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Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Softmirror: 10:19am On Nov 29, 2024
Kukutente23:
You mean he was joking?
My apologies
I never knew the senate chamber is a comedy event centre
Another low level of IQ displayed. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:20am On Nov 29, 2024
obailala:
Lol... you think if Nigeria was an industrialised nation with a functioning economy, a university trained agric engineer will be the one mounting a tractor to harvest maize in a farm?

In industrialised nations, you really think its university trained engineers who work in 12 hour shifts, standing in manufacturing assembly lines to mass produce and package equipment, machines and other products?

Lol... You're actually a victim of Nigeria's failed economy, that's why you can't differentiate the roles of an engineer from a technician.
You're obviously not getting things right. John Deere has been importing heavy machinery into Nigeria since the 80s. Till today, not one block engine can be manufactured in Nigeria. Meanwhile, you can get a mechanical technician easily to couple the engine for you here in nigeria cheaply and easily.
So I ask which do you think Nigeria needs between technical vocational skills or engineering expertise
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by remzytimer: 10:21am On Nov 29, 2024
why did he not train his children as one, wicked ones looking for all possible means to enslave people.

ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kelklein(m):
A very myopic thinking..

Who is going to create the tech and the tools to make the work easier for the Bricklayers

Oyibo leaders no dey think like this

Oshiomole is a example of the story that was told of a couple who was walking along the road with their kid. On sighting a street sweeper, they pointed at him and told the child to work harder in school so he doesn't end up like the street sweeper. Whereas, another wise couple was passing at the same time with their kid. They pointed at the street sweeper and told their kid.. work harder in school so you can make the world a better place for him.

Oshiomole is not wise. Understandably tho..
You can'tbe in Nigerian Politics and be wise.
They don't go together.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by yongg: 10:23am On Nov 29, 2024
Proudlyngwa:
Yes
Who else

Bricklayers
Iron benders
Electricians
Welders
Carpenters

What we need is for engineers to bring out design ideas, and partner with artisans.

We have too many engineers that don't know anything
The plenty that know, have we kept them and provide a system for them to raise and develop other Nigerian engineers in a sustainable manner while keeping them active working?

Is this not why we loose talent to other climes?
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by MT: 10:26am On Nov 29, 2024
What is the value of an engineer that cannot come up with a mind blowing design. What is the usefulness of a computer scientist that can’t build an enterprise app.

Our graduates have turned make up artists and musicians.

Sad
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:27am On Nov 29, 2024
CodeTemplarr:
The way Oshiomole phrased his idea is the issue here. We need more iron-bending and brick-laying graduates. The knowledge in university and polytechnics is suppose to end up helping to get the real job done faster and better. There are 3D printer for houses and structures that are fast evolving. Thats exactly like laying bricks but in an advanced form.
He spoke in principle. We need more of hands on apprach to our problem.
Iron bending and bricklaying are basic vocational skills that do not lead to technological development at an industrial scale.
You need engineering and design skills to be able to industrialise not bricklaying skills
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:28am On Nov 29, 2024
Softmirror:
Another low level of IQ displayed. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
it seems you're here to troll instead of contributing meaningfully to the discourse like everyone else.
What a pity
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by yongg:
Kukutente23:
You're obviously not getting things right. John Deere has been importing heavy machinery into Nigeria since the 80s. Till today, not one block engine can be manufactured in Nigeria. Meanwhile, you can get a mechanical technician easily to couple the engine for you here in nigeria cheaply and easily.
So I ask which do you think Nigeria needs between technical vocational skills or engineering expertise
There will always be a need for both, none is more important than the other if optimal output over the long run especially when economic sustainability is the goal...

Of course the population of the artisan is always needed to be higher than the varsity counterpart just like it is in the military, fewer officer population to non-commissioned combatants in the battle areana doing field and office tasks.

Now lets say because we use already established standards (which we don't even practice optimally), so you will argue that we need more hands on deck for the actual low level work, what seems to be missed is that, you can have them but they will need a varsity product for better coordination, also why open oneself to higher prices to acquire the completion of a task when r&d can aid better decision to keep a certain tech, ditch it, or improve it or even overhaul the standard in the first place for a better one more suited for the environ?
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Elliotwaveforec: 10:29am On Nov 29, 2024
Bitter truth!
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Softmirror: 10:30am On Nov 29, 2024
Kukutente23:
it seems you're here to troll instead of contributing meaningfully to the discourse like everyone else.
What a pity
Another low level of IQ. Go back and read my comments and come back here to display another low level of IQ.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by richeeyo(m): 10:31am On Nov 29, 2024
ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.
I totally agree with you
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kukutente23: 10:31am On Nov 29, 2024
Softmirror:
Another low level of IQ. Go back and read my comments and come back here to display another low level of IQ.
Kindly point me to any comment you've made on this thread that shows a little understanding of the issues
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Douglad: 10:32am On Nov 29, 2024
He should turn all the people in his constituency to the bricklayers and condemned iron buyers. they all know why they voted for him and they will vote him again the second time.


poor fools in the country with the lowest of iqs. half of nigerians should be placed in a zoo and their right to vote should be rescinded. these reetards dey piss me off. i dey always hate to see nigeria news online. e dey always make me vex
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by tefund(m): 10:33am On Nov 29, 2024
gabbytabby:
Then you need formal training and apprenticeship programs that does not feel like slavery so that even graduates can learn the skill and create jobs instead of looking for jobs.
You got it all right? Nigeria's apprenticeship programs is slavery and don't encourage massive enrollment, this need to be upgraded.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Softmirror: 10:33am On Nov 29, 2024
Kukutente23:
Kindly point me to any comment you've made on this thread that shows a little understanding of the issues
You mean your narrow mindset can't grasp the simple commentsI made? But how can it when you took Oshomole's words literally. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by BlessedGift(op): 10:33am On Nov 29, 2024
Very well said
tefund:
You got it all right? Nigeria's apprenticeship programs is slavery and don't encourage massive enrollment, this need to be upgraded.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by smokinloud(m): 10:33am On Nov 29, 2024
ivandragon:
Lol.

People like Zuckerberg, Stanford, Rupert, Job, Branson, Gates, Madura and hundreds of other billionaire industrialists that don't have university degrees already prove that you are the one who teaches hearsay.
Individuals like Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, who didn't complete university, aren't artisans. Instead, they're self-taught innovators who took theoretical concepts developed by university graduates, ultimately revolutionizing their industries.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by clarion30(f): 10:34am On Nov 29, 2024
That is where his children come in!
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Greatechng(m): 10:34am On Nov 29, 2024
Me and this bastard come from the same place oh

But I will not support foolish talk

Which technical school you build before you leave office and now you be senator, which project you don do 😭
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by lexy2014: 10:34am On Nov 29, 2024
ivandragon:
You obviously have very poor understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

I will let you ride on the coattails of a comment I made earlier to a similar statement made...

Three things are evident from your question.

1. You obviously don't understand metonymy/synecdoche, so I can excuse your inability to comprehend even though the my reference to 'technical' work force should have given you an idea that the matter relates to blue collar jobs in general which leads me to the next point.

2. You seem not to know that blue collar jobs are the backbone of industrialisation. No matter how many tertiary degrees you have, no matter how many innovations you can come up with, you need people who can put in sweat and blood to do the 'dirty' jobs. People with technical know-how and special skill sets. Those people whom you take for granted which brings me to my third point.

3. You come across as one of those who raise thier noses against honest Labour. You see a bricklayer or mechanic and see the person as sub-human. You think they contribute nothing to the economy.
in all you have said, I dont see anywhere you showed that you have a very good understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Douglad: 10:34am On Nov 29, 2024
ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.
there are already so many people doing it. what are the incentives the government has used to support them. the thing with idiots like you is that a politican can come and say the stupidest shit in the world and there will be no shortage of reetards to support them
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Elliotwaveforec: 10:34am On Nov 29, 2024
Sijo01:
In other words, we should stop going to the university?
Your son is the current commissioner of health in Edo state; is he an artisan? gutter mouth midget angry
Just be literate and get skilled! You don't need any fuckkkkking degree.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Douglad: 10:39am On Nov 29, 2024
Kingosytex:
grin

Bash him all you like, he spoke the raw truth.
It's high time we all talk about acquiring technical skills. Each year, graduates are released into the labour market where there are no jobs.

How many people retire every year? Compare the number of retirements with the number of graduates each year, you will understand the mess we are in.
explain the truth he spoke. now also tell me if there is any shortage of blue collar workers in the country? as you do that, also highlight any incentive of the government to support them. oshomole was governor for 8 years. highlight the things he did to support blue collar workers in his state.

any stupid politican will wake up one morning to spew trash he dreamt last night without plan and monkeys like you with zero brain will raise their fists in support of their trash. useless country filled with the lowest iq population you can ever find.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by obailala(m): 10:42am On Nov 29, 2024
Kukutente23:
It's a simple question
What are we lacking in Nigeria? Technicians or engineers?
You can come out of your house and you'll see mukaila doing iron bending. Can you walk throughout your street and get a C++ programmer? ?
That's what will tell you what skills are lacking in Nigeria. In my area here, we have 14,15 years old who are already coupling engines and routing electrical systems.
But how many people can design electrical system for a car in Nigeria?
What we truly lack in Nigeria is a working economy that rewards skills. If Nigeria had a working economy, you'd realise we're still in dire need of many many more of that Mukaila guy as opposed to engineers. Are you aware an overwhelming majority of 'employed' Nigerian engineers are actually working as technicians? This should give an idea of which roles are more needed between engineers and technicians.

In industrialised nations, how many people have university degrees? For every 1 graduate, there are like 100 technicians/artisans. Even those C++ programmers you talk about, 99% of them didnt see the walls of a universtity, so they basically fall in a similar category as technicians/artisans.

The problem with Nigeria is just the terrible economy and poor reward system which treats artisans/technicians as shiit.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Stevenbright(m): 10:43am On Nov 29, 2024
BlessedGift:
Adams Aliyu Oshiomhole as called for Artisans saying enough of University Graduates Seeking Public Sector jobs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFFcC-GyII
Ya, like your iron bender son who became a commissioner in Edo state recently.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Douglad:
pansophist:
The economy is like a Capucinno coffee. Where the rich, dark coffee brew sits under, while the white, sugary foam rests on top.

Most people that are doing the real work are blue collar, while the white collars ones are sprinkled on top, overshadowing the real heros that are engines of the economy.

Delete almost all the entertainers, newscasters, politicians, real estate agents, etc from my life and I swear I won't miss them, but the farmers, soldiers, bricklayers, drivers, cleaners will make everyday life crumble instantly.
it is a cycle. most of the customer base of these farmers, drivers and cleaners are the white collar workers. eliminate the jobs of these white collar workers and these artisans lose their customers and see a drop in wages like we see in nigeria today. you cannot elevate the importance of blue collar workers above that of white collar works because without them the blue collar workers will cease to exist and that is the fact of it all.

you cannot have productive or high earning blue collar workers without a solid white collar middle class that does not even bleeping exist again in our country today. oshomole is not saying anything important or groundbreaking here. he is a fuckiing populist saying absolute crap and he knows that if he laces a bit of spice and sugar to his nonsense, people will agree without thinking twice about it. our economy is bad and fuckiing atrocious. the supposed "lack" of artisans, which is actually not true cos they are only closing their shops due to lack of demand, is an effect of it and not the core feature/problem.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by D111: 10:46am On Nov 29, 2024
Is carpenter, bricklayer, mechanic etc not a good work
Am barber,thank God for where I am today
Note=I did not go to school
But thanks to Almighty God,I can feed myself, wife and kids convinent
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Kingosytex(m): 10:47am On Nov 29, 2024
Douglad:
explain the truth he spoke. now also tell me if there is any shortage of blue collar workers in the country? as you do that, also highlight any incentive of the government to support them. oshomole was governor for 8 years. highlight the things he did to support blue collar workers in his state.

any stupid politican will wake up one morning to spew trash he dreamt last night without plan and monkeys like you with zero brain will raise their fists in support of their trash. useless country filled with the lowest iq population you can ever find.
You are not only daft but extremely stupid, senseless, ignorant, and foolish.
How things like you reason is something I can't fathom.
A fool talking about IQ couldn't even proffer solutions or debate a point without resorting to insults and name calling.
When you're ready, mention me properly let's debate.
Idiotic, senseless, useless thing.
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by Elliotwaveforec: 10:47am On Nov 29, 2024
obailala:
Nigeria's economy is dead, so your analogy is rather invalid. But that being said, the keypoint I tried to raise is that in that industrialised nation, for every 1 lathe machine design specialist, there are 1000 fitters/machinists.
Correct!
Re: We Need Bricklayers, Iron Benders In Nigeria, Not Varsity Products - Oshiomhole by DeepSight(m): 10:49am On Nov 29, 2024
wirinet:
The redded quote is correct but only partially. The backbone of industrialisation particularly in the 21st century is first and foremost Science and Technology, followed by Energy. Without cheap and available source of energy industrialisation cannot get off the ground. Then followed by a machine tool industry. You need machines that would make the tools and machines for making products.
Then you need highly skilled engineers to design and build infrastructures for the industries. Blue collar jobs are the last piece of the industrialisation puzzle. Some countries don't even bother with blue collar workers as they are the cheapest to produce and their wage is also the cheapest in the whole equation, they simply import blue collar workers from poor countries.

In this era of AI, machine learning and robotics, many of the functions of blue color workers can be undertaken by machines.
Doubtful if AI bodes well for humanity.
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