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Michael547:
So the videos on social media where pastors make these statements are false videos?

DrAda:
I guess you all are becoming enlightened..

Welcome to reality. Tithing is not mandatory. Same with salvation. It's entirely up to you..

Personally, I have never paid tithe to a church. What I occasionally do, emphasis on "occasionally", is to give part of my salary to people in need.

A I losing favours or grace because of it? I honestly can't tell and neither cna anyone

jesusjnr2020:
So do not fall for the numerous false teachings and heresies of the prosperity preachers that you have to tithe or seek after prosperity to prosper.

The instance of king Solomon in the bible alone already proves that notion to utterly false and baseless.

If it were by tithing or seeking after such things, the Pharisees would have been some of the richest men ever, because they loved tithing more than anything else and were highly covetous men, yet instead of God giving them exceeding riches as He gave Solomon, it was an abundance of rebuke that Jesus gave to them because of their covetousness which made them placed monetary matters as tithing above things that were more important to God.

That also suggests why God never made any man world richest in the Bible because of tithing, because there were things that mattered more to Him, as those Jesus spoke about when rebuking the Pharisees.[/b]

That's the sort of thing Solomon sought after instead of financial prosperity or earthly riches for himself that made God enrich him above anyone else before or even after him.

It was also the sort Job sought after that made God also enrich him above anyone else in the East (which includes the whole of the Asian continent). So his wasn't also via tithing. Job 1:3,10, 42:12.

Therefore you have a greater chance of being world's richest if you seek after God and the things that matter most to Him even as King Solomon and also Job did, instead of earthly riches and prosperity for yourself as do these prosperity seeking preachers.

That's also aligns with the teachings of Jesus which teaches us not to seek after such things as the gentiles do, but to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first, and all these things shall be added unto us. Matthew 6:32-33

God bless.

gohf:
Those believers are not the ones in Christ who believe in the price Jesus paid to set them free.

Jesus asked Peter, who pays, sons or strangers and Peter said strangers, to which Jesus responded to the sons are free

Who the son of man sets free is free indeed

But the devil uses men blinds them and puts them under the bondage of the law promising them blessings.

A soul that is won is one that endures until the end OBEYING THE WORDS OF JESUS and not the doctrines and traditions of men. Those who love and give food, water and clothes who are righteous in the sight of God, not those who mismanage what the Lord has given them and giving it to shrines and idols in the name of churches.

Did they do God's will or their own will.

jesusjnr2020:
When You Realize Tithing Didn't Make Solomon Or Elon Musk World Richest Men

The length to which the prosperity preachers were taking the matter of tithing, one would think tithing has made many tithers, themselves inclusive, the richest men in the world, however that couldn't be any further from the truth, because tithing has never made any man to become world's richest, not even one.

Even king Solomon, the only man the Bible called world's richest, it wasn't tithing that made him to become the richest man in history.

In fact God Himself (who made Solomon richer than all those who lived before and after him) said the reason He gave Solomon such an unprecedented amount of riches, was because Solomon didn't ask for riches for himself, but the things that mattered to God.

1 Kings 3:11-13 (KJV)

And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.
And I have also given thee that which thou hast not asked, both riches, and honour: so that there shall not be any among the kings like unto thee all thy days.

God bless.

afadi2410:
Wait,I want to ask one question,was there anywhere in the bible where God said he will make tithers the richest people in the world?

blowjohn:
But fuel issue is not stale ba?

At least people are making decisions about tithes.
Can u do same for ur fuel issues that has plagued u for decades?

gohf:
Those believers are not the ones in Christ who believe in the price Jesus paid to set them free.

Jesus asked Peter, who pays, sons or strangers and Peter said strangers, to which Jesus responded to the sons are free

Who the son of man sets free is free indeed

But the devil uses men blinds them and puts them under the bondage of the law promising them blessings.

A soul that is won is one that endures until the end OBEYING THE WORDS OF JESUS and not the doctrines and traditions of men. Those who love and give food, water and clothes who are righteous in the sight of God, not those who mismanage what the Lord has given them and giving it to shrines and idols in the name of churches.

Did they do God's will or their own will.

gohf:
This here is obedience not quoting because she needs me to tell her but you all reading to see an example of what you should do and not wait till death and hear why didn't you live like her.


We all have a choice follow those doing God's will whether they know bible or not, follow them, no excuse will save anyone on that day

jesusjnr2020:
When You Realize Tithing Didn't Make Solomon Or Elon Musk World Richest Men

The length to which the prosperity preachers were taking the matter of tithing, one would think tithing has made many tithers, themselves inclusive, the richest men in the world, however that couldn't be any further from the truth, because tithing has never made any man to become world's richest, not even one.

Even king Solomon, the only man the Bible called world's richest, it wasn't tithing that made him to become the richest man in history.

In fact God Himself (who made Solomon richer than all those who lived before and after him) said the reason He gave Solomon such an unprecedented amount of riches, was because Solomon didn't ask for riches for himself, but the things that mattered to God.

1 Kings 3:11-13 (KJV)

And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.
And I have also given thee that which thou hast not asked, both riches, and honour: so that there shall not be any among the kings like unto thee all thy days.

God bless.

saintkel:
I'll take social media serious when u make videos of ur own pastor/s saying exactly d same thing social media said...till then....look up to Jesus n disregard social media

Samantha125:
I was once a member of a prospering church during my fellowship days in varsity... They made tithing their top priority to a point that if you don't give, you'd feel guilty... One day I decided to give a small tithe even though I had some good money in my wallet when I visited one of our fellowship church branches for a Sunday service... And on my way back, I felt so guilty that I ended up giving most of the money I had to this elderly lady I didn't know.

They'll always say things like, "if you give, blessings shall come your way, you shall be victorious in all that you do and more riches will come your way."

And whenever they preach, they'd like to refer to what the pastor says rather than what the Bible says... Tithing started becoming a competition amongst the members of the fellowship and the sisters would compete with their Sunday outfits... Me I was from a simple biblical church back home and the whole thing was a shock to me considering how it wasn't long before I became a Christian... One Sunday I went to the church wearing these new shoes that my dad had just bought me and one sister ran after me after church and she started complimenting the shoes... And as we were talking, she then asked me to borrow her my shoes for the next Sunday service.

I thought she was joking, but she followed me to my place of residence after our weekday service and asked for the shoes once more... She promised to wear them only once for the Sunday service and return them. I eventually gave her the shoes and she did came wearing them the following Sunday... It took months for her to finally return them and by the time she returned them, she had spoilt them... I was really bothered because I had been disturbing my father for those shoes for a while.

Like most of the fellowship members, she'd use her monthly allowance to buy new clothes for Sunday services and tithing... Sometimes she'd spent all her money on tithing that she'd not even have money to buy sanitary pads.

I then decided to slowly backslide from the day they elected me in my absence as the new cell leader... I started associating with the other leaders and that's when I saw that not everything is as it seems... Many of those leaders were fornicating and cohabiting with their girlfriends and boyfriends and to them it wasn't a big deal... But for me it went against the teachings of my church back home.

And as leaders we were allocated the amount of tithe that we were supposed to give and it was a lot considering that we were just students... I protested against it, but they'd use the head pastor's preachings against me... I then asked them how come many of them are fornicating freely when the bible says "the body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for God? And again I reminded them that sexual immorality and greed is regarded as improper for God's disciples, but they told me that their head pastor doesn't mind masturbation.

That was my queue for me to leave... My faith was crashed because I really loved that church.

ogolemati:
you see what am saying.then die a sinner then I will show you.you are not meant to know all as a mortal

DrAda:
Not sure i get you. Are you implying that I am heading straight to hell? Do you actually know what hell looks like? Does anyone?

gohf:
Why would you when you are obeying Jesus

Read it again

Juddithaa:
Just to point out something important though. Righteousness is by believing, acknowledging, accepting and confessing the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus on the cross(being born again) and not by deeds.

DrAda:
I feel this conversation will draw out more than it ordinarily should. Please believe what you will... It's hard enough understanding your write up. Later

Didijiji:
I tithe and the reason is that church needs money to run, fuel generators, pay workers etc not because of pastors ..

And my church isn’t one of those one-Man owned Daddy Go churches that manages inflow and outflow with wives and children as signatories

jesusjnr2020:
Furthermore the reason God gave for making Solomon the richest man that ever lived, also puts the idea being sold by prosperity preachers, that one needs to seek or strive for earthly riches or financial prosperity (as they do) to become rich in the mud, because Solomon didn't ask or seek after such things beforehand, just the things that mattered to God, yet all of the riches of all the prosperity seeking preachers in history combined cannot come close to matching the riches of king Solomon.

Just to illustrate how rich King Solomon became, he made silver and gold to become as stones in Jerusalem.

2 Chronicles 1:15 (KJV)

And the king made silver and gold at Jerusalem as plenteous as stones, and cedar trees made he as the sycomore trees that are in the vale for abundance.

That should already give an idea of the telling impact and ripple effect his riches had upon the lives of his people, Israel. It was to the extent the most precious metals, silver and gold, become as many as stones in their land.

That is what it truly means to be prosperous, when the prosperity reaches everyone that no one has lack among the people even as it was in the early church (Acts 4:34-35), not the kind of today's prosperity preachers that will be flaunting their earthly riches and even bragging about being dangerously rich in the faces of their members, while many of them yet wallow in abject poverty[/b]

God bless.

Michael547:
[b]So what exactly is the destiny that everyone has to fulfill? [/b]How can you tell or no if one is not fulfilling his destiny? How do you know the kind of death that God has destined people to die?

Michael547:
Lol...you are such a funny person. So my pastor has become a yardstick to what other pastors can say?

saintkel:
does what other pastors say become a yardstick to what Jesus commanded?

Fibonacci88:
Why the plenty messages against tithe especially from so called Christians. If ur faith is tied to tithe giving do it with a Godly heart nad don't condemn those who don't connect their faith with tithe. Also if u don't believe in it don't condemn those who believe in it. It all comes down to your faith. I used to pay my tithe all through last year but I found out I was seeing it as a burden and wasn't doing it willingly. But the bible says we should give not grudgingly or of necessity for God loves a cheerful giver. I am not proud that I have stopped giving my tithe I still pray for God's grace to come to that level where I pay my tithe without seeing it as a burden. However, I have given to my church's project and development far more than what I would have given as tithe on 6 months. I find out that I freely give to kingdom advancement and gospel outreach without holding back and God has been blessing me. In all pray for grace to give to God willingly either it's tithe or free will offering for the expansion of God's kingdom. The overemphasis on tithe above spiritual gifts is what churches need to tone down on.

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣🤣baba don run.
Is it also justice for God to burn the devil forever since he did not sin forever?

jesusjnr2020:
So do not fall for the numerous false teachings and heresies of the prosperity preachers that you have to tithe or seek after prosperity to prosper.

The instance of king Solomon in the bible alone already proves that notion to utterly false and baseless.

If it were by tithing or seeking after such things, the Pharisees would have been some of the richest men ever, because they loved tithing more than anything else and were highly covetous men, yet instead of God giving them exceeding riches as He gave Solomon, it was an abundance of rebuke that Jesus gave to them because of their covetousness which made them placed monetary matters as tithing above things that were more important to God.

That also suggests why God never made any man world richest in the Bible because of tithing, because there were things that mattered more to Him, as those Jesus spoke about when rebuking the Pharisees.[/b]

That's the sort of thing Solomon sought after instead of financial prosperity or earthly riches for himself that made God enrich him above anyone else before or even after him.

It was also the sort Job sought after that made God also enrich him above anyone else in the East (which includes the whole of the Asian continent). So his wasn't also via tithing. Job 1:3,10, 42:12.

Therefore you have a greater chance of being world's richest if you seek after God and the things that matter most to Him even as King Solomon and also Job did, instead of earthly riches and prosperity for yourself as do these prosperity seeking preachers.

That's also aligns with the teachings of Jesus which teaches us not to seek after such things as the gentiles do, but to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first, and all these things shall be added unto us. Matthew 6:32-33

God bless.

kuntash:
Another thread with the sole purpose of discouraging the propagation of Gods word or message.

You use the false teachers or insincere priests as justification, whereas you don't proffer any alternative how to propagate the message.
Go and find out how difficult it is if spread Gods word these days especially over the internet.
You condemn tithes and offerings and expect the structure of the house of God to be maintained and fixed by who ?


DO YOU KNOW WHAT SOLOMON DID BEFORE GOD BLESSED HIM? LETS TRY NOT TO BE AN AGENT AGAINST THE SPREAD OF THE WORD OF GOD

Solomon did far more than tithing, and he also suffered the consequences of drifting away from God's ways despite his promise of God in blessing for his life ...


The wiles of the enemy is quite tough and potent these days , Let Christians be well guided especially when you are quite fresh in the race or considering accepting Christ .


May God's grace be sufficient!

gohf:
did the devil stop sinning from the beginning?