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MaxInDHouse:
You're yet to mention the name of a single religion in the Bible!


This are names of Gods worshiped in ancient times not RELIGION.

What did the Bible call the name of Roman RELIGION?

Can you quote where any of these were mentioned in the Bible?
Ọmọ all of them began calling their RELIGIONS one name or another after the establishment of Christianity as the disciples of Jesus were taking their RELIGIONS to their homes! Matthew 28:19-20
Even the Jews in Jesus' day haven't called their RELIGION "Judaism" that's why you can't find such a name in the Bible!

Can you tell me why they must be mentioned in the Bible for them to be recognized as religions that existed before Jesus was born?

MaxInDHouse:
You're yet to mention the name of a single religion in the Bible!


This are names of Gods worshiped in ancient times not RELIGION.

What did the Bible call the name of Roman RELIGION?

Can you quote where any of these were mentioned in the Bible?
Ọmọ all of them began calling their RELIGIONS one name or another after the establishment of Christianity as the disciples of Jesus were taking their RELIGIONS to their homes! Matthew 28:19-20
Even the Jews in Jesus' day haven't called their RELIGION "Judaism" that's why you can't find such a name in the Bible!

The Jews didn't call their religion Judahism because God didn't give them a religion. They were the ones who finally made it a religion.

What God gave the Israelites was this:

"This a way to please me. Just obey my commandments. If you sin, this is how you can appease me, and I'll forgive you. In exchange for pleasing me, I'll bless you and fight your battles."

That's all. Apart from that, God didn't give the Israelites any religion. The people were the ones who created a religion out of what God gave them.

GothamCities:
Can you tell me why they must be mentioned in the Bible for them to be recognized as religions that existed before Jesus was born?

At least to prove that RELIGIONS have names just as you claimed so go ahead and mention just one RELIGION as found in God's word the ultimate truth!

RELIGIONS existed but they don't have names it's after Jesus' disciples began taking their own RELIGION to people's homes that these people began calling their RELIGIONS different names to claim they also worship GOD and that Jesus' disciples shouldn't think they are the only group that knows GOD.
Then Satan and his demons began disguising using the Abrahamic faith as cover up to claim they are also worshiping the same God! 2 Corinthians 11:14

GothamCities:
The Jews didn't call their religion Judahism because God didn't give them a religion. They were the ones who finally made it a religion.
What God gave the Israelites was this:
"This a way to please me. Just obey my commandments. If you sin, this is how you can appease me, and I'll forgive you. In exchange for pleasing me, I'll bless you and fight your battles."
That's all. Apart from that, God didn't give the Israelites any religion. The people were the ones who created a religion out of what God gave them.

Perhaps you should define the word RELIGION at least to help you grasp that when people gather, sing, pray, and someone takes the lead in other activities while others respond positively it's RELIGION.
That's what God gave the Israelites, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never practiced such yet they believe the same God so what is the purpose of such arrangement if it's not a RELIGION?

MaxInDHouse:
So were worshipers of this God fighting and killing their fellow worshipers?
Of course that's ongoing dispute between light and darkness back then so there were people on God's side while there were those on Satan's side.
At least you can mention those on God's side in the Bible can you tell me those who are on God's side today?

Ignore your history like St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, Cromwellian conquest and the
the Ku Klux Klan that has used Christian language to rationalize their violent actions against Catholics and other non-Protestant communities.

Besides why does your god turn a blind eye to your alleged people of light being killed by the dark?

AntiChristian:
Jesus is the book olodo!

So who wrote Jesus if Jesus is a book?
You're super confused yourself!

Jesus is the message from Genesis to Revelation. All the books talk about Him and Him alone. This is Jesus' own words in the Gospel

John.5.39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Explore2xmore:
Ignore your history like St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, Cromwellian conquest and the
the Ku Klux Klan that has used Christian language to rationalize their violent actions against Catholics and other non-Protestant communities. Besides why does your god turn a blind eye to your alleged people of light being killed by the dark?

You're mixing things up Mr Muslim after Jesus of Nazareth has come to establish preaching and teaching globally any religion supporting war is no longer on God's side. So if you know any religion whose members are part of the worldly forces such ones aren't followers of the Christ who commanded his disciples to love and pray for their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

According to your Islam there was a time your Allah have nothing against some things but due to misuse of privileges your god will send words to your prophet telling Muslims to stop such things so don't be hypocritical now the Bible God supported wars to protect the Holy city (Jerusalem) and the temple which is the representation of pure worship back then but from the very day Jesus declared that pure worship is no longer about a geographical location {John 4:24} worshipers of the true God knew that there is no reason to pick up weapons against their neighbors.
WHY?
There is nothing to protect again using weapons {Matthew 26:52} even their very life is safe in the hands of the God who promised them a resurrection {Matthew 10:28} but as for those thinking weapons will save them let's see how long they will protect it from death! Matthew 10:39

GOSPEL MEANS GOOD NEWS SO INJEEL IS ARABIC.

Qasim6:
Stop playing!
You and bringing evidence that has no substance is 5 and 6.
Bringing what some ancient Jews believed sometimes ago is not good enough, except if there is Prophetic backing to such beliefs.

They could have been wrong, they have no authority.

Ok I've heard U.
Today is not the day for that.
Let's thrash out the injeel.

Qasim6:
The Injeel, or the revelation given to Jesus, was not initially a written text. Instead, it was likely transmitted orally, and Jesus disciples may have recorded it. It is most likely what Papias was describing that Matthew wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic. these early writings are now lost and are distinct from the canonical Gospels we know today.

The Gentile Christians which later became the predominant movement did not preserve this document because it was at odd with their beliefs because we know that the Christian sect that used this version of Matthew gospel were later declared heretic.

I asked U b4 and I will asked U again. Have I heard of Didache? Who used it?

Qasim6:
So the question is if Mathew indeed penned something down and it is not what was later named Mathew in the New testament, WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT AND WHO THE HELL FORGED ANOTHER FORGED DOCUMENT (MARK'S GOSPEL) THEY LATER NAMED MATHEW??

Dont disturb your head. The gospels books were not called Matthew, Luke, John or Mark in the 1st century. They were not even known as gospel until the 2nd century.
The gospels were initially called the memoir of the apostles. That was the name early Christians called them.
So stop barking at the wrong tree regarding name of gospel. Focus on the injeel.

Qasim6:
The Arabs might have been using the word injeel to mean the gospel of Jesus before Islam and it has already became a word they were familiar with. We know Injeel is the arabized form of euangelion and euangelion definitely the Greek translation of what it would have been in Aramaic because Mathew that we are told was the first to write the gospel wouldn't have named the document he wrote euangelion since he wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Just like Isa is more likely an arabized form of Iesous rather than Yeshua. and there is archeological evidence Isa was used by Arabs before Islam.

Guy I'm not interested in your verbose obviously made up fake theory. I'm not here to discuss the Christian gospel.
I'm asking U about the injeel. ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO JESUS THE INJEEL.
THE INJEEL IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN AND QURAN IS MEANT TO BE ETERNAL.

MY QUESTION IS CLEAR,.DONT ANSWER Question I DIDNT ASK U...

1. THE INJEEL IS WRITTEN IN WHAT LANGUAGE?

2. IF INJEEL IS NOT WRITTEN IN GREEK, THEN HOW COME THE BOOK HAS A GREEK NAME.

3. WHAT IS THE NAME ALLAH GAVE TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF JESUS CALLED.
WHAT DID JESUS CALL HIS MESSAGE.

EVERY MESSAGE SENT BY ALLAH HAS A NAME

ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO MOSES THE TAWRAH
ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO DAVID THE ZABUR
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS AS GIVEN BY ALLAH.
WHAT DID ALLAH CALL THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
ALLAH SAID IN THE QUR'AN 'WE GAVE THE INJEEL TO PROPHET ISA'
WHY DID ALLAH ASCRIBED A GREEK NAME TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS IF THE MESSAGE IS FOR THE JEWS?

Qasim6:
Of course it has been corrupted long before the Prophet. But some of the teachings of Jesus Christ still find there way into the canonical gospels like the hypothetical Q gospel. so there is still some elements of truth in the forgeries.

Ok are U saying the gospel circulating during the time of muhammed- 6th and 7th century period was corrupt.
I will like U to confirm above.
because I don't want U to change mouth later when I bring evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
At least to prove that RELIGIONS have names just as you claimed so go ahead and mention just one RELIGION as found in God's word the ultimate truth!

I don't consider it a logical demand. Is the Bible a book created for listing religions? Religions existed before Christ was born. It doesn't matter whether they were mentioned in the Bible or not.

Your argument that there was no religion until Christ established His own religion before Satan started creating religions is false.

The religions you claimed Satan created, are they in the Bible that you're telling me to name religions in the Bible before Christ?

RELIGIONS existed but they don't have names it's after Jesus' disciples began taking their own RELIGION to people's homes that these people began calling their RELIGIONS different names to claim they also worship GOD and that Jesus' disciples shouldn't think they are the only group that knows GOD.
Then Satan and his demons began disguising using the Abrahamic faith as cover up to claim they are also worshiping the same God! 2 Corinthians 11:14

Religions existed and had names. Please go find a book of World Religions to educated yourself. For example, the Buddhists and Hindus identified themselves as Buddhists and Hindus long before Christ was born!

Neither Jesus nor His disciples established any religion.

Paul said "I worship the God of my fathers through the WAY which you call heresy." If he was practising religion, he would have said "I worship the God of my fathers through the RELIGION which you call heresy.'

Please let's abide by the Truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you should define the word RELIGION at least to help you grasp that when people gather, sing, pray, and someone takes the lead in other activities while others respond positively it's RELIGION.
That's what God gave the Israelites, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never practiced such yet they believe the same God so what is the purpose of such arrangement if it's not a RELIGION?

All those things you describe as religion are things done and created by men.

God only instituted a WAY to get Him. That WAY is Jesus.

Live holy, obey God's commands and let Jesus and His Holy Spirit dwell in your heart. That's all what God demand from us. Every other thing you do is religion.

As far as God is concerned, you can praise God anyhow, anywhere and in any position as long as you're doing it in spirit and in truth.

Micah 6:8
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man."

This is all what God needs from you. Every other thing you do is religion! God didn't establish religion.

MaxInDHouse:
You're mixing things up Mr Muslim after Jesus of Nazareth has come to establish preaching and teaching globally any religion supporting war is no longer on God's side. So if you know any religion whose members are part of the worldly forces such ones aren't followers of the Christ who commanded his disciples to love and pray for their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

According to your Islam there was a time your Allah have nothing against some things but due to misuse of privileges your god will send words to your prophet telling Muslims to stop such things so don't be hypocritical now the Bible God supported wars to protect the Holy city (Jerusalem) and the temple which is the representation of pure worship back then but from the very day Jesus declared that pure worship is no longer about a geographical location {John 4:24} worshipers of the true God knew that there is no reason to pick up weapons against their neighbors.
WHY?
There is nothing to protect again using weapons {Matthew 26:52} even their very life is safe in the hands of the God who promised them a resurrection {Matthew 10:28} but as for those thinking weapons will save them let's see how long they will protect it from death! Matthew 10:39

You mean the cases I listed were before Jesus came?

MightySparrow:
Jesus is the message from Genesis to Revelation. All the books talk about Him and Him alone. This is Jesus' own words in the Gospel

John.5.39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Where is Jesus mentioned in Genesis and why Jews no see am since?

MightySparrow:
John 1:1.

Where does it says Jesus is the logos?

GothamCities:
I don't consider it a logical demand. Is the Bible a book created for listing religions? Religions existed before Christ was born. It doesn't matter whether they were mentioned in the Bible or not.

Your argument that there was no religion until Christ established His own religion before Satan started creating religions is false.

The religions you claimed Satan created, are they in the Bible that you're telling me to name religions in the Bible before Christ?


Religions existed and had names. Please go find a book of World Religions to educated yourself. For example, the Buddhists and Hindus identified themselves as Buddhists and Hindus long before Christ was born!

Neither Jesus nor His disciples established any religion.

Paul said "I worship the God of my fathers through the WAY which you call heresy." If he was practising religion, he would have said "I worship the God of my fathers through the RELIGION which you call heresy.'

Please let's abide by the Truth.

Don't misquote me!

I never said there was no religion before Jesus what i'm telling you is that they don't identify themselves with different religious names!

GothamCities:
As far as God is concerned, you can praise God anyhow, anywhere and in any position as long as you're doing it in spirit and in truth.

This is a lie!

If people can do what you're saying then there is no reason why people must gather together to take instructions from few ones who are taking the lead! Act 2:42; Hebrews 10:24-25; 13:7,17

According to God's word all worshipers of the true God must have the same line of thought regarding worship {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

This can only be possible if we are been taught by the same group! Matthew 28:18-20

Explore2xmore:
You mean the cases I listed were before Jesus came?

After Jesus anyone fighting to kill people is not a worshiper of the true God!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!

If people can do what you're saying then there is no reason why people must gather together to take instructions from few ones who are taking the lead! Act 2:42; Hebrews 10:24-25; 13:7,17

Can you prove that gathering together takes anyone to heaven or makes anyone escape eternal damnation? Can you prove that EVERYONE who has gathered with others and are now dead are now undoubtedly assured of their eternity with God on the basis of their gatherings while alive?

Whether you gather or not, everything boils down to what the Bible calls THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. Don't add anything to it! If you think otherwise, answer the questions I asked you in my first paragraph above. Then, also tell us the fate of several people who found themselves in situations whereby the could not even afford to gather together with a gathering. If you're talking about gathering, even Satan's people also gather but they cannot fulfil the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Scriptures.

According to God's word all worshipers of the true God must have the same line of thought regarding worship {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Can you show me where the scriptures have said that having the same line of thoughts is what you need to have eternal peace with God? Eve. Satan's people also do have the same line of thoughts but they cannot fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Bible.

This can only be possible if we are been taught by the same group! Matthew 28:18-20

There are many same groups teaching different things. At the end of the day, what matters is who is fulfilling the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN according to the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Don't misquote me!

I never said there was no religion before Jesus what i'm telling you is that they don't identify themselves with different religious names!

And I am telling you that they did identify themselves under different religions names!

Go find a book of World Religions and study.

MaxInDHouse:
After Jesus anyone fighting to kill people is not a worshiper of the true God!

The truth is they are still fighting.

GothamCities:
And I am telling you that they did identify themselves under different religions names!
Go find a book of World Religions and study.

There is no book of world religion that will not mention CHRISTIANITY as one of the religions nah!
So why referring to what you yourself disagree with? l

GothamCities:
Can you prove that gathering together takes anyone to heaven or makes anyone escape eternal damnation? Can you prove that EVERYONE who has gathered with others and are now dead are now undoubtedly assured of their eternity with God on the basis of their gatherings while alive?

Whether you gather or not, everything boils down to what the Bible calls THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. Don't add anything to it! If you think otherwise, answer the questions I asked you in my first paragraph above. Then, also tell us the fate of several people who found themselves in situations whereby the could not even afford to gather together with a gathering. If you're talking about gathering, even Satan's people also gather but they cannot fulfil the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Scriptures.


Can you show me where the scriptures have said that having the same line of thoughts is what you need to have eternal peace with God? Eve. Satan's people also do have the same line of thoughts but they cannot fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN as outlined in the Bible.



There are many same groups teaching different things. At the end of the day, what matters is who is fulfilling the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN according to the scriptures.

Jesus won't be with those who refused to GATHER with other worshipers! Matthew 18:20

Explore2xmore:
The truth is they are still fighting.

WHO?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus won't be with those who refused to GATHER with other worshipers! Matthew 18:20

That's not the question I asked you!

MaxInDHouse:
There is no book of world religion that will not mention CHRISTIANITY as one of the religions nah!
So why referring to what you yourself disagree with? l

Yeah, that's man's method - Religion. Hence, you'll find religions before Christ, during Christ and after Christ in any book of World Religions you may lay your hands on.

God didn't institute any religion, He only instituted a WAY which is JESUS. Man applied his own method and turned the WAY into a religion. God didn't create religion. All what God wants from you is to fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN AS outlined in the Scriptures!

GothamCities:
That's not the question I asked you!

If you like ignore what God's only begotten son said, as for me and my household we will take what Jesus said seriously.
He said:

"For where there are two or three GATHERED TOGETHER in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

So we must GATHER with fellow believers if we expect Jesus in our midst! Hebrews 10:24-25

GothamCities:
Yeah, that's man's method - Religion. Hence, you'll find religions before Christ, during Christ and after Christ in any book of World Religions you may lay your hands on. God didn't institute any religion, He only instituted a WAY which is JESUS. Man applied his own method and turned the WAY into a religion. God didn't create religion. All what God wants from you is to fulfil THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN AS outlined in the Scriptures!

RELIGION is GATHERING TOGETHER, PRAYING, SINGING and DOING what Jesus commanded as a GROUP!

MaxInDHouse:
RELIGION is GATHERING TOGETHER, PRAYING, SINGING and DOING what Jesus commanded as a GROUP!

Give me your Bible reference that defined religion this way.

MaxInDHouse:
If you like ignore what God's only begotten son said, as for me and my household we will take what Jesus said seriously.
He said:

"For where there are two or three GATHERED TOGETHER in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20

So we must GATHER with fellow believers if we expect Jesus in our midst! Hebrews 10:24-25

Lol.

He promised to be where two or more gathered in His name. He also promised to be with us individually till the end of the age.

Mathew 28:20
"And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Where did He command that you must gather in order to have eternal life? Lol.

GothamCities:
Give me your Bible reference that defined religion this way.

The word "RELIGION" is new what people call it in ancient times is "WORSHIP" that's why you can't find any name of a religion in the Bible as for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there is rules guiding His worshipers as in those practicing that RELIGION!

MaxInDHouse:
WHO?

You are fighting to deny that despite a claimed belief in Jesus killing and fighting still occurs among the so called adherents.

GothamCities:
Lol.
He promised to be where two or more gathered in His name. He also promised to be with us individually till the end of the age.
Mathew 28:20
"And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Where did He command that you must gather in order to have eternal life? Lol.

Are you sure the "YOU" here is individually or reminding them what he said at Matthew 18:20?