₦airaland Forum

Buccalcavity2:
My brother. My earnest desire is for the bill to be declined at the NA, publicly! In my view, it's even a backdoor way to arm twist states of their 40% derived consumption tax. Why go for 60% when you can get 100%.
We all know the law establishing VAT. It's a state tax being collected by FIRS, that's not debatable.
Nobody can say now that Lagos, Kaduna..lack the capacity to collect their own tax now (this is no longer 1979)
Let supreme Court judge!

Even after Supreme Court judgment it is better to centralise collection and administration otherwise states may duplicate VAT on the same product or service

Buccalcavity2:
If it was about North vs South, we will even go beyond VAT as nobody is a fool. South is not a tribe neither is North. And if there is anyone to accuse of bigotry, please ask Ndume to look in the mirror. Afterall, I'm not the one that said because a dept. of CBN moved to Lagos, it's anti-north. Neither am I the one that said fighting Boko Haram is anti north.
I only stated the fact wrt antecedents.
Your hypocrisy is so loud that you can't hear yourself. Name one item that you have criticized in the bill since you've been writing, none!
This bill is not related to subsidy, so what's the dependency? Arguably experts (world Bank and the investing public) have adjudged subsidy removal as progress.
Ask the governors that question(about opposition) not me. Did they deny attending the sessions?
Is English your problem or understanding? If anybody wants to have his way, he will not send it to national assembly for debate. So what is happening is democracy in action! Afterall, we know how many executive ORDERs Baba Buhari executed but you were mute! Name one ORDER that Tinubu has signed!

Did I poke the bear!! As usual you’re responding to the issues I raised with insults. I shall not go down the gutter with you.
What are the benefits of subsidy removal? (You will not see this question)
Did the senate deputy president allow a debate? Do you call that democracy?
Yes it’s in the national assembly and it was clear you wanted it passed without scrutiny.
Throw all the insults you want rest assured we are watching and will not accept tyranny.

aribisala0:
Even after Supreme Court judgment it is better to centralise collection and administration otherwise states may duplicate VAT on the same product or service

But at that point the 60% is stale. Where I live, consumption tax is different by state. If you collect on my behalf, I pay you collection fee. That's all. Not that I share 40% with others.

faridasr:
Did I poke the bear!! As usual you’re responding to the issues I raised with insults. I shall not go down the gutter with you.
What are the benefits of subsidy removal? (You will not see this question)
Did the senate deputy president allow a debate? Do you call that democracy?
Yes it’s in the national assembly and it was clear you wanted it passed without scrutiny.
Throw all the insults you want rest assured we are watching and will not accept tyranny.

The joke is one you bud. You called me a bigot (a compliment in your world) and I reciprocated. Nobody has monopoly of anything.
Convo was decent until you went low.
You obviously didn't watch the session. I did and there's no democratic procedure that was violated. Please state one if you observed. So tell me the tyrannical part. At least you've conceded that the bill being in NA is democratic.

Buccalcavity2:
But at that point the 60% is stale. Where I live, consumption tax is different by state. If you collect on my behalf, I pay you collection fee. That's all. Not that I share 40% with others.

You are mixing it up with too much passion
We are not where you live we are in Nigeria . We do not have total federalism which we desire. That does not mean we should create chaos

Even if the Supreme Court judgment upholds 100%
collection should be central


The point is that regardless of percentage there is a system of collection and administration that is centralised today.
It will be a nightmare for businesses if they have to deal with 37 authorities.
There is international VAT that applies on imports and other items that accrue only to the FG


How it is administered is crucial

aribisala0:
You are mixing it up with too much passion
We are not where you live we are in Nigeria . We do not have total federalism which we desire. That does not mean we should create chaos

Even if the Supreme Court judgment upholds 100%
collection should be central


The point is that regardless of percentage there is a system of collection and administration that is centralised today.
It will be a nightmare for businesses if they have to deal with 37 authorities.
There is international VAT that applies on imports and other items that accrue only to the FG


How it is administered is crucial

I'm absolutely not oppose to central collection. I'm fixated on the derivation percentage which is the subject of contention from some quarters.

Buccalcavity2:
I'm absolutely not oppose to central collection. I'm fixated on the derivation percentage which is the subject of contention from some quarters.

Well it is a gamble when you don't know what theSupreme court will say
It might be better to compromise
Another issue is to have a central framework for how VAT ELIGIBLE items are determined or excluded.
If the FG Retains that power then they can cripple some states by excluding items or including items that advantage or disadvantage some states

The FG Currently gets 15%
It is proposed to reduce that to 10% to help states that may lose out

aribisala0:
Well it is a gamble when you don't know what theSupreme court will say
It might be better to compromise
Another issue is to have a central framework for how VAT ELIGIBLE items are determined or excluded.
If the FG Retains that power then they can cripple some states by excluding items or including items that advantage or disadvantage some states

The FG Currently gets 15%
It is proposed to reduce that to 10% to help states that may lose out

In my view, it's really not a gamble. Please read Rivers State vs FG on VAT and laws establishing VAT. It was a master stroke from Wike.
The question is "if". I doubt if FG will retain the power of regulation. I'll read the law again to confirm.
But what Taiwo has is a gem that shouldn't be antagonized else...

Buccalcavity2:
The joke is one you bud. You called me a bigot (a compliment in your world) and I reciprocated. Nobody has monopoly of anything.
Convo was decent until you went low.
You obviously didn't watch the session. I did and there's no democratic procedure that was violated. Please state one if you observed. So tell me the tyrannical part. At least you've conceded that the bill being in NA is democratic.

Why are you blindly supporting something you haven’t read? I am certain you haven’t read the 400 page document but only the highlights and you want it passed without scrutiny.

For the records I watched how the committee was brought in to the national assembly against laid down procedures and objections by distinguished senators. Did you not see how the DSP conduct the seating?

when there’s attempt at manipulation of a process it ceases to be democratic. But you’re entitled to believe anything taken to NA becomes democratic. We have before now seen how a minority group of lawmakers impeached a Governor and it was ok for some. Your position and understanding is not surprising.

Buccalcavity2:
In my view, it's really not a gamble. Please read Rivers State vs FG on VAT and laws establishing VAT. It was a master stroke from Wike.
The question is "if". I doubt if FG will retain the power of regulation. I'll read the law again to confirm.
But what Taiwo has is a gem that shouldn't be antagonized else...

You are entitled to your view but it is not about you is it..?

You are sounding naive like an autistic child
The world is more complex than that
Do you believe the Supreme Court is apolitical
Has the supreme court not made strange decisions before?
Do you believe the decision about LGA autonomy was apolitical?
Was it not the same court that affirmed Amaechi as governor even when he was not on the ballot?
Even on this matter why is it taking so long ? Why did they resolve the LGA matter so fast even though the VAT matter has been there since Buhari s time?

faridasr:
Why are you blindly supporting something you haven’t read? I am certain you haven’t read the 400 page document but only the highlights and you want it passed without scrutiny.

For the records I watched how the committee was brought in to the national assembly against laid down procedures and objections by distinguished senators. Did you not see how the DSP conduct the seating?

when there’s attempt at manipulation of a process it ceases to be democratic. But you’re entitled to believe anything taken to NA becomes democratic. We have before now seen how a minority group of lawmakers impeached a Governor and it was ok for some. Your position and understanding is not surprising.

Please speak for yourself. I have read the document and you can watch a video on Twitter that reads the prints to you, if you thought it was bulky.
We are educated minds and saw the proceedings at Senate. The law that was relied upon to bring the committee in, was Senate's not draconian. Despite the objection from Ningi and Ndume (which is ok), majority had the way while minority had their say. That's democracy. Don't misinform the public.

Buccalcavity2:
Please speak for yourself. I have read the document and you can watch a video on Twitter that reads the prints to you, if you thought it was bulky.
We are educated minds and saw the proceedings at Senate. The law that was relied upon to bring the committee in, was Senate's not draconian. Despite the objection from Ningi and Ndume (which is ok), majority had the way while minority had their say. That's democracy. Don't misinform the public.

Mr educated you saw what you wanted to see but doesn’t mean it was right. Yes I understand you, The same way Obasanjo impeached a Governor with a handful of legislators and it was okay at that time. The process adopted by the DSP was flawed and undemocratic. This wicked agenda will unravel in due course and will be rejected by Nigerians after all the pain and misery this government has subjected us to.

faridasr:
Mr educated you saw what you wanted to see but doesn’t mean it was right. Yes I understand you, The same way Obasanjo impeached a Governor with a handful of legislators and it was okay at that time. The process adopted by the DSP was flawed and undemocratic. This wicked agenda will unravel in due course and will be rejected by Nigerians after all the pain and misery this government has subjected us to.

Please explain the undemocratic process.

Extra30:
So much in a rush

Why has he not read the bill? Lazy lawmaker.

festacman:
1. Ordinarily, there is nothing bad in introducing tax reforms from time to time to reflect the REALITIES of the time.

2. Basically, taxation involves corporates and individuals paying a portion of their earnings to support government, which made it possible for them to earn.

3. Therefore, the rational thing to do first is for President Tinubu to develop short-term, medium-term and long-term plan to boost the productive capacity of the economy. Unfortunately, doing this looks like a mirage at the moment. Tax Bill without fixing the economy will impoverish Nigerians more.

4. It is when industries, factories, farmers, traders, professionals, etc are functioning well that goods and services are produced and sold and corporates as well as people have money in their pockets that taxation makes sense. You don't put the cat before the horse.

5. Apart from obvious geopolitical reasons, the fact is that introducing Tax Bill is much easier thing to do than fixing the economy. The president chose the easier task.

The tax bill is part of realignment of resources and efforts to make the sub-nationals to strive to be productive. It will block a lot of loopholes.

Buccalcavity2:
Please explain the undemocratic process.

Abeg let’s leave this matter like this. Since you watched the entire session and didn’t notice any wrong there’s no point in continuing this discussion. I’m of the firm belief that the legislative process was undemocratic as it was conducted by the DSP. I watched it too.

faridasr:
Why are you blindly supporting something you haven’t read? I am certain you haven’t read the 400 page document but only the highlights and you want it passed without scrutiny.

For the records I watched how the committee was brought in to the national assembly against laid down procedures and objections by distinguished senators. Did you not see how the DSP conduct the seating?

when there’s attempt at manipulation of a process it ceases to be democratic. But you’re entitled to believe anything taken to NA becomes democratic. We have before now seen how a minority group of lawmakers impeached a Governor and it was ok for some. Your position and understanding is not surprising.

You sound like the illiterate Ndume who does not know the meaning of RHETORIC


Their rules allow them to REGULATE THEMSELVES

They are not robots
If the majority chose to vary procedure what is wrong with that?

aribisala0:
You sound like the illiterate Ndume who does not know the meaning of RHETORIC


Their rules allow them to REGULATE THEMSELVES

They are not robots
If the majority chose to vary procedure what is wrong with that?

So Ndume is an illiterate to you. You can’t make a sensible point without insults simply because we are rejecting a bill we don’t agree with.

Please look in the mirror for an illiterate.

We reject these tax bills. They will only inflict more pain on us like the subsidy removal and Naira floatation.

aribisala0:
You sound like the illiterate Ndume who does not know the meaning of RHETORIC


Their rules allow them to REGULATE THEMSELVES

They are not robots
If the majority chose to vary procedure what is wrong with that?

u are so foolish, thinking with ur anus. So even if majority are against the law that makes right? u people are just too emotional and childishly foolish. Idiots bigots tell us the benefits of tinubus removal of subsidy

System202:
u are so foolish, thinking with ur anus. So even if majority are against the law that makes right? u people are just too emotional and childishly foolish. Idiots bigots tell us the benefits of tinubus removal of subsidy

Your mother is an idiot

faridasr:
So Ndume is an illiterate to you. You can’t make a sensible point without insults simply because we are rejecting a bill we don’t agree with.

Please look in the mirror for an illiterate.

We reject these tax bills. They will only inflict more pain on us like the subsidy removal and Naira floatation.

Did Ndume say rhetoric is an insult? Yes or No?

Yes you are an illiterate because you obviously have not read the bill

How will increassing threshold so minimum wage earners pay zero tax cause pain

People from tha part of the country are illiterate and dumb

Just like with Islam most cannot read the Qur'an but follow what they are told is in it

You are doing the same thing here

aribisala0:
Did Ndume say rhetoric is an insult? Yes or No?

Yes you are an illiterate because you obviously have not read the bill

How will increassing threshold so minimum wage earners pay zero tax cause pain

People from tha part of the country are illiterate and dumb

Just like with Islam most cannot read the Qur'an but follow what they are told is in it

You are doing the same thing here

Say whatever you want we are not supporting the tax bills after what happened with all the subsidy removal. And we shall prevail by God’s grace.

We are in a democracy and our voices must be heard. You can’t do anything about it other than ranting on Nairaland.

You will be humbled soon with all your insults, bigotry. May God heal you of this herd mentality.

Please go and check the meaning of illiterate. Obviously from what you’ve written you don’t understand its meaning.

faridasr:
Say whatever you want we are not supporting the tax bills after what happened with all the subsidy removal. And we shall prevail by God’s grace.

We are in a democracy and our voices must be heard. You can’t do anything about it other than ranting on Nairaland.

You will be humbled soon with all your insults, bigotry. May God heal you of this herd mentality.

Please go and check the meaning of illiterate. Obviously from what you’ve written you don’t understand its meaning.

You don't have to support it for it to pass
That reality will soon come home to you
The North does not have a veto

The NE and NW Does not speak for NC
So let us test who has the numbers in the National Assembly

aribisala0:
You don't have to support it for it to pass
That reality will soon come home to you
The North does not have a veto

The NE and NW Does not speak for NC
So let us test who has the numbers in the National Assembly

I’m happy you now understand what I’ve been saying all along. Let due process be followed, let’s be heard even if we are a minority not the hasty way they’re trying to pass the law.

The issue of which region is minority or majority will be clear to everyone soon. Just be patient.

faridasr:
I’m happy you now understand what I’ve been saying all along. Let due process be followed, let’s be heard even if we are a minority not the hasty way they’re trying to pass the law.

The issue of which region is minority or majority will be clear to everyone soon. Just be patient.

Please explain to me how due process has not been followed

aribisala0:
Please explain to me how due process has not been followed

Go and watch the video and read the senate rules again and again maybe you will understand. If you don’t, come back to me and I will explain to you.

faridasr:
Go and watch the video and read the senate rules again and again maybe you will understand. If you don’t, come back to me and I will explain to you.

I watched and I believe due process was followed so

Please explain how it was not

aribisala0:
I watched and I believe due process was followed so

Please explain how it was not

So who’s now the illiterate? You insulted me by calling me illiterate and you the educated. How can you fail to comprehend.

faridasr:
So who’s now the illiterate? You insulted me by calling me illiterate and you the educated. How can you fail to comprehend.

You are the illiterate
The bill passed second reading
That is due process

aribisala0:
You are the illiterate
The bill passed second reading
That is due process

How can you ask someone you called an illiterate to explain something to you. Isn’t that the height of stewpidity?

Yes it has passed second reading but will not be passed in a haste as you and your herd wanted. We are going to take our time to scrutinize it clause by clause.

Go and read the senate rules since you’re the only educated person here.

faridasr:
How can you ask someone you called an illiterate to explain something to you. Isn’t that the height of stewpidity?

Yes it has passed second reading but will not be passed in a haste as you and your herd wanted. We are going to take our time to scrutinize it clause by clause.

Go and read the senate rules since you’re the only educated person here.

I know you cannot explain anything
I am merely using you as an illustration of foolishness to the thread