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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Cancri: 2:40pm On Nov 17, 2024
Empiree:
My guy, you are full of hypocrisy or you are ignorant. Cuba, Mexico etc are close to US. If they decide to develop nuclear weapons or to join military alliance with enemies of US, US would bomb them. It is that simple. Russia is the region power in Eastern Europe. So Eastern European countries can not join NATO which is American and Western military wing. That was the agreement signed btw Russia and NATO countries decades ago that no countries near Russia would join NATO. If they do they would be crushed.



I always love it whenever people bring this up. I knew you would say this. First all, what right UN had to partition a country already occupied by Arabs and created another country inside Palestine for Europeans?. This first step alone was illegal. Second, let's agree UN is the authority to do that, why would they partition Arab land and give over 50% to foreigners and the rest to indigenous people?. Does this make sense?. And you expect Arabs to fold their arms?. What if UN do the same to your hometown in Nigeria?.

Secondly, for the fact that you admitted UN created this illegal Geno-State, this means Bible has no say here. The nonesense that God gave them the land according to your Bible is fraudulent. The British created Israel via United Nations not the Bible. So you people need to stop bringing Bible into this.


sorry I don't need story. Isræl didn't flight the 6 day war by itself and won against 6 Arab countries. Just like what is happening today. If you think Israel is fighting alone in Gaza and Lebanon, think again.

their problem, not mine. I don't support illegal annexation like Israel is doing in Palestine.


You say?



you are a confused human being. How does this relate to the current Europeans who called themselves Jews in Israel?. They are Europeans. They have no bloodline to the region. Shekel currency officially started in 1980 as a legal tender. David and Solomon that you mentioned were prophets of Islam. European Jews in Israel have nothing to do with them.

Palestinians are the indigenous Israelites not these European occupiers.. Everybody knows this except religious evangelical Christians with dirty mission.
MF Muslim
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Cancri: 2:41pm On Nov 17, 2024
Empiree:
I suggest you read first Israeli PM Ben-Gurion before you say anything. He said the whole of Palestine is what they wanted all along but we should agree to partition for now but when time comes we will take the whole of Palestine (paraphrase). At no point in time Israel respects borders. Israel believes its borders extend to Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, turkey, Iran, Syria. Do what I ask you to do before you post again. Thank you
yes, of course that's there legal land
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 2:49pm On Nov 17, 2024
Lawag3:
So they are no Muslim gay men or Arab gay Men?
but you said Jews doesn't practice homosexual?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:51pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
Even according to your Bible history, weren't there people on the land before them?

If so, what makes biblical Jews the owners?
Who is giving you biblical stories? I am telling you of historical facts and the actions of Emperor Hadrian who renamed ancient Judea to Palestine simply because he wanted to wipe out every trace of Jewish history because they seriously opposed his government (Do you see that in any Bible?)
The biggest mistake you make is to think the ancient Philistines are the current day Palestinians.
That place came to belong to biblical Jews through conquest which was a valid means as at that time. Are you now satisfied? Or you want me to school you like a kindergarten pupil?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 2:52pm On Nov 17, 2024
Empiree:
My guy, you are full of hypocrisy or you are ignorant. Cuba, Mexico etc are close to US. If they decide to develop nuclear weapons or to join military alliance with enemies of US, US would bomb them. It is that simple. Russia is the region power in Eastern Europe. So Eastern European countries can not join NATO which is American and Western military wing. That was the agreement signed btw Russia and NATO countries decades ago that no countries near Russia would join NATO. If they do they would be crushed.



I always love it whenever people bring this up. I knew you would say this. First all, what right UN had to partition a country already occupied by Arabs and created another country inside Palestine for Europeans?. This first step alone was illegal. Second, let's agree UN is the authority to do that, why would they partition Arab land and give over 50% to foreigners and the rest to indigenous people?. Does this make sense?. And you expect Arabs to fold their arms?. What if UN do the same to your hometown in Nigeria?.

Secondly, for the fact that you admitted UN created this illegal Geno-State, this means Bible has no say here. The nonesense that God gave them the land according to your Bible is fraudulent. The British created Israel via United Nations not the Bible. So you people need to stop bringing Bible into this.


sorry I don't need story. Isræl didn't flight the 6 day war by itself and won against 6 Arab countries. Just like what is happening today. If you think Israel is fighting alone in Gaza and Lebanon, think again.

their problem, not mine. I don't support illegal annexation like Israel is doing in Palestine.


You say?



you are a confused human being. How does this relate to the current Europeans who called themselves Jews in Israel?. They are Europeans. They have no bloodline to the region. Shekel currency officially started in 1980 as a legal tender. David and Solomon that you mentioned were prophets of Islam. European Jews in Israel have nothing to do with them.

Palestinians are the indigenous Israelites not these European occupiers.. Everybody knows this except religious evangelical Christians with dirty mission.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 2:54pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
Who is giving you biblical stories? I am telling you of historical facts and the actions of Emperor Hadrian who renamed ancient Judea to Palestine simply because he wanted to wipe out every trace of Jewish history because they seriously opposed his government (Do you see that in any Bible?)
The biggest mistake you make is to think the ancient Philistines are the current day Palestinians.
That place came to belong to biblical Jews through conquest which was a valid means as at that time. Are you now satisfied? Or you want me to school you like a kindergarten pupil?
Please school me but provide sound references as well

Still my question is valid. If there were people on the land before Jews ever set foot on it, what makes them the owner?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 2:55pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
The same way Russia has killed all the able bodied men in Ukraine but still the men's football league goes on. Maybe aliens are the ones playing. grin grin
You're absolutely right. Aliens make up the Ukrainian football league or any league for that matter.


Lots of Russians, Serbians, Turks, Croatians, Czech and players from different nationalities.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:56pm On Nov 17, 2024
WriteerNg:
You're absolutely right. Aliens make up the Ukrainian football league or any league for that matter.


Lots of Russians, Serbians, Turks, Croatians, Czech and players from different nationalities.
Before you jump goal post, I need you to explain the purpose of Argentinian gold in UK
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 2:58pm On Nov 17, 2024
Vic2023:
but you said Jews doesn't practice homosexual?
I ask again shebi Muslims are not allowed to drink?

Because when did I say that.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 2:59pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
Before you jump goal post, I need you to explain how the purpose of Argentinian gold in UK
Do you even understand what collateral means?

And before you quote me again do your research.

The US, UK, Switzerland and France hold the gold reserves of so many African and Latin American countries.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:59pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
Please school me but provide sound references as well

Still my question is valid. If there were people on the land before Jews ever set foot on it, what makes them the owner?
Are you blind? Did you not see conquest?
The conquest is a biblical story, I agree. But you forget that it is the same biblical stories that ever established the first existence of the fundamental human right to religion in the code of Hammurabi.
Isn't it hypocritical to use biblical stories to establish the first ever documented human right and then turn against it when it talks about Jewish conquest?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:01pm On Nov 17, 2024
WriteerNg:
Do you even understand what collateral means?
I was the first to ask that question and rather than you respond, you ignored it. Argentinian gold is in UK simply because Argentina is borrowing money from UK and using that gold as a collateral, contrary to what you want people to believe that Argentina is keeping the gold with UK and the UK will add it up to its reserves.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 3:02pm On Nov 17, 2024
nigeriansamurai:
Exactly why I will not bother to listen to your "one paragraph from Wikipedia" based argument.
I don't talk much here again because to my disappointment I noticed that the only source of information about wars, weapons and history, for a lot of people here comes from "articles" online which are mostly half baked editions of the whole saga (even worst, many don't even read these articles to the end).

"There is strife in the search of knowledge and truth, so the small man accepts the small story".
I didn't even went to Wikipedia for anything, you bright bulbs fear facts. You couldn't even disprove just one. Disprove it if it's false.


I have also downloaded the book from the little I have read so far it doesn't say Jews converted to Islam en mass. It just talking about Islamic rule in the holy land.


But let me finish the book first it's less than 40 pages
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:05pm On Nov 17, 2024
WriteerNg:
Do you even understand what collateral means?

And before you quote me again do your research.

The US, UK, Switzerland and France hold the gold reserves of so many African and Latin American countries.
The question is why are they holding it? It is simple logic that as long as you use something as collateral, once you default, you lose your collateral. Even though there is no evidence of US, UK and others holding the gold of other countries like you said, as long as you do not default on a debt, the gold collateral can never be added to the assets of the country where it is located.
Think for yourself, will Nigeria's external reserves located in a bank based in Washington be counted as America's assets?
Therefore, even if we give you the benefit of the doubt, those gold will never be counted as belonging to USA as long as there is no contractual agreement necessitating the gold being used as collateral.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:06pm On Nov 17, 2024
WriteerNg:
You're absolutely right. Aliens make up the Ukrainian football league or any league for that matter.


Lots of Russians, Serbians, Turks, Croatians, Czech and players from different nationalities.
And yet again, another my brother told me so story grin grin
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Vic2023: 3:08pm On Nov 17, 2024
Lawag3:
Who attacked who first Russia or Ukraine?

Ukraine was attacked first.



Now who attacked who first Israel or hamas?


Israel was attacked First


Understand?


I don't expect you to understand you're blinded by hate
Russian ppl in donbas was first attacked by Ukraine
Likewise the Palestinians

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:08pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
Are you blind? Did you not see conquest?
The conquest is a biblical story, I agree. But you forget that it is the same biblical stories that ever established the first existence of the fundamental human right to religion in the code of Hammurabi.
Isn't it hypocritical to use biblical stories to establish the first ever documented human right and then turn against it when it talks about Jewish conquest?
From stating:

"Who's giving you biblical stories?" to admitting that the whole basis of the claim of ownership, the conquest you mentioned, is a biblical story

You see why I don't take most of you seriously

If you believe biblical Jews conquering the land eons ago entitles them to claims of ownership today, then I guess Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical israel
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 3:12pm On Nov 17, 2024
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WriteerNg: 3:13pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
And yet again, another my brother told me so story grin grin
You need to have your head examined.

There's definitely something wrong somewhere.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:14pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
From stating:

"Who's giving you biblical stories?" to admitting that the whole basis of the claim of ownership, the conquest you mentioned, is a biblical story

You see why I don't take most of you seriously

If you believe biblical Jews conquering the land eons ago entitles them to claims of ownership today, then I guess Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical israel
Hope you know histories have a timeline and things occur one after the other.
We are talking about how the state of Israel initially existed to how Judea came to be known as Palestine. I just wonder how people like you just happen to believe that a group of people who never had a king, never had a capital, never had a currency can legitimately own a land.
Even Africans that were termed uncivilised by the colonial masters had cowry shells as money, we had a seat for the king. Come on, don't be dumb.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:16pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
Hope you know histories have a timeline and things occur one after the other.
We are talking about how the state of Israel initially existed to how Judea came to be known as Palestine. I just wonder how people like you just happen to believe that a group of people who never had a king, never had a capital, never had a currency can legitimately own a land.
Even Africans that were termed uncivilised by the colonial masters had cowry shells as money, we had a seat for the king. Come on, don't be dumb.
What's the relevance of biblical historical stories to issues of territorial dispute under International Law? Palestine and Israel conflict in focus
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:18pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
From stating:

"Who's giving you biblical stories?" to admitting that the whole basis of the claim of ownership, the conquest you mentioned, is a biblical story

You see why I don't take most of you seriously

If you believe biblical Jews conquering the land eons ago entitles them to claims of ownership today, then I guess Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical israel
Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical Israel. Definitely!!
This is the only sensible thing you have said in the last 17 years grin but you failed to realize that the Italians never lay claim to the land, they only established their government there and allowed the Jews to continue calling it theirs. In those times, you live according to the will of your captors.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:23pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
What's the relevance of biblical historical stories to issues of territorial dispute under International Law? Palestine and Israel conflict in focus
It is absolutely useless and no one is using it. You are the ones going back and forth on the legality of Israel to exist as a nation.
United Nations already partitioned the land, recognising the right of both Israel and Palestine to exist. (Two state solution)
It is you people who believe Israel doesn't have a right to exist that bring up stories which necessitate the need to tell you that what you are even claiming never belonged to you. Okay, no biblical stories, can you cough up anything document or history that established that Palestinians were the original owners of ancient Judea?
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:25pm On Nov 17, 2024
Gbadebo19:
Italians have a stronger claim due to the Roman conquest of biblical Israel. Definitely!!
This is the only sensible thing you have said in the last 17 years grin but you failed to realize that the Italians never lay claim to the land, they only established their government there and allowed the Jews to continue calling it theirs. In those times, you live according to the will of your captors.
I never claimed they did, I only deduced using your logic or illogic

Do you know why the Italians didn't lay claim based on historical conquests? Because it's not a legitimate or legal basis under any existing laws in the 21st Century. That absurdity lies with israel and it's supporters

Absurd elements/supporters like you
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 3:28pm On Nov 17, 2024
Empiree:
My guy, you are full of hypocrisy or you are ignorant. Cuba, Mexico etc are close to US. If they decide to develop nuclear weapons or to join military alliance with enemies of US, US would bomb them. It is that simple. Russia is the region power in Eastern Europe. So Eastern European countries can not join NATO which is American and Western military wing. That was the agreement signed btw Russia and NATO countries decades ago that no countries near Russia would join NATO. If they do they would be crushed.



I always love it whenever people bring this up. I knew you would say this. First all, what right UN had to partition a country already occupied by Arabs and created another country inside Palestine for Europeans?. This first step alone was illegal. Second, let's agree UN is the authority to do that, why would they partition Arab land and give over 50% to foreigners and the rest to indigenous people?. Does this make sense?. And you expect Arabs to fold their arms?. What if UN do the same to your hometown in Nigeria?.

Secondly, for the fact that you admitted UN created this illegal Geno-State, this means Bible has no say here. The nonesense that God gave them the land according to your Bible is fraudulent. The British created Israel via United Nations not the Bible. So you people need to stop bringing Bible into this.


sorry I don't need story. Isræl didn't flight the 6 day war by itself and won against 6 Arab countries. Just like what is happening today. If you think Israel is fighting alone in Gaza and Lebanon, think again.

their problem, not mine. I don't support illegal annexation like Israel is doing in Palestine.


You say?



you are a confused human being. How does this relate to the current Europeans who called themselves Jews in Israel?. They are Europeans. They have no bloodline to the region. Shekel currency officially started in 1980 as a legal tender. David and Solomon that you mentioned were prophets of Islam. European Jews in Israel have nothing to do with them.

Palestinians are the indigenous Israelites not these European occupiers.. Everybody knows this except religious evangelical Christians with dirty mission.
Because The USA will bomb neighbours who join alliance with enemies doest make it right. It's still wrong.

No nation should be able to tell another sovereign nation what it can and should not do what organisations it can and can not join. You people call the US evil for trying to control other countries and now when the Russians do it it's allowed isn't that double standards.


You forget Arabs and Jews were leaving in the land abi nor be Una say before the Europeans came the Jews and Arabs lived in peace?

Jew are the indigenous people. Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Jews are from Judea. Judea is Palestine

The UN did not create a country for Europeans. Only 40 percent of Jews in Israel are Jews from Europe the others are Jews from the middle East and North Africa chased by the Arabs during the 1945 Wars. European Jews have Jewish ancestry and DNA it has been proven so many times but you guys will never agree.


And yes Israel fought by itself against the Arabs but that isn't important in this conversation.


David and Solomon are names if Jewish origins not Arab names. Both were Jewish kings ruled from Jerusalem.


The shekel is over 2500 years old use Google sister it's an ancient Israelites currency.


Even the Palestinians will stone you for suggesting that they are related to Jews and the fact that they used to be Jews.


Palestinians are Arabs .



Either you research or You can die in your ignorance.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 3:30pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
I never claimed they did, I only deduced using your logic or illogic

Do you know why the Italians didn't lay claim based on historical conquests? Because it's not a legitimate or legal basis under any existing laws in the 21st Century. That absurdity lies with israel and it's supporters

Absurd elements/supporters like you
You are very funny!!!
By the way, I never said you did.
It is actually absurd for you to state that the reason why Italians never lay claim was because it is not legitimate in the 21st century. How can you use a conquest of over a thousand years ago and use a 21st century legality to justify reasons.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 3:31pm On Nov 17, 2024
Vic2023:
Russian ppl in donbas was first attacked by Ukraine
Likewise the Palestinians
Donbas is part of Ukraine. It's like saying because Benin republic treats it's Yoruba harshly Nigeria should invade Benin.


Your Hamas fools recorded the whole thing so shut up.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Lawag3: 3:32pm On Nov 17, 2024
IMEI:
Any history you post here, include links to the source material

That shouldn't be hard
You debunk it if it's false.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI:
Gbadebo19:
It is absolutely useless and no one is using it. You are the ones going back and forth on the legality of Israel to exist as a nation.
United Nations already partitioned the land, recognising the right of both Israel and Palestine to exist. (Two state solution)
It is you people who believe Israel doesn't have a right to exist that bring up stories which necessitate the need to tell you that what you are even claiming never belonged to you. Okay, no biblical stories, can you cough up anything document or history that established that Palestinians were the original owners of ancient Judea?
You're literally the one who denied Palestinians the land because according to you they had no king and no history on the land. But now you're flipping it on me, claiming I'm denying israel's right to exist

You used israel's purported ancient history to attribute ownership to them, while denying same for Palestinians on account of a purported lack of history

As for me, my arguments have always been grounded in legal facts. You trying to spin things again is just plain old tomfoolery from you

The fact remains, take away the biblical and religious elements, most of you can't properly make a case for israel and even the religiously driven arguments require shutting off objective reasoning and self-reflection
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by IMEI: 3:37pm On Nov 17, 2024
Lawag3:
You debunk it if it's false.
Debunk what has no sound basis?
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