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IMEI:
I never claimed they did, I only deduced using your logic or illogic

Do you know why the Italians didn't lay claim based on historical conquests? Because it's not a legitimate or legal basis under any existing laws in the 21st Century. That absurdity lies with israel and it's supporters

Absurd elements/supporters like you

Guy, it seems that you think the reason why Israel is fighting Palestinians today is because of biblical history of Gaza and the likes belonging to them. Don't get confused, we all know this is not true. By the partition of 1948, the borders of Israel was demarcated and the only reason why there is no peace in that region is because of the relentless attacks from Arab nations and Palestinians which forces Israel to push them backwards. Israel occupying those Gaza and Golan heights etc is a result of them loosing the war they started and that is nobody's fault.
Even till today, everyone knows that loosing war comes with loosing land especially if you share borders. If I am wrong, why is Egypt not claiming Gaza, what about Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and the likes. Why is it some random people (Palestinians) claiming lands that belongs to other sovereign nations.

Gbadebo19:
You are very funny!!!
By the way, I never said you did.
It is actually absurd for you to state that the reason why Italians never lay claim was because it is not legitimate in the 21st century. How can you use a conquest of over a thousand years ago and use a 21st century legality to justify reasons.

Hasn't that been what you've been arguing all this while?

Gbadebo19:
Guy, it seems that you think the reason why Israel is fighting Palestinians today is because of biblical history of Gaza and the likes belonging to them. Don't get confused, we all know this is not true. By the partition of 1948, the borders of Israel was demarcated and the only reason why there is no peace in that region is because of the relentless attacks from Arab nations and Palestinians which forces Israel to push them backwards. Israel occupying those Gaza and Golan heights etc is a result of them loosing the war they started and that is nobody's fault.
Even till today, everyone knows that loosing war comes with loosing land especially if you share borders. If I am wrong, why is Egypt not claiming Gaza, what about Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and the likes. Why is it some random people (Palestinians) claiming lands that belongs to other sovereign nations.

Why does Israel continuously seize Palestinian land and build settlements? Why does Israel continue to annex Palestinian territory? Are those the result of wars?

IMEI:
You're literally the one who denied Palestinians the land because according to you they had no king and no history on the land. But now you're flipping it on me, claiming I'm denying israel's right to exist

You used israel's purported ancient history to attribute ownership to them, while denying same for Palestinians on account of a purported lack of history

As for me, my arguments have always been grounded in legal facts. You trying to spin things again is just plain old tomfoolery from you

The fact remains take away the biblical and religious elements, most of you can't properly make a case for Israel and even the religious driven arguments require shutting off objective reasoning and self-reflection

Let us give you the benefit of the doubt.
1. Palestine had no history
2. Israel had no claim
3. In 1948, justice was done by demarcating the land between two opposing elements. Rather than abide, Palestine claims they own the land (without proof) and keeps attacking Israel. Israel responds and Palestine is crying. Where does that leaves us?

Or don't tell me your view is that Israel shouldn't exist. If so, can you provide any historical fact or documented evidence that can be used to render the 1948 demarcation as illegal? If you can do this, I swear, I will respect you forever.

IMEI:
Why does Israel continuously seize Palestinian land and build settlements? Why does Israel continue to annex Palestinian territory? Are those the result of wars?

My friend, as an objective learned colleague. If a thief lives next door to you and continually burgles your home, as a reasonable human being, what would you do even after several communal intervention, the thief never stops.

IMEI:
Hasn't that been what you've been arguing all this while?

I am getting tired of you now.
You know something? Let's start from 1948 or if you have any historical fact or documented evidence that we can use to render the UN creation of Israel as illegal. Cest finis

Gbadebo19:
Let us give you the benefit of the doubt.
1. Palestine had no history
2. Israel had no claim
3. In 1948, justice was done by demarcating the land between two opposing elements. Rather than abide, Palestine claims they own the land (without proof) and keeps attacking Israel. Israel responds and Palestine is crying. Where does that leaves us?

Or don't tell me your view is that Israel shouldn't exist. If so, can you provide any historical fact or documented evidence that can be used to render the 1948 demarcation as illegal? If you can do this, I swear, I will respect you forever.

You're going to give who the benefit of doubt? Lol

1. I never said Palestine had no history
2. Israel had a claim, but was it credible? That's the issue in question
3. When the British occupied Palestine, Palestinians were present on the land, how you claimed there's no proof of that is bewildering to say the least
4. How do you define as justice giving 55% of land to 30% of the population at the time? Palestinians made up 70% of the population and were given 45% of a land they were living on for centuries, while the majority was given to foreign immigrants who were 30% of the population
5. Whether israel should exist or not isn't my concern. What's my concern is, is that a Palestinian State should exist based on the Internationally recognized borders of 1967

Gbadebo19:
My friend, as an objective learned colleague. If a thief lives next door to you and continually burgles your home, as a reasonable human being, what would you do even after several communal intervention, the thief never stops.

Is this even an answer?

How does the above you posted justify settlement building?

This isn't something hypothetical, these are real life happenings, parables don't apply here

IMEI:
You're going to give who the benefit of doubt? Lol

1. I never said Palestine had no history
2. Israel had a claim, but was it credible? That's the issue in question
3. When the British occupied Palestine, Palestinians were present on the land, how you claimed there's no proof of that is bewildering to say the least
4. How do you define as justice giving 55% of land given to 30% of the population at the time? Palestinians made up 70% of the population and were given 45% of a land they were living on for centuries, while the majority was given to foreign immigrants who were 30% of the population
5. Whether israel should exist or not isn't my concern. What's my concern is, is that a Palestinian State should exist based on the Internationally recognized borders of 1967

Don't let's argue further. Can we just agree that Israelites had a longer history on the land more than the Palestinians? 1000 years BC to the 7th century is quite long. Do you agree?

Gbadebo19:
I am getting tired of you now.
You know something? Let's start from 1948 or if you have any historical fact or documented evidence that we can use to render the UN creation of Israel as illegal. Cest finis

You're seemingly confused

As far as I know, no challenge to the bolded has been put up, so what's the point of mentioning it?

IMEI:
You're going to give who the benefit of doubt? Lol

1. I never said Palestine had no history
2. Israel had a claim, but was it credible? That's the issue in question
3. When the British occupied Palestine, Palestinians were present on the land, how you claimed there's no proof of that is bewildering to say the least
4. How do you define as justice giving 55% of land given to 30% of the population at the time? Palestinians made up 70% of the population and were given 45% of a land they were living on for centuries, while the majority was given to foreign immigrants who were 30% of the population
5. Whether israel should exist or not isn't my concern. What's my concern is, is that a Palestinian State should exist based on the Internationally recognized borders of 1967

Can you please avail me with the Internationally recognised borders of 1967

Gbadebo19:
Don't let's argue further. Can we just agree that Israelites had a longer history on the land more than the Palestinians? 1000 years BC to the 7th century is quite long. Do you agree?

DNA evidence says otherwise, so no, we can't agree

But if you want to stop it here, no problem

Empiree:
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@empiree, please check your email.

IMEI:
You're going to give who the benefit of doubt? Lol

1. I never said Palestine had no history
2. Israel had a claim, but was it credible? That's the issue in question
3. When the British occupied Palestine, Palestinians were present on the land, how you claimed there's no proof of that is bewildering to say the least
4. How do you define as justice giving 55% of land given to 30% of the population at the time? Palestinians made up 70% of the population and were given 45% of a land they were living on for centuries, while the majority was given to foreign immigrants who were 30% of the population
5. Whether israel should exist or not isn't my concern. What's my concern is, is that a Palestinian State should exist based on the Internationally recognized borders of 1967

Let me respond to your number 4. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is no verifiable history to support your position, you can never win. Your populatuon doesn't matter. Take for instance, Ilorin Nigeria has an 80% population of Yorubas. Now the question is:
If Nigeria were to break up today, Who owns Ilorin? Yoruba or Fulani? Let me see your view

Gbadebo19:
Can you please avail me with the Internationally recognised borders of 1967

The green on the right is the West Bank, which 80% of is covered in scattered Israeli settlements

Gbadebo19:
Let me respond to your number 4. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is no verifiable history to support your position, you can never win. Your populatuon doesn't matter. Take for instance, Ilorin Nigeria has an 80% population of Yorubas. Now the question is:
If Nigeria were to break up today, Who owns Ilorin? Yoruba or Fulani? Let me see your view

Why should this be an issue? Ilorin people will decide for themselves

IMEI:
Why should this be an issue? Ilorin people will decide for themselves

Don't be Foolish my friend, except you want to start a war that will engulf the whole of Nigeria, Ilorin will go to the Fulanis or worse still, it will be broken up and then we will have another Israel and Palestine.

IMEI:
Why should this be an issue? Ilorin people will decide for themselves

Sorry to say. I swear, you are mad. As in, you are mad with a capital M A D. You don't understand human beings at all. Am done with you.

Gbadebo19:
Let me respond to your number 4. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is no verifiable history to support your position, you can never win. Your populatuon doesn't matter. Take for instance, Ilorin Nigeria has an 80% population of Yorubas. Now the question is:
If Nigeria were to break up today, Who owns Ilorin? Yoruba or Fulani? Let me see your view

More like so long as you're unwilling to concede

Either way, these are factual events and it's not about winning or losing, but facts and fiction

Gbadebo19:
Sorry to say. I swear, you are mad. You don't understand human beings at all. Am done with you.

Anonymity is good...you have no idea who you're talking to

IMEI:
Anonymity is good...you have no idea who you're talking to

There is nothing anonymous about me. My name and picture had been posted here several times. There are people who know me physically and can describe me to you. So, am not anonymous.

Gbadebo19:
Don't hide guy. There is nothing anonymous about me. My name and picture had been posted here several times. There are people who know me physically and can describe me to you. So, am not anonymous.

Gbadebo it's not deep, enjoy your day

IMEI:
Gbadebo it's not deep, enjoy your day

Of course I know. You really cracked my ribs by saying Ilorin people will decide for themselves

Lawag3:
Donbas is part of Ukraine. It's like saying because Benin republic treats it's Yoruba harshly Nigeria should invade Benin.


Your Hamas fools recorded the whole thing so shut up.

Why shouldn't we? May just not be with the Nigerian army.

If they are foolish enough to start burning Yorubas alive like they did in Odessa.

Libya - Justified
Iraq - Justified
Russia defends against the pogrom of its people = Putin is a Despot

IMEI:
Why should this be an issue? Ilorin people will decide for themselves

I tire o.

No one will fight over the descendants of traitors.

IMEI:
Debunk what has no sound basis?

What's the point of debunking?


You can't debunk genuine facts.

You debunk what doest have a sound base as you said.

Mille:
Why shouldn't we? May just not be with the Nigerian army.

If they are foolish enough to start burning Yorubas alive like they did in Odessa.

Libya - Justified
Iraq - Justified
Russia defends against the pogrom of its people = Putin is a Despot

The people who carried out that attack was arrested by the Ukrainian government beside it happen in 2014. Putin instead took Crimea.

Remember you justify Russia annexing lands.

Lawag3:
Because The USA will bomb neighbours who join alliance with enemies doest make it right. It's still wrong.

Then keep it like that. They not gonna change. They have been doing it for decades. Isræl picked the attitude from them. Why is Israel bombing Syria?. It is for the same reason. Why is Israel killing Iranian scientists?. It is for the same reason. So please stop giving Geno-State excuses. Israel wants the whole region because according to them, Bible says the whole region belongs to them. So why is Israel bombing Syria?. Syria didn't attack it so if you don't want to talk about this then don't talk about Russia.

Israel believes that in order to secure it's future, its neighbors must not have weapons or pose a threat to it or ally with one another or Israel's enemies for it's own security. Isn't that selfish?.

Stop supporting genocide in Gaza
Stop supporting killing babies
Stop supporting destruction of civilian infrastructure
Stop supporting killing journalists
Stop supporting Jewish supremacy

Support equal right across the board.