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|What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 9:56am On Aug 30, 2018|
I have always wondered why most Nigerians cringe and become hostile whenever they hear the word "feminist" or "feminism" including women !!,now reading through the comments we make I have also come to realise that most people don't even know what feminism means,so let's consult Google
The advocacy of women's rights,on the ground of the equality of the sexes
Now we would look at the above statement in two ways
First the advocacy of women's right
Its very obvious that in our society women are being neglected,abused and marginalized in so many ways,so a course that fights for these rights taken away from women doesn't seem to be a bad one for me
Second equality of the sexes
Now the above statement does not mean that a man is the same as a woman physically speaking,but as long as human rights is concerned,a woman should be treated equally as a man,that means a woman should gain as much respect as a man does,a woman should be given the same privileges a man gets,and a woman should get the same opportunities a man gets.Relax I know what you are thinking,and I agree with you in a way,this is not entirely possible,women are different from men,nature made it so,and in the society both play different roles,but as much as possible a woman should be given the same rights a man gets,now why not ask yourself(if your are a male) why do you want to be superior to women,what value does it add to you and the society,you want a world of discrimination, a world where because you were born to be a certain sex(something you did not contribute to in any way),simply because of that you should be superior to women,you want a world were you can verbally abuse a woman and she dares not talk back because of her sex,you want a world where you gain certain opportunities ahead of more qualified individuals who are denied of that opportunity because they are the "weaker" sex,you want a world where wives are seen as a property of their husbands ready to be used as the husband pleases,you want a world were you would rule over another person because you were born as a male
So tell me exactly what is wrong with feminism, because it seems to be that the opposite of feminism is misogyny (prejudice against women)and I think that the only person who has the right to shame women is that person who was not born of a woman,even Jesus your "saviour" supposedly came from the womb of a woman,no man played a role in his birth biologically speaking but a woman did,doesn't that alone confer a certain honour to women,what reason exactly do you have to feel that simply because you are a male that you are naturally superior to a woman,is it because of your physical strength,the only difference there is just testosterone,if women inject testosterone they would be as strong as men are,so physical strength is not so special besides so many women are more physically stronger than men,is it your mental capabilities, women are just as smart as men are and in some cases even smarter so I don't think any of the sexes is smarter per se,but I'm not arguing which sex is smarter I'm simply saying that being a male does not make you smarter than a female vice versa, so what else, is it in the angle of reproduction,women in my opinion contribute 80% to child bearing and rearing, how many single fathers do you have,compare that to the number of single mothers you have and so many others too.
So when I look at it the main reason why people(especially men) oppose feminism is selfishness and pride, human beings are naturally selfish and proud,if they don't want to be regarded as superior and honoured more than others due to skin colour, it would be due to profession,or due to wealth,or one thing or the other,we want to be superior to others that's it,besides that if you objectively examine the result we would have if women are given equal opportunities priviledges and respect as men(in the areas most necessary) you would see the splendid results we achieve,men would also wake up from complacency and contribute more to the society,so again I ask,
WHAT ISSUE DO YOU HAVE WITH FEMINISM
p.s I am not ignorant of the fact that we have been institutionalized(if I may use that word),hence what we regard as feminism in our head is quite contrast to what I'm referring to,but the truth remains that feminism is a human institution and like every other human institution is subject to abuse and misinterpretation,so the fact that feminism has been abused and misinterpreted to mean so many things does not mean that it is wrong,in fact so many people are feminists but don't want to be associated with the word and may even be aggressive to those who identify as such, so for the sake of the topic,try to understand what the word feminism stands for,and don't judge it by the approach of the people you regard as feminists,whether they are or not
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 11:08am On Aug 30, 2018|
..... a womanI had to struggle to find a phrase I could disagree with. But not finding one, I made one up for myself! "
Woman is in no way the equal of man. The fact that man has a puny 3 letters while woman has five gives this away. And the fact that 'man' comes out of 'woman' is another. Isn't it just amazing that despite copious amounts of evidence to the contrary, most people seem to buy the lie?!
The fact is that the woman is far more superior to man, and claiming equality of the sexes is a feel good fallacy that man has cooked up to give himself relevance! Woman "multiplies" by producing offspring, a huge feat man just cannot achieve. Life grows inside the woman while absolutely nothing grows inside the man. Woman produces food in it's body for the offspring, another thing the man is absolutely useless at.
You, op, say "even Jesus your "saviour" supposedly came from the womb of a woman, no man played a role in his birth biologically speaking but a woman did". Isn't this enough to make you understand that man is rather inferior to woman who can even give birth to a whole God Jesus Christ without you?
Ever since the woman's eye opened, man has been working to blind woman. First they claim "if you eat you will die". Then they claim it was a nasty "serpent" who said "eat". Then to cover up the fact no one died, they redefine death, and call the throes of producing life, pain, and add some silly line about the desire of the woman being for her needless husband, who "will rule over" her. And the woman, buys into this nonsense, least it be said that she worships a snake!
There's quite a lot wrong with Feminism, especially if it implies an equality of the sexes! For the truth of Feminism is that the woman is not in any way the equal of man because the woman is way far too superior to man to be equal to that pig called man. And the fear of man will always be that the eye of the woman shall open and that she places man exactly where he deserves to be, crushed under her heels!
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 11:27am On Aug 30, 2018|
well I don't want to emphasize what you've said cause its clear enough,if there were to be any of the two sexes who should be superior I would think think that the role women play in reproduction would be a strong argument to place them ahead of men come to think of it,science is going places and today we have sperm banks,if in future it becomes possible to store sperms for a long long time,then even if the population of men is way less than it is now,reproduction would still continue unhindered,but imagine if the population of women reduces drastically,there would be a massive decrease on the world's population,even right now there are more women in the world than men maybe nature knows this too,nonetheless I'm not saying that anyone is superior to the other,for now let's just settle at treating each other equally
still waiting for the anti feminist camp
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 11:32am On Aug 30, 2018|
darkchild64:No! Men should be told the truth!
They are insignificant needless things that would one day be replaced by sperm banks!
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 12:27pm On Aug 30, 2018|
I think that's a hyperbole
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by LuvU2(f): 12:47pm On Aug 30, 2018|
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 12:54pm On Aug 30, 2018|
darkchild64:You wait till woman eye open. Some men would be kept for the harvesting of their sperm. The rest would be kept like robots to do all the work that needs doing while the woman puts her feet up on his head which would be her footstool. Then come tell me how you think my bole is hyper!
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 1:13pm On Aug 30, 2018|
till then,your bole remains hyper
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by MONIKERREVEALER: 1:23pm On Aug 30, 2018|
budaatum:is this a prophecy from eartum or just your own personal prediction?
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 3:01pm On Aug 30, 2018|
MONIKERREVEALER:Sorry, I don't do prophecies. My crystal ball was shipped from China and arrived with a crack in it and ever since then I've had to rely on my personal observations.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by EmperorHarry: 3:06pm On Aug 30, 2018|
SMH for humanity.
We defo don't like balance..We don't like the way something is,we wanna change it.Whether it affects universal balance in the long term we don't care.We just act impulsively..Look where we at,global warming, overpopulation,food scarcity,extinction of wild life,deforestation on a massive scale,increase in sea level,pollution of land and water,greed..I could go on and on.We're the catalysts of our own extinction..Most terminal diseases too are effects of our actions.
All this could have been avoided if we could swallow the simplest truth "Life Is Unfair"
Yes,we did make some ground breaking achievements and praised ourselves when we tampered with the balance but in the long run we only have ourselves to blame..Now we're looking for how to escape from a sinking ship and live on Mars.
This is the same thing that is repeating itself through feminism..Is it wrong?! Hell no.Does it for fight for a important cause?! A big yes. Does the way the world (including men and women) views women and women right need a new perspective?! Yes. Even without feminism women still have control over the affairs of the world cos I don't see why I would want to live a above my means if it's not to impress a female or females in general.The chain I presume is "Money controls women controls men". I'm not against feminism(again) but my major concern is that it is taken too far and taken advantage of.You tamper with the balance and praise yourself and then you do it again and again until you realise the effects are irreversible.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by MONIKERREVEALER: 3:06pm On Aug 30, 2018|
budaatum:so I take it that your view is not from knoliud/eartum/domino reverad then?
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by MONIKERREVEALER: 3:14pm On Aug 30, 2018|
budaatum:and another thing. I was of the opinion that advanced mystics do not find it necessary to use paraphanelia such as crystal balls as energy focusers before they access the other realms. correct me if I am mistaken. thanks.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 3:19pm On Aug 30, 2018|
MONIKERREVEALER:Wouldn't know. Never said I was mystic or accessing other realms.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 3:21pm On Aug 30, 2018|
MONIKERREVEALER:I'm certain it said budaatum when you quoted. Should I go back and check, or would you please? There might have been an error there somewhere that I might have missed, thanks.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by MONIKERREVEALER: 3:35pm On Aug 30, 2018|
budaatum:apologies. I took you for otematum. take care.
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 3:45pm On Aug 30, 2018|
EmperorHarry:well my main aim is to change the mindset of nigerians towards feminism, like I have been saying every human institution has its own challenges but we are not to abandon a good course because of the challenges it would pose,Nigerians need to welcome the idea of treating women equally but even more importantly Nigerians need to get rid of the idea that men(for the sake of being male alone) are superior to women
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by EmperorHarry: 4:16pm On Aug 30, 2018|
darkchild64:It's everybody's aim to change something without exploring the different possibilities that can occur.
Who is advocating for the male spider that dies after intercouse with the black widow?! No one and without human intervention,it would continue that way till the end of time.Let's take a look at the ants for example,they're are smart creatures yet they all have their jobs assigned to them even before they are born in order to keep the balance of the colony.
We are smarter than ants and as such we can modify the laws of nature in ways other organisms can not..Make research on how homes fare when the woman brings in the money and the man for whatever reason does not..Do you know the backlash and insults behind closed doors the dude gets?! Do you know the way other women(friends of the woman and strangers) look at him with contempt and talk shit behind his back..Fine,there are those that are justified cos the man lives his life in an undignified and disgraceful way. But what of those who don't fall into this category.
I've lived in a house where a girl tried to seduce me at every given moment..Fooling herself and thinking she had some kinda control over me(cos of the ducking stereotype that all men have high sex drive and would want to have sex with anything)..And every time I complained,people would downplay her part and say I'm the one imagining things..So from personal experiences I would say not all women have "sense".Even the one's joining the band wagon of feminists are just the follow the crowd kinda people not really knowing what its all about.
Each sex has their quirks and shortcomings,so please have an understanding about them both before saying demeaning things about men.
We don't live in Rosa parks era. We're getting somewhere.
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 4:22pm On Aug 30, 2018|
so this is what I make of your post,correct me if its not what you mean
you are trying to say that we should not accept the idea of feminism hence women should continue to be seen as inferior to men and they should not be given the same right that men enjoy in the society
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Ontoog(m): 4:32pm On Aug 30, 2018|
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by danvon(m): 4:33pm On Aug 30, 2018|
What's wrong with Feminism? Op there's ur answer above
There will be no such thing equality one must be superior and the other inferior
But budda I thought you were a guy?
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by EmperorHarry: 4:44pm On Aug 30, 2018|
darkchild64:Actually no..In all that ranting is a point which is don't be bias about it...You saying things like women are a integral part of reproduction(which is true) as a reason for superiority is very biased.Just like other organisms we have no say in such things..It's much bigger than us.
Women are abused&Men are abused but one is more than the other. Men are assaulted Women are assaulted but one is more than the other. Men are insulted and mocked when they can't provide for their families Women are insulted and mocked when they can't provide for their families but one is more than the other..You get where I'm going with that.
Feminism is a good thing but it gives women an advantage if everyone keeps downpalying the problems faced by the opposite sex. In a world where equality it's at an all time high,stereotypes about men are still at a all time high..Women laugh at a man cos he can't carry something heavy cos all men are meant to be strong and all that..They also say things like he doesn't last long and make fun of our sizes..So quite frankly I'm pissed when I hear about this feminism mostly when it's used inappropriately. Everybody deserves rights. That's just my point.
Maybe I sound misogynistic(slightly) but I'm pretty sure I'm not blinded by the pity party women are getting cos men face challenges too..Who makes a pity party for them?! No one(until recently)
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 5:36pm On Aug 30, 2018|
my aim like I said before is to correct the notion that women are inferior to men,feminism does not solve all humanities problems,but considering the misconceptions nigerians have about the topic a reorientation is needed
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by EmperorHarry: 6:02pm On Aug 30, 2018|
darkchild64:I'm satisfied by just that phrase. I also admit that the sterotype(that women are inferior to men) should be rectified and the masses educated.So what your advocating for is commendable.Just don't be like certain feminists or feminism supporters who see feminism as a means to exploit and take advantage of certain systems.Equality is good.But using feminism to push superiority down people's throats is just sad.Women should be allowed to have the privileges men have as long as it's appropriate (don't misinterpret the use of this word).I understand your points from your posts even tho I disagree with a few,some of which I have mentioned.
Bottom line for me is "if feminism succeeds and women gain equality,then men should be relieved of all perceived duties such as chilvary,first to propose or approach and women should and must make enough money before they marry and bride prices must be abolished etc..Do you see what it's doing to the system?!"
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 6:48pm On Aug 30, 2018|
danvon:Man are inferior pricks.
Hand me a knife please someone!
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by budaatum: 6:54pm On Aug 30, 2018|
EmperorHarry:"Chivalry"? Like you saving woman from the approaching raping barbarians? Or from the lion that wants to feed on woman?
As long as mans keep thinking they would "allow", this struggle continuatas until "the system" is completely eliminated and destroyed and replaced with one where man knows his place!
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by babyfaceafrica: 10:37pm On Aug 30, 2018|
|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 4:08pm On Aug 31, 2018|
Would you please state the rights that men enjoy and women do not......let's start from there
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 9:00pm On Aug 31, 2018|
michaelkaroh:In many universities in Nigeria women are not given the chance to vie for presidency in SUG elections
In many secondary schools a girl can not be the senior prefect,it must always be a boy and then a girl as the assistant,this is different from having a head boy and a head girl,I am referring to schools that have a boy as a prefect and a girl as the assistant, so its not even limited to the senior prefect alone
In many parts of this country the women do not inherit landed properties or even any properties from their Fathers, it always goes to the male children
deal with these ones and I would answer more
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nightmareo07: 10:37pm On Sep 01, 2018|
I have been saying this for long.. But Nigerians are just too dumb
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|Re: What Is Wrong With Feminism by Nobody: 3:38pm On Sep 03, 2018|
darkchild64:first, about the SUG stuff, that is simply not true as the SUG president of delta state polytechnic, oghara for 2016/2017 academic session was female and the one for the polytechnic at ogwashi-uku was also female some years back.
Secondly, you do realize that in sec. schools it is usually the most intelligent that becomes prefect, right?.....a lot of girls I know were senior prefects in their respective schools....I really don't know where you get your stats from, seriously.
Now about the land inheritance....You have to understand the reason for actions to know their true intent. Even in my culture, women don't inherit landed property for the sole purpose of preservation. As we know, a woman is like a traveler, and her final abode is her matrimonial home..and whatever she might have acquired from her father goes to her children. Now imagine if the majority of a particular tribe's women were married to men from other tribes, that would be disastrous if the women inherited ancestral lands as they would be ceded to the various tribes of their husbands through the children. But there is an exception, women who are married to men from the same tribe, preferably same clan as them ALWAYS inherits landed property.
Please I want to beg all feminists on this forum to always speak truth and understand facts no matter how unsupportive it is of their program.
If you've ever taken time to study our history, you'd know that oppression or subjugation of any gender was never part of our culture.
Feminism is in the business of always painting women as victims.
Man makes more money than woman=Sexism
Woman makes more money than man= boss lady
Man gets sexually abused= weak man
Woman gets sexually abused=rape culture of men
Man compliments woman's body/shape=sexual harassment
Woman compliments man's body= shooting shot/ flirting
Man and woman fights, man wins= domestic violence
Woman and man fights, woman wins= strong woman
Man can't pay child support/take care of his child/children =jail
Woman can't take care of her child/children=government support/food stamp
Man murders spouse= manslaughter
Woman murders spouse=self defense
Man builds industries, organisations, civilizations and rightfully reigns over them=patriarchy/toxic masculinity
Woman builds something, anything at all which is most times exclusive to the service of women= women empowerment, women freedom, etc....
A lot of guys right now are living in fear, myself included. Cus' it's funny how a girl/woman can accuse one of anything ranging from rape,domestic violence, harassment and one is instantly guilty....almost as if men cannot tell the truth.
I seriously pray for change.
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