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Validated:
Go and work ans stop looking for hand out.

llakes4real:
Not hand out, but justice.

Those people committed so many atrocities in Africa and other places, and it is only fair they repair some of them.

Germany is making some amends, but those devilish criminals in the UK and France are hell bent on sweeping everything under the carpet.

NOTE: Japan settled the Chinese with ODA for the war crimes against them.

Validated:
Go and work and stop looking for hand out.
Did your fore-father not receive payments for selling their kit and kins? Did your Obas and Obis, Emirs, etc not get paid to sell slaves?
If you sold your cow (commodity to another), do you go to him after thousands if years to Sk for repatriation? If anyone sho be paying
repatriation., it should Nigeriian Obas, Obis, Emirs, who should be paying African-American, Haitians, Barbados black. Central Carribeans, Jamaican, for selling their forefathers and pocketing the money. Not the buyer, who paid fully for their cargo, paid for shipping

Validated:
Did your slave dealers not get paid?

llakes4real:
Slave trade is entirely different from colonialism.

Read this thread to see some of the activities of the British in "Nigeria":

https://www.nairaland.com/8254610/timeline-british-colonial-rule-area

The French and Spanish did worse. So the contemporary victims should just move on?

Validated:
Go and work and stop looking for hand out.
Did your fore-father not receive payments for selling their kith and kins? Did your Obas and Obis, Emirs, etc not get paid to sell slaves?
If you sold your cow (commodity to another), do you go to him after thousands if years to ask for repatriation? If anyone should be paying
repatriation, it should Nigeriian Obas, Obis, Emirs, who should be paying African-American, Haitians, Barbados black, Central Carribeans, Jamaicans, for selling their forefathers and pocketing the money. Not the buyer, who paid fully for their cargo, paid for shipping alongside.

Why are you not hounding Arabs for enslaving Northerners or was it only West African slaves tgat were sold? Imagine now you are drilling away your oil reserve, then one day you start having earthquake and you start demanding the oil buyers to come and pay for your recklessness, your greed and your dishonesty.

Validated:
How did you get educated? How did you come about hospitals, rails, etc? Did the colonizers not give you anything in return? Oh, you see it from only one side of the coin. Ask yourself, what have you done with all that aids, oil monies, mines and precious stones you sell? What are you doing to make your future generations better?

I was joking with a friend recently that if you move all the whites in North Anerica (US/Canada) to Africa and move all of Africans to North America, in 5 years, Africa will become paradise while North America will become a choas, shit-hole. Systems and grid collapse will begin to happen, elections will become violent, power supply will deteriorate. Tribalism will be rife, hospitals will become morgues.

Again go and work and be future focused. Lazy Afrocans looking for hand outs.

Blazetrailer:
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What is this victim mentality.
Ifnyou uhderstajd history well, more than half of Europe was colonized by the Ottoman and Byzarntine empires. Indont hear them calling out for ODA or repatration, they looked at themselves and built their ruined countries up again, resisted bad governance,paid heavy sacrifices to create a society that the descendants of their colonizers(Turkey) have been begging to become members of their society (EU) for decades. They were not stupid enough to vote in drug lords as presidents and expecting progress.

Colonialism gave Africans a structure, semblance of organisation out of the chaos and disembolwlment of culture and deep-rooted hatred for one another that was met in Africa pre-colonial era. They were not the ones who told you to vote against your own progressive interests by electing thieves as leaders.

Despite the alledged truth that the wealth in Africa is so stupendous that it could make it heaven on earth, it is the people with organisation and necessary leadership skills that have the best countries of the world. All the courtesies that were given ODA first had a semblance of organisation, not the chaotic and selfish rulership that black men have been cursed with.

Colonialism gave Africans a structure, semblance of organisation

Yes, the British Empire did pay reparations to the United States on several occasions.

The Jay Treaty (1794): The British government agreed to pay $10 million to the United States as compensation for the seizure of American ships and cargo during the American Revolutionary War.
The Treaty of Ghent (1814): The British government agreed to pay $3.5 million to the United States as compensation for the destruction of American property and the impressment of American sailors during the War of 1812.
The Webster-Ashburton Treaty (1842): The British government agreed to pay $1.2 million to the United States as compensation for the destruction of American ships and property during the Aroostook War.
The Alabama Claims (1872): The British government agreed to pay $15.5 million to the United States as compensation for the damage caused by Confederate ships built in British ports during the American Civil War.

The most significant payment, however, was the one made under the Treaty of Washington (1871), which settled the Alabama Claims. The British government agreed to pay $15.5 million to the United States, which is approximately $300 million in today's dollars.

It's worth noting that these payments were not necessarily considered "reparations" in the modern sense, but rather as compensation for specific damages or losses incurred during conflicts or disputes. However, they do represent a recognition by the British government of its responsibility for certain actions and a willingness to make amends.

llakes4real:
Firstly, exclude your election loss from the discuss. Nobody care whether your candidate won or not. Everyone supported whom they think was the best, and someone won. Heal yourself!





Yes, for some primitive African societies, but not all.

If they came to do so much good as both of you propagate, then why did they resist independence aggressively? Why did they murder millions of people just to continue "giving them organization"? They did the same thing in the Americas, in case you dont know.

And the Ottoman and Byzarntine empires did pay reparations, but under duress. Maybe you expect us to also use force against the colonists to force justice?

llakes4real:
Even the US got reparations from the British Empire:



But we should not ask for money, but technologies and investments.

llakes4real:
Again, read the OP.

I simply stated that we demand development, not direct money.

Where is the evidence for this bogus claim: "How did you get educated? How did you come about hospitals, rails, etc?".

You must be naive, if you think the Europeans crossed the seas to come and build you "this and that" in Africa.

llakes4real:
The money in form of reparations will be wasted and embezzled by the criminals that govern the continent. Instead we should demand: Official Development Assistance (ODA) from the colonists.

"The ODA is a type of foreign aid provided by governments and international organizations to support the economic development and welfare of developing countries. ODA is a key component of international development cooperation and is intended to promote sustainable development, reduce poverty, and improve living standards in recipient countries."

mrvitalis:
Africans demanding reparations like the money would get to the tribes that were used as slaves the most

llakes4real:
It is ODA, not reparation and should be knowledge and technology based. Everyone will benefit, because we were all the victim of exploitative colonialism, not slave trade. Technically, it can be argued that all the Africans in Africa today are complicit in slave trade.

Anyway, read about the ODA agreement between the Japanese and Chinese, which began in 1979 and ended in March 2022:

https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/region/e_asia/china/index.html

Validated:
Go and work and stop looking for hand out.
Did your fore-father not receive payments for selling their kith and kins? Did your Obas and Obis, Emirs, etc not get paid to sell slaves?
If you sold your cow (commodity to another), do you go to him after thousands if years to ask for repatriation? If anyone should be paying
repatriation, it should Nigeriian Obas, Obis, Emirs, who should be paying African-American, Haitians, Barbados black, Central Carribeans, Jamaicans, for selling their forefathers and pocketing the money. Not the buyer, who paid fully for their cargo, paid for shipping alongside.

Why are you not hounding Arabs for enslaving Northerners or was it only West African slaves tgat were sold? Imagine now you are drilling away your oil reserve, then one day you start having earthquake and you start demanding the oil buyers to come and pay for your recklessness, your greed and your dishonesty.

Blazetrailer:
To start with, you dont know what you were talking about. I doubt you read about the Renaissance in Europe. The Ottoman retreated to modern day Turkey, Cyprus and part of Greece after the defeat in Europe, and constantly launched wars to reclaim the lost grounds in modern day Europe for several years until they gave up. They never paid any reparation. Read it up.

Secondly, the moment you agreed that colonialism gave some form of modernisation in structure, you defeated every ounce of your argument for any other form of assistance. There was a benefit and such should have been a catalyst for growth and development. You couldn't have benefitted from colonialism and expect them to continue to pander to your needs while you kill yourselves, loot your commonwealth, oppress yourselves,squander all your resources and then expect bail out from others.

With regards to election loss, i did not participate in your election in Nigeria, had conveniently left your shit hole before then so I am not even looking at anything from that angle. But i used that as an example of how retrogressive the thinking of Africans are while expecting developments or help from others. Help yourselves first by sanitising your leadership and genuine progress will come without begging for development from your colonial masters who still marvel with mouth agape at how stupendously Africa is endowed with natural resources they can only dream off. Yet, they keep putting wrong ones in the position of leadership. Like someone else told you, swap Africans and Americans and move them opposite whete they are now, in 5 years or less, Africa will become the new el-dorado while the US will become something close to Somalia or South Sudan. It is inborn, no amount of reparation can cure that.

I recommend you read a book about post colonial africa titled "The state of africa" by Martin Meredith and you would have a better understanding of why Africa will remain what it is. Backwaters of the world. You would understand why generational long tribal suspicions, greed, stupidity, political cluelessness and all sorts will continue to bedevil africa unless there are dramatic and revolutionary changes. You would read about how the colonial masters persuaded their citizens in Algeria, Guinea, Senegal, Southern and Northern Rhodesia, and other staes where the Europeans fought hard to retain as annexes of their home countries as settlements, to give African countries independence because they were sure that despite the rich resources, Africans were not capable of governing themselves well. A few years after the independence of these countries they turned to beggar nations after mismanaging the orgamisiation and feittering away the wealth the Europeans left.

Try and read up to develo your thinking and connec it to what is happening around you, dont just see everyting from election losses or winnings alone

mrvitalis:
Africans demanding reparations like the money would get to the tribes that were used as slaves the most

Blazetrailer:
Nonsense!! Reparations are given to countries where there is that strong belief that the people are capable of governing themselves well, not the chaotic and rudderless nations.

Give $300 trillion to Africans and put them in modern day USA/Canada and then move citizens of USA/Canada to modern day Africa and give them both 10 years and let us see the results.

llakes4real:
Just above this post, you wrote so many gibberish to justify why Africans should not seek damages from the colonists, and that we should focus on fixing all the problems alone.

Then here you are going 180 degrees, to state who deserves reparations and who does not. You then went ahead to make an unintelligent assumption ("Give $300 trillion to African".

You arrogantly suggest that African countries dont deserve reparation, but the US deserved theirs. Remember, I stated ODA not reparations.

Nevertheless, I think you are right -- Africa does not deserve reparation or anything. If you are an African and you can be this condescending about the continent, then the colonialist have every right to ignore the calls for justice.


My conjectures (to balance the condescension):

I am happy you didnt vote and not in Nigeria, and I serious hope you are not one of those African refugees that are under-developing Europe or North America. Ensure not to ruin their country, because I suspect you may not to have anything to offer that society.

Blazetrailer:
demand development How? You making it sound like it is a right? This is beyond stupid!

Did China demand development from Japan?
Did Mexico and Brazil demand development from Spain?
Did Europe demand development from Turkey??
Those countries went to work to develop themselves by voting in appropriate leaders and focused on concentric development

so what is the job of your leaders if you have to demand development from your colonial masters?......to keep looting your commonwealth and oppressing you, abi?

Even the Cree and Metis nations of Canada are tired of demanding for handouts and are currently working on economic models to develop their settlements by having their own schools, farms, plantations, banks, mortgage institutions, refinery and all sorts. Things given freely are never valued, unless you develop them yourself.

Remain there and be demanding development, you hear!

Did China demand development from Japan?

Did Mexico demand development from Spain?

Did Brazil demand development from Porugal?

Did Europe demand development from Turkey??

llakes4real:
Stop arguing like a depressed clown! All these myopic questions have answers all over the internet. Why wont Africans work? Another stupid assumption. To complement the work and efforts of Africans at overcoming the damages of colonialism, we (Africans alone, not those cosplaying as Africans) should seek redress for colonial exploitations.




Between 1979 and 2022 Japan provided ODA to China, it has created a robust foundation as one of the key pillars of Japan-China relations, as well.

https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/region/e_asia/china/index.html




Till date, Mexico demands reparations from Spain, but not exactly in the form of development. After Mexico gained independence from Spain in 1821, the Mexican government demanded that Spain provide compensation for the damages and losses suffered during the colonial period.

Mexico's government began to demand reparations from Spain for the historical injustices and human rights abuses committed during the colonial period. In fact, Mexico repudiated debts owed to Spain, and still demands reparation.

Spain hits back at Mexico in row over colonial rights abuses

Note: Spain has nothing to do with Brazil.



Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa said that Portugal "takes full responsibility" for the slave trade atrocities of its colonial period.

President of Portugal calls for slave trade reparations




Europe were the first to invade Turkey space through the Roman empire. Byzantine Empire was the remnant of the Roman Empire. The They didnt pay themselves that was why the "revenge" went on.

Blazetrailer:
Not that this matters to the argument but since you brought it up, FYI I am not in a refugee camp, in fact, i am rising up in the corporate ladder here. Some of us decided to take the war of personal development seriously to create opportunities for ourselves and our coming generations rather than wait for handouts from others while pandering to thieves and drug lords as leaders. An unserious country where half of the law markers are on EFCC corrupt list including a senate president and an ex convict like Kalu Uzor Kalu making laws for them but wants colonialists to develop them by compesating them...imagine the buffoonery??

You cant help yourself but vote thieves into power but demanding others to use their resources to develop you..... One of the most stupid ans obtuse line of reasoning i have ever read.

Mumu, keep demanding for development, as China demanded from Japan and Germany/France demanded from Turkey...oponu!!

Blazetrailer:
This is how to know the semi literates online. Lol!

Funds paid by Japan to many countries going by their Treaty 49 was pure and pure compensation, same thing as reparations, hand outs.

Japan paid reparations to both China, Burma, Korea and other small Islands it invaded because of the atrocities committed by its soldiers during the wars and not any nonsense ODA. Read it up. Same was offered to Russia/Soviet Union but the rejected it considering it condescending to their status.

What this buffoon has been talking about since is reparations. That is, for some countries to dash you money due to past events. ODA is a synonym for reparations.

History of Official Development Assistance (ODA) to China (1979 and 2022)

Official Development Assistance (ODA) to China began in 1979, and ended in March 2022. Total numbers are approximately 3.3165 trillion yen in loan aid (yen loans), 157.6 billion yen in grant aid, and 185.8 billion yen in technical cooperation. (As of FY 2020)

Grant Aid
Grant aid is financial assistance that is extended to recipient countries without imposing an obligation of repayment.

Loan Aid
Loan aid involves the provision of loans under relaxed conditions (low interest, long repayment period) to recipient countries. (These are in principle untied loans.)

Technical Cooperation
Technical cooperation involves the technologies being provided to recipient countries to spread the use of technology among people in developing countries and improve technical levels.

llakes4real:
Dont lose steam! Come back.

What is the exact point you are trying to make? Japan paid those it hurt, but you have been defending nonsense.


Since you are too lazy to read the first link:



https://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/oda/region/e_asia/china/index.html


What excuse do you have for the countries stated above that are demanding justice? Hmm?

llakes4real:
The other parts have been replied above.



I serious doubt you are doing well. Are you any different from Kalu? You came from the same primitive pool as Uzor Kalu, but you somehow want to whitewash yourself. How?

You couldnt make anything of yourself in Nigeria, nor impact your society, but you want us to believe you are making something of yourself in Canada. This is impossible!

Blazetrailer:
Lol...wonders shall never end. I can extract it from your revised position below that what you are invariably "demanding" for is reparation and coated in the form of ODAs

Now that you have admitted you were asking for reparations, brother, take it from me, no serious country will even pretend to listen to you. Do you know how many years the call for reparation for Africa have been going? Take it, no serious country will give you shishi!

Get your ass off the chair and go work hard. Lazy bum!

As for your other foaming in the mouth, I disregard it. Its not worth my time