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stevups:
The way ministry is designed, Paul Eneche, Ibiyiome, are supposed to learn under the experience of Abioye but now Abioye will consult them, no matter what! I do not rule out his achievements, but one must know when to stop dancing. Can relate the story of Laban and Jacob? Jacob said " I have been serving you all this while, when should I prepare for my home?" To me, Abioye has a closed mind. The politics in the church is more than the politics in government. I studied church history, I can boldly tell you that Oyedepo also learnt under someone. Most of the people that desire absolute loyalty don't give it to others. Immediately I stepped into the Canaanland I could see there is a big problem on ground. In the next 10 years you will see, that many churches will spring out of winners.

Michael547:
From your information, it shows clearly that winners is the only true church in the world. Is that correct?

Anonimoux:
What an amazing list but I am shocked that APOSTLE JOSHUA SELMAN Isn't on this list to be honest. Could there be a reason for that please tell me oh.
Coz honestly these are the same people I listen to also

Apostle Joshua Selman

Apostle Michael Orokpo

Apostle Effa Emmanuel Isaac

Apostle Femi Lazarus

Apostle Philip Cephas

Apostle Arome Osayi

Prophet Joel Ogebe

Dr. David Ogbueli (This Man I see him as my Daddy, he teaches as if he sit with God personally)

These are the people I can listen to their messages for hours, the dexterity and the oratorical prowess with which they communicate the hallowed oracles of God is just amazing. You would easily know that these are men that have done business with the immortals and the Luminaries of Zion...

God bless

Michael547:
Did pastor ibiyiemie mention any right person to vote for that was on the ballot?

lekonso:
You people are not even mentioning Apostle Johnson Sulaiman. He is equally sound and good

SmellingAnus:
https://www.nairaland.com/7665046/escobar-osama-bin-laden-rule this is just one of them... Even someone not so smart will understand what he is saying so I believe you will understand this ...

Below is another video of him concerning the election

https://www.nairaland.com/7236599/just-david-ibiyeomie-tells-church

yomi531:
Na ur mouth I hear that one oo. Tell me more bro....

jesusjnr2020:
It's a quite similar feeling I usually had whenever I heard Paul Enenche speaking despite hearing that Oyedepo was his mentor.

He appeared to have a different mindset from Oyedepo from the way he sounded and acted very differently apart from a few occasions.

I hardly heard him teach the antichrist prosperity gospel and its heresies about tithing as was the usual of David Oyedepo and that David Ibiyeomie )who has proven overtime to be a much worse version of David Oyedepo). Hence when I see them together I wonder how they possibly agree despite the glaring differences, however didn't allow that association to affect my opinion of Paul Enenche, because I am not one driven by personal sentiments but Truth.

However Paul Enenche left early to start his own ministry, which perhaps helped him not to be stifled as David Abioye, but to shone brightly and impact the worldore or less to the fullest.

So could David Abioye have also done same thing?

Going by what later happened to him (enforced retirement) despite his loyalty and unwavering service to Oyedepo ministry all those years, the answer is probably in the affirmative.


Your opinion but know that you didn't make any sense

God bless.

Michael547:
Oh......so you mean that there are other true churches like winners in Nigeria that don't agree with Oyedepo?

FerrariE:
Oyedepos teachings Boring? You're a joker. What!!

Why not say u lack the intellectual capability to understand His preaching? If you don't have what to say, pls do not further expose your lack of intelligence

Anonimoux:
What an amazing list but I am shocked that APOSTLE JOSHUA SELMAN Isn't on this list to be honest. Could there be a reason for that please tell me oh.
Coz honestly these are the same people I listen to also

Apostle Joshua Selman

Apostle Michael Orokpo

Apostle Effa Emmanuel Isaac

Apostle Femi Lazarus

Apostle Philip Cephas

Apostle Arome Osayi

Prophet Joel Ogebe

Dr. David Ogbueli (This Man I see him as my Daddy, he teaches as if he sit with God personally)

These are the people I can listen to their messages for hours, the dexterity and the oratorical prowess with which they communicate the hallowed oracles of God is just amazing. You would easily know that these are men that have done business with the immortals and the Luminaries of Zion...

God bless

Michael547:
So why are there poor Christians today?

Basicend:
Dear Writer,

Spiritual authority and depth is earned tru the exact paths that God has put before you.

Skills, knowledge and spiritual gifts are not enough.

Many people like Bishop Abioye coz he seems humble, I believe that is one of the reasons why God allowed him to back Bishop Oyedepo for many years.

Bishop Oyedepo is an aggressive lion, and needs someone close with some calm, worded and balanced appeal to carry the ministry weight.

If Bishop Abioye is not called to patriach a ministry pathway by himself, he would not have gotten to where he is today.

It is only the hand of God that gives a voice and makes a man great. And this has to do with obedience to his will or burden.

* * Arguably, even the greatest man of God in Nigeria today, Pastor E.A Adeboye did not own a church. Not a single parish of RCCG belongs to him or his family. . but becoz he connected himself to God"s needed move for that season, his name was established tru God's name.

Whereas, God permitted Bishop Oyedepo and some others to create paths and establish churches directly.

jesusjnr2020:
Was David Abioye Spiritual Prowess Being Stifiled Under Oyedepo All These Years?

Despite hearing the name David Abioye for several decades, (which wasn't unusual being the second in command to David Oyedepo founder and GO of winners chapel), it was only recently after his forced retirement from the church, that I got to know what he looked like and also what he sounded like, and I must confess that in the few times I have heard him speaking, I have already been impressed with his level of spiritual depth and understanding.

It's profoundly strange that this was someone that was serving under David Oyedepo for so many years, yet I have never felt the same way about David Oyedepo despite hearing him preach countless times, including when I was still a member of CGM, and attended several annual conventions when he was invited as a guest speaker.

Even while I was yet a sinner and wasn't as spiritually discerning as I am now, but could still discern spiritually deep preaching and teachings from those which were shallow, I have never been impressed with Oyedepo's preaching or teaching, how much more after I have not only got saved but also born-again and begun to walk at the highest level of spiritual walk where it was all about God?

Yet I heard David Abioye speaking only a few occasions and was wondering if he was really the same person that was with Oyedepo all these years or if it was someone else.

It was indeed baffling and made me wonder if David Abioye's spiritual prowess and impact wasn't stifled all these years, and if it wouldn't have been much more beneficiary to God's Kingdom had he parted ways with the church much earlier, especially considering the way his loyalty and service to Oyedepo was being rewarded with retirement when he still had so much more to offer in the work of the kingdom.

He also appears to be thinking along these lines considering that he has already launched his own ministry shortly afterwards, so could it a case of waiting too long before doing the needful?

https://www.nairaland.com/8266565/bishop-abioye-begins-new-ministry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y51et3odFCA

It's better late than never though, at least the world can finally get to hear and partake of the spiritual riches that David Abioye has got to offer without any more hinges.

God bless.

FerrariE:
You're a Loser not a winner

descarado:
You got no answer for me?

The way you guysspwelies boldly is shocking.
Paul enenche has nothing to do with oyedepo till he became a minister.oyedepo was a man he admired from afar and loved his style and method of teaching. Later went to him for blessing and to act as his father figure.

I can tell you all about enenche growing up,everything about his family and ministry as an insider.
So you guys should shush it with the lies and zip your mouth about nothing you have no idea of.

Oyedepo once adored a very popular American pastor and sought him out in his early years of ministry. He sowed seed into his ministry and tried modeling his own ministry like that guys own.
Think that pastor is dead now.
Can we say that the said pastor was oyedepo's mentor?

Daniel058:
These are men of God I can comfortably listen to their messages

David OGBUELI

Arome OSAYI

CHRIS OYAHKILOME

MICHAEL OROKPO

JOHN ANOSIKE

FEMI LAZARUS

JOEL OGEBE
LAWRENCE OYOR

ISAAC EFFA
APOSTLE VICTOR



The one I can really follow their teachings re just 3 ,DAVID OGBUELI, AROME OSAYI AND MICHAEL OROKPO

I can't really follow motivational speakers,they will end up making me feel that God does not exist

Basicend:
Dear Writer,

Spiritual authority and depth is earned tru the exact paths that God has put before you.

Skills, knowledge and spiritual gifts are not enough.

Many people like Bishop Abioye coz he seems humble, I believe that is one of the reasons why God allowed him to back Bishop Oyedepo for many years.

Bishop Oyedepo is an aggressive lion, and needs someone close with some calm, worded and balanced appeal to carry the ministry weight.

If Bishop Abioye is not called to patriach a ministry pathway by himself, he would not have gotten to where he is today.

It is only the hand of God that gives a voice and makes a man great. And this has to do with obedience to his will or burden.

* * Arguably, even the greatest man of God in Nigeria today, Pastor E.A Adeboye did not own a church. Not a single parish of RCCG belongs to him or his family. . but becoz he connected himself to God"s needed move for that season, his name was established tru God's name.

Whereas, God permitted Bishop Oyedepo and some others to create paths and establish churches directly.

Harddiskng:
The poor will always be among you and the people of God perish cuz of lack of understanding.

There is no religion on earth that doesn’t have poor people.

Is it every so called “Christian” that pays tithe or lives a sinless life style? Of cuz not but we still call them “Christians” lol

The fact that you have malaria drug in your house, does that make you automatically free from malaria? You have to look for that drug, find it and put that bitter drug in your mouth. That is where most are lacking.

Remember the Old Testament - Elisha and the widow of the “Poor” prophet of God, whose children were sold into slavery. That man serve God but was poor: 2 Kings 4:1-25

First, you must understand It was the fault of that prophet of God for being poor. For all things are available to the children of God. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find. It was after the prophet’s death and many discomfort the wife went to look for a solution: it is like having a boil on your ass then ignoring it till it become as so big you can’t even sit down, does it have to get to that!?

Secondly, you don’t even need to look far, look at the OP. Who calls prosperity part of the gospel “evil”. Your hands can NEVER touch what your mind can’t accept!

Saviola86:
I think he was being stifled


I had same experience. I was in partnership with a friend who was both the boss, CEO and everything. Hiding money and getting the bulk of everything. I valued our friendship more than the money so I overlooked the excesses and just did my job but one night while praying the Lord told me that if I do not break out of this friend, I will never be successful.

I was scared of leaving so I don't offend him and of a truth I was comfortable with the little I was getting.

Then a month later, I heard same voice but this time more intense and personal. After much thinking I broke away from my friend.

It wasn't easy cos I tried to make it peaceful but exit always hurts.

Fast forward to a year later I made 5 times all I have ever made in partnership with my friend.


So sometimes you have to leave for you to discover purpose

yomi531:
U mustn't agree with him na. Na u sabi. I was only trying to correct one guy that said papas preaching was boring. Like wtf. Its just like saying u don't enjoy watching City play ball. U will be a fo*l to say something like dat

VULCAN:
So much carnal thinking displayed in this post!.

It would take an epistle to unlock all the sense-based thinking found here.

The poster even claimed he is operating at the highest level of Christianity!

What an open display of pride.

Yet, his idea of Ministry is that one should move to where you will get the most popularity and visibility, even if God did not send you there.

May God open his eyes to what Ministry means as he has no idea yet.

Pls read the following scriptures which rubbishes the thinking behind the OP

For in fact the body is not one member but many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. And if they were all one member, where would the body be? But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
I Cor 12:14-27

OBA117:
This is what some people did not know.

Everyone has a certain pastor or preacher ordained for them. If you listen to the preaching of the person that is not sent to you, you will think the preacher is not genuine.


TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURE BELOW

"There were many widows in Israel in the time of the prophets, but God did not send Elijah to any of them, except to a widow in Sarepta, a city in Sidon." (Luke 4:25-26, NIV)

lapintoz:
I worshipped with Abioye for 2 years in Kaduna. One of the very challenging periods in my life. His preachings guided to a period of unmatched glory till date.

I'm sorry o, I would rather listen to Abioye preach than Oyedepo anyday!

tojahh:
If to say I get enough funds na for me to key in to this free transfer.

Sign David Abioye. Open a big church for him and enter a contract with him for 5 years with an ROI shared on 60/40. I will fund the building of the church and it's aesthetics.

I am too sure to get my money back in less than 2 years.