₦airaland Forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_HG9OkJm7s

An interesting perspective!

Yes they do! If only to fight female genital mutilation, which is rampant in some African countries, and to debunk the stupid notion that the woman is a man's rib.

budaatum:
Yes they do! If only to fight female genital mutilation, which is rampant in some African countries, and to debunk the stupid notion that the woman is a man's rib .

How can the bolded be achieved when our African feminists are the gladiators of YHWH and still cling, strongly, to their Genesis chapter 1.

kkins25:
How can the bolded be achieved when our African feminists are the gladiators of YHWH and still cling, strongly, to their Genesis chapter 1.

Not all African feminists are gladiators of ignorance. Many are lifting sisters up one at a time.

kkins25:
An interesting perspective!

I hate the way Africans tend to make generalized claims when speaking of issues concerning Africans. Even in Nigeria, there are well over 250 ethnic groups/cultures that are so very different from the one described by the woman in the video.

budaatum:
Not all African feminists are gladiators of ignorance. Many are lifting sisters up one at a time.

In the same sense, most men aren't misogynist.

Kobojunkie:
I hate the way Africans tend to make generalized claims when speaking of issues concerning Africans. Even in Nigeria, there are well over 250 ethnic groups/cultures that are so very different from the one described by the woman in the video.

That's true, but you cannot deny that across the continent, the sub-Saharan part of it at least, were women-loving. In fact, historians trace the concept of misogyny to Rome and Greece. Christianity spread through these people, so it's no wonder Christianity and Islam are very anti-women.

Some of these misogynistic takes were non-existent to me, until I found the internet and Twitter, of course. I've never been in a setting, contributed, or heard where boys discussed that women were in any way lesser than men.

Women aren't intelligent? da fvck? I got my ass handed to me by women in primary, JSS, SSS, and University. Hell, I even served under a girl as assistant class rep in Jss1. Back then, the person with the most A's automatically was handed the Class rep title. Maybe just my experience.

I never walked through any phase of life with any idea that I was superior to any woman. Of course, there are the men are the providers and women the homemakers. To me, it looked, okay division of labor. I know for sure that African women get a lot of help from their children in that regard. Compared to western women whose kids can decide to skip domestic chores if they feel like it.

So, coming on the internet to find all these hot takes of how women were enslaved by men from time immemorial seemed excessive. Maybe, I just have a different world view of things.

That said, I became aware of social injustices against women when I read some Islamic handout out of curiosity (I was having existential crisis at this point) discussing how Prophet Mohammed "uplifted" Arab women.

Genital mutilation was a thing. Although, I don't understand why same traditions, for men and women, are given different nomenclature. Because, I for sure know, male circumcision didn't happen for health benefits in men. Although, it's a whole arena of speculation. Anyway, my point is, if both genders had their genitals mutilated on grounds of traditional practices, what's the women are hated angle coming from? I've seen how some traditions circumcised men and It's freaking scary!

To the woman's defense, she did narrate from the perspective of her culture. This is true for cultures i'm associated with; Yoruba and Asante. I don't fancy separating the word "African" from representing a group of people who are, by all means, African. When African Americans talk about life in America, they don't say, "Oh, it's not America, it's just Atlanta."

kkins25:
In the same sense, most men aren't misogynist.

All men are not misogynists.

I wouldn't go as far as claiming most aren't, especially where Africans (and Americans) are concerned.

kkins25:
I never walked through any phase of life with any idea that I was superior to any woman.

You might have never, but generalising that all or most men are like you is you sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all the Andrew Tates on redphills around you.

budaatum:
You might have never, but generalizing that all or most men are like you is you sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all the Andrew Tates on redphills around you.

Certainly, there will always be Andrew Tates around. We live in a society, after all.

budaatum:
All men are not misogynists.

I wouldn't go as far as claiming most aren't, especially where Africans (and Americans) are concerned.

It depends, if you say, misogyny, in the sense that someone just wants to see women maltreated, versus, those who believe the order of things in the past should remain so. Plus, some traditions might be misogynistic from my point of view but, not from the point of view of the accused.
If I walk into Jigsawa state where the Fulani there still practice "The boy who can collect the most strokes of Koboko will marry my daughter" shouting misandrist, I think they'd chop off my head. Do we classify such traditions where both parties are willing participants as Misandrist or Misogyny? Am I in a position to go round changing people's traditions?

kkins25:
Certainly, there will always be Andrew Tates around. We live in a society, after all.



It depends, if you say, misogyny, in the sense that someone just wants to see women maltreated, versus, those who believe the order of things in the past should remain so. Plus, some traditions might be misogynistic from my point of view but, not from the point of view of the accused.
If I walk into Jigsawa state where the Fulani there still practice "The boy who can collect the most strokes of Koboko will marry my daughter" shouting misandrist, I think they'd chop off my head. Do we classify such traditions where both parties are willing participants as Misandrist or Misogyny? Am I in a position to go round changing people's traditions?

I did feel we needed a definition, so let me provide one.

Misogyny is the hatred, contempt, or prejudice against women or girls. It can also refer to a social system or environment where women are treated with hostility or hatred. Misogyny is a form of sexism that can help maintain the social roles of patriarchy, where men have a higher social status than women.

If we were talking about theft, you would not accept that I borrowed what I stole from you because that's how I define what I did.

kkins25:
Am I in a position to go round changing people's traditions?

You may personally not be, but you can still support those who are, or even campaign against it here. My promotion of Eve's use of her senses is an example.

Below are some organisations that may benefit from your support. It does not need to be financial alone.

https://www.fgmcri.org/

https://www.actionaid.org.uk/changelives/rg/donate-for-womens-rights

https://www.orchidproject.org/about-fgc/where-does-fgc-happen/nigeria/

https://www.endfgm.eu/members/full-members/

Do be aware that fgm is not the only way misogyny is perpetuated. There are many others ways in which women are oppressed that make feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes, necessary.

budaatum:
You may personally not be, but you can still support those who are, or even campaign against it here. My promotion of Eve's use of her senses is an example.

Below are some organisations that may benefit from your support. It does not need to be financial alone.

https://www.fgmcri.org/

https://www.actionaid.org.uk/changelives/rg/donate-for-womens-rights

https://www.orchidproject.org/about-fgc/where-does-fgc-happen/nigeria/

https://www.endfgm.eu/members/full-members/

Do be aware that fgm is not the only way misogyny is perpetuated. There are many others ways in which women are oppressed that make feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes, necessary.

Well, that's one way to end a discussion.

budaatum:
You might have never, but generalising that all or most men are like you is you sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all the Andrew Tates on redphills around you.

You know, I didn't even remember Muslim men, who make up almost half the men on earth. I forgot I'm not speaking in the context of western world, but the entire world. My bad!

I guess you're right.