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Dsimmer:
Once you understand that God (Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye) is an invisible spirit whose begotten child represent his visible manifestation, your confusion will be cured.

As a matter of fact, If anyone thinks he wants to champion the stupidity of the dumb camel urine drinking Pedophile Arab terrorist criminal Mohammad, then he should rather focus on the exploits of Ishmael's descendants who are Mohammad's ancestors. Stop using Jewish history (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) which had nothing to do with Arab Mohammad who's Ishmael's descendant. In fact, camel urine drinking Pedophile criminal Mohammad had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors (Ishmael's descendants) thus the reason why Mohammad had to plagiarize the already written Jewish history (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) which had nothing to do with Mohammad, considering Mohammad is Ishmael's descendant.

Qasim6:
Guy u sure say u never dey craze like this?

You should probably tell people around you to take u to a hospital..

It is not looking good for you.

Dsimmer:
You who champion a useless camel urine drinking Arab lunatic Mohammad is the crazy one.

Like I stated, if your dumb self want to champion a dumb camel urine drinking lunatic Pedophile, then focus on the lunatic lineage which are Ishmael's descendants.

Qasim6:
Sorry

Take good care of yourself.

Kukutente23:
But using plural to refer to a single entity is strange in Arabic ain't it. That is why there is no mainstream explanation with some scholars offering different explanations up and down

The We in quran was borrowed by Muhammad. That is pretty much clear and antiislam has not yet said it connotes the plurality of God. He is just busy exposing the ignorance of you folks who claim to follow Islam. I like that you have tactically shifted from royal we to divine majesty

Qasim6:
Languages differ and languages use different rhetoric that some other might find absurd. That is what we need to learn and not all the nonsense Antiislam is doing looking for partners that does not exist and will never exist for Allah.

The WE in the Qur'an is a rhetoric device that connotes divine majesty and not plurality of God.

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you provide the text of this Fatwa 12713 you refer to please?

AntiisIam:
Is allah divine to start with?

Secondly, who is that king in Pre-islam time that used royal We?

Kukutente23:
It is not similar. Kings in Europe who normalised the use of royal We believed they were an embodiment of the state and thus symbol of sovereignity. That is why Louis XIV famously said "L'etat moi" meaning "I am the state". It is different from Yoruba who use it to refer to respect based on age.
Majestic plural does not exist AT ALL in Arabic or Semitic languages. It is easy to see in that in the Bible for example, Over twenty Kings were recorded and none ever used "We" to refer to himself. Same with Egyptian Kings which is one of the oldest civilisation. No record of royal We in usage there. As Antiislam pointed out, the royal We is mostly used in Europe.
Elohim is plural for God. Eloha is the singular. The usage in the Bible is to differentiate God from other gods especially canaanite gods which are also referred to as Eloha. it is from Eloha that Ilah came out and then Allah. Elohim was just a truncated way of saying Lord of gods or Lord God. So you missed it totally.

Till now, none of you can give an example of royal We usage in pre-Islamic Arabia so you need to give another explanation for Allah's use of We to refer to himself that is based on fact and fidelity. This one no fly

Next!!

AntiChristian:
Where did i say the Qu'ran is brighter grammar? Why can't you speak Verbatim what i say instead of stylishly telling lies?

No Nation uses the Bible to rule its nation like the Qur'an! You still lied!

Did Muhammad say he got it from Elohim? Why not conclude your discussion with him instead of gossiping that to me? Abeg shift jawe!

Qasim6:
No be me go answer dumb question.

AntiisIam:
I asked AntiChristian and Qasim6 if quran and allah came into existence after 12th century to have make used of Royal WE

Those boys don't think before commenting, Muhammad has ruin their lives.

AntiisIam:
Dem no born you well to answer, even sultan the number one slave in Nigeria can't answer the question, so who are you to answer

Royal WE that was first introduced in 12th century is what you're attaching allah and quran with, aswear opolo gbogbo yin ti d'ota ninu isilamu

Qasim6:
You did not grasp anything from all the discussion on this thread?

Why did God used Elohim for Moses in exodus 7:1?

AntiisIam:
Who is that king in Pre-islam time that used royal We?

Qasim6:

Your dumbness is second to non. Just keep basking in your dumbness!

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you provide the text of this Fatwa 12713 you refer to please?

Ohyoudidnt:
Don't you get the crime or sin of the Pharisees and Sanhendrin of rejecting belief despite seeing the virgin get pregnant and bare child without relations with a man and the baby speaking to them as a baby from the cradle about his nature?

Mary regarded as a sister of Aaron was in a honorary position not literal as she is/was devoted to worshipping God as Aaron's lineage were.

Mary was recognized for dedicating a significant portion of her time to solitude and devotion to worship, even prior to her pregnancy. Her life was characterized by a deep commitment to Allah, and she resided in the sanctuary under the care of Zakariya, where she engaged in continuous worship and service to her Lord. This seclusion represented a way of life centered on spiritual focus and purity, as she had been devoted to the service of Allah from a young age.

Imran, referred to in the Quran as the father of Maryam, who is the mother of Jesus, is not the same Imran (Amram) found in the Torah, who is the father of Prophet Moses (Musa) along with his siblings, Aaron (Harun) and Miriam. In essence, while they have the same name, they are distinct individuals from different historical contexts.

Ohyoudidnt:
The term “royal we” is a rhetorical device historically employed by monarchs and dignitaries to convey majesty or authority. In this context, it does not suggest plurality but instead serves to elevate the speaker’s status. When Allah uses “we,” it is primarily understood as a majestic form of speech that reflects His greatness and sovereignty. This usage is distinct from plural references as it emphasizes divine majesty rather than implying multiple entities.

In classical Arabic, the use of “nahnu” (we) was prevalent in various forms of literature and speech to express grandeur or significance. Al-Raghib al-Asfahani, an early Quranic lexicologist, observed that while “nahnu” can refer to a speaker alongside others, its application by Allah typically signifies His singularity combined with majesty. This understanding aligns with traditional Islamic teachings that stress God’s oneness (tawheed) without suggesting any division or plurality within His essence.

Modern readers might misinterpret the use of “we” as indicative of a pluralistic view of divinity, such as the Christian concept of the Trinity or other polytheistic beliefs. However, this interpretation overlooks the rhetorical tradition in which these verses were revealed.

The Quran consistently affirms Allah’s oneness throughout its text, clarifying that any reference using “we” does not undermine this fundamental belief.

When Allah refers to Himself using “we,” it should be understood through the lens of majesty and eloquence inherent in classical Arabic rhetoric rather than as an indication of plurality or partnership within divinity. This perspective reinforces core Islamic beliefs about tawheed while appreciating the linguistic richness of the Quran.

AntiisIam:
You see what I'm saying, you are asking where you said Quran is brighter grammar abi? Shey you are high with the expired camel urine you drank this afternoon when you said Quran is brighter grammar right?

AntiChristian:
Why ask same question many time?

Which king exist in Pre-Islamic Arab?
And Which Book of grammar did they write then?

AntiChristian:
Which king existed then?

AntiChristian:
So which records of that time about their grammar will you see translated in English online today?
It will be in Arabic!

So go and sit down!

AntiChristian:
Where did I say that O liar for Jesus?

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an became the Book of grammar for the Arabs.

AntiChristian:
Allah is the We!

He said he is one not three!

RightChannel:
You even put it in bold!

So WE has to do with JUST a person if NOT a group of people in English right?

Muhammad has failed you completely with this ignorance attitudes you are displaying on nairaland!

Note that Royal We has to do with Royal family!

RightChannel:
Let me quickly come in here to show you the systematically ways you love to lie


Maybe someone helped you in typing the above statement!

Kukutente23:
You seem to have not followed this discussion well. What we have established is that royal We is common to European monarchies and was introduced in 12th century. Islam and Qur'an is much older than that period so the explanation can't fly.
You have also claimed that the use of plural we existed in classical Arabic literature. Can you share examples of such literature where royal We is employed for usage you described?
Note that Muhammad's tribe does not have kings neither does any king exist in the southern Arabic peninsula who might have used such term. So how does a tribe that has no kings use a royal rendition in their lexicon?

Kukutente23:
You're looking at the text.

Heavenlydemon:
Anyone who doubts the teaching of the Trinity realistically can't be a Christian