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DZTech:
If you want to copy Abraham, copy him with your full chest. Do all the things he did.
Let's see where it leads you
Unbolivabul.

It will lead to financial rest. I am the seed of Abraham and his blessing rest on me.

DZTech:
Na WA o.
What's your concern with how God related with the Jews? I thought Christ is supposed to be the example and goal for Christians?

Ok, let's get on the same page. I asked in my main post and asked you AGAIN, yet you STILL haven't answered my question.
Are you under the law of Moses?

Did I ever tell you I was under the Law of Moses?

So you want to pay tithes under the law, but claim to be under Christ?
A ship CANNOT have 2 masters.
Ave when you're neither here nor there, Christ said He will spit you from His mouth.
Your choice.

Ken4Christ:
Did I ever tell you I was under the Law of Moses?

DZTech:
So you want to pay tithes under the law, but claim to be under Christ?
A ship CANNOT have 2 masters.
Ave when you're neither here nor there, Christ said He will spit you from His mouth.
Your choice.

Was Abraham under the Law when he paid tithe?

Was Jacob under the Law when he vowed to pay his tithe?

DZTech:
Take this to church tomorrow and ask your pastor what's going on-

Law or Faith

1You foolish Galatians! Who put a spell on you? Before your very eyes you had a clear description of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross! 2Tell me this one thing: did you receive God's Spirit by doing what the Law requires or by HEARING the gospel and BELIEVING it? (Galatians 3:1-2)

Those who depend on obeying the Law live under a curse. For the scripture says, “Whoever does not ALWAYS obey EVERYTHING that is written in the book of the Law is under God's curse!” (Galatians 3:10)

“Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, ‘Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree’ -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the PROMISE of the Spirit through faith.” (Galatians 3:13-14)
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Yet you say you've DELIBERATELY returned to being yoked by that curse. So how will you be saved, since you've rejected Christ's redemption?

I want to be sure there's NO ambiguity.
Your pastor uses Christ's coming to FULFILL the law as the reason for paying tithes, right?
Did Christ come to uphold or to fulfill?
The Scribes and Pharisees UPHOLD the law.
If Christ FULFILLED it, why are you STILL paying tithes, under the CURSE of the law?

Pentecostalism has led so many Christians astray with it's false teachings, that the VICTIMS of this deceit are it's GREATEST defenders. 🤦🏾‍♂️

So tithe payers-
Are YOU redeemed by Christ, or still under the CURSE of the law?
I await answers.
God bless 🇳🇬

They are not cursed as long as you do it not bases on the Law. Abraham gave tithe when there was no law and he was blessed. We walk in the footsteps of Abraham who is the father of faith.

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If this what pastors have been preaching in Nigeria for decades? 💁🏾‍♂️
You better stop with your white lies. 😏

Ken4Christ:
They are not cursed as long as you do it not bases on the Law. Abraham gave tithe when there was no law and he was blessed. We walk in the footsteps of Abraham who is the father of faith.

You're hilarious! 😀

Christ isn't your standard anymore, it's now Abraham and Jacob. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Liars will ALWAYS find a way. 😂😌😃

Ken4Christ:
Was Abraham under the Law when he paid tithe?

Was Jacob under the Law when he vowed to pay his tithe?

DZTech:
You're hilarious! 😀

Christ isn't your standard anymore, it's now Abraham and Jacob. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Liars will ALWAYS find a way. 😂😌😃

By Christ standard, we ought to give all. That is 100%. But I am not there yet. One day I will give all. For now, I give at least 30% for tithe and ministry and another 30% for benevolence. I spend less than 30% for personal needs.

Wake up my friend and give more.

DZTech:
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If this what pastors have been preaching in Nigeria for decades? 💁🏾‍♂️
You better stop with your white lies. 😏

I follow what God’s word says and not what Pastors have been preaching for years.

Ken4Christ:
Abraham gave Melchizedek tithes of all he had.

The writer of Hebrews in error said it was tithe of the spoils of war.

How could he have given tithe of the spoils when he rejected the spoils?

Melchizedek is a type of Christ. So, as we give our tithe, we are invariably giving honour to Jesus who is the head of the church.

he you mean Abraham rejected the spoils, so how can they be his? You said he gave from "all he had"? Or do you mean Abraham gave tithes from what was in his house and not what was from that battle field?


You say "Melchizedek is a type of Christ" , another question is are we in Christ or in Abraham?

Ken4Christ:
Thanks for your answer but your answer is not totally right. It was primarily meant to take care of the Levites. The extension to Widows and orphans were done once in 3 years.

And the feasting was done once in a year.

If God cares for those who serve him in his house under the Old Covenant established with the blood of bulls and goats, do you think he cares less about his servants under the New Testament who spread the word of eternal life and deliver souls from the kingdom of darkness?

Please, use your brain.

My only concern is that most churches neglect the poor in their midst.

So, the issue is not the tithe but how it is being managed.

Tithe strengthens the church financially.

If people are left to give whatever they want, the church would not have gotten to where it is today.

This is the last days. Evangelical activities requires funding and souls must be won into God's kingdom faster than they are snatched into hell.

The devil doesn't want it. So he attacks the practice of tithing to weaken the church.

How pathetic can you be?

You deny an answer as being right but fail to show how it is wrong and the error within it. You are pathetic because you took a general simple answer to show your arrogance of knowledge yet you advise others to use their brains while you failed to ever use yours.

Sorry you are not just pathetic you are hypocritical, you thought you were being critical but you are just a hypocrite.
"If people are left to give whatever they want, the church would not have gotten to where it is today"

Because your church is built on money and worships money?

"This last days" so God suddenly changed and told you he needed money (mammon) to save souls.

How would you know what the devil doesn't want when you don't even know what God wants?

You tried to use your brain and your words and ways were foolish, yet you refused to repent nor humble yourself before God. Continue

MightySparrow:
Are twisting things or making things up?
Abraham met Melchizedek only once.
Later in Law, it was said that tithes was to be given to priests, and the needy.

So, Abraham gave to Melchizedek because he recognized him to be a representative of God.


So I don't see your point here. I still ask if you are advocating not giving anything to God?

how does not giving tithe equate to not giving anything to God?
From where did you get such wisdom to ask such question?

MightySparrow:
Show me where Jesus condemned tithing and giving in the gospels.

show us where Jesus commanded tithing in the gospels

Ken4Christ:
It will lead to financial rest. I am the seed of Abraham and his blessing rest on me.

you are the seed of Abraham? It's not Jesus again but you?

Please tell us which blessing rests on you?

Ken4Christ:
Was Abraham under the Law when he paid tithe?

Was Jacob under the Law when he vowed to pay his tithe?

who asked him to make a vow?

Where or when did he fulfill that vow?

Is it the pouring oil on a rock was his 10%?

Ken4Christ:
They are not cursed as long as you do it not bases on the Law. Abraham gave tithe when there was no law and he was blessed. We walk in the footsteps of Abraham who is the father of faith.

so wasn't he blessed before?

By the way why didnt Isaaac pay tithe?

Ken4Christ:
By Christ standard, we ought to give all. That is 100%. But I am not there yet. One day I will give all. For now, I give at least 30% for tithe and ministry and another 30% for benevolence. I spend less than 30% for personal needs.

Wake up my friend and give more.

which nonsense you are not there yet, who deceived you?

So those who gave all in the bible were doing it step by step abi

gohf:
which nonsense you are not there yet, who deceived you?

So those who gave all in the bible were doing it step by step abi

You give in accordance to the level of your faith.

gohf:
so wasn't he blessed before?

By the way why didnt Isaaac pay tithe?

To let you know how important tithe is, Jesus is made an high priest after the order of Melchizedec. And the only record we have about Melchizedec is that he received tithe and blessed Abraham. He appeared only for that purpose. Tithing is a spiritual principle.

gohf:
show us where Jesus commanded tithing in the gospels

Jesus didn't not come to give any laws. Show us where Jesus gave Laws like Moses.

gohf:
how does not giving tithe equate to not giving anything to God?
From where did you get such wisdom to ask such question?

So the problem is the name tithe?

MightySparrow:
So the problem is the name tithe?

the problem is that you avoid answering by asking irrelevant things

MightySparrow:
Jesus didn't not come to give any laws. Show us where Jesus gave Laws like Moses.

why should one who is greater be compared with he who is lesser.


Ask me to show you where Jesus gave us commands and stop pretending to be wise asking, "gave laws like Moses"

Ken4Christ:
To let you know how important tithe is, Jesus is made an high priest after the order of Melchizedec. And the only record we have about Melchizedec is that he received tithe and blessed Abraham. He appeared only for that purpose. Tithing is a spiritual principle.

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So according to you Melchizedek appeared ONLY to collect material stuffs from Abraham 🤔
Not to bring wine and break bread and bless him o 🙄, just to collect money 😏

Don't go and repent, stay here and be typing nonsense.

Ken4Christ:
You give in accordance to the level of your faith.

so tithe you pay according to the law of Moses is now what?

gohf:
the problem is that you avoid answering by asking irrelevant things

Tithing preceded the Law of Moses nah

gohf:
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So according to you Melchizedek appeared ONLY to collect material stuffs from Abraham 🤔
Not to bring wine and break bread and bless him o 🙄, just to collect money 😏

Don't go and repent, stay here and be typing nonsense.

OK. Thanks for reminding me he brought wine and bread.

But, come to think of it. If tithing wasn't important, he would have asked Abraham not to bother about it. He blessed Abraham and Abraham gave him tithe if all he had.

And Jesus is an high Priest after the order of Melchizedec.

So, give him your tithe and he will receive it.

Ken4Christ:
OK. Thanks for reminding me he brought wine and bread.

But, come to think of it. If tithing wasn't important, he would have asked Abraham not to bother about it. He blessed Abraham and Abraham gave him tithe if all he had.

And Jesus is an high Priest after the order of Melchizedec.

So, give him your tithe and he will receive it.

oh so you at least know he blessed Abraham before and not after Abraham gave him 10% of loot he didn't take

I am not Abraham na, did Jesus ask me for tithe, did Melchizedek even ask Abraham for 10%

Besides how do you even give Jesus your tithe? Should we wait for him to come with bread and wine as well? Or wait till we get some loot 😊

MightySparrow:
Tithing preceded the Law of Moses nah

really? show us where God commanded anyone to tithe before the laws of moses 😏

gohf:
really? show us where God commanded anyone to tithe before the laws of moses 😏

You seem not to understand what you are discussing. After Adam and Eve were evicted from the Garden of Eden, everything man was doing to connect back to God was what became accepted. Only two things were originated by God: redemption using animals to replace the death He said to be the judgement for eating from the forbidden tree, the other was marriage between man and woman. We could imply both water and spirit baptism by Noah and his ark

Covenant was Abraham's idea, because he didn't believe a simple promise.though started by Noah, sacrifice was by Cain and Abel, no records they were taught by Adam, prayer started in the days of Enos son of Seth. Tithing started with Abraham, Jacob made it a vow. Moses incorporated it in his Law for the Levites.. ( Mind you the Law of Moses was different from the ten commandments). Abraham and Levites had one thing in common: God was their inheritance.

So, what has replaced prayer, wedding, sacrifice ( not redemptive by God, the kind that Cain and Abel did)?, covenant, baptisms, vows, circumcision?

In Hebrews, we are told even Levites paid tithe in Abraham. Now Abraham's faith was to give only ten percent. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law, an additional burden introduced by Moses and sin introduced by Adam and connected us to blessings of Abraham.
If it was necessary for Levites to have paid in Abraham, why?

Jesus corrected the idea of Sabbath, because He is the Sabbath Himself. He corrected the idea of divorce and didn't correct the idea of tithing. Why?

MightySparrow:
You seem not to understand what you are discussing. After Adam and Eve were evicted from the Garden of Eden, everything man was doing to connect back to God was what became accepted. Only two things were originated by God: redemption using animals to replace the death He said to be the judgement for eating from the forbidden tree, the other was marriage between man and woman. We could imply both water and spirit baptism by Noah and his ark

Covenant was Abraham's idea, because he didn't believe a simple promise.though started by Noah, sacrifice was by Cain and Abel, no records they were taught by Adam, prayer started in the days of Enos son of Seth. Tithing started with Abraham, Jacob made it a vow. Moses incorporated it in his Law for the Levites.. ( Mind you the Law of Moses was different from the ten commandments). Abraham and Levites had one thing in common: God was their inheritance.

So, what has replaced prayer, wedding, sacrifice ( not redemptive by God, the kind that Cain and Abel did)?, covenant, baptisms, vows, circumcision?

In Hebrews, we are told even Levites paid tithe in Abraham. Now Abraham's faith was to give only ten percent. Jesus came to redeem us from the curse of the Law, an additional burden introduced by Moses and sin introduced by Adam and connected us to blessings of Abraham.
If it was necessary for Levites to have paid in Abraham, why?

Jesus corrected the idea of Sabbath, because He is the Sabbath Himself. He corrected the idea of divorce and didn't correct the idea of tithing. Why?

You that seems to understand what you are saying. Care to explain, "everything man was doing to connect back to God was what became accepted."

So Cain was also accepted abi?


And what is this nonsense, "Only two things were originated by God: redemption using animals to replace the death He said to be the judgement for eating from the forbidden tree, the other was marriage between man and woman."

Did God ever save people through animal sacrifice or through their obedience to Him?

Wait I didn't know a wedding occured in the garden of Eden?

Anyway, so to you who has understanding only redemption and marriage came from God, only those two things 🙄🤔

"Covenant was Abraham's idea, because he didn't believe a simple promise." The same Abraham called father of faith because he believed God or is there another Abraham the one who gave God the idea of covenant? Mr Understanding.

Even your question is dumb, "what replaced wedding prayer and sacrifice" must everyone get married, didn't Jesus speak the truth that not all will marry, didn't Paul not marry. Jesus said go and understand what it means, God desires mercy and not sacrifice. Mr Understanding do you understand what it means?


Do you understand your question, even the author of Hebrews would be ashamed for you

"Why didn't Jesus correct the idea of tithing"

Twice Jesus mentions tithing in the gospel both were of bad examples

One was even a woe

Matt.23.23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving them undone.


Luke.18.11-12 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'


Tithing is not a justification for wickedness nor self praise. You mentioned Sabbath, just as Sabbath was made for man and not man for Sabbath, tithing for made for man and not man for tithing. When your interpretation of tithing leads to evil just as their interpretation of Sabbath did, you are just as evil as they were.

gohf:
You that seems to understand what you are saying. Care to explain, "everything man was doing to connect back to God was what became accepted."

So Cain was also accepted abi?


And what is this nonsense, "Only two things were originated by God: redemption using animals to replace the death He said to be the judgement for eating from the forbidden tree, the other was marriage between man and woman."

Did God ever save people through animal sacrifice or through their obedience to Him?

Wait I didn't know a wedding occured in the garden of Eden?

Anyway, so to you who has understanding only redemption and marriage came from God, only those two things 🙄🤔

"Covenant was Abraham's idea, because he didn't believe a simple promise." The same Abraham called father of faith because he believed God or is there another Abraham the one who gave God the idea of covenant? Mr Understanding.

Even your question is dumb, "what replaced wedding prayer and sacrifice" must everyone get married, didn't Jesus speak the truth that not all will marry, didn't Paul not marry. Jesus said go and understand what it means, God desires mercy and not sacrifice. Mr Understanding do you understand what it means?


Do you understand your question, even the author of Hebrews would be ashamed for you

"Why didn't Jesus correct the idea of tithing"

Twice Jesus mentions tithing in the gospel both were of bad examples

One was even a woe

Matt.23.23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving them undone.


Luke.18.11-12 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'


Tithing is not a justification for wickedness nor self praise. You mentioned Sabbath, just as Sabbath was made for man and not man for Sabbath, tithing for made for man and not man for tithing. When your interpretation of tithing leads to evil just as their interpretation of Sabbath did, you are just as evil as they were.

Jesus condemned tithing?