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An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:13am On Feb 07
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone(he can't let everyone's path lead them to where they'll be saved))

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)


So Either Good doesn't exist. Or the definition of God is wrong.





An Inclusion

Bible Verse showing God wants all to be saved
1 Timothy 2 : 4
KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3 : 9
KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.





Bible Verses saying God Chose who will be saved.

John 6 :44

KJV:No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

NIV:“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.


John 6 :65

KJV:And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

NIV:He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”


2Thesselonians 2:13

KJV:But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

NIV:But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.






Part II

Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my bleeping course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a bleeping mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out.

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by MANNABBQGRILLS: 4:17am On Feb 07
JESUS IS LORD FOREVER AND EVER.

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by chiommy123(f): 6:29am On Feb 07
Hope your case is not that of a reprobate mind
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:06am On Feb 08
Then ASUU decides to fall my hand shaa ... Lolzz.. well .. it's good they finally decided to call of the strike though
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 7:00am On Feb 08
Golden6:
Then ASUU decides to fall my hand shaa ... Lolzz.. well .. it's good they finally decided to call of the strike though

You're on the right path. There's no God anywhere, and there's no purpose. But since we have found ourselves here on earth where other life forms exist aside ours, other people exist and we are socially engineered to live together, please employ empathy. Empathy will guide your moral standards, it is very important. Do unto others, what you would like done to you. Good luck

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by HEFAIROHLUWA(m): 7:50am On Feb 08
Golden6:
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone(he can't let everyone's path lead them to where they'll be saved))

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)


So Either Good doesn't exist. Or the definition of God is wrong.









Part II

Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my bleeping course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a bleeping mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out.
The mind is a very powerful tool..Wondering why majority still hold onto religion...whether you are right or wrong its still causing so much confusion within giving you second thoughts right? I see the pain and confusion but I think you should know this...never ever make the mistake of putting yourself in so much emotional turblence because of your indecision...trust me it aint worth it..I've been there! smiley

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Crysthaniel(m): 7:56am On Feb 08
Akin1212:


You're on the right path. There's no God anywhere, and there's no purpose. But since we have found ourselves here on earth where other life forms exist aside ours, other people exist and we are socially engineered to live together, please employ empathy. Empathy will guide your moral standards, it is very important. Do unto others, what you would like done to you. Good luck
It's actually Gods word that gives this command
Mark12:30-31
The plain Truth is this:
If I truly love my neighbor it means that I love God
And if i truly love God, it will be very easy for me to love my neighbor.. 1john 4:7-21

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 8:11am On Feb 08
Crysthaniel:

It's actually Gods word that gives this command
Mark12:30-31
The plain Truth is this:
If I truly love my neighbor it means that I love God
And if i truly love God, it will be very easy for me to love my neighbor.. 1john 4:7-21

So before the book of John was written less than 2000 years ago, there was no empathy? You are truly deceived. Empathy is not a command, it's common sense and it has been practised well before the Bible was written.

Your neighbor at least we can prove, but who is God? Wake up abeg.

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Crysthaniel(m): 8:30am On Feb 08
Akin1212:


So before the book of John was written less than 2000 years ago, there was no empathy? You are truly deceived. Empathy is not a command, it's common sense and it has been practised well before the Bible was written.

Your neighbor at least we can prove, but who is God? Wake up abeg.
Yeah the faculty of Love emphaty kindness proofs that the Bible account that God created us in his image is true Genesis 1:27
1john4:8
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 9:07am On Feb 08
Crysthaniel:

Yeah the faculty of Love emphaty kindness proofs that the Bible account that God created us in his image is true Genesis 1:27
1john4:8

The universe is 13 billion years old, the planet earth is 4.53 billion years old, the human race is 8 million years old, empathy has been around for about 8 million years old hypothetically. The bible is less than 2000 years old, how can the command of what has been existing come from the bible?

It's more like you're saying, a child gave birth to its parents. Does that make any sense to you?

Empathy does not prove that we were created by anybody. It's just social engineering.

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Crysthaniel(m): 12:01pm On Feb 08
Akin1212:


The universe is 13 billion years old, the planet earth is 4.53 billion years old, the human race is 8 million years old, empathy has been around for about 8 million years old hypothetically. The bible is less than 2000 years old, how can the command of what has been existing come from the bible?

It's more like you're saying, a child gave birth to its parents. Does that make any sense to you?

Empathy does not prove that we were created by anybody. It's just social engineering.
The Bible actually covers the universe from it's origin to the very future.. please read Isaiah 40:26 Genesis chapter 1v 1
Amos 9:13 gives us something God will do in the future
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 2:09pm On Feb 08
Crysthaniel:

The Bible actually covers the universe from it's origin to the very future.. please read Isaiah 40:26 Genesis chapter 1v 1
Amos 9:13 gives us something God will do in the future

The bible covers nothing but your fantasies. It didn't even tell us how to cure ordinary malaria cheesy grin grin

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by theoriginalgood: 4:55pm On Feb 08
Who invented natural resources in such an organized manner? Why do all humans die someday? You have to consider all that could possibly exist to realize that if there was no God, that means there’s no good in existence.

https://www.nairaland.com/4998253/death-proof-higher-power-god
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Crysthaniel(m): 5:45pm On Feb 08
Akin1212:


The bible covers nothing but your fantasies. It didn't even tell us how to cure ordinary malaria cheesy grin grin
Please read Ezekiel 42:12 Revelation 22:2
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by oaroloye(m): 7:01pm On Feb 08
MISHIGAS!

Why make up silly theories about God, and then reject God, when He does not measure up to them?

Golden6:
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts

GOD CANNOT DO "ANYTHING."

God cannot lie, nor contradict Himself.

. MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said,

"THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT
CAST OUT DEVILS,
BUT BY BEELZEBUB
THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS."


25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and said unto them,

"Every kingdom divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?"
27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils,
by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into
a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
and then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me is against me;
and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'


32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'


37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."


GOD CANNOT FIGHT AGAINST HIS OWN OPERATIONS.

GOD DOES NOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

. GENESIS 18:20.

20. And The LORD Said,

"Because the Cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great,
and because their Sin is very grievous;
21. "I will go down now, and see whether they have done
altogether according to the Cry of it,
which is come unto Me; and if not, I will know."

GOD OPERATES ABOVE THE EARTH UNIVERSE LEVEL, ON SEVEN LEVELS OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.

Therefore, He cannot observe Foolishness and Stupidity on Earth, unless He is prepared to immediately judge whatever He looks at.

He cannot be party to Evil.

Therefore, He does not want to know everything.

GOD DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE EQUALLY.

What sort of stupid idea would that be?

. GENESIS 17:1-14.

AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared unto Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a father of many nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called 'Abram,'
but thy name shall be 'Abraham;'
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful,
and I will make nations of thee,
and kings shall come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God.”

9. And God said unto Abraham,

" Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
which ye shall keep,
between Me and you and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'


11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be a Token of The Covenant
betwixt Me and you.
12. "And he that is eight days old
shall be circumcised among you
every man child in your generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born in thy house,
and he that is bought with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised man child
whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

. DEUTERONOMY 28:1-20.

AND it shall come to pass,
if thou shalt hearken diligently
unto The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to observe and to do
all His Commandments
Which I Command thee this day,
that the LORD thy God
will set thee on high
above all nations of the Earth.
2. And all these Blessings
shall come on thee,
and overtake thee,
if thou shalt hearken unto
The Voice of The LORD thy God.
3. Blessed shalt thou be in the city,
and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body,
and the fruit of thy ground,
and the fruit of thy cattle,
the increase of thy kine,
and the flocks of thy sheep.
5. Blessed shall be thy basket
and thy store.
6. Blessed shalt thou be
when thou comest in,
and blessed shalt thou be
when thou goest out.
7. The LORD shall cause thine Enemies
that rise up against thee
to be smitten before thy face:
they shall come out
against thee one way,
and flee before thee seven ways.
8. The LORD shall
Command the Blessing
upon thee in thy storehouses,
and in all that thou settest
thine hand unto;
and He shall Bless the
in the land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
9. The LORD shall establish thee
an Holy people unto Himself,
as he hath sworn unto thee,
if thou shalt keep
The Commandments of
The LORD thy God,
and walk in His Ways.
10. And all people of the Earth
shall see that thou art
called by The Name of the LORD;
and they shall be afraid of thee.
11. And The LORD shall make thee
plenteous in goods,
in the fruit of thy body,
and in the fruit of thy cattle,
and in the fruit of thy ground,
in the land which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers to give thee.
12. The LORD shall open unto thee
His Good Treasure,
the Heaven to give the rain
unto thy land in his season,
and to Bless all the Work of thine hand:
and thou shalt lend unto many nations,
and thou shalt not borrow.
13. And The LORD shall
make thee the head,
and not the tail;
and thou shalt be above only,
and thou shalt not be beneath;
if that thou hearken unto
The Commandments of The LORD thy God,
Which I Command thee this day,
to observe and to do them:
14. And thou shalt not go aside
from any of the Words
Which I Command thee this Day,
to the right hand,
or to the left,
to go after other gods
to serve them.

15. But it shall come to pass,
if thou wilt not hearken unto
The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to observe to do
all His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which I Command thee this Day;
That all these Curses
shall come upon thee,
and overtake thee:

16. Cursed shalt thou be in the city,
and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17. Cursed shall be thy basket
and thy store.
18. Cursed shall be
the fruit of thy body,
and the fruit of thy land,
the increase of thy kine,
and the flocks of thy sheep.
19. Cursed shalt thou be
when thou comest in,
and cursed shalt thou be
when thou goest out.

20. The LORD shall send upon thee
cursing, vexation, and rebuke,
in all that thou settest thine hand unto
for to do,
until thou be destroyed,
and until thou perish quickly;
because of the wickedness of thy doings,
whereby thou hast forsaken Me.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT GOD'S INTERESTS, AND PEOPLE WORKING IN OPPOSITION TO GOD'S INTERESTS, AGAINST HIS WILL- AND YOU THINK THAT GOD LOVES THEM EQUALLY?

Something must be wrong with that your brain!

Does your gumption not function?

Golden6:
I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day
went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes were
gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship, and sat;
and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a Sower went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why Speakest thou unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and Said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you to know
The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I to them in Parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'


16. "But Blessed are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'


18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT
WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.


20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.


22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED
AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.


23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY,
SOME THIRTY.' "


God cannot know who will receive The Gospel and who won't because He cannot know what stupid people will do, unless He interferes in their lives.

He knows what people should do- but they usually won't.

Golden6:
I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

Golden6 post=75489803:
-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink

This is an example of the "stupidity" I was talking about.

How could you be SAVED, when you didn't BELIEVE THE GOSPEL?

You are an ON-THE-ROCK.

You do not UNDERSTAND anything.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT (IS) WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL
(IS) UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding have all they
that do (His Commandments):
His Praise endureth for ever.

. MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And Saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

HOW CAN YOU BE SAVED, WHEN YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR GOD, NOR REMORSE FOR YOUR SINFULNESS?

Golden6:
You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.

THIS AMOUNT OF SILLINESS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Are you DRUNK?

. MATTHEW 12:35.

35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.

GOD GAVE YOU A SIMPLE INSTRUCTION: REPENT, AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL- BEING SUCH A WICKED SOUL, YOU DECIDED NOT TO OBEY GOD.

Nobody else made that decision for you: YOU, AND ONLY YOU, DECIDED THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE SAVED.

Then you COMPOUNDED your DAMNATION with BLASPHEMY, Ssaying that GOD CHOSE for you to REJECT His Mercy!

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any soul sin through ignorance,
then he shall bring a she goat of the first year
for a sin offering.
28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement
for the soul that sinneth ignorantly,
when he sinneth by ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29. "Ye shall have One Law for him
that sinneth through ignorance,
both for him that is born among The Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them.
30. "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously,
whether he be born in the Land, or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth the LORD;
and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31. "Because he hath Despised The Word of The LORD,
and hath Broken His Commandment,
that soul shall utterly be cut off;
his iniquity shall be upon him."

THE PROMISES OF SALVATION ONLY APPLY TO THOSE WHO SIN UNKNOWINGLY!

There are NO PROMISES obliging God to FORGIVE anyone who SINS KNOWINGLY.

Golden6:
Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

IT DOES NOT GET ANY MORE STUPID THAT THAT!

WHO TOLD YOU that God LOVES EVERYONE?

What EVIDENCE did they SHOW YOU, that PROVED to you that "GOD LOVES EVERYONE?"

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that thou
wilt manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear is not mine,
but The Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

TO LOVE SOMEONE IS TO GO OUT-OF-YOUR-WAY TO MAKE THEM HAPPY.

To LOVE someone means TO DO WHATEVER THEY SAY, AND GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY NEED.

Where have you seen GOD do that for SINNERS?
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 7:59pm On Feb 08
Crysthaniel:

Please read Ezekiel 42:12 Revelation 22:2

Please go and learn what reality is.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by oaroloye(m): 8:05pm On Feb 08
Golden6:
The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.

. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise
in Judgment with this Generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas;
and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The queen of the South shall rise up
in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the Earth
to hear the Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

ANYONE WHO IS WORTHY WILL COME FROM THE ANTIPODES TO FIND THE GOSPEL, AND BE SAVED.

Those who are UNWORTHY do not implement The Gospel.

That is all there is to it.

Golden6:
Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

You have already proven you ineptitude at "THINKING."

To claim that you have been doing so is... embarassing.

MOST SINNERS DO NOT GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE.

Their Souls are destroyed immediately- because they were unable to give the FULL, TOTAL RECALL account of their lives.

Golden6:
I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)

. EXODUS 20:14.

14. "Thou shalt not
commit Adultery."

PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMIT ADULTERY, NOR SUPPORT ADULTERY.

PORN ADULTERESSES AND WHOREMONGERS DYING MEANS NOTHING.

Their films and videos don't die.

As soon as any die, even more take their place.

Now, any idiot with a Phone Camera can become a Movie Director.

Golden6:
Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.

YOUR FOOLISHNESS AND IGNORANCE ARE OFFENSIVE!

There are Mothers in the World who have to make this choice every day!

AMERICAN SOLDIERS who fought in the GULF WAR went home and committed SUICIDE, because they could not process things they saw in the War. For example, their standard tactic of protecting their camps with MINEFIELDS did not work, because the ISLAMIC DEFENDERS OF THEIR HOMELANDS would SEND THEIR CHILDREN to trigger the mines, so that the GROWNUPS could safely charge in and kill the "Great Satan's Soldiers!"

Americans had never seen such resolve in their lives, and their minds often broke down.

It is reported that more American Soldiers died from SUICIDE AT HOME that on the WAR FRONTS!

I ADVISE YOU TO TRY TO THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO USE THEIR MINDS MORE THAN YOU DO, AND CAN THINK THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT!

Golden6:
Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone(he can't let everyone's path lead them to where they'll be saved))

HE COMMANDS PEOPLE TO TAKE THE ONE PATH THAT LEADS TO SAFETY AND LIFE.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this Day against you,
that I have set before you Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore choose Life,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy life, and the length of thy days:

that thou mayest dwell in the Land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob,
to give them.

IF PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE IT- AND CHOOSE DEATH, INSTEAD OF LIFE- THEN GOD RESPECTS THEIR WISHES, AND LETS THEM BE DESTROYED.

Golden6:
Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHOM GOD IS INTERESTED IN, ARE THOSE WHO LOVE GOODNESS AND HATE EVIL, THOSE WHO FEAR HIM, AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF DISAPPOINTING HIM.

Why should He care about people who BETRAY Him, and ATTACK His people, and do NOTHING to HELP them?

[quote author=Golden6 post=75489803]Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)


So Either Good doesn't exist. Or the definition of God is wrong.

WHY DIDN'T YOU GET YOUR DEFINITION OF GOD FROM THE WORDS OF GOD?

Golden6:
Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out.



PSYCHOLOGY IS A PSEUDOSCIENCE, THAT TEACHES THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD, NOR THE SOUL, NOR SPIRITUAL POWERS.

DIANETICS AND SCIENTOLOGY were created in reaction to It.

Therefore, you will be even more messed-up.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by CodeSapien: 12:59am On Feb 09
Golden6:
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone(he can't let everyone's path lead them to where they'll be saved))

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)


So Either Good doesn't exist. Or the definition of God is wrong.









Part II

Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my bleeping course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a bleeping mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out.



Your account is void of the fact that there is a adversary, Satan, who can discourage individuals. It also avoids the power of man to accept their conviction or reject them. "God lays before us life and death and expects us to choose life." I have a willpower to do good and i am open to manipulation. Just like any natural man faced with a opportunity to do self gratifying evil or skip it, we have willpower. Stop assuming Gods goodness negates or overrides man's freewill.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:39am On Feb 09
Akin1212:


You're on the right path. There's no God anywhere, and there's no purpose. But since we have found ourselves here on earth where other life forms exist aside ours, other people exist and we are socially engineered to live together, please employ empathy. Empathy will guide your moral standards, it is very important. Do unto others, what you would like done to you. Good luck



Thank you

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by LordReed(m): 12:57pm On Feb 09
CodeSapien:


Your account is void of the fact that there is a adversary, Satan, who can discourage individuals. It also avoids the power of man to accept their conviction or reject them. "God lays before us life and death and expects us to choose life." I have a willpower to do good and i am open to manipulation. Just like any natural man faced with a opportunity to do self gratifying evil or skip it, we have willpower. Stop assuming Gods goodness negates or overrides man's freewill.

It doesn't strike you as curious that both the protagonist and the antagonist in this your tale are both unseen, untouchable and practically incommunicado except for those things you choose to interpret as their actions/deeds/words?

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 3:45pm On Feb 09
oaroloye:


. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise
in Judgment with this Generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas;
and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The queen of the South shall rise up
in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the Earth
to hear the Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

ANYONE WHO IS WORTHY WILL COME FROM THE ANTIPODES TO FIND THE GOSPEL, AND BE SAVED.

Those who are UNWORTHY do not implement The Gospel.

That is all there is to it.



You have already proven you ineptitude at "THINKING."

To claim that you have been doing so is... embarassing.

MOST SINNERS DO NOT GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE.

Their Souls are destroyed immediately- because they were unable to give the FULL, TOTAL RECALL account of their lives.



. EXODUS 20:14.

14. "Thou shalt not
commit Adultery."

PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMIT ADULTERY, NOR SUPPORT ADULTERY.

PORN ADULTERESSES AND WHOREMONGERS DYING MEANS NOTHING.

Their films and videos don't die.

As soon as any die, even more take their place.

Now, any idiot with a Phone Camera can become a Movie Director.



YOUR FOOLISHNESS AND IGNORANCE ARE OFFENSIVE!

There are Mothers in the World who have to make this choice every day!

AMERICAN SOLDIERS who fought in the GULF WAR went home and committed SUICIDE, because they could not process things they saw in the War. For example, their standard tactic of protecting their camps with MINEFIELDS did not work, because the ISLAMIC DEFENDERS OF THEIR HOMELANDS would SEND THEIR CHILDREN to trigger the mines, so that the GROWNUPS could safely charge in and kill the "Great Satan's Soldiers!"

Americans had never seen such resolve in their lives, and their minds often broke down.

It is reported that more American Soldiers died from SUICIDE AT HOME that on the WAR FRONTS!

I ADVISE YOU TO TRY TO THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO USE THEIR MINDS MORE THAN YOU DO, AND CAN THINK THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT!



HE COMMANDS PEOPLE TO TAKE THE ONE PATH THAT LEADS TO SAFETY AND LIFE.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this Day against you,
that I have set before you Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore choose Life,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy life, and the length of thy days:

that thou mayest dwell in the Land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob,
to give them.

IF PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE IT- AND CHOOSE DEATH, INSTEAD OF LIFE- THEN GOD RESPECTS THEIR WISHES, AND LETS THEM BE DESTROYED.












Well, to start with , I have never read the Bible past Genesis.

Why, because when I hadn't realised I was atheist , I was not serious with Christianity , and I always slept off , until I gradually forgot to continue reading the Bible.

And when I decided to get serious , I became atheist , so the Bible is no more or less than people's opinions , which I do not believe in. So I am not prepared to spend my valuable Time reading them. It would be biased if I decide to read the Bible , and ignore the Qur'an , and all the other holy books that exist.



Now those "silly theories" was the idea of what God is supposed to be.. the idea That had been infused into me from 16+ years of going to church..

I didn't wake up and invent those "silly ideas".. I was taught the "silly ideas" in church




God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

Well.. God's definition is that he is "Good" , so that explains why he will not do what is "bad" , like lie ..

God cannot contradict himself..okay


I would had thought the Bible verse was to buttress your statement that God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

But it seems you are using it probably to make a point that

I am blaspheming against the holy ghost , which will not be forgiven , and I will give account of it on judgement day.. which from my knowledge means I should go to "hell".



Your first bolded part , the pharisees said Jesus casted out demons , by the aid of the devil


I didn't get the point you where trying to make .. only That probably the pharisees "lied" againt Jesus .. I already knew , from church , that most pharisees and saducees.. disliked Jesus.. so unless I didn't get your point , that part was just a reminder of something I've been told..



God does not know everything..

Wow .. really.. do other Christians believe this as well..

Because i was made to believe God knows everything..

He knows everything that had happened , is happening , and will happen on Earth..

Are you saying that is false ??

I was also of the belief that God is always watching , hence why no sin could be hidden from God.. i believe I have heard numerous times "God is everywhere"..


The Bible verse you quoted indicated God wasn't watching Sodom and Gomorrah , but had to decide to go down there and see what they had done...


If that's the case , that means I can sin , and God wouldn't know.. I mean.. he wasn't there.. unless he decided to come and see what I would be doing..


If he does not know everything , how much exactly does he know.. ??



God does not love everyone Equally... You even claim it is a stupid idea..

Wow ... Wow.. really ..
Wow .. well then.. I did not know that..
Do Christians believe this as well ??

... Well thank you brother _____ for assumming my brain has techincal difficulties.., and my gumption is offline.


Now to what you have said..

Well , I want to believe that the
When the pharisees where pissed that Jesus was surrounded by "sinners" Jesus said that does a doctor come to treat the sick and not those who are well ..

I want to believe that this statement means God cares for , and is trying to save sinners ,

But from your statement , I guess you mean God loves a pastor , more than he loves that armed robber in jail..



.. Well , I don't get why you bolded circumcision again... I believe most male children in Nigeria are circumcised..
And it's not our choice to... So I don't get your points..



Also please be clear..


God loves Everyone , but some more than others..
Or God loves some and hates others..



The Lord shall send CURSING , VEXATION , REBUKE , in all sinners do ( those who don't obey the voice of God)
We shall be destroyed and shall perish because of our wickedness ..


I'm curious , does that indicate love or hate.


I mean imagine a parent telling his child that that would be the punishment for not obeying him..


I must say, please , long Bible verses are not really for me.. please , if you will reply this , please try and summarize the verses you're quoting and the point you intend to derive from them, ..



God does not know what people will do , ..really ... If God does not know our decisions in the present , how can he know the future , given that the future is simply the result of our present decisions..

Unless he doesn't know the future either...



Really... So what exactly does God know??



Okay , thank you again for indicating I was displaying stupidity..
I believe I did not insult any Christian for their belief in God..
All through the post I even ensured I have God capital G's..
Your choice of words only indicates your anger at me.. for expressing my opinion.. I mean.. is it Godly to speak while you're angry




Please what exactly is your purpose for writing this??.. to tell me am wrong , or to explain God to me..because so far I haven't gotten what point you're trying to make..



Are you drunk ?
The answer is No.
I Think.
Lol.. That sounds like , " I think I am not drunk" That's not what I mean

I mean

I am not drunk . I Think


Do you know me ??
That you assume I am a wicked soul ??..

Do I steal ,
Do I kill ,
No.

Did you know that ?? .. no .. but you assume I am a wicked soul,

Thank you.


Ahhh,

You actually say that God does not love everyone ... Wonderful..

Do all Christians believe that ??..


We'll see , how much believer's , Know God enough , to know HE DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE ...


Wow.. thanks .. I actually did not know that..


Well if God does not love everyone , why will you wake up .. walk up to a stranger to evangelise , and say God loves you??

.. I'm pretty sure , if and idea dropped in your head " Go and preach to the leader of the book Haram ( Mr Y)"

.. you will simply assume it's from the devil.. that God does not love (Mr Y) , and going to d
Sambisa will be suicide , hence it's the devil that is trying to kill you..

To love someone is to give them whatever they need.
God Loves job..

Job loved his children..


I can understand allowing him to be broke and loose his property


But God knew the devil was after Job's children.. and God didn't protect them..


Instead , after job lost them ,

God gave him more children..


I don't think.. there is anyone here , who will say , it's alright for God to let my kids die.. so far as he gives me more ..


Or was job a sinner ??

( I'm pretty sure you where offended at that "question"...
Yet for some reason you think asking "does my gumption not function? " Is okay)



More Bible verses ... I must be honest.. I didn't read your verses word for word.. I just glanced through and read the bold parts..


If you will reply this.. please just make the point you got from the verse.. odds are even if I read the verse , I might not get your point..


Wow ,

Really .. our souls get destroyed.. i.e do not go to hell

Wow.. another thing I did not know ...

Wow..

Really..
I thought the devil's mission is to drag as many as possible to the pits of hell with him..

Or that's not it, hell was made for the devil alone.. unbeleivers will simply perish , not burn forever.... do all "Believer's" share this your opinion?? ..


Wait.. you said *Most*

.. does that mean SOME go to hell..

Or you mean some go to heaven ?? ( For those who sinned unknowingly ??) ..




Well, I was giving an instance..
And I said WHOSE FUTURE..

She is not yet one.. ..i.e her videos will not exist..


And if that illustration is faulty..


Let me give another then


If God killed abubakar shekau before he started Boko Haram ( I know that statement is entirely wrong , but just assume it ) .. then thousands of
People killed, Muslims and unbelievers alike , had lived longer , and would have had the opportunity to be "saved"


Do you get now ??

And your choice of words is offensive ...




Lolzz.. whoever you are.. I have sure manage to annoy you ..


From what I know... I believe those islamists soldiers in someway believe they are obeying their God..

( I know most Muslims are peaceful..and those terrorists somehow found a way to twist the Qur'an to believe their God wants them to kill ) ..


Now , they believe their obeying God .. they believe their children will die obeying God , and hence get whatever afterlife the Muslim believes to exists for "Allah's children"..

It's so easy to hate terrorists now our days isn't it...


If you read the post , and read the book , drunk with blood ..

Or if you have even read your Bible at all..


You will have read , the people , and cities,God "Gave" to the isrealites in the Bible...


"Kill All Women , Children, And Animals" ..Not once , not twice was this commanded by God , to the isrealites , in the Bible

I'll get the book again, and list the number of cities God Eroded totally..

From your belief.. because they where sinners and so he didn't love them



Well, let me tell you.. that is exactly, what most terrorists believe.. that their God, ordered them, to kill those who are not Muslims , because they are Sinners..



.. but for some reason , it's okay to hate Boko Haram , but believe the isrealites are God's people..


Ohh,I didn't get the definition because the Bible is too long .. like I said , and I wouldn't spend my time reading it..

.. after all , even those who have read it , still have different ideas of who Their God is..



Well , I just said I got a Christian psychologist , who referred me to her church..


So she's evil for studying psychology ... I mean, how can she be a person who believes there is no God , nor soul ,nor spiritual powers , yet still be a born again..




May you , be even more messed up than I will be.



I mean.. I thought I specifically wrote to not insult ..

Well , obviously , you didn't intend preaching .. you actually took time to analyze this though..


And now I am through.. but my only conclusion is that


You're a believer , who believes
God Does not know Everything
God cannot do Everything
God Does not love everyone .


Please... Do other Believer's also agree with him ?? ... Or her .

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:06pm On Feb 09
CodeSapien:


Your account is void of the fact that there is a adversary, Satan, who can discourage individuals. It also avoids the power of man to accept their conviction or reject them. "God lays before us life and death and expects us to choose life." I have a willpower to do good and i am open to manipulation. Just like any natural man faced with a opportunity to do self gratifying evil or skip it, we have willpower. Stop assuming Gods goodness negates or overrides man's freewill.







Thank you , firstly for not being insultive,

And also for rightly stating that I didn't consider the devil at all..




.. let me say I believe less in the existence of the devil than of the existence God..




I think that.. God made All humans , God's purpose would had been for all of his creation to Enjoy the eternal life he came to die for, .. so I believe Any human who doesn't gain eternal life , is a loss to God .




And the devil , on the other hand , is doomed to hell, his only purpose is to drag as many as possible there with him.. Any soul he drags to hell with him , is a gain to him..




... Given the evil in the world , it is obvious quite a number will go + have gone to hell , if they are judged..


Meaning , the devil , has had some success , .. and God , had some losses..


It doesn't sound like God to lose anything to the Devil...

Thus i believe less in the devil's existence

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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 8:08pm On Feb 10
CodeSapien:


Your account is void of the fact that there is a adversary, Satan, who can discourage individuals. It also avoids the power of man to accept their conviction or reject them. "God lays before us life and death and expects us to choose life." I have a willpower to do good and i am open to manipulation. Just like any natural man faced with a opportunity to do self gratifying evil or skip it, we have willpower. Stop assuming Gods goodness negates or overrides man's freewill.

This is what you people tell yourselves to make yourselves happy and convinced that there is God. Whatever happens to God not even subjecting us to a situation where we will have to choose between life and death? What happens to God just giving us life and destroying death. What happens to God destroying Satan forever.

It's your wahala though, you people like blaming man for everything and leaving out the person you claimed started it all. Think for a moment on what you believe and reach a rational conclusion.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by oaroloye(m): 10:04am On Feb 12
Golden6:


Well, to start with , I have never read the Bible past Genesis.

I LOST INTEREST IN YOU AS FROM THIS POINT.

Golden6:
Why, because when I hadn't realised I was atheist , I was not serious with Christianity , and I always slept off , until I gradually forgot to continue reading the Bible.

And when I decided to get serious , I became atheist , so the Bible is no more or less than people's opinions , which I do not believe in. So I am not prepared to spend my valuable Time reading them. It would be biased if I decide to read the Bible , and ignore the Qur'an , and all the other holy books that exist.

IF ALL YOU KNEW ABOUT GOD WAS THE BOOK OF GENESIS, YOU WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO READ FURTHER, SINCE GOD DECLARED THAT HE WOULD BLESS THE WORLD THROUGH ABRAHAM'S SEED.

. GENESIS 12:1-3.

NOW The LORD had Said unto Abram,

"Get thee out of thy country,
and from thy kindred,
and from thy father's house,
unto a land that I will shew thee:
2. "And I will make of thee a great nation,
and I will Bless thee,
and make thy name great;
and thou shalt be a Blessing:
3. "And I will Bless them that bless thee,
and Curse him that curseth thee:
and in thee shall all families
of the Earth be Blessed."

TO WRITE ABRAM OFF AS A MERE ALTERNATIVE OR OTHERWISE UNIMPORTANT IS CURSING ABRAM, AND THEREFORE INCURRING THE CURSE OF GOD.

BLINDNESS and CONFUSION are parts of that Cursing.

. GENESIS 17:1-22.

AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared unto Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a father of many nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called 'Abram,'
but thy name shall be 'Abraham;'
for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful,
and I will make nations of thee,
and kings shall come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish My Covenant between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God.”

9. And God said unto Abraham,

" Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
which ye shall keep,
between Me and you and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'


11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be a Token of The Covenant
betwixt Me and you.
12. "And he that is eight days old
shall be circumcised among you
every man child in your generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born in thy house,
and he that is bought with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised man child
whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

15. And God said unto Abraham,

"As for Sarai thy wife,
thou shalt not call her name 'Sarai,'
but 'Sarah' shall her name be.
16. "And I will Bless her,
and give thee a son also of her:
yea, I will bless her,
and she shall be a mother of nations;
kings of people shall be of her."

17. Then Abraham fell upon his face,
and laughed,
and said in his heart,

"Shall a child be born unto him
that is an hundred years old?
and shall Sarah,
that is ninety years old,
bear?"

18. And Abraham said unto God,

"O that Ishmael might live before Thee!"

19. And God Said,

"Sarah thy wife
shall bear thee a son indeed;
and thou shalt call his name 'Isaac:'
and I will establish My Covenant with him
for an Everlasting Covenant,
and with his seed after him.
20. "And as for Ishmael,
I have heard thee:
Behold, I have Blessed him,
and will make him fruitful,
and will multiply him exceedingly;
twelve princes shall he beget,
and I will make him a great nation.
21. "But My Covenant
will I establish with Isaac,
which Sarah shall bear unto thee
at this set time in the next year."

22. And he left off talking with him,
and God went up from Abraham.

ONLY THOSE WHO RECOGNIZE AND ABIDE BY GOD'S COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM CAN HAVE GOD'S SERVICES AS GOD.

Only a FOOL would read The Book of GENESIS and CONSIDER going to INFERIOR gods, who do NOTHING AT ALL for their worshippers- such as ALLAH OF ISLAM.

Golden6:
Now those "silly theories" was the idea of what God is supposed to be.. the idea That had been infused into me from 16+ years of going to church..

I didn't wake up and invent those "silly ideas".. I was taught the "silly ideas" in church


God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

Well.. God's definition is that he is "Good" , so that explains why he will not do what is "bad" , like lie ..

God cannot contradict himself..okay


I would had thought the Bible verse was to buttress your statement that God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

But it seems you are using it probably to make a point that

I am blaspheming against the holy ghost , which will not be forgiven , and I will give account of it on judgement day.. which from my knowledge means I should go to "hell".

THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD FROM THE SCRIPTURES, AND NOT FROM CHURCHES.

Where did God tell you to get Knowledge of Him from HEARSAY and THEORIES?

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO READ THE VERSES- WHICH IS NOT WHAT THEY WERE THERE FOR: I NEVER WRITE THESE SCRIPTURES FOR PEOPLE TO READ- YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE EVER COMING TO THE INTERNET- YOU SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT THE LORD MADE THE POINT THAT A KINGDOM DOES NOT FIGHT AGAINST ITSELF- UNLESS IT IS DYING.


Golden6:
Your first bolded part , the pharisees said Jesus casted out demons , by the aid of the devil


I didn't get the point you where trying to make .. only That probably the pharisees "lied" againt Jesus .. I already knew , from church , that most pharisees and saducees.. disliked Jesus.. so unless I didn't get your point , that part was just a reminder of something I've been told..


THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE IS TO ENABLE US TO LEARN HOW TO THINK MATURELY.

Golden6:
God does not know everything..

Wow .. really.. do other Christians believe this as well..

Because i was made to believe God knows everything..

He knows everything that had happened , is happening , and will happen on Earth..

Are you saying that is false ??

I was also of the belief that God is always watching , hence why no sin could be hidden from God.. i believe I have heard numerous times "God is everywhere"..


The Bible verse you quoted indicated God wasn't watching Sodom and Gomorrah , but had to decide to go down there and see what they had done...


If that's the case , that means I can sin , and God wouldn't know.. I mean.. he wasn't there.. unless he decided to come and see what I would be doing..


If he does not know everything , how much exactly does he know.. ??

I SHOWED YOU SCRIPTURAL PROOF, AND YOU REJECTED IT.

What proof did those whose Teachings you accepted show you?

Golden6:
God does not love everyone Equally... You even claim it is a stupid idea..

Wow ... Wow.. really ..
Wow .. well then.. I did not know that..
Do Christians believe this as well ??

... Well thank you brother _____ for assumming my brain has techincal difficulties.., and my gumption is offline.


Now to what you have said..

Well , I want to believe that the
When the pharisees where pissed that Jesus was surrounded by "sinners" Jesus said that does a doctor come to treat the sick and not those who are well ..

I want to believe that this statement means God cares for , and is trying to save sinners ,

But from your statement , I guess you mean God loves a pastor , more than he loves that armed robber in jail..

HOW CAN GOD POSSIBLY LOVE A MAN WHO MURDERED HIS PEOPLE FOR BASE MATERIAL GAIN AS MUCH AS SOMEONE WHO DID HIS WILL THE WHOLE TIME, AND SAVED LIVES?

Here, you show your inability to REASON, even when SHOWN reason!

Golden6:
.. Well , I don't get why you bolded circumcision again... I believe most male children in Nigeria are circumcised..
And it's not our choice to... So I don't get your points..



Also please be clear..


God loves Everyone , but some more than others..
Or God loves some and hates others..



The Lord shall send CURSING , VEXATION , REBUKE , in all sinners do ( those who don't obey the voice of God)
We shall be destroyed and shall perish because of our wickedness ..


I'm curious , does that indicate love or hate.


I mean imagine a parent telling his child that that would be the punishment for not obeying him..


I must say, please , long Bible verses are not really for me.. please , if you will reply this , please try and summarize the verses you're quoting and the point you intend to derive from them, ..

YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY STUPID TO KNOW THAT GOD CURSED, TORTURED, AND KILLED PEOPLE- AND THEN WONDER WHETHER THAT MEANT HE LOVED THEM OR HATED THEM!

If an ARMED ROBBER attacked YOU, and BEAT YOU UP, and TOOK YOUR HARD-EARNED RICHES, would YOU wonder whether he LOVED you or HATED you?

Only a very stupid person would be in doubt over that!

If you had read more than GENESIS you would know specific Teachings, like:

[color=silver].
MATTHEW 7:9-12.

9. "Or what man is there of you,
whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10. "Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11. "If ye then, being evil,
know how to give good gifts unto your children,
how much more shall your Father Which is in Heaven
give good things to them that ask him?
12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets."

ONLY AN INSANE FOOL DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE AND HATE!

That is the attitude of a CRIMINAL.

Golden6:
God does not know what people will do , ..really ... If God does not know our decisions in the present , how can he know the future , given that the future is simply the result of our present decisions..

Unless he doesn't know the future either...



Really... So what exactly does God know??



Okay , thank you again for indicating I was displaying stupidity..
I believe I did not insult any Christian for their belief in God..
All through the post I even ensured I have God capital G's..
Your choice of words only indicates your anger at me.. for expressing my opinion.. I mean.. is it Godly to speak while you're angry

IF YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO READ THE BIBLE BEYOND THE BOOK OF GENESIS, AND NOT EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN THAT ONE BOOK, HOW CAN YOU BE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND FURTHER EXPLANATIONS?

God speaks when angry.

Lord Yeshua spoke when angry.

Who are you to make up a Commandment that does not exist, claiming that being angry is somehow wrong?

Golden6:
Please what exactly is your purpose for writing this??.. to tell me am wrong , or to explain God to me..because so far I haven't gotten what point you're trying to make..



Are you drunk ?
The answer is No.
I Think.
Lol.. That sounds like , " I think I am not drunk" That's not what I mean

I mean

I am not drunk . I Think


Do you know me ??
That you assume I am a wicked soul ??..

Do I steal ,
Do I kill ,
No.

Did you know that ?? .. no .. but you assume I am a wicked soul,

Thank you.


Ahhh,

You actually say that God does not love everyone ... Wonderful..

Do all Christians believe that ??..


We'll see , how much believer's , Know God enough , to know HE DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE ...


Wow.. thanks .. I actually did not know that..


Well if God does not love everyone , why will you wake up .. walk up to a stranger to evangelise , and say God loves you??

.. I'm pretty sure , if and idea dropped in your head " Go and preach to the leader of the book Haram ( Mr Y)"

.. you will simply assume it's from the devil.. that God does not love (Mr Y) , and going to d
Sambisa will be suicide , hence it's the devil that is trying to kill you..

To love someone is to give them whatever they need.
God Loves job..

Job loved his children..


I can understand allowing him to be broke and loose his property


But God knew the devil was after Job's children.. and God didn't protect them..


Instead , after job lost them ,

God gave him more children..


I don't think.. there is anyone here , who will say , it's alright for God to let my kids die.. so far as he gives me more ..


Or was job a sinner ??

( I'm pretty sure you where offended at that "question"...
Yet for some reason you think asking "does my gumption not function? " Is okay)



More Bible verses ... I must be honest.. I didn't read your verses word for word.. I just glanced through and read the bold parts..


If you will reply this.. please just make the point you got from the verse.. odds are even if I read the verse , I might not get your point..


Wow ,

Really .. our souls get destroyed.. i.e do not go to hell

Wow.. another thing I did not know ...

Wow..

Really..
I thought the devil's mission is to drag as many as possible to the pits of hell with him..

Or that's not it, hell was made for the devil alone.. unbeleivers will simply perish , not burn forever.... do all "Believer's" share this your opinion?? ..


Wait.. you said *Most*

.. does that mean SOME go to hell..

Or you mean some go to heaven ?? ( For those who sinned unknowingly ??) ..




Well, I was giving an instance..
And I said WHOSE FUTURE..

She is not yet one.. ..i.e her videos will not exist..


And if that illustration is faulty..


Let me give another then


If God killed abubakar shekau before he started Boko Haram ( I know that statement is entirely wrong , but just assume it ) .. then thousands of
People killed, Muslims and unbelievers alike , had lived longer , and would have had the opportunity to be "saved"


Do you get now ??

And your choice of words is offensive ...




Lolzz.. whoever you are.. I have sure manage to annoy you ..


From what I know... I believe those islamists soldiers in someway believe they are obeying their God..

( I know most Muslims are peaceful..and those terrorists somehow found a way to twist the Qur'an to believe their God wants them to kill ) ..


Now , they believe their obeying God .. they believe their children will die obeying God , and hence get whatever afterlife the Muslim believes to exists for "Allah's children"..

It's so easy to hate terrorists now our days isn't it...


If you read the post , and read the book , drunk with blood ..

Or if you have even read your Bible at all..


You will have read , the people , and cities,God "Gave" to the isrealites in the Bible...


"Kill All Women , Children, And Animals" ..Not once , not twice was this commanded by God , to the isrealites , in the Bible

I'll get the book again, and list the number of cities God Eroded totally..

From your belief.. because they where sinners and so he didn't love them



Well, let me tell you.. that is exactly, what most terrorists believe.. that their God, ordered them, to kill those who are not Muslims , because they are Sinners..



.. but for some reason , it's okay to hate Boko Haram , but believe the isrealites are God's people..


Ohh,I didn't get the definition because the Bible is too long .. like I said , and I wouldn't spend my time reading it..

.. after all , even those who have read it , still have different ideas of who Their God is..



Well , I just said I got a Christian psychologist , who referred me to her church..


So she's evil for studying psychology ... I mean, how can she be a person who believes there is no God , nor soul ,nor spiritual powers , yet still be a born again..




May you , be even more messed up than I will be.



I mean.. I thought I specifically wrote to not insult ..

Well , obviously , you didn't intend preaching .. you actually took time to analyze this though..


And now I am through.. but my only conclusion is that


You're a believer , who believes
God Does not know Everything
God cannot do Everything
God Does not love everyone .


Please... Do other Believer's also agree with him ?? ... Or her .



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Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by TheRevivalist(m): 1:19pm On Feb 12
for every discussion or debate or write up, opened for the sake of God, is only and will only continue promoting Jesus!!!

have you asked your self if witches/wizards, magic, or even the devil is real?

one thing is, if bad people can be wicked to the extent of getting the "devil's" title and good people good to the extent of being called "saints". it only means there's a Spiritual force behind the two, controlling the affairs of such people world wide, and God is known to be good and devil evil, which clearly shows everything the bible talks about of GOD and little devil is TRUE.

commonSense#
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by TheRevivalist(m): 1:26pm On Feb 12
Seriously there's a level you'll get to spiritually that you won't need to argue about God anymore.

One who has a discussion full of write-ups like this for Him lol. if someone can take his/her time to do this then it shows HE IS REAL.

besides 99.9999 pecent of the world news and media is about CHRISTIANITY and Her activities, what more do you want?
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Akin1212(m): 2:30pm On Feb 12
TheRevivalist:
Serious there's a level you'll get to spiritually that you won't need to argue about God anymore.

One who has a discussion full of write-ups like this for Him lol. if someone can take his/her time to do this then it shows HE IS REAL.

besides 99.9999 pecent of the world news and media is about CHRISTIANITY and Her activities, what more do you want?

So because people write long epistles to disprove God means God is real? You christians have a level of ignorance that is very amusing.

99.9999 percent of the world news and media is about Christianity ? Lol, is this how you make yourself happy? The christians in the world are not even up to 50%.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by TheRevivalist(m): 5:01pm On Feb 12
Akin1212:


So because people write long epistles to disprove God means God is real? You christians have a level of ignorance that is very amusing.

99.9999 percent of the world news and media is about Christianity ? Lol, is this how you make yourself happy? The christians in the world are not even up to 50%.

Before you talk, read carefully and understand well!!

I don't need to make myself happy by seeing the news and media stories about our "activities" . if you read well "mr know it all" you'll see I said "news and media" which entails a body of event happenings and informations in data and not "POPULATION" that you changed it to.

you know He isn't real right? So why wake up, pick up your phone and start cracking your head to make up epistles just so to prove something you "know" doesn't exist, doesn't exist do you need to create discussion and seek people's views and opinions from arguments before you are satisfied that God isn't real? for God sake, there are many profitable things you could do with your life. wait how come you are even able to gather all these things you call "facts" about who you said doesn't exist? You really know Him ooo or better still have "His" time.

atheist are the smallest in population worldwide and have little or no impact they are adding to the world. "religious" countries and people are by far more progressive.

you people criticize big churches and rich ministers about not helping their members asif they are the ones you voted to power, ignorant of the various empowerment platforms the Churches individually created for her members, and how will you know? When you don't even attend any? So don't argue.

atheists are just a group of confused people suffering from one emotional trauma caused by their family foundational problems that they could not solve and are now transferring the aggressions to believers. all atheists have dark pasts behind the atheism. you guys commit most of the suicide world wide and are the most unsettled because you are always angry at everything and everyone for not being like you.
but still it doesn't give u the right to corrupt or criticize other people's views. weren't you thought in school to always respect it? I guess I should expect nothing less from a misguided sheep.

those who say that there is no God, are DYING.
accept Him now and be saved!!! Jesus Christ is Waiting to forgive and accept you regardless of your rebellion.
better still go and do something meaningful with your life to show the world you are better or maybe solve her problems to prove your selves instead of hiding behind some so called "epistles".

feel free to look for what you can quote from all I've said so far to use to continue pushing your pointless discussion.

I pray you see HIS LIGHT while it's still around you.
Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by oaroloye(m): 7:15pm On Feb 12
Golden6:


Well, to start with , I have never read the Bible past Genesis.

I LOST INTEREST IN YOU AS FROM THIS POINT.
Golden6:
Please what exactly is your purpose for writing this??.. to tell me am wrong , or to explain God to me..because so far I haven't gotten what point you're trying to make..
Are you drunk ?
The answer is No.
I Think.
Lol.. That sounds like , " I think I am not drunk" That's not what I mean
I mean
I am not drunk . I Think
Do you know me ??
That you assume I am a wicked soul ??..
Do I steal ,
Do I kill ,
No.
Did you know that ?? .. no .. but you assume I am a wicked soul,
Thank you.

. LUKE 18:9-14.

9. And he Spake this Parable unto certain
which trusted in themselves that they were righteous,
and despised others:

10. "Two men went up into the Temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11. "The Pharisee stood
and prayed thus with himself,

'GOD, I THANK THEE,
THAT I AM NOT AS OTHER MEN ARE,
EXTORTIONERS, UNJUST, ADULTERERS,
OR EVEN AS THIS PUBLICAN.
12. 'I FAST TWICE IN THE WEEK,
I GIVE TITHES OF ALL THAT I POSSESS.'


13. And the publican, standing afar off,
would not lift up so much as his eyes unto Heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,

'GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.'

14. "I Tell you, this man went down to his house justified
rather than the other:
for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

YOU ARE STILL FOOLISH TO BE COMPARING YOURSELF WITH OTHER SINNERS, WHEN YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE ONLY COMMANDMENT THAT MATTERS!

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this Day against you,
that I have set before you Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore choose Life,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy life, and the length of thy days:

that thou mayest dwell in the Land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob,
to give them.

Golden6:
Ahhh,
You actually say that God does not love everyone ... Wonderful..
Do all Christians believe that ??..

We'll see , how much believer's , Know God enough , to know HE DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE ...
Wow.. thanks .. I actually did not know that..

SEE HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO NOT READ THE BIBLE PAST GENESIS?

. EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake all these Words,
Saying,

2. "I am The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness of any thing
that is in Heaven above,
or that is in the Earth beneath,
or that is in the Water under the Earth.
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the Fathers
upon the Children
unto the Third and Fourth Generation
of them that hate Me;
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them that love Me,
and keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not take
The Name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name in vain."

. PSALM 7:11.

11. God judgeth the Righteous
and God is angry with the Wicked every day.

. PSALM 78:31-37.

31. The Wrath of God came upon them,
and slew the fattest of them,
and smote down the Chosen Men of Israel.
32. For all this they sinned still,
and believed not for His wondrous Works.
33. Therefore their days did He consume in vanity,
and their years in trouble.
34. When He slew them, then they sought Him:
and they returned and enquired early after God.
35. And they remembered that God was their Rock,
and The High God their Redeemer.
36. Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth,
and they lied unto Him with their tongues.
37. For their heart was not right with Him,
neither were they stedfast in His Covenant.

. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not The Spirit
by measure unto him.
35. "The Father loveth the Son,
and hath given all things into his hand.
36. "He that believeth on The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."


Golden6:
Well if God does not love everyone , why will you wake up .. walk up to a stranger to evangelise , and say God loves you??
IGNORANCE BEGINS BY PRESUMING WHAT PEOPLE DO, INSTEAD OF ASKING AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO.[/quote]

. [b]JOHN 14:21-27.


21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that thou
wilt manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear is not mine,
but The Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

. JOHN 16:27.

27. "For the Father Himself loveth you,
because ye have loved me,
and have believed that
I came out from God."

GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON AND BELIEVE THAT HE CAME OUT FROM GOD.

He does not love anyone else.

. JOHN 5:19-20.

19. Then answered Jesus and Said unto them,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

'THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,
BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO:'


for what things soever he doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. "For The Father loveth The Son,
and sheweth him all things
that Himself doeth:
and he will shew him
Greater Works than these,
that ye may marvel."

WHAT HAS GOD SHOWN OR DONE FOR ANYONE ELSE WHOM YOU THINK GOD LOVES?

Golden6:
.. I'm pretty sure , if and idea dropped in your head " Go and preach to the leader of the book Haram ( Mr Y)"
.. you will simply assume it's from the devil.. that God does not love (Mr Y) , and going to d
Sambisa will be suicide , hence it's the devil that is trying to kill you..

THIS IS THE STUPID AND PATHETIC IDEA OF HOW YOU THINK THE FULL GOSPEL CHRISTIANS OPERATE?

That “ideas” just “pop into our heads,” and we call it “THE VOICE OF GOD,” or “THE VOICE OF THE DEVIL?”

Is this not the rubbish your Psychiatrist Girlfriend taught you?

Then you ask why I tell you that PSYCHIATRY IS EVIL?

IF GOD SENT ME TO THE BOKO HARAM, IT WOULD ONLY BE TO END THEM.

What have they got to defend themselves?

Guns, bombs, knives…

I have God…

Not even a fair fight…

GOD HAS NO REASON TO SEND SOMEONE TO KILL THE BOKO HARAM OR OTHERWISE RENDER THEIR ORGANIZATION DEFUNCT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT VIOLATING ANY COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

. MATTHEW 10:12-16.

12. “And when ye come into an house,
salute it.
13. “And if the house be worthy,
let your Peace come upon it:
but if it be not worthy,
let your Peace return to you.
14. “And whosoever shall not receive you,
nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city,
shake off the dust of your feet.
15. “Verily I Say unto you,

‘IT SHALL BE MORE TOLERABLE
FOR THE LAND OF SODOM AND GOMORRHA
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, THAN FOR THAT CITY.’

16. “Behold, I send you forth as sheep
in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents,
and harmless as doves.”

ALL THOSE SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS KILLED BY THE BOKO HARAM WERE IN VIOLATION OF THIS COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

They were trying to create a Kingdom for their Church Organizations, not THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That is why God didn’t Save them: they had REJECTED Salvation.

Golden6:
To love someone is to give them whatever they need.
God Loves job..

Job loved his children..
I can understand allowing him to be broke and loose his property
But God knew the devil was after Job's children.. and God didn't protect them..
Instead , after job lost them ,
God gave him more children..
I don't think.. there is anyone here , who will say , it's alright for God to let my kids die.. so far as he gives me more ..
Or was job a sinner ??
( I'm pretty sure you where offended at that "question"...
Yet for some reason you think asking "does my gumption not function? " Is okay)

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JOB “LOVED HIS CHILDREN!”
. JOB 1:4-5.

4. And his sons went
and feasted in their houses,
every one his day;
and sent and called for their three sisters
to eat and to drink with them.
5. And it was so,
when the days of their feasting
were gone about,
that Job sent and sanctified them,
and rose up early in the morning,
and offered burnt offerings
according to the number of them all:
for Job said,

“It may be that my sons have sinned,
and cursed God in their hearts.”

Thus did Job continually.

HE BASICALLY EXPERIMENTED ON HIS CHILDREN, TO SEE IF HE COULD KEEP THEM ALIVE BY BEING DEVOUT FOR THEM- INSTEAD OF TEACHING THEM TO BE DEVOUT FOR THEMSELVES.
. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently
unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

MOSES REVEALED THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW A PARENT IS SUPPOSED TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN.
They are supposed to ELIMINATE ALL POSSIBILITY that they could Blaspheme God in their hearts.

They were no doubt influenced by their impious mother.
Golden6:
More Bible verses ... I must be honest.. I didn't read your verses word for word.. I just glanced through and read the bold parts..
If you will reply this.. please just make the point you got from the verse.. odds are even if I read the verse , I might not get your point..
SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU ARE?

You have, by your own admission, NEVER READ THOSE VERSES IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE- notice that your PSYCHIATRIST MOMMA never counselled you to READ THE WHOLE BIBLE.

Yet you think that she is a “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!”

See how GULLIBLE you have been!

WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN THAT IT WAS GOD’S DUTY TO PROTECT JOB’S CHILDREN?

[color=silver.[/color] GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image, after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every Creeping Thing
that Creepeth upon the Earth.
27. So God created Man in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God said unto them,
"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

IT WAS JOB’S DUTY TO PROTECT HIS OWN FAMILY

But each and every family member had a duty to protect themselves.

If the Children of Job were old enough to PARTY, they were old enough to PRAY.

Of course, you were totally lying about never having read past GENESIS before.

Golden6:
Wow ,
Really .. our souls get destroyed.. i.e do not go to hell
Wow.. another thing I did not know ...
Wow..
Really..

I thought the devil's mission is to drag as many as possible to the pits of hell with him..
Or that's not it, hell was made for the devil alone.. unbeleivers will simply perish , not burn forever.... do all "Believer's" share this your opinion?? ..

IGNORANCE BEGINS WITH [i]“I THOUGHT THAT…?” THEORIES, INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT THE FACTS.[/b]

Only those Souls powerful enough to call up the TOTAL RECALL MEMORY of their entire lives at the moment of their Death are permitted to continue into the AfterLife, you fool!

Those who FAIL that TEST OF ACCOUNTABILITY will be CUT INTO to access their Memory, and the remains left for THE DEVILS to SCAVENGE.

Nobody cares about the people who do not keep The Law- because those people will pass, even if they never know anything about the Test- therefore, It was not considered necessary to warn people about it.

Those who love God don’t need to find out what would have happened to them if they didn’t love God.

Why should they?

Therefore, this Teaching is hidden in The Bible.

Golden6:
Wait.. you said *Most*
.. does that mean SOME go to hell..
Or you mean some go to heaven ?? ( For those who sinned unknowingly ??) ..

WHEN YOU DIE WITHOUT KNOWING HOW TO NAVIGATE THE AFTERLIFE, YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF ANY PREDATOR THAT COMES ALONG.

When LAZARUS died, Angels conveyed him into ABRAHAM’S BOSOM REALM.

Men of similar Spiritual Power to Abraham have made their own “BOSOMS” in the AfterLife, enabling their Followers to come after them. You cannot go to Heaven by ACCIDENT.

It is like travelling to any Capital City- there are Robbers and Checkpoints- if you don’t know how to get past them or through them, you probably won’t.

Golden6:
Well, I was giving an instance..
And I said WHOSE FUTURE..
She is not yet one.. ..i.e her videos will not exist..
And if that illustration is faulty..
Let me give another then
If God killed abubakar shekau before he started Boko Haram ( I know that statement is entirely wrong , but just assume it ) .. then thousands of
People killed, Muslims and unbelievers alike , had lived longer , and would have had the opportunity to be "saved"
Do you get now ??
I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW ABUBAKAR SHEKAU AND HIS CRONIES ARE PERFECTLY WITHIN THEIR DIVINE RIGHTS, AND ARE DOING NOTHING THAT MERITS CAPITAL DAMNATION.

. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise
in Judgment with this Generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas;
and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The queen of the South shall rise up
in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the Earth
to hear the Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

. LUKE 13:1-9.

THERE were present at that season
some that told him of the Galilaeans,
whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2. And Jesus answering Said unto them,

"Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were Sinners
above all the Galilaeans,
because they suffered such things?
3. "I Tell you,

'NAY: BUT, EXCEPT YE REPENT,
YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.'


4. "Or those eighteen,
upon whom the Tower in Siloam fell,
and slew them,
think ye that they were Sinners
above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5. "I Tell you,

'NAY: BUT, EXCEPT YE REPENT,
YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.' "


6. He spake also this Parable;

"A certain man had a fig tree
planted in his vineyard;
and he came and sought fruit thereon,
and found none.
7. "Then said he unto the dresser
of his vineyard,

'BEHOLD, THESE THREE YEARS
I COME SEEKING FRUIT
ON THIS FIG TREE,
AND FIND NONE:
CUT IT DOWN;
WHY CUMBERETH IT
THE GROUND?'


8. "And he answering said unto him,

'LORD, LET IT ALONE THIS YEAR ALSO,
TILL I SHALL DIG ABOUT IT,
AND DUNG IT:
9. 'AND IF IT BEAR FRUIT,
WELL: AND IF NOT,
THEN AFTER THAT
THOU SHALT CUT IT DOWN.' "


It is the DUTY of EVERYONE to FIND, BELIEVE, REPENT, and RECEIVE THE GOSPEL : if they do not do that, then they have NO RIGHT TO LIVE.

Golden6:
And your choice of words is offensive ...
Lolzz.. whoever you are.. I have sure manage to annoy you ..

I CONTINUALLY TELL YOU SINNERS THAT YOU ARE FOOLS, BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID THAT YOU WILL OTHERWISE CONTINUE TO THINK THAT YOU ARE WISE.

They FALSE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES will BEG and WHEEDLE people to come join their Churches, because they really don’t care about THEM- they just want their MONEY and ADULATION for their FLATTERING LIES.

I CARE about people who are SMART ENOUGH TO REPENT, and COURAGEOUS to stand for what is RIGHT.

I really do not care about those who are otherwise inclined.

I do not need their “FRIENDSHIP,” I do not need their “ASSOCIATION,” I do not need their “SUPPORT.”

I need only TRUE BRETHREN beside me, behind me, and before me- if they can keep up!
Golden6:
From what I know... I believe those islamists soldiers in someway believe they are obeying their God..
( I know most Muslims are peaceful..and those terrorists somehow found a way to twist the Qur'an to believe their God wants them to kill ) ..

THAT SHOWS HOW VERY STUPID AND IGNORANT YOU ARE BECAUSE THE SO-CALLED TERRORISTS ARE THE TRUE PRACTICIONERS OF ISLAM, AND FOLLOWERS OF THE QUR’AN.

It is the peaceful Muslims who are the heretics and cowards of their Religion.

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