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Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 12:36pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
Dude! This is what I have been saying from the beginning! A shadow is not made up of substance, that is, it is immaterial.
A shadow is nothing. Another object just blocks light from a surface and you call that blocked part a shadow. It really is just teh same surface in lesser light.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 12:38pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
It beats the imagination that the same person who can say this can be so worked up at my description of shadows.
What is a shadow, if not the bold?
Is it funny that you have so far refused to explain what you mean by lesser light. I ask again, what is lesser light?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 12:39pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
This is a description of the working of the VR headset, 1 component of VR not the entire thing. That VR environment is not located in the headset. If the VR system processor is sending out the VR signal but the helmet wasn't there, it would mean the VR environment is existing whether it is being projected to your eyes or not. Therefore, VR is not light!
I have explained as much as I can. I cant go further than this. The best I can give you is to say that what you see with VR, is light.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 12:41pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
Is it funny that you have so far refused to explain what you mean by lesser light. I ask again, what is lesser light?
But come on, that is obvious, haba. That's why I dont explain it. You stand between a source of light and a wall, your shadow appears on the wall. All you are seeing is the portion of the wall your body is blocking. You are just seeing that portion of the wall in lesser light since your body has blocked most of the light from falling on it. It is very tiresome that you make me have to write this.

All that is there is the wall.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 1:22pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
A shadow is nothing. Another object just blocks light from a surface and you call that blocked part a shadow. It really is just teh same surface in lesser light.
What is the difference between shadow is nothing and shadow is immaterial?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 1:23pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
I have explained as much as I can. I cant go further than this. The best I can give you is to say that what you see with VR, is light.
Of course you see light but that's not all VR is.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 1:25pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
But come on, that is obvious, haba. That's why I dont explain it. You stand between a source of light and a wall, your shadow appears on the wall. All you are seeing is the portion of the wall your body is blocking. You are just seeing that portion of the wall in lesser light since your body has blocked most of the light from falling on it. It is very tiresome that you make me have to write this.

All that is there is the wall.
It's not obvious to me. The occlusion of light is not lesser light, it's the absence of light. I have never heard anybody apart from you describe shadow as lesser light.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 1:37pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
It's not obvious to me. The occlusion of light is not lesser light, it's the absence of light. I have never heard anybody apart from you describe shadow as lesser light.
It can be absence of light or lesser light. Not all shadows are of the same "darkness" - you know this surely. There could be other light sources than the source which is blocked and thus casting the shadow, and some light can still filer onto the blocked surface anyway. God, I cant believe you are making me write these things. It feels like having to explain that "the earth goes round the sun."
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 1:38pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
What is the difference between shadow is nothing and shadow is immaterial?
Immaterial things actually exist. A shadow is not a thing of itself. You are at all times looking at a surface - which is the thing.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 1:39pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
Of course you see light but that's not all VR is.
I think you are conflating the machinery behind a VR projection with the actual VR you see. I am saying that the VR you see is light. Its like conflating a projected image cast from a projector with the projector itself. The projected image is light.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 2:32pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
I think you are conflating the machinery behind a VR projection with the actual VR you see. I am saying that the VR you see is light. Its like conflating a projected image cast from a projector with the projector itself. The projected image is light.
Nope, I am not. The VR construct is independent of the projection. The VR environment you are seeing is NOT MADE OF LIGHT.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 2:33pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
Immaterial things actually exist. A shadow is not a thing of itself. You are at all times looking at a surface - which is the thing.
When you say they actually exist, in what manner do they exist?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 2:36pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
It can be absence of light or lesser light. Not all shadows are of the same "darkness" - you know this surely. There could be other light sources than the source which is blocked and thus casting the shadow, and some light can still filer onto the blocked surface anyway. God, I cant believe you are making me write these things. It feels like having to explain that "the earth goes round the sun."
No one has disputed any of this. The reasons some shadows are darker than others is because of the scattering of light, no issuse. You on the other hand are saying the shadow does not exist. That is impossible since we are seeing it.

You are just dancing around what I have not disputed.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by Dtruthspeaker: 2:46pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Pls tell me when things were ever good in Nigeria.
Do you not see the threads of "who remembers these things?"

https://www.nairaland.com/2383555/remember-childhood-thing#34823537
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 3:10pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
Nope, I am not. The VR construct is independent of the projection. The VR environment you are seeing is NOT MADE OF LIGHT.
What is it made of?

Pixels, which emit light, is the best answer you can get even with research (I researched the question).

And the emitted light is incontrovertibly what you see.

Now what is a pixel?

A pixel, short for "picture element," is the smallest unit of a digital image or display. It's essentially a tiny square or dot that represents a single point of color. When combined with other pixels, they form the images we see on screens, such as computer monitors, smartphones, and televisions.

I culled that from Google Gemini.

"A single point of color."

And what is a single point of color if not an iteration of light?

You are just going round in circles.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 3:45pm On Nov 11, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see the threads of "who remembers these things?"

https://www.nairaland.com/2383555/remember-childhood-thing#34823537
Your childhood nostalgia is what you refer to ?
C'mon.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by Dtruthspeaker: 4:07pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Your childhood nostalgia is what you refer to ?
C'mon.
It would not be good old days if it was not my childhood. Of which it was still good till 2010 when all this shits you know began till the point thatI children like you can not get married and take care of your wife without her working. That is clearly a disaster for your generation
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:11pm On Nov 11, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
It would not be good old days if it was not my childhood. Of which it was still good till 2010.
Lol.
It was still good in 2010 ?
The last I can think back and say that things were much better was 1982, when 30 cups of garri was N1.
Then the devil sent Buhari on his first MISSIONLESS journey , and the rest is history.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:17pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
Immaterial things actually exist. A shadow is not a thing of itself. You are at all times looking at a surface - which is the thing.
Yes, immaterial things like radio waves, energy, basically, electromagnetic energy. But, as immaterial as they are , we have instruments to generate, convert, measure and transmit them.
Spirits, on the hand, have never been observed, measured, calibrated, etc.
You accept their existence by faith, and only faith.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by Dtruthspeaker: 4:18pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Lol.
It was still good in 2010 ?
The last I can think back and say that things were much better was 1982, when 30 cups of garri was N1.
Then the devil sent Buhari on his first MISSIONLESS journey , and the rest is history.
And many of us where Peak milk, and cornflakes babies. God punish Buhari and Tinubu times 16
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 4:40pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Yes, immaterial things like radio waves, energy, basically, electromagnetic energy. But, as immaterial as they are , we have instruments to generate, convert, measure and transmit them.
Spirits, on the hand, have never been observed, measured, calibrated, etc.
You accept their existence by faith, and only faith.
I accept the existence of my spirit based on subjective experience primarily, because I subjectively experience and live it. This is not an experience that can be shared with anyone, as no one else experiences my life but me. This has nothing to do with faith - it is as real as what I live and observe daily - but, being subjective, cannot be shared, anymore than I can prove to you what I am thinking or what I dreamt last night.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:43pm On Nov 11, 2024
Dtruthspeaker:
And many of us where Peak milk, and cornflakes babies. God punish Buhari and Tinubu times 16
grin
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by LordReed(m): 4:43pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
What is it made of?

Pixels, which emit light, is the best answer you can get even with research (I researched the question).

And the emitted light is incontrovertibly what you see.

Now what is a pixel?

A pixel, short for "picture element," is the smallest unit of a digital image or display. It's essentially a tiny square or dot that represents a single point of color. When combined with other pixels, they form the images we see on screens, such as computer monitors, smartphones, and televisions.

I culled that from Google Gemini.

"A single point of color."

And what is a single point of color if not an iteration of light?

You are just going round in circles.
You are the one going round in circles. I said it several times the light is being selectively blocked, and in the case of a an LCD it is blocked by individual pixels. The signals change the intensity of the blockage which is what causes the colour's to change. You aren't simply seeing light, you seeing it coming through a medium and that blockage is what creates images. If light passes through a coloured semi permeable object the shadow formed will take on the colour of the object. It is those coloured shadows you are seeing. And according to you a shadow is nothing so why is this hard for you?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 4:51pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
I accept the existence of my spirit based on subjective experience primarily, because I subjectively experience and live it. This is not an experience that can be shared with anyone, as no one else experiences my life but me. This has nothing to do with faith - it is as real as what I live and observe daily - but, being subjective, cannot be shared, anymore than I can prove to you what I am thinking or what I dreamt last night.
Subjective experiences are not trustworthy. Everyone has a different interpretation of the same experience.
Even chemical substances can shape or affect your subjective experience. Likewise, religious experience is a subjective experience, not different from substance induced experiences.
Therefore, the scientific method, scientific rationalism remains the pre-eminent arbiter of our reality.

Agree ?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 4:58pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Subjective experiences are not trustworthy. Everyone has a different interpretation of the same experience.
Even chemical substances can shape or affect your subjective experience. Likewise, religious experience is a subjective experience, not different from substance induced experiences.
Therefore, the scientific method, scientific rationalism remains the pre-eminent arbiter of our reality.

Agree ?
Science is limited to the physical, so I cant agree.
Subjective experiences can be valid, they just may be impossible or hard to share or communicate. Surely you would not say the fact that you cannot prove what you dreamt last night means that you didnt dream it. Or the fact that you cannot prove what you are thinking in your head at a given moment means you did not think it. Or the fact that you cannot prove you are in love with Ekaete means you are not in love with her. Those are subjective but perfectly real.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 5:00pm On Nov 11, 2024
LordReed:
You are the one going round in circles. I said it several times the light is being selectively blocked, and in the case of a an LCD it is blocked by individual pixels. The signals change the intensity of the blockage which is what causes the colour's to change. You aren't simply seeing light, you seeing it coming through a medium and that blockage is what creates images. If light passes through a coloured semi permeable object the shadow formed will take on the colour of the object. It is those coloured shadows you are seeing. And according to you a shadow is nothing so why is this hard for you?
I think we have exhausted this topic.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by Versitee: 5:35pm On Nov 11, 2024
Captain4Jehovah:
The Creator gives man the government of the earth (from the beginning) to rule it BUT WITHOUT SCREENING Him from his affairs. But man fails to acknowledge that POWER who sustains the universe. From here man's problem begins. When we tell it to God our problem IN RIGHTEOUSNESS and SUBMISSIVENESS OF OUR WILL, He is EVER READY to make things better.
What I inferred from the OP concern is about the state of things in this country not about whether God exists or not. As religious we are, things ought to get better since we believe there is a SUPERNAL POWER that answers prayers but rather it becomes worse. This and many more concerns about the statehood of things could induce someone to forget about the presence of a HIGHER POWER called GOD. In short, prayers are answered. Our government leaders should be CONSCIOUS and in AWE of God.
You are a big fool. You don't have something to say, you just want to say something.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by Captain4Jehovah(m): 6:22pm On Nov 11, 2024
Versitee:
You are a big fool. You don't have something to say, you just want to say something.
I wouldn't argue your conclusion about my person because I can in no way be wiser than the Lord who bought me with his precious blood_he is infinite, and I am finite JUST AS YOU ARE! Anyway, the fact stands that THERE IS POWER IN SPOKEN WORDS BE IT NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE REGARDLESS OF MAN'S POSITION, FAITH DESCRIPTION AND TRIBES. Our fathers taught us to be cautious of what we say. They taught us precautionary measures regarding the impact of words spoken. You know they came before us! And as such, we shouldn't be unschooled children! This is enough to tell us that prayers get answered. Our leaders are the ones frustrating and making it as though prayers are not answered.
Again, God gives us wisdom to think about how to make our,man's government works. Then, what's more do we, greedy and unrepentant fellows from below want from the Eternal God?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 6:53pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
Science is limited to the physical, so I cant agree.
Subjective experiences can be valid, they just may be impossible or hard to share or communicate. Surely you would not say the fact that you cannot prove what you dreamt last night means that you didnt dream it. Or the fact that you cannot prove what you are thinking in your head at a given moment means you did not think it. Or the fact that you cannot prove you are in love with Ekaete means you are not in love with her. Those are subjective but perfectly real.
Dreams have been proven to occur, because neural signatures for dreaming, thinking and feelings of love are unique and scientifically identifiable.
Like I said before, even the Religious experience, an experience often falsely relegated to the realm of the spiritual, is now not only mapable in the brain, but itself subject to manipulation by chemical substances.
At the end of the day, measurable biochemical activity is responsible for subjective experiences we falsely deemed 'spiritual'.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by DeepSight(m): 6:54pm On Nov 11, 2024
plaetton:
Dreams have been proven to occur, because neural signatures for dreaming, thinking and feelings of love are unique and scientifically identifiable.
Like I said before, even the Religious experience, an experience often falsely relegated to the realm of the spiritual, is now not mapable in the brain, but itself subject to manipulation by chemical substances.
At the end of the day, measurable biochemical activity is responsible for subjective experiences we falsely deemed 'spiritual'.
Are you saying that before science proved dreams occur, dreams were not real experiences?
What about thoughts and your love for Ekaete?

Does science need to validate them for them to be real?
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by plaetton(op): 8:06pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
Are you saying that before science proved dreams occur, dreams were not real experiences?
What about thoughts and your love for Ekaete?

Does science need to validate them for them to be real?
No.
Science only showed that biochemical activity produces these experiences.
Re: God Does Not Exist: Nigeria Is The Best Proof by triplechoice(m): 8:35pm On Nov 11, 2024
DeepSight:
You know I will - I have honour like that. But remember I also said "or something close to that."

But you said it, and I will find it.



No, one can sing a song in one's head without any sound waves.
It wasn't Lordreed but the person behind the moniker, killyaself, that declared "the something close to it".
I remember him saying something like, writing ones thoughts on paper is proof that it's material and tangible.

The same person is also behind,the knownunkown, moniker .
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