₦airaland Forum

Sheuns:
The 1999 constitution gave the National Assembly power to oversee its runnings. You expect the president to be the one to issue salaries to an arm of government that’s supposed to be independent? Do you even know that there are agencies saddles with fixing salaries of elected officials?

Where in the constitution does the president have power to impeach governors? Mention the governors Obj impeached. Also mention the kidnapped governor. Seems you know so much.

Also mention where and when Obj admitted or said that they spent $16bn on power during his administration.

Obj is 100X better than Tinubu, Bihari and the APC. There’s nothing you or anyone can tell me otherwise to prove that his administration was worse than these.

Is South west the only region in Nigeria that he has to do projects on? Do you know that Obj could have allowed telcos to have their hqs in Abuja but didn’t interfere? They’re all in Lagos because he allowed them to decide. Lagos enjoys this position till date.

Well since you were born last night....Google about ladoja governor of oyo state impeachment

Google about Fayose first time as Governor impeachment

Google about Ngige kidnap in anambra.

Is either you were a toddler or born after 2007.


Am telling you a man didn't build any major road in the whole of South nigeria for good 8yrs you telling is only south west is in Nigeria.


He allowed lagos to enjoy is position?? The Lagos he fought the Governor and with held LG allocation??

It is a waste of time educating someone like you cos instead of learning you just be arguing blindly about something you no knowledge about.

tete7000:
There is never a better evil, all evil eventually slowly kill. Obasanjo laid the foundation of corrupt electoral system we have now. If he has done something serious about preserving our electoral sanctity, Tinubu might nit have got close to power. His actions indirectly remotely brought Tinubu to power.

What I don't understand about you folks blaming Obasanjo for electoral system is this. Fine elections were majorly a sham under him and he has to take the flack for that. But Yaradua started the process of electoral reforms. Jonathan sustained it. In fact, that is what led to APC having a chance at winning in 2015. But the moment APC took over, they took us back to 2007 and even made it worse by corrupting the judiciary.
So why are we still blaming Obasanjo for electoral system that Yaradua and Jonathan worked to improve and APC have made worse?

olisaEze:
Nigeria did not start in 1999 and corruption is the excuse every military coup plotter in dis country has used. So clearly, corruption has been in Nigeria since before u were born. Now even if OBJ was corrupt, does it mean the present and the previous also must follow suit 14 yrs later? With OBJ’s "corruption" companies were pouring in with better job offers for Nigerian youths and our GDP soared. But with those u want to absolve of guilt, even the old companies have all fled & the economy has tanked. Now who’s dodging the truth between the both of us??

Company were pouring in and boys in Niger delta were kidnapping recklessly and bombing pipes line almost everyday??


Lol.


Obj of all people Nawa ooo

Kukutente23:
What I don't understand about you folks blaming Obasanjo for electoral system is this. Fine elections were majorly a sham under him and he has to take the flack for that. But Yaradua started the process of electoral reforms. Jonathan sustained it. In fact, that is what led to APC having a chance at winning in 2015. But the moment APC took over, they took us back to 2007 and even made it worse by corrupting the judiciary.
So why are we still blaming Obasanjo for electoral system that Yaradua and Jonathan worked to improve and APC have made worse?

We will us blame him because he always speak like a saint.

He has no moral right to condemn anyone cos he was also corrupt.

This man sold almost all govt properties to his friends all in the name of privatization for christ sake.

UltraSolid:
You are not knowledgeable, exposed or capable of critical thinking. That is why your sort think OBJ's 'window dressing' means he tried and is "the best" . Have you ever lived in or visited nations where 90% of things work as they should whereas Nigeria is still struggling to get our nation working 2% optimally even?

Without major and fundamental reforms, which OBJ avoided, Nigeria is not going anywhere. Just sideways and backwards motion Bro. No forward trust. You would not know though as your exposure no pass Ajegunle meaning your sort will always view Nigeria under OBJ a paradise.

What major and fundamental reform is Tinubu doing now? Fuel subsidy and naira devaluation abi? You lack commonsense
Who privatised telecoms in Nigeria? Who privatised power? Who recapitalised our banks? Who made our entertainment industry vibrant? Who brought EFCC and ICPC? Who brought IPPIS? Who carried out pension reforms? NHIS nko? Under who did it start?
You deserve a knock on the head for being so daft to say OBJ did not carry out any reform

I completely agree.

Bobodee09:
He left leaving petrol more expensive

He left leaving us with no steady power supply

He left selling almost all govt property to his friends.

He left with nitel dead

He left us with do or die election

He left us with national assembly members fixing there pay instead of been civil servant.

He left us with no major road fixed or constructed in 8yrs.

He left without fixing the refinery for 8yrs.

He left us with militant blowing up pipe line in south south.


Just becos he cleared debt and Nigeria economic better after long years of military he is the best.....what a big joke.

You be mugu
Is fuel now cheaper 16 years after he left?
Do you now have steady power supply
The ones that are not sold like NNPC, how are they faring. Has there been any president who did not sell govt properties to his friend after him?
Mugu, Nitel dead and four telcos taking over
And are elections now better since he left?
Have they stopped fixing salaries since he left? They are even padding budgets now. He got a senate president removed for corruption. Today you have one of the most corrupt Nigerians presiding over the senate
And how many roads have been fixed since he left?
Are the refineries working now?
And militants are no longer stealing crude in Niger Delta abi
The only good things you ascribe to him which are debt and economy, those that took over, have they made it better or worse as well? You see that you lack common sense

Bobodee09:
We will us blame him because he always speak like a saint.

He has no moral right to condemn anyone cos he was also corrupt.

This man sold almost all govt properties to his friends all in the name of privatization for christ sake.

Where did he speak like a saint? He is calling attention to the rot in the system makes him speak like a saint? Just say you hate him because he is not a bigot.
Compared to Tinubu, Obasanjo is a saint when it comes to corruption. The proof is everywhere

SmartyPants:
Sir, was he corrupt or not? Did he help lay the foundation for corruption or not? If yes, is Akande wrong?

You're just beating about the bush aimlessly when the truth is staring you in the face.

Can you explain to me in cogent terms how Obasanjo that started EFCC and ICPC, got Senate President, Ministers, IGP, Governors sacked for corruption laid the foundation of corruption in Nigeria today

olisaEze:
Someone met humungous debts on assuming office. But he should accept that he’s part of the problem from the new loans spent on luxuries for the new monarchy, 14yrs after he left excess cash & no debts behind. It’s amazing how dumb some people are prepared to sound, not for a seat at the table but for droppings & leftovers.

Is debt the only issue in discourse? Was he not the person that rigged Yaradua/Jonathan regime into power that started again the process of ballooning the debt even when oil prices were high?

The speaker is saying that he should stop speaking as if he didn't contribute to the problem and that he's a saint. This will earn him the right to suggest and condemn when the suggestions are not taken.

When he came in 1999 the north mocked him that they made him president and that he had no electoral base. This was true. In 2003 he went on overdrive to win the west through rigging. He did everything to win Lagos but Tinubu resisted him. That was his hatred for Tinubu. What he did in 2003 was the foundation for the fraudulent election that we have till now. He continued it in 2007. How can he come now to claim saint and pontificate?

olisaEze:
"part of the corrupt ones", lol, Mr Admirer who are the incorruptible ones to start with?? Mr Proclaimant, OBJ is ur best president but u were just happily supporting those who wud use him to deflect from their failures. Goan change that ur moniker, it’s impersonation if ure really that gullible.

So you are finally getting on the same page as Akande! Good to see that your brain may not not be totally dilapidated yet

Kukutente23:
Can you explain to me in cogent terms how Obasanjo that started EFCC and ICPC, got Senate President, Ministers, IGP, Governors sacked for corruption laid the foundation of corruption in Nigeria today

Akande has done that for you. Read the write up

Kukutente23:
You be mugu
Is fuel now cheaper 16 years after he left?
Do you now have steady power supply
The ones that are not sold like NNPC, how are they faring. Has there been any president who did not sell govt properties to his friend after him?
Mugu, Nitel dead and four telcos taking over
And are elections now better since he left?
Have they stopped fixing salaries since he left? They are even padding budgets now. He got a senate president removed for corruption. Today you have one of the most corrupt Nigerians presiding over the senate
And how many roads have been fixed since he left?
Are the refineries working now?
And militants are no longer stealing crude in Niger Delta abi
The only good things you ascribe to him which are debt and economy, those that took over, have they made it better or worse as well? You see that you lack common sense

Well is nice to know you are one of teenager buffoon here who can't converse without insults.

NL minions sha....lol

Moniker taking note of.

Bobodee09:
Company were pouring in and boys in Niger delta were kidnapping recklessly and bombing pipes line almost everyday??


Lol.


Obj of all people Nawa ooo

Who were the Niger Delta militants kidnapping and why? I don’t know how old u are, but before 1999 what were the job options for graduates, compared to after and compared to now?? Who was talking multiple streams of income to survive under OBJ? Do u even realize that the worst job in Nigeria before OBJ came was that of the teachers? How dare u compare this bunch of excuse/blame givers to the leadership OBJ brought, not just to Nigeria but to the African Union. Overturning coups in other African nations without declaring war is something no other president of Nigeria has ever done but Obasanjo. The fact that u can even type dis against him online is because of him. Don’t ever forget that!

Vision101:
Is debt the only issue in discourse? Was he not the person that rigged Yaradua/Jonathan regime into power that started again the process of ballooning the debt even when oil prices were high?

The speaker is saying that he should stop speaking as if he didn't contribute to the problem and that he's a saint. This will earn him the right to suggest and condemn when the suggestions are not taken.

When he came in 1999 the north mocked him that they made him president and that he had no electoral base. This was true. In 2003 he went on overdrive to win the west through rigging. He did everything to win Lagos but Tinubu resisted him. That was his hatred for Tinubu. What he did in 2003 was the foundation for the fraudulent election that we have till now. He continued it in 2007. How can he come now to claim saint and pontificate?

The option to Yar’dua in that election don rule eight years comot. With hindsight wisdom now, if u had the power would u too have alllowed Buhari to rule seeing how far he has regressed dis nation?? If u can answer that honestly, then we’re gud.

SmartyPants:
Akande has done that for you. Read the write up

He only mentioned two. The Presidential Library and bribing of lawmakers for second term. Can you explain how those two are the foundation for corruption in Nigeria. From what I know, OBJ has come out serially to deny sending cash to lawmakers for second term and no one has come out to say he sent them. DSP Mantu who is now late who was fingered as the man who brought the cash to NASS never sent OBJ sent him the job till he died.
As for the Presidential Library, I agree since two or three businessmen (not govs) have come out to say OBJ armtwisted them into donating for his Presidential Library. That is a corrupt thing to do. I totally accept. But explain to me how that is the foundation for corruption in Nigeria. Like Nigeria was a corruption free country before OBJ armtwisted the businessmen?

Bobodee09:
Well is nice to know you are one of teenager buffoon here who can't converse without insults.

NL minions sha....lol

Moniker taking note of.

Why won't I insult you. Why do you guys enjoy telling lies to defend politicians? You are claiming that OBJ refused to do so many things and is thus at fault for Nigeria's current state. How does that make sense to you? This is 14years after he left office of 8years. 14 years!! You sef reason am now? All the good he did has been spoilt by those after him but they railroad simpletons like you to excuse those who made things worse and insult someone who made at least modest progress. How does that make sense to you? Why didn't they build on his progress and then they can have mouth to talk

Kukutente23:
He only mentioned two. The Presidential Library and bribing of lawmakers for second term. Can you explain how those two are the foundation for corruption in Nigeria. From what I know, OBJ has come out serially to deny sending cash to lawmakers for second term and no one has come out to say he sent them. DSP Mantu who is now late who was fingered as the man who brought the cash to NASS never sent OBJ sent him the job till he died.
As for the Presidential Library, I agree since two or three businessmen (not govs) have come out to say OBJ armtwisted them into donating for his Presidential Library. That is a corrupt thing to do. I totally accept. But explain to me how that is the foundation for corruption in Nigeria. Like Nigeria was a corruption free country before OBJ armtwisted the businessmen?

This is laughable. Where you expecting him to admit to his corruption?

Can you explain how Obasanjo went from a soldier of modest income, to prison, and then to his massive Ota farm?

Can you explain the Haliburton scandal?

Can you explain to us how 16billi9n usd disappeared in the name of power sector reforms?

You know all these, perhaps you want to just test and see if others are aware. Not so?

Having said that, it is pertinent to note that the issue is not about the scale of his corruption, rather is is about what he did or did not do as the pioneering president of the modern Nigeria.

He could have created systems that would have been perfected in his 8 years and these systems would have been hard to corrupt if properly established. Instead he enriched himself, sought a third term to show his disregard for democratic principles, and virtually wrote the handbook on how to rig elections in Nigeria.

Only lunatics like Laolu and his cohort can criticize OBJ regime compare with this present evil regime

Deputy1111:
https://dailytrust.com/accept-part-of-responsibility-for-nigerias-situation-ex-presidential-aide-tells-obasanjo/

Gbam! Well said mr Akande.

UltraSolid:
Only clowns take OBJ seriously. Which Nigerian President, to date, has attempted to buy a third term in office as OBJ sought? That alone shows what OBJ is. An undemocratic and dictatorial know-it-all.

True

SmartyPants:
This is laughable. Where you expecting him to admit to his corruption?

Can you explain how Obasanjo went from a soldier of modest income, to prison, and then to his massive Ota farm?

Can you explain the Haliburton scandal?

Can you explain to us how 16billi9n usd disappeared in the name of power sector reforms?

You know all these, perhaps you want to just test and see if others are aware. Not so?

Having said that, it is pertinent to note that the issue is not about the scale of his corruption, rather is is about what he did or did not do as the pioneering president of the modern Nigeria.

He could have created systems that would have been perfected in his 8 years and these systems would have been hard to corrupt if properly established. Instead he enriched himself, sought a third term to show his disregard for democratic principles, and virtually wrote the handbook on how to rig elections in Nigeria.

Ok... So if i get your logic, even as OBJ has denied sending money and the man reputed to have shared the cash never mentioned his name, we must still hang the corruption on his neck cause we want him to fit into the box of the pioneer of corruption in Nigeria. Sound logic.
Ota farm already existed before OBJ became President in 1999 sir. There are those who alleged he got the farm through OFN of the 70s but I want to believe you will not say that is your evidence of him being pioneer of corruption in 1999. I can name three other former HoS who have farms.
What is the business of OBJ with Halliburton scandal? I think you need to get yourself updated on what it was about
That's been proven to be a lie over and over again. OBJ never spent any $16bn on power. But besides that, are you aware that over 90% of the gas fired plants we have in Nigeria today were built during OBJ's time in office? He still left over 800 turbines at Apapa that needed clearing by successive govts
Ok. The systems he created, how far with them today? Has EFCC being strenghtened? ICPC nko? What about BPP and DMO? Are they all better than they were when he created them in his tenure?

Richtaiwo:
Obj is the recently adopted god of ipob miscreants. So, him accepting part of the responsibility is not even an issue. The issue is that before Obj will say pim, his new sheeples will quickly describe him as an infallible god that can never make mistakes.

This was their approach to Nnamdi Kanu's activities and recently to obifraud the agulu packaged fraud. As it is now, no one dares say gringory obituary is wrong in all these his desperate headless moves.

As noted recently, obifraud the religious bigot once condemned a well-known Christianity religious activities of night vigil, amazingly ipob miscreants unanimously agreed and clap hands for him and collectively insulted the living daylight out of churches and pastors.

what has all you said got to do with what Akande said?

what present situation in nigeria should obasanjo take responsibility for?

Kukutente23:
Ok... So if i get your logic, even as OBJ has denied sending money and the man reputed to have shared the cash never mentioned his name, we must still hang the corruption on his neck cause we want him to fit into the box of the pioneer of corruption in Nigeria. Sound logic.
Ota farm already existed before OBJ became President in 1999 sir. There are those who alleged he got the farm through OFN of the 70s but I want to believe you will not say that is your evidence of him being pioneer of corruption in 1999. I can name three other former HoS who have farms.
What is the business of OBJ with Halliburton scandal? I think you need to get yourself updated on what it was about
That's been proven to be a lie over and over again. OBJ never spent any $16bn on power. But besides that, are you aware that over 90% of the gas fired plants we have in Nigeria today were built during OBJ's time in office? He still left over 800 turbines at Apapa that needed clearing by successive govts
Ok. The systems he created, how far with them today? Has EFCC being strenghtened? ICPC nko? What about BPP and DMO? Are they all better than they were when he created them in his tenure?

I really don't have time to prove any point to you. If you belive that a bag of money turned up at the national assembly with no owner then fine. You are welcome to your sound logic.

Same for the rest of it.

SmartyPants:
I really don't have time to prove any point to you. If you belive that a bag of money turned up at the national assembly with no owner then fine. You are welcome to your sound logic.

Same for the rest of it.

If you believe that bag of money was brought there by the President of a whole country then you need to check yourself. You are too gullible as someone here pointed out

slimfit1:
Third term right now, I wish we had offered him 6 extra term because since he left, nobody has surpassed his records. We were still respected no matter what, he was at least doing the right thing for the poor and the country. Buhari and Tinubu's record will show that they have nothing in their brains.

All these ipob miscreants are funny 🤣😆.... wait till Obasanjo says something against their god Obi and they will stop all these Obasanjo asslicking 😂🤣

OlujobaSamuel:
Yea, good economy, no doubt, but political stability, infrastructural development and accountability was lacking.
We have so many off cycle election because of him, if NASS were note tied to terms, there would have been off cycle election too for Senate, all this cost money. Election was do or die. Presidential election winner was declared while voting is ongoing despite not having any automated system
Infrastructure: power and roads were nothing to write home about
Accountability: only those he had issues with were removed, some through efcc, some an insignificant number of the state House sitting under a tree, some through state of emergency that supreme court eventually declared illegal.
Till date, no other president has done all of that

Politics is supposed to improve the economy not destroy it. If your politics is not improving the economy then it’s bad politics. Whatever OBJ did was excesses but the economy grew astronomically, these excesses were improved over the years until TPain and APC took over. He has destroyed everything. There’s no defending what happened in the past 9 years, most especially the past 1 year

Anybody engaging Obasanjo and his makeshift support base is simply wasting their time. Obasanjo is craving attention (which he is not getting, at least from the person he intended), while his supporters are just the clown and losers we have always known them to be. Obasanjo and his hypocritical supporters can continue to delude themselves with the "better devil/evil" or recency theory, but there is no today without a yesterday. Also, there is nothing as a "better evil/devil." You are either a saint or devil, and baba is not a saint.

iamdapsyj:
All these ipob miscreants are funny 🤣😆.... wait till Obasanjo says something against their god Obi and they will stop all these Obasanjo asslicking 😂🤣

Yoruba ni mi rule and divide ent going to work.

Praxis758:
OBJ’s records between 1999 and 2007 remains unbeaten by any of the successors till now.

The economy was favorable and disposable income was high during his tenure.

Obj was cerebral, detrabalised with a strong economic team, unlike this era when clowns are at the helm.

Nigeria's economy was favourable and far better under sanni Abacha than Obasanjo and any other successive governments till date..

Kukutente23:
What I don't understand about you folks blaming Obasanjo for electoral system is this. Fine elections were majorly a sham under him and he has to take the flack for that. But Yaradua started the process of electoral reforms. Jonathan sustained it. In fact, that is what led to APC having a chance at winning in 2015. But the moment APC took over, they took us back to 2007 and even made it worse by corrupting the judiciary.
So why are we still blaming Obasanjo for electoral system that Yaradua and Jonathan worked to improve and APC have made worse?

Because Obasanjo lives in a glass house and throws stone.

UltraSolid:
You are not knowledgeable, exposed or capable of critical thinking. That is why your sort think OBJ's 'window dressing' means he tried and is "the best" . Have you ever lived in or visited nations where 90% of things work as they should whereas Nigeria is still struggling to get our nation working 2% optimally even?

Without major and fundamental reforms, which OBJ avoided, Nigeria is not going anywhere. Just sideways and backwards motion Bro. No forward trust. You would not know though as your exposure no pass Ajegunle meaning your sort will always view Nigeria under OBJ a paradise.

You must be a bastard. Where my legs have entered even you wey think say na abroad you dey, you no fit reach there. Mumu boy. We dey compare between nigerian presidents, mumu wey think say him be intellectual take comot comot naija.

They are all foolish and useless, we know, what are you going to do about it? we are comparing nigerian presidents not nigerian president and developed countries.