on the use of the word "sabachthani" which is Aramaic, not Hebrew. If it were Hebrew, the word "azabthani" would have been used instead.
In Hebrew, "Eli Eli lama sabachthani?" will become "Eliy ‘Eliy lamah `azab’taniy?"

GothamCities:
The copy is the same as the one between your mind and your words. Don't you know that the statement is also applicable to simultaneous actions?
Jesus is the Word of God. The fact that the Word was clothed in flesh does not mean the Word of God has ceased.

The Word is a Spirit. You need Revelation to know God my dear. Your human logic is failing you.

MaxInDHouse:
The fact that those around him can't grasp his statement it simply means he wasn't speaking Aramaic but Hebrew which was the language most people in his days don't get it's indepth meaning!

AntiChristian:
I don't think your Holy Spirit is capable of explaining the verses!
The word is a spirit, was Jesus a spirit when he said the verse? He said for whatever the father does the son does!

What revelation do i need to explain what is clearly an extreme exaggeration just like the trinity?

GothamCities:
You're very limited in understanding since you're not spiritual. You're carnal and your eyes aren't open.

God's Word is Spirit. Jesus was a Spirit covered with flesh. Even men are spirits housed in human bodies. What's difficult for you to understand in that? You keep asking childish questions that even a 9 year old should not ask.

Ohyoudidnt:
Copy and paste or not doesn't remove the facts. What did you ask specifically?

Was this not if the fallen angels performed their acts with the women in their heavenly state which I answered as they were no more in their heavenly state. Besides were the women in heaven when they bore children according to your book?

You are supposed to be a lot smarter than this why such disappointing answers?

AntiChristian:
Does Hebrew have the word "sabachthani"?

Ohyoudidnt:
325 and 373 but the truth about it is there.

Why do you need the creed to explain a trinity not explicitly mentioned in the Bible or should I say former scripture?

SIRTee15:
Finally U answered my question.
So U have admitted heavenly being can become humans.
So what's the noise about Jesus becoming a man?

As TenQ showed, even Jubril became a man when he appeared to Mary.

U can't function on earth as a spirit. U have to become a Man. That's the whole point of incarnation.

So AntiChristian logic he's trying to prove here is flawed by comparing characteristics of spirits to that of humans.

AntiChristian:
I won't shut up! You should agree first that they have same second and third meanings!

AntiChristian:
You knew this before you came to answer the question in the thread! And the Holy spirit in you should be able to explain to us without the Holy Spirit. It seems people have to embrace Holy Spirit to understand the Bible!

How are men spirits housed in Human bodies according to Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being?

That breath of life na spirit abi? So where did the soul enter Adam?

AntiChristian:
So you think Pastor Adeboye lied or you just want to form mute before? Anyways, it good to be objective but i don't think it's bad sharing your opinion about God drinking tea!

Is the father not one with Jesus? When Jesus became man is the father dissociated from him? At least if a part of God i.e. his word can become man then his whole self can become man!


Word of God became man but God can't become man!
God can beget son but can't become man!
Sons of God can impregnate human but God can't become man!

Logically, all these doesn't make any sense!

According to Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being?

Is the breath of life Soul or spirit or both?

AntiChristian:
We don't have heavenly beings in Islam! They are Angels. They can not become human! They can appear as human!
Jesus was born human by a human woman! Angels only appear as a human! They are not born!

Becoming a man is not the same as appearing as a man!

This is false! Prophet Muhammad saw Angel Gabriel in its true form by Allah's permission! And no human ever achieved this feat as far as i know!

You are the one who can't differentiate between "becoming a man" and "appearing as a man"!

SIRTee15:
I don't need a creed to explain or believe in trinity. Church fathers were already talking about concept of trinity as far back as 50 AD because they saw it in the bible and Jesus spoke about it.

The word trinity is not in the bible but the concept is there.

Athanasian creed wasn't written in the 4th century. It was written around 6th century. People were already mentioning trinity in the 2nd century.
Therefore don't ask me to defend trinity in Athanasian creed that came 400 yrs after the word trinity was coined.

Let's go back to the bible, I'm here to defend the bible not some creed or what someone said.
What do U think is trinity as per the bible or U think there's no concept of trinity in the bible.
That's what I'm asking U.
Besides I'm asking u- Do U understand how the word GOD is used in the bible.