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fawaz050:
Based on this your logic, it's safe to say God came down, got mauled by his own creation, and died?

Why hasn't he come down again since then, given the evil present now is gargantuan compared to then?

Is anything impossible for God?

Is death to you a kind of Annihilation or change in existence?

Who says that Christ is NOT coming back again? Even Muslims attests to that!

AntiChristian:
Yes, he appeared as a perfect man!

So, is it true that while Jibril appeared as a perfect man (indistinguishable from a human man) he still was an Angel?

TenQ:
I have discovered that to a very large extent, Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Hence I bring this Question to Muslims.

When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?


The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:18
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!


When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?



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I pity those who are engaging you in discussion about Islam and futiley wanted to convince you, anti Islam robotically programed.

TenQ:
I have discovered that to a very large extent, Islam cannot stand scrutiny. Hence I bring this Question to Muslims.

When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?


The Qur'an says:
Qur'an 19:18
Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.

The Question again!


When Jubril came to Mary as a Man, did he stop being an Angel?



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The angel sent as man to Marry is your headache about Islam, your biblical God that fought with Jacob as a man and was even defeated by Jacob didn't concern you, abi?

gaskiyamagana:
The angel sent as man to Marry is your headache about Islam, your biblical God that fought with Jacob as a man and was even defeated by Jacob didn't concern you, abi?

Not one bit. Because when my son was a toddler, I allow him beat me in wrestling match.

Too bad for Islam: incoherent collection of lies and fabrications that cannot withstand small questioning.

When Jibril became a man, did he stop being an angel?

gaskiyamagana:
I pity those who are engaging you in discussion about Islam and futiley wanted to convince you, anti Islam robotically programed.

Because Islam is a corrupted Arian religion serving Baal without knowing because the greatest Deceiver has imprisoned their reasoning faculty.

Only at death would majority discover that they have followed the Antichrist rather than the Messiah!

AntiChristian:
He appeared as a man! So at that moment he was a man, a messenger of Allah as the verse said!

So are u saying at that moment he appeared as a man, he stopped being an angel?

AntiChristian:
Once again Allah never said that in the Qu'ran!

Here are some interpretations:
Sahih International: And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.

Pickthall: And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Yusuf Ali: And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).

Shakir: And Mariam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

Muhammad Sarwar: He has also told, as a parable, the story of Mary, daughter of Imran who preserved her virginity and (into whose womb) We breathed Our spirit. She made the words of her Lord and the predictions in His Books come true. She was an obedient woman.

Mohsin Khan: And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" and he was; that is 'Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah).

Arberry: And Mary, Imran's daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient

As per the lie you claimed i lied, the tafsirs vindicates me!
First of all, scholars of Tafseer had several opinions regarding the meaning of Farjaha (her Farj) in the saying of Allaah The Almighty: {Who guarded Farjaha}[Quran 66: 12] Some of them said: "It means the known private part." Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment in which Jibreel (Gabriel) blew and that breath went into her womb; this is how ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was conceived."

Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him said: "There are different opinions regarding the Farj that Allaah The Almighty said that she guarded. Some said: "It refers to her private part that she guarded against fornication. Some others said: "It means the neck opening of her garment from which she prevented Jibreel before she came to know that he was the messenger of her Lord. This is proved by His saying {So We blew into her} and this followed His saying: {Who guarded Farjaha}. They said: "In this way, the meaning is: who guarded the neck opening of her garment and We blew into it [her garment] through Our angel."

Al-Qurtubi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in his Tafseer: "{Who guarded Farjaha} meaning, who guarded her chastity and refrained from fornication. It was also said: "The word Farj means the neck opening of the garment, meaning no suspicion afflicted her garment (i.e. honor)." In other words, her garment (honor) is pure. A garment has four openings: Two sleeves and the upper and lower openings... " [End quote]

Az-Zarkashi may Allaah have mercy upon him said in Al-Burhaan: "Whoever thinks that it means the private part is really mistaken. Rather, it is one of the finest and best metonymy. It refers to the neck opening of the garment, i.e. no suspicion afflicted her garment (honor). She has pure garments (i.e. she is chaste); and the garment has four openings; two sleeves…etc." [End quote]

If we assume that what is meant is the private part, as is the view of Ibn Jareer At-Tabari may Allaah have mercy upon him then Allaah The Almighty has mentioned it about Maryam (Mary) to explain her chastity and prove her innocence of what the Jews, may Allaah curse them repeatedly, accused her of.

Hence, explicit mention of such matters that the questioner called 'sexual' is not considered dispraised in all conditions.

I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

EVERY MEANS OF MESSAGING IS ANGELIC AND A MIRACLE FROM GOD.

SIRTee15:
I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

How did the Angel do the blowing?
Tell us what you're thinking as led by the holy spirit?

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” is a quote from the Bible as regards Mary and the Angel in Luke 1:35

Hypocrites will interpret the Qur'an with the porn in their mind but their Bible will be interpreted by the holy spirit!

What's the Holy spirit's business coming upon Mary? Why did the power of the most high overshadow Mary? But the Angel can't blow into her garment?

SIRTee15:
So are u saying at that moment he appeared as a man, he stopped being an angel?

What does an Angel do?
Does the Angel appear as an Angel at that time?

I think you should be able to answer the question on your own!

AntiChristian:
What does an Angel do?
Does the Angel appear as an Angel at that time?

I think you should be able to answer the question on your own!

so u mean when Jubril appeared to Mary as a man, he wasn't an angel during those time duration.
is that what u saying?

SIRTee15:
I find it very disturbing that an Angel blew into Mary's garment.
what is Angel's business with a women's privacy?

Tell him to give you every synonyms for
1. Sleeve
2. Garments
3. Womb
and see if he would arrive at Farjaha

Tell Antichristian to give you five Arabic sentences with the word Farjaha
Lets see if anyone will give the meaning as sleeve or garment


Farjiha means only one thing in Arabic: Female Vulva or Vagina


Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 66:11-12
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. This is why Allah said here,

(And We breathed into it through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,) meaning His decree and His legislation.

Tafsir Quran 66.10-12 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
That is, without her having any connection with a man, Allah breathed into her womb a Spirit from Himself. (For explanation, see E.N.'s 212, 213 of An-Nisa' and E.N. 89 of Al-Anbiya').

Reference for the two Tafsirs above https://quranx.com/tafsirs/66.12

Lies that Muslims cannot tell doesn't exist yet

AntiChristian:
How did the Angel do the blowing?
Tell us what you're thinking as led by the holy spirit?

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you” is a quote from the Bible as regards Mary and the Angel in Luke 1:35

Hypocrites will interpret the Qur'an with the porn in their mind but their Bible will be interpreted by the holy spirit!

What's the Holy spirit's business coming upon Mary? Why did the power of the most high overshadow Mary? But the Angel can't blow into her garment?

Holy spirit overshadow believers to manifest his work/miracles. Mary getting pregnant without intimacy is a miracle from the holy spirit.

But jubril blowing into the garment of Mary sounds very disturbing to be honest. why is he blowing the miracle into her garment? why cant jubril just blow into her face, why must it be under her garment?

SIRTee15:
Holy spirit overshadow believers to manifest his work/miracles. Mary getting pregnant without intimacy is a miracle from the holy spirit.

But jubril blowing into the garment of Mary sounds very disturbing to be honest. why is he blowing the miracle into her garment? why cant jubril just blow into her face, why must it be under her garment?

Holy did not overshadow Mary! Holy spirit came upon Mary?

How does a spirit come upon a woman? How does a man cum upon a woman?
That should be more disturbing to you!

SIRTee15:
so u mean when Jubril appeared to Mary as a man, he wasn't an angel during those time duration.
is that what u saying?

If Mary had seen an Angel she'd run away!

TenQ:
Tell him to give you every synonyms for
1. Sleeve
2. Garments
3. Womb
and see if he would arrive at Farja

Tell Antichristian to give you five Arabic sentences with the word Farjaha
Lets see if anyone will give the meaning as sleeve or garment


Farjiha means only one thing in Arabic: Female Vulva or Vagina


Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 66:11-12
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. This is why Allah said here,

(And We breathed into it through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,) meaning His decree and His legislation.

Tafsir Quran 66.10-12 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
That is, without her having any connection with a man, Allah breathed into her womb a Spirit from Himself. (For explanation, see E.N.'s 212, 213 of An-Nisa' and E.N. 89 of Al-Anbiya').

Reference for the two Tafsirs above https://quranx.com/tafsirs/66.12

Lies that Muslims cannot tell doesn't exist yet

Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

The verse says she guarded her farja and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

Qasim6:
Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

The verse says she guarded her farjaha and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

This is not his first time asking that question! And he will ask it till he dies!

AntiChristian:
Holy did not overshadow Mary! Holy spirit came upon Mary?

How does a spirit come upon a woman? How does a man cum upon a woman?
That should be more disturbing to you!

Holy spirit come upon prophets to manifest his work.

Acts 1.8
[i]But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Judges 14.6
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon Samson so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Isaiah 42.1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Isaiah 61.1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Isaiah 11:2
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD

Judges 3
10 The Spirit of the LORD came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him.

1 Chronicles 12:18-20
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, chief of the Thirty, and he said: “We are yours, David! We are with you, son of Jesse! Success, success to you, and success to those who help you, for your God will help you.” So David received them and made them leaders of his raiding bands.

Numbers 11
16 The Lord answered Moses, “Bring Me 70 men from Israel known to you as elders and officers of the people. Take them to the tent of meeting and have them stand there with you. 17 Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.
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These are verses where the Holy spirit came upon people to manifest his mighty work. There's nothing disturbing about it and there's nothing about Holy spirit coming upon Mary that's disturbing.

But I find it very disturbing that a Man sent by God would blow under a woman's garment to perform miracle.
That's very gross.

AntiChristian:
If Mary had seen an Angel she'd run away!

I just want to clarify. Did Jubril stop being an angel when he appeared to Mary.

Qasim6:
Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

Muslims will never stop embarrassing themselves with deep fabrications just to sustain their lies.
In Qur'an 33:35, I guess you didn't check that

The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.

The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Either way, it's not chastity nor garment not sleeves.

Just give me five Arabic sentences using the word fahjaha and translate.

Qasim6:
The verse says she guarded her farjaha and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The fact that I quoted your Qur'an translation does not mean that I don't know what it says.

It says we breathe into IT and not we breathe into her.

Qasim6:
The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

Chastity is not an IT
Vulva is an IT

In Qur'an 21:91, the word "فِيهَا" "fīhā" translates to "in it" or "into it" in English and not INTO HER



Fabricate something else: I am waiting!

SIRTee15:
Holy spirit come upon prophets to manifest his work.

Acts 1.8
[i]But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Judges 14.6
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon Samson so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Isaiah 42.1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Isaiah 61.1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Isaiah 11:2
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD

Judges 3
10 The Spirit of the LORD came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him.

1 Chronicles 12:18-20
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, chief of the Thirty, and he said: “We are yours, David! We are with you, son of Jesse! Success, success to you, and success to those who help you, for your God will help you.” So David received them and made them leaders of his raiding bands.

Numbers 11
16 The Lord answered Moses, “Bring Me 70 men from Israel known to you as elders and officers of the people. Take them to the tent of meeting and have them stand there with you. 17 Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.
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These are verses where the Holy spirit came upon people to manifest his mighty work. There's nothing disturbing about it and there's nothing about Holy spirit coming upon Mary that's disturbing.

But I find it very disturbing that a Man sent by God would blow under a woman's garment to perform miracle.
That's very gross.

A Donkey will carry a whole library on its back yet reman totally ignorant. This is the case of Antichristian and others on the fact that the Holy Spirit comes upon people for empowerment purpose: it is also called the anointing

TenQ:
Muslims will never stop embarrassing themselves with deep fabrications just to sustain their lies.
In Qur'an 33:35, I guess you didn't check that

The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.

The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Either way, it's not chastity nor garment not sleeves.

Just give me five Arabic sentences using the word fahjaha and translate.




The fact that I quoted your Qur'an translation does not mean that I don't know what it says.

It says we breathe into IT and not we breathe into her.



Chastity is not an IT
Vulva is an IT

In Qur'an 21:91, the word "فِيهَا" "fīhā" translates to "in it" or "into it" in English and not INTO HER



Fabricate something else: I am waiting!

Engaging you is a waste of time!

Professor of Arabic studies are you telling us the correct translation of the verse should have been

so We breathed into IT through Our angel, making IT and ITS son a sign for all peoples.

rather than
so We breathed into her through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Just stop embarrassing yourself already!


And yes furuja-hum and farja-ha are the same word, furuja-hum is just the plural form since the subject "men" is plural.

So I'm asking again do men now have viginas?

TenQ:
A Donkey will carry a whole library on its back yet reman totally ignorant. This is the case of Antichristian and others on the fact that the Holy Spirit comes upon people for empowerment purpose: it is also called the anointing

Holy spirit came upon Samson to kill people many times! That's empowerment and anointing!

SIRTee15:
I just want to clarify. Did Jubril stop being an angel when he appeared to Mary.

Yes, according to the Bible he stopped!

SIRTee15:
Holy spirit come upon prophets to manifest his work.

Acts 1.8
[i]But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Judges 14.6
The Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon Samson so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told neither his father nor his mother what he had done.

Isaiah 42.1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Isaiah 61.1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Isaiah 11:2
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD

Judges 3
10 The Spirit of the LORD came on him, so that he became Israel’s judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him.

1 Chronicles 12:18-20
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, chief of the Thirty, and he said: “We are yours, David! We are with you, son of Jesse! Success, success to you, and success to those who help you, for your God will help you.” So David received them and made them leaders of his raiding bands.

Numbers 11
16 The Lord answered Moses, “Bring Me 70 men from Israel known to you as elders and officers of the people. Take them to the tent of meeting and have them stand there with you. 17 Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.
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These are verses where the Holy spirit came upon people to manifest his mighty work. There's nothing disturbing about it and there's nothing about Holy spirit coming upon Mary that's disturbing.

But I find it very disturbing that a Man sent by God would blow under a woman's garment to perform miracle.
That's very gross.

Your hypocrisy is legendary! I once asked how did the holy spirit cum on Mary? How did the power of the most high overshadow her to get pregnant?

See the holy spirit on Samson below:
In Judges 15:14-16
As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

If it's in the Qur'an now you'll shout the holy spirit supports terrorism! But you'll always have one excuse or the other for the Bible!

AntiChristian:
Your hypocrisy is legendary! I once asked how did the holy spirit cum on Mary? How did the power of the most high overshadow her to get pregnant?

See the holy spirit on Samson below:
In Judges 15:14-16
As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

If it's in the Qur'an now you'll shout the holy spirit supports terrorism! But you'll always have one excuse or the other for the Bible!

Ok, at least U have admitted holy spirit coming upon a person has nothing to do with sex.
That settles the matter with holy spirit coming upon Mary.

Now why did a Man who appeared to Mary, lifted up her garment and blew into it.
In case U don't know, that's sexual assault.
Did the Man seek Mary's permission b4 lifting up her garment and blowing into her farjah.
Did Mary give consent?

Sorry but the whole event looks very gross and disturbing.
And yes, it's sexual assault. It's a violation of Mary's personal space, privacy and dignity.

It's wrong for a Man to appear to a woman in her room, lift up her garment and blew into it without consent.

AntiChristian:
Yes, according to the Bible he stopped!

Leave the bible out of your confusion.

Answer my question with the Quran.

According to the Qur'an, did Jubril stop being an angel when he appeared to Mary as a Man.

TenQ:
A Donkey will carry a whole library on its back yet reman totally ignorant. This is the case of Antichristian and others on the fact that the Holy Spirit comes upon people for empowerment purpose: it is also called the anointing

I'm beginning to suspect this AntiChristian.
He has engaged enough and long time with Christians here to know Islam is false.

I can bet deep within him he knows Muhammed is a false prophet and never spoke to any angel.
We have shown him countless times the problematic theology in Islam but yet remains obstinate.

I'm beginning to think he's benefiting from Islam. Only God knows if he's the treasurer of one Haj pilgrimage committee. The financial gain he's getting from Islam would not allowed him leave the religion.

Qasim6:
Engaging you is a waste of time!

Professor of Arabic studies are you telling us the correct translation of the verse should have been

so We breathed into IT through Our angel, making IT and ITS son a sign for all peoples.

rather than
so We breathed into her through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Just stop embarrassing yourself already!


And yes furuja-hum and farja-ha are the same word, furuja-hum is just the plural form since the subject "men" is plural.

So I'm asking again do men now have viginas?

This is the correct translation below
Quran 21:91
And the one who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into it through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Are these two wrong interpretations?

1. The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" which translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.
2. The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Meaning that "furūjuhum" and "fahjaha" refers to PRIVATE PARTS. "furūjuhum" is Plural while "fahjaha" is singular FEMALE


The Private part of a Woman is called either VULVA or VAGINA!
This was what your Jibril BLEW into!

SIRTee15:
I'm beginning to suspect this AntiChristian.
He has engaged enough and long time with Christians here to know Islam is false.

I can bet deep within him he knows Muhammed is a false prophet and never spoke to any angel.
We have shown him countless times the problematic theology in Islam but yet remains obstinate.

I'm beginning to think he's benefiting from Islam. Only God knows if he's the treasurer of one Haj pilgrimage committee. The financial gain he's getting from Islam would not allowed him leave the religion.

1. The thing is that Islam is first a spiritual deception
2. Then it is a spiritual prison

Apart from those who benefit from Islam, ALL Muslims emotionally truly want islam to be true even if they have to fabricate a lie to convince themselves

AntiChristian:
Holy spirit came upon Samson to kill people many times! That's empowerment and anointing!

At least you now know that the phrase means empowerment!
This is sufficient for me!