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MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was never accepted as the Messiah by the Jewish nation so they can't accept him as King or Highpriest but among faithful Jews they knew Jesus fulfilled many prophecies that has to do with the Messiah and don't forget what happened at his birth Cheldians traveled all the way from the East to come and do Obeisance to the one born King of the Jews!

After Jesus had been born in Bethʹle·hem of Ju·deʹa in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from the East came to Jerusalem,  saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.” At hearing this, King Herod was agitated, and all Jerusalem with him. Matthew 2:2-3

Astrologers saw a star that has never been seen before from the far East pointing to the birth of a great king of the Jews angels announced his birth to shepherds {Luke 2:8-14} and prophets in Jerusalem's temple confirmed that this child is the Messiah. Luke 2:25-38

So my friend i know that you are a Muslim and Islam doesn't teach you much about the Messiah that's why you are saying all these but if you are sincere with yourself you will know from all these accounts that there has never been born anyone like Jesus of Nazareth!

What impact did the astrologers have on the people other than this singular incident at his birth? Who again referred to this astrologers in the 30+ years of Jesus life?

Jesus was never accepted as Messiah by the Jews yet the whole world should accept him? How?

Qasim6:
The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

But I thought the message of Jesus is only for the Jews.
How can Jesus be preaching about a kingdom of God for the whole world if his message is for the Jews only?

Qasim6:
Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

Have U heard of Didache?

Explore2xmore:
Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah'

What U defined up there is messiah.
Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah

Qasim6:
My guy you are the one that has been deceived. You are the one carrying a forged book around calling it message of Christ. I'm sorry to break this sad news to you.



Of course there is no manuscript that contains that truth, because you guys have nothing other than forgeries.

The painful thing about this your blind argument Muhammed never believed the injeel or the Torah was corrupt.
Muhammed actually believed in the Injeel and the Torah available in his time. He believed they were perfect.
He told both christians and Jews to judge by what is revealed in their books.
How can Muhammed tell Christians and Jews to judge by corrupt books!!!!

How Muslims ended up with the corrupt injeel/Torah claim is an abracadabra on its own.

SIRTee15:
Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah'

What U defined up there is messiah.
Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah

Maybe your Bible should clearly show me this difference. Can you point me in the right direction?

AntiChristian:
I don't have much time for your front and back mixing of truth with falsehood!



Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus!
Torah is the revelation revealed to Moses!
Zabur is that revealed to David!
Abraham too had a Book revealed to him!

All of these revelations are speech/Word of Allah!

I don't know what use is the meaning of the word "Injeel" when Allah says in Qur'an 61:6 "And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

Clearly he was referring to the Children of Israel as you can see in red above! He was sent to Israel! And Israel is just a fraction of the world!

Injeel is the Gospel revealed to Jesus which is definitely not your Matthew, Mark, Luke and John!
Torah is the Book revealed to Moses which is definitely not the Pentateuch or the Old testament!
Zabur is Psalms revealed to David which is definitely not the Psalms in your Bible!

What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

Ok Qasim6

U know me and evidence are 5&6.
But let's leave that for another day.

But what I want U to explain is why is the message of Jesus called Injeel.

First tell me ....the injeel is written in what language?

Now if the book given to Jesus isn't written in greek, why is the book given a greek name.

Why did Allah give a greek name to the book given to Jesus when he wasn't sent to the greek and the message was in native language of Jesus which is not greek.

2. U mentioned the injeel is corrupt. Now I want U to confirm...was the injeel during the time of Muhammed already corrupted.
Muhammed lived around 6th and 7th century. Was the injeel already corrupted by this period?

SIRTee15:
What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

Lol

And where did u get this idea of Alexander the Great being a prophet in Islam from?

Explore2xmore:
What impact did the astrologers have on the people other than this singular incident at his birth? Who again referred to this astrologers in the 30+ years of Jesus life?

The visit of astrologers in Jerusalem shows that a foretold King has been born and since the king at that time wasn't pleased with the news himself and his cohorts buried the case even though it led to the death of many children in Bethlehem Ephrata! Matthew 2:16
When things happen in politics most of you will think it just happened but politicians know what they are trying to cover up from the masses.
So the birth and life of Jesus surely affected the Israelites even though politicians are bent on hiding it from the people. Act 4:18;5:28

Explore2xmore:
Jesus was never accepted as Messiah by the Jews yet the whole world should accept him? How?

NO! God's word never said the whole world should accept him because that is not possible it has always been only a few people that used to be saved! Luke 17:25-30
This is not Islam where people should be forced to accept what they don't understand Jesus sent his own disciples to go and visit neighbors in their homes PREACHING (PLEADING) with them to calmly listen in order to grasp what is happening {Matthew 28:19-20} he never expected people in large numbers to accept him that's why he said his disciples will be persecuted and of course minority can't persecute the majority nah it's only the majority that will persecute the minority! Matthew 24:9
So it's not by force that you accept the Christ as your King after all you don't know why but as for humble people they will understand! Matthew 5:5 compare to Zephaniah 2:2-3

MaxInDHouse:
The visit of astrologers in Jerusalem shows that a foretold King has been born and since the king at that time wasn't pleased with the news himself and his cohorts buried the case even though it led to the death of many children in Bethlehem Ephrata! Matthew 2:16
When things happen in politics most of you will think it just happened but politicians know what they are trying to cover up from the masses.
So the birth and life of Jesus surely affected the Israelites even though politicians are bent on hiding it from the people. Act 4:18;5:28


NO! God's word never said the whole world should accept him because that is not possible it has always been only a few people that used to be saved! Luke 17:25-30
This is not Islam where people should be forced to accept what they don't understand Jesus sent his own disciples to go and visit neighbors in their homes PREACHING (PLEADING) with them to calmly listen in order to grasp what is happening {Matthew 28:19-20} he never expected people in large numbers to accept him that's why he said his disciples will be persecuted and of course minority can't persecute the majority nah it's only the majority that will persecute the minority! Matthew 24:9
So it's not by force that you accept the Christ as your King after all you don't know why but as for humble people they will understand! Matthew 5:5 compare to Zephaniah 2:2-3

In your Acts 5:28 they filled Jerusalem with their teaching which includes Jesus is the Messiah?

Still the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah or the Jews are not of Jerusalem?

God never said the whole world and you are surpassing this to take this message to the whole world? ? ?

Stop spinning please

SIRTee15:
What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

How's that related here now?

Abeg carry your ignorance comot jare!

Alexander the Great was a Kafir!

Explore2xmore:
In your Acts 5:28 they filled Jerusalem with their teaching which includes Jesus is the Messiah?
Still the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah or the Jews are not of Jerusalem?
God never said the whole world and you are surpassing this to take this message to the whole world? ? ?
Stop spinning please

The message must be taken to the whole world for a witness against them that they had the opportunity to know the only true religion {Matthew 24:14} but only humble people will accept it just as it happened in the days of Noah!

God wants everyone in the world to hear about His coming government and the goodies that will come with it but it's left to each person whether you will accept or not.
The lie Islam is telling you is that prophets in the Bible are just talking about one God but that's not the truth!

MaxInDHouse:
The message must be taken to the whole world for a witness against them that they had the opportunity to know the only true religion {Matthew 24:14} but only humble people will accept it just as it happened in the days of Noah!

God wants everyone in the world to hear about His coming government and the goodies that will come with it but it's left to each person whether you will accept or not.
The lie Islam is telling you is that prophets in the Bible are just talking about one God but that's not the truth!

When your done turning logic on its head?

So you confirm the truth that the Bible is of many fake gods ?

Good to see you show yourself.

We have nothing to discuss more so your colleague in discussion dissociate Christianity from a monotheist one God

TenQ:
All from the Qur'an dictated by Allah


-Mariam (the sister of Aaron and Moses) became the Mother of Mary
Qur'an 19:27-28


-The Samaritan built the Idol/gold Calf for the Children of Israel during the time of Moses (meanwhile, the Samaritan did not exist 700 years after they left Egypt)
Qur'an 20:85-88, 95


-Alexander the Great (Dhul-qanain) was a Muslim prophet who received messages from Allah
Qur'an 18:89-98)


-Joseph was sold with Dirham (a currency of the Arab) which never existed at the time of Joseph etc.
Qur'an 12:20

Na wa o.

MaxInDHouse:
The two highlighted settles this issue!

If both Jews and Samaritans are wrong as you said then what does Jesus mean by saying "You don't know what you worship, we know what we worship Salvation is of the Jews"?

Of course he was telling the woman that Jews have the true religion.
Note her response to Jesus:

“I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” John 4:25

Here she's indirectly telling Jesus "why won't you side your own people? After all you are one of them, but when the Messiah comes he will tell us the truth about religion"

So it's about RELIGION.

Jesus himself PRACTICED RELIGION inside the temple of the Jews by assembling with other Jews!

Jesus didn't practice religion. What religion did Jesus practice?

What's the name of the religion Jesus was talking about? What name did Jesus give that religion?

Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews", He didn't says "Judahism is of the Jews" or "The true religion is of the Jews" but "SALVATION is of the Jews" .

Religion does not bring Salvation, otherwise everyone who practices religion will be saved. But this isn't the case with salvation.

SIRTee15:
Ok Qasim6

U know me and evidence are 5&6.
But let's leave that for another day.

Stop playing!
You and bringing evidence that has no substance is 5 and 6.
Bringing what some ancient Jews believed sometimes ago is not good enough, except if there is Prophetic backing to such beliefs.

They could have been wrong, they have no authority.

SIRTee15:
But what I want U to explain is why is the message of Jesus called Injeel.

First tell me ....the injeel is written in what language?

Now if the book given to Jesus isn't written in greek, why is the book given a greek name.

Why did Allah give a greek name to the book given to Jesus when he wasn't sent to the greek and the message was in native language of Jesus which is not greek.

The Injeel, or the revelation given to Jesus, was not initially a written text. Instead, it was likely transmitted orally, and Jesus disciples may have recorded it. It is most likely what Papias was describing that Matthew wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic. these early writings are now lost and are distinct from the canonical Gospels we know today.

The Gentile Christians which later became the predominant movement did not preserve this document because it was at odd with their beliefs because we know that the Christian sect that used this version of Matthew gospel were later declared heretic.

So the question is if Mathew indeed penned something down and it is not what was later named Mathew in the New testament, WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT AND WHO THE HELL FORGED ANOTHER FORGED DOCUMENT (MARK'S GOSPEL) THEY LATER NAMED MATHEW??

The Arabs might have been using the word injeel to mean the gospel of Jesus before Islam and it has already became a word they were familiar with. We know Injeel is the arabized form of euangelion and euangelion definitely the Greek translation of what it would have been in Aramaic because Mathew that we are told was the first to write the gospel wouldn't have named the document he wrote euangelion since he wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Just like Isa is more likely an arabized form of Iesous rather than Yeshua. and there is archeological evidence Isa was used by Arabs before Islam.

SIRTee15:
2. U mentioned the injeel is corrupt. Now I want U to confirm...was the injeel during the time of Muhammed already corrupted.
Muhammed lived around 6th and 7th century. Was the injeel already corrupted by this period?

Of course it has been corrupted long before the Prophet. But some of the teachings of Jesus Christ still find there way into the canonical gospels like the hypothetical Q gospel. so there is still some elements of truth in the forgeries.

Explore2xmore:
When your done turning logic on its head?
So you confirm the truth that the Bible is of many fake gods ?
Good to see you show yourself.
We have nothing to discuss more so your colleague in discussion dissociate Christianity from a monotheist one God

Your Islam didn't teach you liberalism and how to discuss with patience so you're free to end the discussion anyhow you like but know today that the Bible's message isn't about one God rather there are many as in MANY GODS that people throughout the earth worship each God is being worshiped based on their attributes.
The Bible God claims to be the only true God that's why He is doing certain things to prove that all others are nothing before him.
As for your Allah it's just one of the MANY GODS but claiming to be the same as that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
It's not just claims we need to figure out the one and only true God rather the true God must do certain things that no other can do that's what the Bible God promised and all the false GODS including your Allah has been trying to hide that truth from you diverting your attention to lies.
When you care to know what the Bible God promised which no other gods can do i'm here to enlighten you!

GothamCities:
Jesus didn't practice religion. What religion did Jesus practice?

Jesus PRACTICED the religion of his forefathers inside the temple in Jerusalem.
That's why he assembled with other Jews each time they want to do the passover which is the yearly religious rite God commanded Israelites to keep on doing but Samaritans can't do this because nobody recognize their nation or their temple so they don't practice passover.

GothamCities:
What's the name of the religion Jesus was talking about? What name did Jesus give that religion?

The religion God gave the descendants of Jacob (Israel) which they must continue practicing until the new covenant is established! Jeremiah 31:31-33

GothamCities:
Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews", He didn't says "Judahism is of the Jews" or "The true religion is of the Jews" but "SALVATION is of the Jews". Religion does not bring Salvation, otherwise everyone who practices religion will be saved. But this isn't the case with salvation.

There is a true religion that's what the disciples of Jesus practiced in the first century as they assemble together {Act 2:1-3} and Paul urged them not to forsake this {Hebrew 10:24-25} because anyone who stop practicing this religion can not be saved! Hebrews 10:26

PROVERBZ:
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After I was informed that Muslims referred to the teachings and message of Jesus as Injeel, which translates to "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it), I became even more confused because the title seems mismatched.
The theme of Jesus's message in Christianity is that he brought salvation for those previously condemned by the law. In this context, the title "Good News" makes sense.
Where it does not make sense is in Islam, where it is mismatched. The title for his message in Islam is Injeel, and it also translates to "Good News." The dilemma here is that, in Islam, there is no reason for the message to be referred to as "Good News." It is obviously mismatched. Most of my Muslim friends here would argue that Jesus didn't teach anything new and that, in fact, he preached the same message as the previous prophets before him.
This raises the question: Why is Jesus's message in Islam called "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it)?

Normally, this would not have been a setback if not for the way the word came about in Christianity: the message of salvation by believing in Christ (something Islam preaches against).

I thought to myself, maybe it’s borrowed from the Christians at the time because Muslims wanted to relate to them but didn’t have a word for it aside from that. However, after researching, I found out that the word Injeel was stated in the Qur'an (the supposed direct word of Allah).


--- cc antichristian antiislam

Islam is a confusion. They say it is the book God gave Jesus. Jesus never wrote any books nor received any books. He is the book to the whole world to read.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus PRACTICED the religion of his forefathers inside the temple in Jerusalem.
That's why he assembled with other Jews each time they want to do the passover which is the yearly religious rite God commanded Israelites to keep on doing but Samaritans can't do this because nobody recognize their nation or their temple so they don't practice passover.

Did He keep the Sabbath? Did He sacrifice animals? Did He stone people to death for adultery? All these and more were the practices of the religion of His fathers. Jesus did none of these, so how then did He practice the religion of His father's?

The religion God gave the descendants of Jacob (Israel) which they must continue practicing until the new covenant is established! Jeremiah 31:31-33

The religion was given until the new covenant as you said. After the new covenant was established what religion did God institute? Tell me explicitly where God established a religion in the new covenant.

There is a true religion that's what the disciples of Jesus practiced in the first century as they assemble together {Act 2:1-3} and Paul urged them not to forsake this {Hebrew 10:24-25} because anyone who stop practicing this religion can not be saved! Hebrews 10:26

Paul urged them not to forsake the gathering of brethren together. He never ever told them to stick to any religion.

When he was before Agrippa, Paul told Agrippa "After the WAY, which they call heresy worship I the God of my fathers."

Paul said he was in THE WAY. Not in the RELIGION. And who is the WAY? JESUS of course.

GothamCities:
Did He keep the Sabbath? Did He sacrifice animals? Did He stone people to death for adultery? All these and more were the practices of the religion of His fathers. Jesus did none of these, so how then did He practice the religion of His father's?

Now you acknowledged there was a RELIGION God handed over to the Israelites through His prophets of old.
Did Jesus assemble with practicers of this RELIGION in the first century?
Did he condemn the RELIGION?
Jesus observered everything the law says so if you don't understand how he did just ask for more understanding! Matthew 5:17

GothamCities:
The religion was given until the new covenant as you said. After the new covenant was established what religion did God institute? Tell me explicitly where God established a religion in the new covenant.

The Old Covenant foreshadow the New Covenant so both comes with religious rites. According to God's word the Old Covenant was established based on written codes e.g "You must not do this, You must not do that" and forms of practices that separates the nation given this RELIGION from all other nations {Exodus 19:5} but the New Covenant is like something written in the hearts of adherents by considering the thoughts, words and actions of the mediator of this New Covenant.
So unlike the former religion where adherents quote written laws for one another the New religion is about one man Jesus who is Christ and all practicers of this RELIGION must have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} as they keep on encouraging one another to stick to the thoughts, words and actions of their Master, Lord and King {Hebrews 10:24-25} this will make them have the same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

GothamCities:
Paul urged them not to forsake the gathering of brethren together. He never ever told them to stick to any religion.

When he was before Agrippa, Paul told Agrippa "After the WAY, which they call heresy worship I the God of my fathers."

Paul said he was in THE WAY. Not in the RELIGION. And who is the WAY? JESUS of course.

The Religion was called two names in the first century:
First century Jews used to call members of this RELIGION "The Way" {Act 9:2; 22:4} because the founder claimed that he is the Way {John 14:6} as the God of Israel promised His worshipers that when the New Covenant is established there will be a Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} so when Jesus said he is the Way Jews with sharp minds quickly recollected what is written in the book of Isaiah.
The second name this religion was called back then is "Christianity" because the disciples of it's founder kept telling everyone that their leader is the long awaited Christ! Act 11:26
But both names were temporary for a reason!

MaxInDHouse:
Your Islam didn't teach you liberalism and how to discuss with patience so you're free to end the discussion anyhow you like but know today that the Bible's message isn't about one God rather there are many as in MANY GODS that people throughout the earth worship each God is being worshiped based on their attributes.
The Bible God claims to be the only true God that's why He is doing certain things to prove that all others are nothing before him.
As for your Allah it's just one of the MANY GODS but claiming to be the same as that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
It's not just claims we need to figure out the one and only true God rather the true God must do certain things that no other can do that's what the Bible God promised and all the false GODS including your Allah has been trying to hide that truth from you diverting your attention to lies.
When you care to know what the Bible God promised which no other gods can do i'm here to enlighten you!

Fundamentally you have stated the existence of different gods for different places and people hence it's best to logically leave you to your beliefs. I believe in one God that created and sustains all things.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you acknowledged there was a RELIGION God handed over to the Israelites through His prophets of old.

We can call it religion but God Himself never said He was establishing religion a religion. If you think otherwise, tell us the name God gave His religion.

Did Jesus assemble with practicers of this RELIGION in the first century?
Did he condemn the RELIGION?
Jesus observered everything the law says so if you don't understand how he did just ask for more understanding! Matthew 5:17

He assembled with both religionists and sinners since He was sent to all men. Did Jesus offer sacrifices? Did He obey the Sabbath? Did Her stone fornicators? Did He do any of the ritualistic purifications? The religionists had 10 commandments they followed. Why did Jesus establish a new commandment by saying "a new commandment I give unto you."

Please answer the questions if you really want to drive home your point about Jesus creating religion.

The Old Covenant foreshadow the New Covenant so both comes with religious rites. According to God's word the Old Covenant was established based on written codes e.g "You must not do this, You must not do that" and forms of practices that separates the nation given this RELIGION from all other nations {Exodus 19:5} but the New Covenant is like something written in the hearts of adherents by considering the thoughts, words and actions of the mediator of this New Covenant.
So unlike the former religion where adherents quote written laws for one another the New religion is about one man Jesus who is Christ and all practicers of this RELIGION must have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} as they keep on encouraging one another to stick to the thoughts, words and actions of their Master, Lord and King {Hebrews 10:24-25} this will make them have the same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

A religion is something done in the flesh. However, in Christ Jesus, we are in the Spirit, and spirits don't have no religion.

Now, tell me the name of the religion God established. Tell me the name of the religion Jesus established. We know that there's no creator of religion who doesn't give his religion a name.

Paul called it a WAY. It is wrong for you to call it a RELIGION. If you think you're right, tell us the name Jesus called His religion.

The Religion was called two names in the first century:
First century Jews used to call members of this RELIGION "The Way" {Act 9:2; 22:4} because the founder claimed that he is the Way {John 14:6} as the God of Israel promised His worshipers that when the New Covenant is established there will be a Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} so when Jesus said he is the Way Jews with sharp minds quickly recollected what is written in the book of Isaiah.
The second name this religion was called back then is "Christianity" because the disciples of it's founder kept telling everyone that their leader is the long awaited Christ! Act 11:26
But both names were temporary for a reason!

Yeah, it is a WAY. And a WAY is not a religion. A religion is not a WAY.

The WAY provides direct access to God. Here, the WAY is a Person. That person is Jesus, and Jesus is not a religion.

A follower of the WAY is a follower of Jesus and not a follower of some religion.

MightySparrow:
Islam is a confusion. They say it is the book God gave Jesus. Jesus never wrote any books nor received any books. He is the book to the whole world to read.

Jesus is the book olodo!

So who wrote Jesus if Jesus is a book?
You're super confused yourself!

Explore2xmore:
Fundamentally you have stated the existence of different gods for different places and people hence it's best to logically leave you to your beliefs. I believe in one God that created and sustains all things.

And that God approves worshipers killing one another while the do called one God watches shey?

Ọmọ if your religion can't help resolve issues causing division, disparities and killings among worshipers know today that it's not the God of Abraham but a demon pretending and lying to deceive you!

MaxInDHouse:
And that God approves worshipers killing one another while the do called one God watches shey?

Ọmọ if your religion can't help resolve issues causing division, disparities and killings among worshipers know today that it's not the God of Abraham but a demon pretending and lying to deceive you!

Vain angle isn't this?

Your Bible talks of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, John the Baptist and other prophets killed or do we refer to the disciples/apostles of Jesus? What did the Biblical gods do about these?

GothamCities:
We can call it religion but God Himself never said He was establishing religion a religion. If you think otherwise, tell us the name God gave His religion.

Satan is the one who created false religions to confuse people like you the one and only true religion is what God established with the nation of Israel so if you think false religions just started without the original then you have lost it there is no fake thing without its original form. Satan initiated false religions and gave them different names!

GothamCities:
He assembled with both religionists and sinners since He was sent to all men. Did Jesus offer sacrifices? Did He obey the Sabbath? Did Her stone fornicators? Did He do any of the ritualistic purifications? The religionists had 10 commandments they followed. Why did Jesus establish a new commandment by saying "a new commandment I give unto you."
Please answer the questions if you really want to drive home your point about Jesus creating religion.

Jesus obeyed all that's why he told his friends that they should OBEY everything that's written in the law before the New Covenant is established! Matthew 23:2-3

GothamCities:
A religion is something done in the flesh. However, in Christ Jesus, we are in the Spirit, and spirits don't have no religion.
Now, tell me the name of the religion God established. Tell me the name of the religion Jesus established. We know that there's no creator of religion who doesn't give his religion a name.

Can you name a religion in the Bible in the old testament?
Come on!
It's after Jesus established a New Religion that Satan began multiplying false religions in the name of the God of Jacob! Matthew 13:25
So it's time you stop lying to your own souls.

GothamCities:
Paul called it a WAY. It is wrong for you to call it a RELIGION. If you think you're right, tell us the name Jesus called His religion. Yeah, it is a WAY. And a WAY is not a religion. A religion is not a WAY. The WAY provides direct access to God. Here, the WAY is a Person. That person is Jesus, and Jesus is not a religion. A follower of the WAY is a follower of Jesus and not a follower of some religion.

Funny you!
Jesus didn't mention a name but there are thousands of religions all claiming they are following Jesus with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines you should know that something is wrong somewhere if Jesus did mention one which of the thousands of different religious groups won't claim that's the name of their religion?

Explore2xmore:
Vain angle isn't this?
Your Bible talks of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, John the Baptist and other prophets killed or do we refer to the disciples/apostles of Jesus? What did the Biblical gods do about these?

So were worshipers of this God fighting and killing their fellow worshipers?
Of course that's ongoing dispute between light and darkness back then so there were people on God's side while there were those on Satan's side.
At least you can mention those on God's side in the Bible can you tell me those who are on God's side today?

MaxInDHouse:
Satan is the one who created false religions to confuse people like you the one and only true religion is what God established with the nation of Israel so if you think false religions just started without the original then you have lost it there is no fake thing without its original form. Satan initiated false religions and gave them different names!

Please tell us the name of the religion God created. Give us reference for where God announced that He has created a religion. Let us know the name God called it.

Jesus obeyed all that's why he told his friends that they should OBEY everything that's written in the law before the New Covenant is established! Matthew 23:2-3

You're yet to tell us the religion Jesus created and the name Jesus gave His religion.

Can you name a religion in the Bible in the old testament?
Come on!
It's after Jesus established a New Religion that Satan began multiplying false religions in the name of the God of Jacob! Matthew 13:25
So it's time you stop lying to your own souls.

There were many religions in the Bible. Baal, Queen of heaven, religion of Molech, Ashtoreth, Dragon,vetc.

Jesus met the religion of the Romans on earth. They had different gods including emperor godhood. The Greecians had their own too. All nations had their religion. The Babylonians did everything to make Daniel a proselyte.

Here are some of the major religions that existed before Jesus was born (approximately 4 BC):

1. Hinduism (circa 1500 BC): The Vedas, ancient Hindu scriptures, were composed around this time.

2. Zoroastrianism (circa 1200 BC): Founded by the Prophet Zoroaster in ancient Persia (modern-day Iran).

3. Buddhism (circa 563 BC): Founded by Siddhartha Gautama, known as the Buddha, in ancient India.

4. Taoism (circa 500 BC): Founded by Lao Tzu in ancient China.

5. Confucianism (circa 500 BC): Founded by Confucius in ancient China.

6. Shintoism (circa 500 BC): Indigenous spirituality of Japan.

7. Ancient Greek Religion (circa 800 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Zeus, Athena, and Apollo.

8. Roman Religion (circa 700 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Jupiter, Mars, and Venus.

9. Egyptian Religion (circa 3000 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Isis, Osiris, and Ra.

These religions had already established their own beliefs, practices, and scriptures before Jesus' birth.

Funny you!
Jesus didn't mention a name but there are thousands of religions all claiming they are following Jesus with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines you should know that something is wrong somewhere if Jesus did mention one which of the thousands of different religious groups won't claim that's the name of their religion?

Please tell me how a person became a religion. Jesus said He is the WAY. Paul said he is a follower of the WAY. The WAY is a Person. How did a person become a religion?

Also tell us how Jesus created His religion. The name He gave it and how He spoke about that religion.

GothamCities:
Please tell us the name of the religion God created. Give us reference for where God announced that He has created a religion. Let us know the name God called it. You're yet to tell us the religion Jesus created and the name Jesus gave His religion.

You're yet to mention the name of a single religion in the Bible!

GothamCities:
There were many religions in the Bible. Baal, Queen of heaven, religion of Molech, Ashtoreth, Dragon,vetc.

This are names of Gods worshiped in ancient times not RELIGION.

GothamCities:
Jesus met the religion of the Romans on earth. They had different gods including emperor godhood. The Greecians had their own too. All nations had their religion. The Babylonians did everything to make Daniel a proselyte.

What did the Bible call the name of Roman RELIGION?

GothamCities:
Here are some of the major religions that existed before Jesus was born (approximately 4 BC):
1. Hinduism (circa 1500 BC): The Vedas, ancient Hindu scriptures, were composed around this time.
2. Zoroastrianism (circa 1200 BC): Founded by the Prophet Zoroaster in ancient Persia (modern-day Iran).
3. Buddhism (circa 563 BC): Founded by Siddhartha Gautama, known as the Buddha, in ancient India.
4. Taoism (circa 500 BC): Founded by Lao Tzu in ancient China.
5. Confucianism (circa 500 BC): Founded by Confucius in ancient China.
6. Shintoism (circa 500 BC): Indigenous spirituality of Japan.
7. Ancient Greek Religion (circa 800 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Zeus, Athena, and Apollo.
8. Roman Religion (circa 700 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Jupiter, Mars, and Venus.
9. Egyptian Religion (circa 3000 BC): Polytheistic worship of gods like Isis, Osiris, and Ra.
These religions had already established their own beliefs, practices, and scriptures before Jesus' birth. Please tell me how a person became a religion. Jesus said He is the WAY. Paul said he is a follower of the WAY. The WAY is a Person. How did a person become a religion? Also tell us how Jesus created His religion. The name He gave it and how He spoke about that religion.

Can you quote where any of these were mentioned in the Bible?
Ọmọ all of them began calling their RELIGIONS one name or another after the establishment of Christianity as the disciples of Jesus were taking their RELIGIONS to their homes! Matthew 28:19-20
Even the Jews in Jesus' day haven't called their RELIGION "Judaism" that's why you can't find such a name in the Bible!

AntiChristian:
Jesus is the book olodo!

So who wrote Jesus if Jesus is a book?
You're super confused yourself!

John 1:1.