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How can the spirit in you which reveals to you the secrets of men and gives you power not be able to reveal the truth of the holy scriptures that pertains to the salvation of souls, if such spirit is from God. For understanding and knowledge of the word of God comes from the spirit of God.

Now we know even the devil quotes scripture and knows God's word even from the beginning but he twists it like he did while tempting Jesus.

I have been asked how is it possible for there to be different teachings of certain subjects within the church, is the spirit of God two, the many interpretations which contradict each other causes confusion?

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You need to know something


When Paul was going to Jerusalem to preach, some specific people prophesied in the name of God that he should not go

And meeting the disciples we were there for seven days: and they gave Paul orders through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 4)

That was through the spirit of God oo

Now

Another set of people again did the same
11. And he came to us, and took the band of Paul's clothing, and putting it round his feet and hands, said, The Holy Spirit says these words, So will the Jews do to the man who is the owner of this band, and they will give him up into the hands of the Gentiles. 12. And hearing these things, we and those who were living in that place made request to him not to go to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 11-12)

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When Paul went to Jerusalem, look at what God told Paul himself

And the night after, the Lord came to his side and said, Be of good heart, for as you have been witnessing for me in Jerusalem, so will you be my witness in Rome. (Act 23: 11)

This is a very solid example of people even Giving Prophecy i.e speaking the mind of God about something which the person (Paul in this case) went against and still went to Jerusalem and God commended him for it as you see in Acts 23:11
God was happy with Paul that he said that he would also go to Rome to do the same thing he has come to Jerusalem to do

I have usually excused some of these things (teachings) as human error but in as we are weak as long as we are willing, just as the spirit of God lead the church in Acts in it's growth, he will lead us into correction as well unless if that which is in us is not of God. But the root of such human error should not be said to be from God, it was not the spirit of God that made some rise up and claim circumcision was necessary for salvation so also it is not the spirit of God that adds things Jesus never commanded us to do especially when they contradict the love that Jesus preached and taught. Note love doesn't condone evil nor harbor it.

Many times we fall victim to false preaching, false teaching and false prophecy because many of us do not have the time to get to know God nor have the Holy Spirit and the understanding of God's word. Imagine someone who works mornings to evening Monday to Friday only opens the bible on Sundays and even if they do read during the week, do they spend time studying it? This has lead to mass deception and acceptance of error.

Sirmwill:
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You need to know something


When Paul was going to Jerusalem to preach, some specific people prophesied in the name of God that he should not go

And meeting the disciples we were there for seven days: and they gave Paul orders through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 4)

That was through the spirit of God oo

Now

Another set of people again did the same
11. And he came to us, and took the band of Paul's clothing, and putting it round his feet and hands, said, The Holy Spirit says these words, So will the Jews do to the man who is the owner of this band, and they will give him up into the hands of the Gentiles. 12. And hearing these things, we and those who were living in that place made request to him not to go to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 11-12)

nobody prophecied that he shouldn't go.

Such careless assumptions lead to the false teachings we are talking about

gohf:
nobody prophecied that he shouldn't go.

Such careless assumptions lead to the false teachings we are talking about

Read the Acts 21:4 I put there okayyy

What does it mean to give orders through spirit

And meeting the disciples we were there for seven days: and they gave Paul orders through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 4)


This is Prophecy!

Sirmwill:
Read the Acts 21:4 I put there okayyy

I read it, but reading and understanding are two different things

The disciples saw what was going to happen through the Holy Spirit and they pleaded with him not to go. It's a very normal and usually reaction

When prophet Agabus came he only told him what would happen to him in Jerusalem and not a command for him not to go.

gohf:
nobody prophecied that he shouldn't go.

Such careless assumptions lead to the false teachings we are talking about

Me
I'm not giving you false teachings or anything oo

I'm telling you that it, you should not obey strictly whatever your Pastor says or tells you. It's totally wrong if you do that.
Instead
You should obey strictly and wholeheartedly what Jesus has said as it is written in the Bible. That is the main thing. The foundation of the new Covenant as described in Hebrews.
See what happened to Paul. He was prophecied to by the Spirit that he should not Go to Jerusalem and when He went, God commended him for going and wanted him to also go to Rome for the same thing.
You think it was not the Spirit of God that spoke through the disciples that said he shouldn't go? Yes, it was the Spirit of God. But, based on their own mentality. Theirs was based on Fear
Paul's mentality was based on Love which Jesus commanded.And God,commended him for it.
What Jesus commanded is more important than what any great pastor or prophet or anyone anywhere will tell you that God said. You need to know this

Sirmwill:
And meeting the disciples we were there for seven days: and they gave Paul orders through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (Act 21: 4)


This is Prophecy!

what translation did you use.

Another point why there are errors and false teachings in the church is as a result of some translations and interpretations of written texts.

Let's read some

Acts.21.4 And finding disciples, we stayed there seven days. They told Paul through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (NKJV)

Acts.21.4 we looked up the local disciples and stayed with them seven days. Their message to Paul, from insight given by the Spirit, was "Don't go to Jerusalem." (MSB)

Acts.21.4 Finding the disciples there, we stayed with them seven days. Through the Spirit they urged Paul not to go on to Jerusalem. (NIV)

Acts.21.4 And having looked up the disciples there, we remained with them for seven days. Prompted by the [Holy] Spirit, they kept telling Paul not to set foot in Jerusalem. (AMP)


We found the Lord's followers there and stayed with them for seven days. They warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem because of what the Spirit had told them. (ERV)

gohf:
I read it, but reading and understanding are two different things

The disciples saw what was going to happen through the Holy Spirit and they pleaded with him not to go. It's a very normal and usually reaction

When prophet Agabus came he only told him what would happen to him in Jerusalem and not a command for him not to go.

Nooooooo
All the Bible versions I read said the same

gohf:
what translation did you use.

Another point where there are errors and false teachings in the church is as a result of some translations and interpretations of written texts.

Let's read some

Acts.21.4 And finding disciples, we stayed there seven days. They told Paul through the Spirit not to go up to Jerusalem. (NKJV)

Acts.21.4 we looked up the local disciples and stayed with them seven days. Their message to Paul, from insight given by the Spirit, was "Don't go to Jerusalem." (MSB)

Acts.21.4 Finding the disciples there, we stayed with them seven days. Through the Spirit they urged Paul not to go on to Jerusalem. (NIV)

Acts.21.4 And having looked up the disciples there, we remained with them for seven days. Prompted by the [Holy] Spirit, they kept telling Paul not to set foot in Jerusalem. (AMP)


We found the Lord's followers there and stayed with them for seven days. They warned Paul not to go to Jerusalem because of what the Spirit had told them. (ERV)

You are even buttressing the fact that it was a prophecy with these versions you posted 🙂

AMP
Prompted by the Holy Spirit, they told him not to go

Bible in worldwide English.the first version in the first image I posted,

The Holy Spirit spoke through them

Sirmwill:
Me
I'm not giving you false teachings or anything oo

I'm telling you that it, you should not obey strictly whatever your Pastor says or tells you. It's totally wrong if you do that.
Instead
You should obey strictly and wholeheartedly what Jesus has said as it is written in the Bible. That is the main thing. The foundation of the new Covenant as described in Hebrews.
See what happened to Paul. He was prophecied to by the Spirit that he should not Go to Jerusalem and when He went, God commended him for going and wanted him to also go to Rome for the same thing.
You think it was not the Spirit of God that spoke through the disciples that said he shouldn't go? Yes, it was the Spirit of God. But, based on their own mentality. Theirs was based on Fear
Paul's mentality was based on Love which Jesus commanded.And God,commended him for it.
What Jesus commanded is more important than what any great pastor or prophet or anyone anywhere will tell you that God said. You need to know this

1. Make your message clear enough not to be misinterpreted. That is we should do our best

I apologise for the earlier misunderstanding but still he wasn't prophesied to by the Holy Spirit not to go, and until we can differentiate between human opinion and the leading of the Holy Spirit we will find our selves in situations where we think the spirit of God is saying things contrary to the word of God.


A prophet was needed when the disciples gave the message based on their feelings. It's not the first time the book of acts shows such correction and growth and how the Holy Spirit handles things.

If we say the Holy Spirit Paul then that means Paul disobeyed his command, meanwhile such didn't occur.

Writing things like this is also a cause of error in the body of Christ
"You think it was not the Spirit of God that spoke through the disciples that said he shouldn't go? Yes, it was the Spirit of God."

It's not what I think, but what I know the Spirit of God does not contradict the word of God, irrespective of whatever or however Luke or the others write or our translations.

Normally
Reading it the first time without checking versions I knew it was the Holy Spirit that was commanding Paul not to Go

How did Jesus overcome the temptation of the devil? Jesus compared what he was hearing with his knowledge of what is written and his understanding of God, and that's what we should do.

I believe the first thing we need to realise is that these men, whom we believe have the holy spirit yet having these false preaching, false teaching and false prophecies, actually don't have the Holy Spirit in them and it would be hard for you to believe that, because we get blinded by the three Ps, Power, Prosperity and Popularity. We forget that the devil is an author of confusion and this confusion is as a result of his deceptive spirits he sends into men.
Power in the sense that they are right some times, miracles and healing are seen to happen there are testimonies and they are widely accepted and popular men of God who are prosperous and seemly blessed by God. Now this evidence is hard to deny but do these three things actually prove a man has the spirit of God?

gohf:
1. Make your message clear enough not to be misinterpreted. That is we should do our best

I apologise for the earlier misunderstanding but still he wasn't prophesied to by the Holy Spirit not to go, and until we can differentiate between human opinion and the leading of the Holy Spirit we will find our selves in situations where we think the spirit of God is saying things contrary to the word of God.


A prophet was needed when the disciples gave the message based on their feelings. It's not the first time the book of acts shows such correction and growth and how the Holy Spirit handles things.

If we say the Holy Spirit Paul then that means Paul disobeyed his command, meanwhile such didn't occur.

Writing things like this is also a cause of error in the body of Christ
"You think it was not the Spirit of God that spoke through the disciples that said he shouldn't go? Yes, it was the Spirit of God."

It's not what I think, but what I know the Spirit of God does not contradict the word of God, irrespective of whatever or however Luke or the others write or our translations.

Really?

When Isaiah was told by God to tell a King that he would die
Did the whole situation not change?

What you didn't check is that
After Paul gave a response just like that King gave a response, the whole situation changed and what God said Changed

Then Paul answered, ‘Why are you crying and making me sad like this? I am ready to be tied and also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.’ (Act 21: 13)

This was the situation changing response

gohf:
How did Jesus overcome the temptation of the devil? Jesus compared what he was hearing with his knowledge of what is written and his understanding of God, and that's what we should do.

I believe the first thing we need to realise is that these men, whom we believe have the holy spirit yet having these false preaching, false teaching and false prophecies, actually don't have the Holy Spirit in them and it would be hard for you to believe that, because we get blinded by the three Ps, Power, Prosperity and Popularity. We forget that the devil is an author of confusion and this confusion is as a result of his deceptive spirits he sends into men.
Power in the sense that they are right some times, miracles and healing are seen to happen there are testimonies and they are widely accepted and popular men of God who are prosperous and seemly blessed by God. Now this evidence is hard to deny but do these three things actually prove a man has the spirit of God?

Firstly
Having the spirit of God is as easy as
Ephesians 1:13

Now

The people who are guided by the Spirit of God will be known by their fruits. Jesus said so

Sirmwill:
AMP
Prompted by the Holy Spirit, they told him not to go

is there any other example of the spirit of God contradicting the word of God in the bible?

If not, why insist on one thing?

That stubborn insistence on what could be a human error could be very misleading and prompt contradictions and errors.


What is the implications of acts 21:4 was it really the Holy Spirit that told them to tell Paul not to go? Or was it there own assessment of what was revealed to them.

When Peter heard Jesus was to die, what was his reaction? Now your message is already based on a wrong assumption of what may have been misinterpreted which could result in people saying things like well even if the Holy Spirit says so, as long as I obey what I believe is the command of Jesus it is okay.


Do we then forget that
They that are led by the spirit are children of God

One of the problem with many pastors is in giving the scripture their denominational interpretation and trumpeting the view of his GO as the voice of God. He is handicapped actually because anything Short of that is seen as disloyalty.

Sirmwill:
Firstly
Having the spirit of God is as easy as
Ephesians 1:13

Now

The people who are guided by the Spirit of God will be known by their fruits. Jesus said so

You are right by their fruit you shall know them. Now how do we validate the fruit they bear?


Anyway, did you quote the correct verse
Because the verse
Eph.1.13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, (NKJV)

Doesn't support your statement, "that it is easy to have the Holy Spirit."

gohf:
is there any other example of the spirit of God contradicting the word of God in the bible?

If not, why insist on one thing?

That stubborn insistence on what could be a human error could be very misleading and prompt contradictions and errors.


What is the implications of acts 21:4 was it really the Holy Spirit that told them to tell Paul not to go? Or was it there own assessment of what was revealed to them.

When Peter heard Jesus was to die, what was his reaction? Now your message is already based on a wrong assumption of what may have been misinterpreted which could result in people saying things like well even if the Holy Spirit says so, as long as I obey what I believe is the command of Jesus it is okay.


Do we then forget that
They that are led by the spirit are children of God

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Now

You are in a right place to understand that no prophecy from God that contradicts what Jesus said is actually from God

Remember a lying spirit once made many prophets prophecy in the name of God leaving only one Prophet saying the opposite still by the Spirit of God.


The thing is.
Yes!!!
It's very possible they prophecied "by the Spirit of God" but it was not God speaking instead, it was because of what they saw.
But!!! They must have actually said it in the name of God.

Sooo

Now, ANYTHING that any person says that Contradicts what Jesus said is not speaking of the actual spirit of God

The biggest mistake most Christians make is adhering to what their pastor says
And not what Jesus has said

Sirmwill:
Really?

When Isaiah was told by God to tell a King that he would die
Did the whole situation not change?

God said he would die and he died.

God doesn't lie nor does he change his mind not word, God sent the prophet back to tell him, when he will die.


The situation changed but God's word didn't, his prayer added God's mercy and grace to God's word.

The same when God said he will kill the people of Israel in the desert, Moses pleaded, it was postponed because they latter still died in that wilderness while their children were the ones who entered the promised land.


Jesus had already told Paul he would suffer that's why in the face of their revelation he didn't shrink back in fear but accepted it in light of God's word.


Our ability to discern the spirit speaking to us and to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying as to be based on the word of God, Jesus Christ. And if there is any contradiction is shows it's an evil spirit or our own human error at work.

gohf:
You are right by their fruit you shall know them. Now how do we validate the fruit they bear?


Anyway, did you quote the correct verse
Because the verse
Eph.1.13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, (NKJV)

Doesn't support your statement, "that it is easy to have the Holy Spirit."

It is
After you heard the word of truth and the gospel of your salvation, and you believed, you are immediately sealed with the Holy Spirit 🙂 because it's a promise Jesus made

gohf:
God said he would die and he died.

God doesn't lie nor does he change his mind not word, God sent the prophet back to tell him, when he will die.


The situation changed but God's word didn't, his prayer added God's mercy and grace to God's word.

The same when God said he will kill the people of Israel in the desert, Moses pleaded, it was postponed because they latter still died in that wilderness while their children were the ones who entered the promised land.


Jesus had already told Paul he would suffer that's why in the face of their revelation he didn't shrink back in fear but accepted it in light of God's word.


Our ability to discern the spirit speaking to us and to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying as to be based on the word of God, Jesus Christ. And if there is any contradiction is shows it's an evil spirit or our own human error at work.

Originally God said man would die after the Garden of Eden error
Now , Jesus came and said man would not die again I mean AGAIN

pointblank247:
One of the problem with many pastors is in giving the scripture their denominational interpretation and trumpeting the view of his GO as the voice of God. He is handicapped actually because anything Short of that is seen as disloyalty.

That loyalty seems cultured into them, some may say it may even have a demonic influence involved in it.

Because no matter how you read the word of God to them it's like they are blind like a strong veil has been put over their eyes to reject whatever wasn't said by their pastors.


Some of this men have the ability to confuse people into giving into demonic projects and the people will be happy doing so. Receiving strong joy and confidence from deception.

gohf:
God said he would die and he died.

God doesn't lie nor does he change his mind not word, God sent the prophet back to tell him, when he will die.


The situation changed but God's word didn't, his prayer added God's mercy and grace to God's word.

The same when God said he will kill the people of Israel in the desert, Moses pleaded, it was postponed because they latter still died in that wilderness while their children were the ones who entered the promised land.


Jesus had already told Paul he would suffer that's why in the face of their revelation he didn't shrink back in fear but accepted it in light of God's word.


Our ability to discern the spirit speaking to us and to understand what the Holy Spirit is saying as to be based on the word of God, Jesus Christ. And if there is any contradiction is shows it's an evil spirit or our own human error at work.

At that time Jesus that is the way, the truth and the LIFE has not come. I mean when The King later died and the Israelites.
Paul willingly wanted to die for Christ.
If a Christian decides he is not dying by Faith in Jesus, he is never going to die
Do you need scriptural proof for this?

gohf:
That loyalty seems cultured into them, some may say it may even have a demonic influence involved in it.

Because no matter how you read the word of God to them it's like they are blind like a strong veil has been put over their eyes to reject whatever wasn't said by their pastors.


Some of this men have the ability to confuse people into giving into demonic projects and the people will be happy doing so. Receiving strong joy and confidence from deception.

Totally correct
This is the reason many Christians perish
LACK OF KNOWLEDGE (OF THE WORD ITSELF) which is Jesus and everything he said