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owukpa:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/19/tithe-reno-omokri-under-fire-over-remarks-on-pastor-becky-enenche/

Reno.....

Under fire....

You better dont waste your precious gas

Na flamethrower Reno go carry come

After e fact check your life finish.....nobody go beg una to off the fire

owukpa:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/19/tithe-reno-omokri-under-fire-over-remarks-on-pastor-becky-enenche/

It is oddly ironic.

If they call Reno's action inflammatory, I wonder what they will call it when the World Governments start their own attack.

kwasoly:
We are very quick to tag tithe as old testament and quick to still declare most of those old testament scriptures.
Matt 5:17 Jesus said I have not come to abolish the law and the prophet but to fulfil it, meanwhile whatever is written in the old testament is still valid in the scripture.

Does that include, Slavery, giving your daughter away to people who work for you for X years etc.

I personally have no problem with Tithes but only to be given to people who are Levites. Not these mordern day charlatans masquerading as what they are not.

Tochi360:
And how does that affect You nitori Olorun

Well anyone who believes things like You will remain poor is not ready Yet.

As long as nobody force anybody to pay, no issue there, Btw no be everybody dey pay the Tithe after all.
Just forget about the Tithe, Tithe no be the problem here, na those ones wey dey make the hustle Tight for the Country we suppose dey bothered about.

They are still part of our problems. Obtaining by threat is tantamount to fraud which is the same thing those who make tight the hustle do.

Donaldoni:
No part of scripture is for a specific group of people. It is for all of us. That's the summary of 2 Timothy 3:16.

So this particular verse below is for you going by your logic

Gen 49:4
Uncontrolled as the waters, you will no longer excel

kwasoly:
We are very quick to tag tithe as old testament and quick to still declare most of those old testament scriptures.
Matt 5:17 Jesus said I have not come to abolish the law and the prophet but to fulfil it, meanwhile whatever is written in the old testament is still valid in the scripture.

Do you understand what he meant by fulfilling the law?

To accomplish what the law couldn't do. E.g

Shedding animal blood for atonement of sin isn't enough to wash away sin

Rom 8:3

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

lexy2014:
does your question answer the questions I asked you?

did I ask you about stopping?

is Matthew 23:23 an instruction to pay tithe?

Are you mad

femi4:
So this particular verse below is for you going by your logic

Gen 49:4
Uncontrolled as the waters, you will no longer excel

Did you sleep with your father's wife/concubine

I expect you to be smarter than this

Donaldoni:
Did you sleep with your father's wife/concubine

I expect you to be smarter than this

I thought you said its for everyone? Why are you changing the goal post now

Unless you are Pharisees, you have no business with Mt 23:23. Jesus wasn't talking to you either Qed!

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I have deeply been embarrassed by the myriads of nonsense spewed by so called Christain leaders recently to justify the scam called tithes. It's obvious to the blind that we Christians are gullible and our religion has been commercialized by these pulpit bandits parading as religious leaders. I wish the federal government can rescue the remaining sane Christians by placing a ban on Christianity till further notice.

Sometimes I envy those Muslims because their religion is not money focused and not controversial like we Christians.

Go and sit down , you liar

femi4:
I thought you said its for everyone? Why are you changing the goal post now

Unless you are Pharisees, you have no business with Mt 23:23. Jesus wasn't talking to you either Qed!

Are you this dull

In Genesis 49:4, Jacob was pronouncing judgement his son that defiled his bed. And it could still apply to whoever does so today.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus was establishing doctrine and giving them priority. The Pharisees are no more. But the principles still apply to us today

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Donaldoni:
Are you this dull

In Genesis 49:4, Jacob was pronouncing judgement his son that defiled his bed. And it could still apply to whoever does so today.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus was establishing doctrine and giving them priority. The Pharisees are no more. But the principles still apply to us today

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Stop struggling to be intelligent. We all know you ain't..innit?

There are 7 woes dedicated to them from verse 13


13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’

17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’

19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.

21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.

22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.

28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

femi4:
Stop struggling to be intelligent. We all know you ain't..innit?

There are 7 woes dedicated to them from verse 13


13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’

17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’

19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.

21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.

22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.

28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

Yet they still apply today

So what's your point?

Donaldoni:
Yet they still apply today

So what's your point?

So, you ve done the below...how many tombs have you built


29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

femi4:
So, you ve done the below...how many tombs have you built


29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

Did Jesus instruct us to do the bolded

You dull gan o

Donaldoni:
Did Jesus instruct us to do the bolded

You dull gan o

Are you blind to verse 32? you also said that all scripture is for everyone, why are you always shifting the goal post

femi4:
Are you blind to verse 32? you also said that all scripture is for everyone, why are you always shifting the goal post

Are you a crack head

How is verse 32 an instruction

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Donaldoni:
Are you a crack head

How is verse 32 an instruction

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So what is verse 32? Command?

femi4:
So what is verse 32? Command?

Still part of the admonition/reproof.

Matthew 23:31-33
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

femi4:
Do you understand what he meant by fulfilling the law?

To accomplish what the law couldn't do. E.g

Shedding animal blood for atonement of sin isn't enough to wash away sin

Rom 8:3

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

He was referring to the old testament incase you don't know, try and read your bible back to back then come for DBS.

aswani:
Does that include, Slavery, giving your daughter away to people who work for you for X years etc.

I personally have no problem with Tithes but only to be given to people who are Levites. Not these mordern day charlatans masquerading as what they are not.

If you don't have any problem with tithe, you would not have put up this write-up here.
I do my giving and tithing by revelation and I don't support sweet talking people to giving to the Lord they claim to love.

kwasoly:
If you don't have any problem with tithe, you would not have put up this write-up here.
I do my giving and tithing by revelation and I don't support sweet talking people to giving to the Lord they claim to love.

I was responding to your point about the old testament, the stuff I talked about is there as well as giving of tithes.

I have zero issues giving my tithes to actual Levites, not the charlatans we have all over black Africa.

By the way, tithes are not supposed to be "paid", they are to be "given". A salient difference between the two things exists that fake Pastors, Daddy GO's etc would not want you to understand.

There is nothing monetary about tithes in the bible.

owukpa:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/19/tithe-reno-omokri-under-fire-over-remarks-on-pastor-becky-enenche/

Omokri is a very big idiot!
But sorry, the Idiot is correct about this.
Her statement is Yahoo... Pentecostal business empire is driven by tithe. Omokri is pinching a very sensitive nerve. They will come after him.

kwasoly:
He was referring to the old testament incase you don't know, try and read your bible back to back then come for DBS.

Is it not in the old testament they kill animal and shed its blood. Your illiteracy is on the high. Read to understand, don't read to argue. All the Laws in the old testament weren't fulfil by the previous method, hence Jesus had to come to fulfil them

So, forgiveness of sin: His blood replaced animal blood

Man- priest - God relationship replaced with Man - God relationship

Donaldoni:
Are you mad

Donaldoni:
Are you mad

Donaldoni:
I asked a question

does your question answer the questions I asked you?

did I ask you about stopping?

is Matthew 23:23 an instruction to pay tithe?

lexy2014:
does your question answer the questions I asked you?

did I ask you about stopping?

is Matthew 23:23 an instruction to pay tithe?

Are you mad?

If an Antichrist brings hefty monetary tithes to church, most Nigerian pastors are desperately eager to collect it and pray for that same antichrist.

That already tells you a lot.

These pastors are worshippers of mammon fuelled by their greed.

Donaldoni:
Are you mad?

according to you

Donaldoni:
Are you mad

Donaldoni:
Are you mad

Donaldoni:
I asked a question

does your question answer the questions I asked you?

did I ask you about stopping?

is Matthew 23:23 an instruction to pay tithe?

lexy2014:
according to you







does your question answer the questions I asked you?

did I ask you about stopping?

is Matthew 23:23 an instruction to pay tithe?

Are you mad

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I have deeply been embarrassed by the myriads of nonsense spewed by so called Christain leaders recently to justify the scam called tithes. It's obvious to the blind that we Christians are gullible and our religion has been commercialized by these pulpit bandits parading as religious leaders. I wish the federal government can rescue the remaining sane Christians by placing a ban on Christianity till further notice.

Sometimes I envy those Muslims because their religion is not money focused and not controversial like we Christians.

Islam is not controversial with Boko Haram, ISWAP and Lukarawas. At least the pastors are scamming people of their money not snuffing life out of them.
Just go and ask girls in Afghanistan and Iran what they think of Islam

Michael547:
Point:
3)Does Malachi 3 instructs Christians or the isrealites to pay tithe?
4)Did Jesus say His Followers must pay tithe? Kindly quote a verse?
5)Where does Hebrews say that Jesus is collecting tithes of Christians in Heaven and how do Christians give tithe to Jesus in heaven?
6)kindly provide a verse.

I hope cheeryfeet responded because I haven't seen it yet I will keep reading and looking for the response

Donaldoni:
There were no christians when Jesus was around. His Word is enough to direct us.

but there were followers of Jesus right?