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Quran 29:17: You worship idols besides God, and you fabricate falsehoods. Those you worship, instead of God, cannot provide you with livelihood. So seek your livelihood from God, and worship Him, and thank Him. To Him you will be returned. Quran 31:13 ......, do not associate anything with God, for idolatry is a terrible wrong. When you channel your worship towards an intermediary rather than directly to God it becomes an idolatrous practices as those intermediaries overshadow the direct worship due only to God. You practice your faith based on 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus but end up magnifying the mediator above God. This amongst others has inadvertently led to practices that blur the lines between reverence for Christ and veneration that resembles idol worship. Muslims pray to Allah directly as he is extremely close to us.

All what you're quoting in your book becomes useless when sincere observers noticed that it's just to bow towards a stone that matters most in your religion after all people used to bow towards metals, stones and other objects before now so what makes yours special?

Is it because Arabs wrote a book to back it up?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course because that's how Jesus commissioned the work, the Ethiopian Eunuch already believe the scriptures it's only the understanding he doesn't have that's why Phillips has to run along to ask him if he needs help to understand what he was reading not that Philip went preaching alone.

Was it only the Ethiopian he preached to? Was he the only one who preached alone in the Bible?

GothamCities:
Did Philip sin by going to preach alone? You're just a religionist. You don't know God.
Worship is not the same as religion. Stop lying!

Philip didn't go out preaching alone he belongs to a RELIGION taught to preach in PAIRS!

GothamCities:
Was it only the Ethiopian he preached to? Was he the only one who preached alone in the Bible?

Its like you don't know the difference between PREACHING and TEACHING.

When going out to PREACH Jesus taught his disciples to move in pairs {Mark 6:7: Luke 10:1} but when it comes to TEACHING the student already believe the scriptures so that could be done by a competent Bible scholar.

MaxInDHouse:
Philip didn't go out preaching alone he belongs to a RELIGION taught to preach in PAIRS!

Whom did he go with to Samaria before the apostles came to join him to get the people baptized?

I've seen you have the attitude of avoiding critical questions and instead of answering them, you would put up another line of arguments.

This your tactic will no longer be tolerated. Answer the question!

GothamCities:
Whom did he go with to Samaria before the apostles came to join him to get the people baptized?
I've seen you have the attitude of avoiding critical questions and instead of answering them, you would put up another line of arguments.
This your tactic will no longer be tolerated. Answer the question!

My friend, i don't mean to upset you but the truth remain that Philip was never alone in the ministry :


What they said was pleasing to the whole multitude, and they selected Stephen, a man full of faith and holy spirit, as well as Philip, Prochʹo·rus, Ni·caʹnor, Tiʹmon, Parʹme·nas, and Nic·o·laʹus, a proselyte of Antioch. Act 6:5

The next day we left and came to Caes·a·reʹa, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelizer, who was one of the seven men, and we stayed with him. Act 21:8

The account you're referring to was recorded by an eyewitness who was also in the ministry that day it wasn't recorded by Philip.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, i don't mean to upset you but the truth remain that Philip was never alone in the ministry :


What they said was pleasing to the whole multitude, and they selected Stephen, a man full of faith and holy spirit, as well as Philip, Prochʹo·rus, Ni·caʹnor, Tiʹmon, Parʹme·nas, and Nic·o·laʹus, a proselyte of Antioch. Act 6:5

The next day we left and came to Caes·a·reʹa, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelizer, who was one of the seven men, and we stayed with him. Act 21:8

Please stop the lies. They visited Philip, so what? They ordained 7 people, where did you here that the 7 moved together?

I would love to see sincerity from you but I'm afraid, it will never come.

The account you're referring to was recorded by an eyewitness who was also in the ministry that day it wasn't recorded by Philip.

Luke was not with Phillip in Samaria. Please stop lying.
Acts 8:5:

"And Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Gospel there."

Who did Philip go with according to this scripture?

GothamCities:
Please stop the lies. They visited Philip, so what? They ordained 7 people, where did you here that the 7 moved together?
I would love to see sincerity from you but I'm afraid, it will never come.
Luke was not with Phillip in Samaria. Please stop lying.
Acts 8:5:
"And Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Gospel there."
Who did Philip go with according to this scripture?

According to the scriptures i quoted before was Philip alone?

NO!

It was PERSECUTION that scattered them {Act 8:3} that's why Philip continued his preaching alone but under normal circumstances they supposed to go preaching in PAIRS {Act 8:13} that's why the Apostles sent more disciples to join Philip and Simon {Act 8:14} Jesus commissioned the work for only one person to go preaching.

In my religion under normal circumstances we must follow Jesus' order to go out in PAIRS but when there is chaos each of us may do the work so as not to call attention since the enemies of our religion knows how we often operate in PAIRS.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures i quoted before was Philip alone?

NO!

It was PERSECUTION that scattered them {Act 8:3} that's why Philip continued his preaching alone but under normal circumstances they supposed to go preaching in PAIRS {Act 8:13} that's why the Apostles sent more disciples to join Philip and Simon {Act 8:14} Jesus commissioned the work for only one person to go preaching.

In my religion under normal circumstances we must follow Jesus' order to go out in PAIRS but when there is chaos each of us may do the work so as not to call attention since the enemies of our religion knows how we often operate in PAIRS.

In the scripture you quoted, was Philip Evangelising?

Please stop wasting my time if you're not truth oriented!

GothamCities:
In the scripture you quoted, was Philip Evangelising?
Please stop wasting my time if you're not truth oriented!

He wasn't evangelizing the right way going by Jesus' standard he supposed to do it in PAIRS that's why help was sent to join him otherwise there's no need sending others to join him if he was doing the right thing all along!

MaxInDHouse:
He wasn't evangelizing the right way going by Jesus' standard he supposed to do it in PAIRS that's why help was sent to join him otherwise there's no need sending others to join him if he was doing the right thing all along!

Okay, so go and teach him how to Evangelise the right way.

Bye!

SIRTee15:
I asked U b4 and I will asked U again. Have I heard of Didache? Who used it?

Yeah, I know it's like handbook for early Christians. What I just don't know is how it will help solve this issue of forgeries all over your new testament.

SIRTee15:
Dont disturb your head. The gospels books were not called Matthew, Luke, John or Mark in the 1st century. They were not even known as gospel until the 2nd century.
The gospels were initially called the memoir of the apostles. That was the name early Christians called them.
So stop barking at the wrong tree regarding name of gospel. Focus on the injeel.

Is this another way of saying 'Yeah all our canonised gospels are anonymously written and they are all forgeries'?

SIRTee15:
Guy I'm not interested in your verbose obviously made up fake theory. I'm not here to discuss the Christian gospel.
I'm asking U about the injeel. ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO JESUS THE INJEEL.
THE INJEEL IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN AND QURAN IS MEANT TO BE ETERNAL.

MY QUESTION IS CLEAR,.DONT ANSWER Question I DIDNT ASK U...

1. THE INJEEL IS WRITTEN IN WHAT LANGUAGE?

2. IF INJEEL IS NOT WRITTEN IN GREEK, THEN HOW COME THE BOOK HAS A GREEK NAME.

3. WHAT IS THE NAME ALLAH GAVE TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF JESUS CALLED.
WHAT DID JESUS CALL HIS MESSAGE.

EVERY MESSAGE SENT BY ALLAH HAS A NAME

ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO MOSES THE TAWRAH
ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO DAVID THE ZABUR
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS AS GIVEN BY ALLAH.
WHAT DID ALLAH CALL THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
ALLAH SAID IN THE QUR'AN 'WE GAVE THE INJEEL TO PROPHET ISA'
WHY DID ALLAH ASCRIBED A GREEK NAME TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS IF THE MESSAGE IS FOR THE JEWS?

So what if the Qur'an is Eternal word of Allah.

God is not supposed to know everything about the past present and future? I'm not even suprise, You believe in a God that admitted lacking in knowledge of all things.


Qur'an doesn't specify the language it could have been written in any language. But it was revealed to Jesus Christ in the language they would have been speaking in first century Palestine.


Why would Allah use the name Isa when the Arabic form of Yeshua should have been Yasu
Why would some Arabs around 4th century used Isa. At least there is archeological evidence that the name Isa predate Islam. If Isa predate Islam, most likely injeel too.
It is not a makeup theory, it is just common sense.

SIRTee15:
Ok are U saying the gospel circulating during the time of muhammed- 6th and 7th century period was corrupt.
I will like U to confirm above.
because I don't want U to change mouth later when I bring evidence.

What kind of question is this.

Is it not the same forgeries you have now they were using in 6-7th century?.

At least God is giving you a way out.

Q5:48
We have revealed to you this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

GothamCities:
Okay, so go and teach him how to Evangelise the right way.
Bye!

That has been resolved according to the Bible that's why others were sent to join him in doing it right!

MaxInDHouse:
That has been resolved according to the Bible that's why others were sent to join him in doing it right!

Nonesense! Blatant heresy!

They were there to baptized the people in the Holy Ghost!

State the scriptures that say they were sent to join him in doing it right. Did they join him in him in doing it right with the Ethiopian too?

GothamCities:
Nonesense! Blatant heresy!
They were there to baptized the people in the Holy Ghost!
State the scriptures that say they were sent to join him in doing it right. Did they join him in him in doing it right with the Ethiopian too?

The bone of contention is WHY GATHERING if they can practice their faith individually without having to GATHER with fellow believers?

Jesus taught his disciples that they must be in twos or more before they can expect him to join them in furthering the work so after they were SCATTERED each have to run away as far as they could go from where Paul could reach them which is the reason why Philip was alone.

Now after PREACHING and TEACHING those in Samaria who were Israelites and familiar with certain scriptures they accepted what they heard from him because they have seen and heard Jesus spoke to them before then {John 4:39-42} that's why they needed to be baptized but then how are they going to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Jesus is the only person who can do that {John 1:33} so things must be done right before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will come to join them! Matthew 18:20

MaxInDHouse:
The bone of contention is WHY GATHERING if they can practice their faith individually without having to GATHER with fellow believers?

Jesus taught his disciples that they must be in twos or more before they can expect him to join them in furthering the work so after they were SCATTERED each have to run away as far as they could go from where Paul could reach them which is the reason why Philip was alone.

Now after PREACHING and TEACHING those in Samaria who were Israelites and familiar with certain scriptures they accepted what they heard from him because they have seen and heard Jesus spoke to them before then {John 4:39-42} that's why they needed to be baptized but then how are they going to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Jesus is the only person who can do that {John 1:33} so things must be done right before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will come to join them! Matthew 18:20

Abeg go and sit down. It can be very annoying to be dealing with a liar.

We were discussing that Christ is with us whether individually or in togetherness. That was my point. You disagreed, and I showed you the Scripture where Jesus promised to be with us individually till the end of time. You said He was with them in pairs, and I showed you that they're not always in pairs.

Anyway, I've agreed with you that Christ is not with you as a person. That's actually correct. Otherwise you would not be lying willfully.

But, hey, Christ is with me and in me!

GothamCities:
Abeg go and sit down. It can be very annoying to be dealing with a liar.
We were discussing that Christ is with us whether individually or in togetherness. That was my point. You disagreed, and I showed you the Scripture where Jesus promised to be with us individually till the end of time. You said He was with them in pairs, and I showed you that they're not always in pairs.
Anyway, I've agreed with you that Christ is not with you as a person. That's actually correct. Otherwise you would not be lying willfully.
But, hey, Christ is with me and in me!

No problem after all Jesus has foretold that we will be called a CULT for strictly obeying him as his students {Matthew 10:24-25} however the truth has been said.
Phillip ran away due to the PERSECUTION that scattered the disciples {Act 8:3} that's why he was alone but when it comes to baptizing in holy Spirit things must be done right that's why others must join Philip before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will be there to play his own part. Matthew 18:20

Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
No problem after all Jesus has foretold that we will be called a CULT for strictly obeying him as his students {Matthew 10:24-25} however the truth has been said.
Phillip ran away due to the PERSECUTION that scattered the disciples {Act 8:3} that's why he was alone but when it comes to baptizing in holy Spirit things must be done right that's why others must join Philip before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will be there to play his own part. Matthew 18:20

Thanks for your time!

In a nutshell, Jesus was not with him when he was alone. He was only with him when he was in a gathering. You're a cult indeed!

Thank you and good day!

GothamCities:
In a nutshell, Jesus was not with him when he was alone. He was only with him when he was in a gathering. You're a cult indeed!
Thank you and good day!

According to the scriptures Jesus taught us in words {Matthew 6:5-6} and action {Luke 22:41-42} to pray alone to our father when it comes to what is PERSONAL.
So like Jesus we expect help from God who will send His angels to assist us in doing His will {Luke 22:43} those are the ones working with Philip {Revelations 14:6} as he wants to do God's will when others are not around to work with him.
But when it's time for the part of Jesus he can't do that alone expecting Jesus to join him in the baptism of Holy Spirit that's why others must join him to fulfill what Jesus promised them! Matthew 18:20

Once again you're welcome!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures Jesus taught us in words {Matthew 6:5-6} and action {Luke 22:41-42} to pray alone to our father when it comes to what is PERSONAL.
So like Jesus we expect help from God who will send His angels to assist us in doing His will {Luke 22:43} those are the ones working with Philip {Revelations 14:6} as he wants to do God's will when others are not around to work with him.
But when it's time for the part of Jesus he can't do that alone expecting Jesus to join him in the baptism of Holy Spirit that's why others must join him to fulfill what Jesus promised them! Matthew 18:20

Once again you're welcome!

Please we are practical christians. We practice the true Word of God. Not this heretic one you're preaching. We have the results to show for it!

I'm tired of all these heresies. Please just stop it!

GothamCities:
Please WE are practical christians. WE practice the true Word of God. Not this heretic one you're preaching. WE have the results to show for it!

I'm tired of all these heresies. Please just stop it!

You're really amusing me now!

How can you continue using the word "WE" yet you don't GATHER with other worshipers?

Well in our RELIGION we are brothers under a commander {Matthew 23:10} whose words we hold with high esteem we do everything manly possible to stick to his words {Matthew 15:8-9} not what people like you think that's why i'm quoting him each time you call us "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but what really amuses me now is how you've used the word "WE" when you can't present your fellow believers with whom you share the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

Ọmọ WE are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the group Jesus was talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

MaxInDHouse:
All what you're quoting in your book becomes useless when sincere observers noticed that it's just to bow towards a stone that matters most in your religion after all people used to bow towards metals, stones and other objects before now so what makes yours special?

Is it because Arabs wrote a book to back it up?

Do you derive a lot that guides you from the doctrine of JW and the Bible? What have you mostly been writing here on nairaland?

Do you support these with material from documented books?

Explore2xmore:
Do you derive a lot that guides you from the doctrine of JW and the Bible? What have you mostly been writing here on nairaland?
Do you support these with material from documented books?

Books are meant to unite people in their thinking but our God's given brains is what we use to distinguish between what is inhumane and what is virtuous.

So i don't subject my brains to anything found in books when it's of no practical benefits because i know the true God won't ask people to gather and do what won't benefit them as an assembly of intelligent beings.

If any God can't resolve disparities among the worshipers such a God is worthless, useless and hopeless and there no reason to trust in whatever anyone says or write about such a God!

MaxInDHouse:
You're really amusing me now!

How can you continue using the word "WE" yet you don't GATHER with other worshipers?

Well in our RELIGION we are brothers under a commander {Matthew 23:10} whose words we hold with high esteem we do everything manly possible to stick to his words {Matthew 15:8-9} not what people like you think that's why i'm quoting him each time you call us "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but what really amuses me now is how you've used the word "WE" when you can't present your fellow believers with whom you share the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

Ọmọ WE are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the group Jesus was talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

No, you're charlatans. A cult where demonic doctrines are constantly taught!

MaxInDHouse:
Books are meant to unite people in their thinking but our God's given brains is what we use to distinguish between what is inhumane and what is virtuous.

So i don't subject my brains to anything found in books when it's of no practical benefits because i know the true God won't ask people to gather and do what won't benefit them as an assembly of intelligent beings.

If any God can't resolve disparities among the worshipers such a God is worthless, useless and hopeless and there no reason to trust in whatever anyone says or write about such a God!

Has this belief of yours resolved disparities?

Are you feigning disagreement with my practice and position about Islam?

Has your belief prevented the Israeli-Hamas war?

GothamCities:
No, you're charlatans. A cult where demonic doctrines are constantly taught!

Demonic doctrines that's making millions to do the work Jesus assigned zealously and with all industriousness shey?
Continue deceiving yourself!

Explore2xmore:
•Has this belief of yours resolved disparities?

•Are you feigning disagreement with my practice and position about Islam?

•Has your belief prevented the Israeli-Hamas war?

• YES! Among the real adherents: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
You can travel throughout the world and try to find members of this organization who are into military services or politics as that's the only reason why your own fellow worshipers will kill one another trashing your hypocritical "SALAM" greeting!

• YES! Muslims are still fighting and killing their own fellow worshipers due to politics and racism while your Allah watches helplessly yet demanding you people continue bowing towards the black stone in Mecca.

• NO! Because it's worshipers of your god that's involved in the killings {Revelations 6:3-4} while worshipers of my own God are busy preaching and teaching as commanded by the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} about God's Kingdom peacefully everywhere you can find them. Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Demonic doctrines that's making millions to do the work Jesus satan assigned zealously and with all industriousness shey?
Continue deceiving yourself telling the truth!

Fixed!

GothamCities:
Fixed!

Qasim6:
Yeah, I know it's like handbook for early Christians. What I just don't know is how it will help solve this issue of forgeries all over your new testament.

Didache has lots of Mathew gospel in it including instruction to baptize in the name of the father, son and holy spirit.
This is a eucharist book used by Jewish Christians b4 the fall of Jerusalem containing lots of verses from the gospel of Mathew.
This shows the contents in the gospel of Matthew is known to believers who met and saw Jesus Christ.
How can that be forgery?
U think early Christians who met Jesus would use a gospel book that contradicts what their Lord Jesus Christ taught them?

Qasim6:
Is this another way of saying 'Yeah all our canonised gospels are anonymously written and they are all forgeries'?

Do U understand the meaning of memoirs at all?
When they say a book is a memoir, do U know what it mean?
If the gospel is called the memoir of the apostles, what does that tell U?

Qasim6:
So what if the Qur'an is Eternal word of Allah.

God is not supposed to know everything about the past present and future? I'm not even suprise, You believe in a God that admitted lacking in knowledge of all things.

What is the name Allah gave the message of ISA? That's my question.
If U don't know say I don't know.
What did Isa call his message?

Qasim6:
Qur'an doesn't specify the language it could have been written in any language. But it was revealed to Jesus Christ in the language they would have been speaking in first century Palestine.

And what is that language? That's my question
Jesus spoke 2 languages and possibly 3 which is common for Galilean Jews in the 1st century AD.
The injeel is written in which of the languages, that's my question.

Qasim6:
Why would Allah use the name Isa when the Arabic form of Yeshua should have been Yasu
Why would some Arabs around 4th century used Isa. At least there is archeological evidence that the name Isa predate Islam. If Isa predate Islam, most likely injeel too.
It is not a makeup theory, it is just common sense.

I'm not talking about the forgery name ISA today. A name that cannot be linked to Jesus original name in whatever form or shape.
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE INJEEL.
WHY IS THE MESSAGE OF ISA BEARING A GREEK NAME.
WHY DID ALLAH GIVE A GREEK NAME TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS?
WHAT IS THE NAME ISA GAVE THE MESSAGE HE BROUGHT.
WHAT IS THE NAME OF ISA'S MESSAGE IN HEAVEN? WHAT IS IT CALLED IN HEAVEN.
IS IT ALSO CALLED INJEEL?

Qasim6:
What kind of question is this.

Is it not the same forgeries you have now they were using in 6-7th century?.

At least God is giving you a way out.

Q5:48
We have revealed to you this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

So U saying the injeel was already corrupted at the time of the Prophet. Is that what U saying.
That the injeel was lost by the 6th to 7th century AD.