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Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

Jokerman:
Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

That is for the almighty to answer
You that know now and know what you want focus on it

They're waiting for you.

Righthussle:
They're waiting for you.

Not yet my time in Jesus name.

I don't know about you

Jokerman:
Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

Some are in heaven, some in hell.

Here's why:

The scriptures say:

1. 1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

Christ preached to the imprisoned spirits in hell when He died for 3 days. Those who received His message resurrected and went to heaven. The Scriptures say that when Christ died, many dead saints resurrected and were seen on the streets of Jerusalem.

This position is corroborated by the following scriptures:

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV):

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

This is one of the great significance of Jesus' death on the cross. If He didn't die, the dead would be left out of God's plan for salvation.

Ephesians 4:8-10 also says:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' (What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

These scriptures suggest that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient during the time of Noah (1 Peter 3:20), and that He proclaimed the gospel to those who were dead.

GothamCities:
Some are in heaven, some in hell.

Here's why:

You're referring to the biblical account of Jesus' descent into the underworld after His crucifixion.

Here are the relevant scriptures:

The scriptures say:

1. 1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

Christ preached to the imprisoned spirits in hell when He died for 3 days. Those who received His message resurrected and went to heaven. The Scriptures say that when Christ died, many dead saints resurrected and were seen on the streets of Jerusalem.

This position is corroborated by the following scriptures:

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV):

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

This is one of the great significance of Jesus' death on the cross. If He didn't die, the dead would be left out of God's plan for salvation.

Ephesians 4:8-10 also says:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' (What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

These scriptures suggest that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient during the time of Noah (1 Peter 3:20), and that He proclaimed the gospel to those who were dead.

Exactly!!!

Jokerman:
Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

Is there a difference between hell and Hades? If yes, explain.

GothamCities:
Some are in heaven, some in hell.

Here's why:

The scriptures say:

1. 1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

Christ preached to the imprisoned spirits in hell when He died for 3 days. Those who received His message resurrected and went to heaven. The Scriptures say that when Christ died, many dead saints resurrected and were seen on the streets of Jerusalem.

This position is corroborated by the following scriptures:

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV):

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

This is one of the great significance of Jesus' death on the cross. If He didn't die, the dead would be left out of God's plan for salvation.

Ephesians 4:8-10 also says:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' (What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

These scriptures suggest that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient during the time of Noah (1 Peter 3:20), and that He proclaimed the gospel to those who were dead.

So are you saying that salvation is still open for people who have died?
What about our forefathers who died after Jesus left the earth? Are some of them also in heaven? When did Christ preach to them?

Michael547:
So are you saying that salvation is still open for people who have died?
What about our forefathers who died after Jesus left the earth? Are some of them also in heaven? When did Christ preach to them?

No, salvation isn't still open to those who have died. We're talking about those who died before Jesus died and resurrected.

For those who died without ever hearing of Jesus after Jesus had completed the work of salvation, such as our forefathers, this is what the scriptures say:

Romans 2:12-15:

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

God will judge those people such as our forefathers who have not heard the Gospel, neither know the law of Moses before they died according to their conscience. The conscience is the law of God written in the heart of every man.

GothamCities:
No, salvation isn't still open to those who have died. We're talking about those who died before Jesus died and resurrected.

For those who died without ever hearing of Jesus after Jesus had completed the work of salvation, such as our forefathers, this is what the scriptures say:

Romans 2:12-15:

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

God will judge those people such as our forefathers who have not heard the Gospel, neither know the law of Moses before they died according to their conscience. The conscience is the law of God written in the heart of every man.

So did Apostle Paul say that those who died without knowing Jesus before Jesus came to earth had no conscience? So why are they not judged according to their conscience too?

lol

GothamCities:
Some are in heaven, some in hell.

Here's why:

The scriptures say:

1. 1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

Christ preached to the imprisoned spirits in hell when He died for 3 days. Those who received His message resurrected and went to heaven. The Scriptures say that when Christ died, many dead saints resurrected and were seen on the streets of Jerusalem.

This position is corroborated by the following scriptures:

1 Peter 4:6 (NIV):

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

This is one of the great significance of Jesus' death on the cross. If He didn't die, the dead would be left out of God's plan for salvation.

Ephesians 4:8-10 also says:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' (What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

These scriptures suggest that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient during the time of Noah (1 Peter 3:20), and that He proclaimed the gospel to those who were dead.

Absolutely! That's it; you're so on point.

GothamCities:
No, salvation isn't still open to those who have died. We're talking about those who died before Jesus died and resurrected.

For those who died without ever hearing of Jesus after Jesus had completed the work of salvation, such as our forefathers, this is what the scriptures say:

Romans 2:12-15:

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

God will judge those people such as our forefathers who have not heard the Gospel, neither know the law of Moses before they died according to their conscience. The conscience is the law of God written in the heart of every man.

This is my question bro.

You know that without Jesus Christ, no one can enter heaven. And since judgement of God will happen at the last day.

Now where is there soul waiting? In Hell fire or in Hades?

Michael547:
Is there a difference between hell and Hades? If yes, explain.

From what I know, Hell Fire is the place where sinners and enemies of God are currently punished in spirit form after they dropped the flesh, and waiting for their lot on the last day.

While Hades, is the abode of the dead...

I stand to be corrected

Jokerman:
From what I know, Hell Fire is the place where sinners and enemies of God are currently punished in spirit form after they dropped the flesh, and waiting for their lot on the last day.

While Hades, is the abode of the dead...

I stand to be corrected

So do you have any biblical back up for these ideas?

Jokerman:
This is my question bro.

You know that without Jesus Christ, no one can enter heaven. And since judgement of God will happen at the last day.

Now where is there soul waiting? In Hell fire or in Hades?

Oh, that was part of your questions. I forgot to answer it. My apologies.

The question will require a broad biblical exposition but I'll make a summarized presentation with biblical references where necessary. The Bible didn't give any explicit information about it but we can draw a lot of inferences and insights from different biblical contexts.

1. Judging from the the Parable of Jesus about the rich man and Lazarus, we can deduce that SOME dead souls are already in heaven while SOME are already in hell. I used the word 'SOME' because there are other Biblical references to some others who are not yet in heaven or hell.

2. There's another Scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us where some of the dead were retrieved from for the final judgement of God.

Revelation 20:13:

"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."

This Scripture gives us another insight about where the souls of the dead are kept. Some are in the place of the dead were there is just total silence until the day of judgement.

From the Parable of Jesus, we can deduce that some people can so do wickedly that they're immediately transported to hell at death. Some people can so live righteously also that they're immediately transported to heaven at death, while some actually remain in the place of silence until the judgement day.

Let's look at another Scripture:

Revelation 6:9-10: "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?'"

From this Scripture, you'll see that there's another place called THE ALTAR where those souls who were martyred for their service to God are kept. These ones are not in silence, and are going to give their voice calling for judgement on the wicked bloodletters at the end of time. The Bible didn't tell us what they're currently doing under THE ALTAR but we can deduce that they're not in a place of silence.

So, I think we can understand from the scriptures shared above that the dead are not in any particular single place presently. Those who died without hearing of Christ and those who died having giving their lives to Christ are most probably in a place of silence presently. Those who died as martyrs for Christ are under an altar prepared for them of God. Those who died in serious wickedness are most probably in hell. Those who served God remarkably are most probably now in heaven.

I used the word 'most probably' because they're my personal deductions from what I could read in the Scriptures. My reader can choose to either believe them or not. I am not talking as an absolute authority on the matter.

Michael547:
So did Apostle Paul say that those who died without knowing Jesus before Jesus came to earth had no conscience? So why are they not judged according to their conscience too?

They're all judged according to their conscience. Please read my post again.

GothamCities:
They're all judged according to their conscience. Please read my post again.

So why did Christ still go to preach to those who died without knowing him before he came to earth according to you?

Jokerman:
Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

Did you not read the bible to see that no man or angel is in hellfire until after they have been Judged by God in HIs Court?

GothamCities:
They're all judged according to their conscience. Please read my post again.

See, you are full of rubbish and you speak lies, oya, answer is his questions for i know in the end you would not be able to justify your answer.

Michael547:
So why did Christ still go to preach to those who died without knowing him before he came to earth according to you?

Jokerman:
From what I know, Hell Fire is the place where sinners and enemies of God are currently punished in spirit form after they dropped the flesh, and waiting for their lot on the last day.

While Hades, is the abode of the dead...

I stand to be corrected

Is it not on the last day that day shall be cast into hellfire?

VEHINTOLAR:
Absolutely! That's it; you're so on point.

Wrong!

He only proved that they are in hell (not hellfire, which is the place where the punishment is to be served).

He did not show where and when the dead are taking to heaven after they died.

See it, he said
by GothamCities: 10:23am
Some are in heaven, some in hell.
Here's why:

GothamCities:
Oh, that was part of your questions. I forgot to answer it. My apologies.

The question will require a broad biblical exposition but I'll make a summarized presentation with biblical references where necessary. The Bible didn't give any explicit information about it but we can draw a lot of inferences and insights from different biblical contexts.

1. Judging from the the Parable of Jesus about the rich man and Lazarus, we can deduce that SOME dead souls are already in heaven while SOME are already in hell. I used the word 'SOME' because there are other Biblical references to some others who are not yet in heaven or hell.

2. There's another Scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us where some of the dead were retrieved from for the final judgement of God.

Revelation 20:13:

"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."

This Scripture gives us another insight about where the souls of the dead are kept. Some are in the place of the dead were there is just total silence until the day of judgement.

From the Parable of Jesus, we can deduce that some people can so do wickedly that they're immediately transported to hell at death. Some people can so live righteously also that they're immediately transported to heaven at death, while some actually remain in the place of silence until the judgement day.

Let's look at another Scripture:

Revelation 6:9-10: "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?'"

From this Scripture, you'll see that there's another place called THE ALTAR where those souls who were martyred for their service to God are kept. These ones are not in silence, and are going to give their voice calling for judgement on the wicked bloodletters at the end of time. The Bible didn't tell us what they're currently doing under THE ALTAR but we can deduce that they're not in a place of silence.

So, I think we can understand from the scriptures shared above that the dead are not in any particular single place presently. Those who died without hearing of Christ and those who died having giving their lives to Christ are most probably in a place of silence presently. Those who died as martyrs for Christ are under an altar prepared for them of God. Those who died in serious wickedness are most probably in hell. Those who served God remarkably are most probably now in heaven.

I used the word 'most probably' because they're my personal deductions from what I could read in the Scriptures. My reader can choose to either believe them or not. I am not talking as an absolute authority on the matter.

Great explanation

Michael547:
So why did Christ still go to preach to those who died without knowing him before he came to earth according to you?

Was I the one who said it or the scriptures?

1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

1 Peter 4:6:
"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."


Ephesians 4:8-10:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' ([b]What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

I know you're a Jehovah Witness trying to bring up heretic arguments. Those are the scriptures, not my own words. So, go and ask the questions to the Bible and stop saying "according to you." You opened your eyes and read the scriptures yourself. Go open your Bible and read those verses. Thank you.

GothamCities:
Was I the one who said it or the scriptures?

1 Peter 3:18-20:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—"

1 Peter 4:6:
"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."


Ephesians 4:8-10:

"This is why it says: 'When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.' ([b]What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)"

I know you're a Jehovah Witness trying to bring up heretic arguments. Those are they scriptures, not my own words. So, go and ask the questions to the Bible and stop saying "according to you." You opened your eyes and read the scriptures yourself. Go open your Bible and read those verses. Thank you.

So according to 1 Peter 4:6, where the dead when they were preached to? Why did Jesus need to preach to them since they are to be judged by what they did when they were alive according to their conscience?

Michael547:
So according to 1 Peter 4:6, where the dead when they were preached to?

Is 1 Peter 4:6 the only Scripture I gave you?

Why did Jesus need to preach to them since they are to be judged by what they did when they were alive according to their conscience?

Is the answer not there in the same 1 Peter 4:6?

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

Don't come here telling me "according to you." I only quoted the Scriptures!

GothamCities:
Is 1 Peter 4:6 the only Scripture I gave you?



Is the answer not there in the same 1 Peter 4:6?

"For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit."

Don't come here telling me "according to you." I only quoted the Scriptures!

So I have asked you countless times why Jesus preached to them. What was the purpose of preaching to them since they were already judged by what they did before they died according to their conscience?


Did the bible say that the dead were in hell when they were preached to? If yes, was Jesus overturning the judgment that took them to hell?

Jokerman:
Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus.

Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

In Sheol, awaiting the great white throne judgment at the second resurrection.

They will be judged according to their deeds, and will make it to the new earth if their names are found in the book of life. Revelation 20 v 12-15.

That explains how our forefathers will be judged. That explains how the hidden tribes in the Amazon and Sentinel islands would be judged. According to their deeds, and they have their conscience bearing witness of the good or evil they have done. Romans 2 v 13-16.

Jokerman:
➜Please what happened to souls that died without knowing or seeing Jesus. Are they in hell, heaven or still in Hades?

The answer to this would depend on the particular doctrine of your Christian denomination. There are over 45,000 different twists to the Christian idea so bringing this here will not help you at all. Only your Daddy GOs/GBs/Bishops/Priests/Popes/Prophets, etc., can fill in this gap for you!

Jokerman:
This is my question bro.

You know that without Jesus Christ, no one can enter heaven. And since judgement of God will happen at the last day.

Now where is there soul waiting? In Hell fire or in Hades?

But the same Jesus said

1. “Only the pure in heart will see God”
2. “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”

Michael547:
So I have asked you countless times why Jesus preached to them. What was the purpose of preaching to them since they were already judged by what they did before they died according to their conscience?

If you cannot see the reason as stated in 1Peter 4:6, I can't help you.

Did the bible say that the dead were in hell when they were preached to? If yes, was Jesus overturning the judgment that took them to hell?

1Peter 3:20 says Jesus went and preached to imprisoned spirits. Where are spirits imprisoned?

You should ask the Bible that said it. Why asking me whether Jesus went to overturn the judgement? And who told you that a judgement has already taken place? Did I tell you that? Am I the one who said Jesus was in hell to preach to those who are dead?

OkCornel:
In Sheol, awaiting the great white throne judgment at the second resurrection.

They will be judged according to their deeds, and will make it to the new earth if their names are found in the book of life. Revelation 20 v 12-15.

That explains how our forefathers will be judged. That explains how the hidden tribes in the Amazon and Sentinel islands would be judged. According to their deeds, and they have their conscience bearing witness of the good or evil they have done. Romans 2 v 13-16.

Thanks bro...