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Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by System202: 2:36pm On Dec 03, 2024
Proudlyngwa:
Was payment for subsidy included in Buhari last budget
tinubu announced removal of subsidy and if wants he will make a supplementary budget for subsidy and he did not. Again Did Buhari float naira?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by akigbemaru: 2:40pm On Dec 03, 2024
aylipple:
What happens at the end of 6 months if Nigerians aren’t able to “independently analyze the proposed changes and form informed opinions, free from government propaganda”?

Asking for a bill to be suspended for 6 months is a “lazy” approach to this Tax Bill controversy. Public hearings by the National Assembly have always provided opportunities for interested Nigerians, stakeholders and experts alike to contribute to contents of any bill before it’s passed in to law & this should be no exception.

If those who kick against this bill don’t seize the opportunity of public hearings to make their reservations known & then propose solutions/alternatives/alterations to the bill, that’s their own headache; it’s now left for constituents to hold their own Senators & HoR members to account to ensure the peoples’ interests are protected in this bill.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by bitbillionaire: 2:40pm On Dec 03, 2024
Georgry:
a bill that is going to alter the VAT sharing formula in such a way that henceforth if nobody can drink alcohol in your state then you will have zero revenue from the sales of alcohol in other state..
Here we go! Alcohol, alcohol, alcohol everywhere. I never knew southerners are this addicted to alcohol till this bill matter came up. I think there should be a more noble and more sound reason to support the bill other
than just alcohol related issue.

Or is alcohol the only thing you guys produce and consume? If this whole thing is all about alcohol then the bill should be thrown out!
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Choiceone1: 2:46pm On Dec 03, 2024
femisplash:
Bearing in mind that 97% of revenue was used for debt servicing and we were also borrowing to pay for subsidy.
As an MD of an organization, if you met a net revenue deficits with high debt ratio on your company's balance sheet, what would you do?.
And he's has borrowed more 20trillion in just a year. Who are u deceiving?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by akigbemaru: 2:47pm On Dec 03, 2024
nwirinedu:
These are the conditionalities of excessive borrowings by our governments, they need to push these anti people policies so that they can continue to borrow without restrictions. These borrowings are the single cause of inflation, as flood the market with too much liquidity which is actually in the hands of a few.

Its begs the question if they can borrow anytime, they want why increase taxes? It's very obviously to the blind that the money used to buy jets, yatch and all luxuries from the ruling elite don't come from taxes. If govt need money it just prints or borrows.

This discovery was established decades ago.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Choiceone1: 2:49pm On Dec 03, 2024
Tayorshd87:
Subsidy cannot be there forever instead we must make a u turn to try other means since we want Nigeria to be like america .
Where is the gain for subsidy removal?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Image123(m): 2:51pm On Dec 03, 2024
TonyeBarcanista:
Have you read the bill or you only had opinion based on opinion of government promoters and agents?
Na food barcanista dey find oh, hmmm.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Electorate: 2:55pm On Dec 03, 2024
Georgry:
An analyst of your calibre shouldn't stoop so low to this level , this is how a secondary school dropout will argue a bill that is significant enough to alter the future of how business is conducted in the country, a bill that is going to alter the VAT sharing formula in such a way that henceforth if nobody can drink alcohol in your state then you will have zero revenue from the sales of alcohol in other state..

Infact, this legislation is capable of making the Northern governor lift the suspension of alcohol in the future because this will be a reality check for them.


Someone like you should be arguing and criticising the merit of the bills so that some of us who look up to you can learn more, everything is politics to you guys.
From yout ignorantly filled comment it is obvious you haven't even read the tax bill to arrive at this bogus alcohol example, you people will just come online and be defending rubbish, defending what you have zero knowledge about...search online for the tax bill pdf, read it first before commenting...that is what a normal human being is supposed to do.

Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by dtiBusiness: 3:11pm On Dec 03, 2024
Georgry:
An analyst of your calibre shouldn't stoop so low to this level , this is how a secondary school dropout will argue a bill that is significant enough to alter the future of how business is conducted in the country, a bill that is going to alter the VAT sharing formula in such a way that henceforth if nobody can drink alcohol in your state then you will have zero revenue from the sales of alcohol in other state..

Infact, this legislation is capable of making the Northern governor lift the suspension of alcohol in the future because this will be a reality check for them.


Someone like you should be arguing and criticising the merit of the bills so that some of us who look up to you can learn more, everything is politics to you guys.
This same bill seek to make agricultural produce VAT free thereby subsidizing produce from the Agrerean regions of the country and thereby denying the states of VAT revenue. Do you know if VAT will be charged on every goat, sheep or cow been sold, how much will be generated? Or if vat is applied on Beans, Cassava, Rice etc, how much do think will acrue to producing states?
Some of you guys keep talking about alcohol, pls find time and analyse how much is the vat contribution by Nigerian brewers combined. They remove the vat component from Malt and other drinks that are allowed.
If you correct and expunge self-centered components of the proposed tax bill, those states that are productive will be the major benefeciaries.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by dtiBusiness: 3:24pm On Dec 03, 2024
Our new proposal is this:
1.All VAT accroible to federal institutions like Seaports, Airport, Customs service etc, are federal taxes and should be shared based on the standard Federal revue sharing formula.

2. All VAT due to sale of Food, Medicine and Educational services (though waived) should be computed and used as part of the state's contribution to vat revenue.
3.If 1 & 2 cannot hold, then VAT as a whole should be made a state tax where each state will choose what and who to tax.

It's that simple
Share please
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by PHIPEX(m): 3:33pm On Dec 03, 2024
femisplash:
Bearing in mind that 97% of revenue was used for debt servicing and we were also borrowing to pay for subsidy.
As an MD of an organization, if you met a net revenue deficits with high debt ratio on your company's balance sheet, what would you do?.
But the online Sai baba and Emilokan choir members including the current "MD" were insuLting everyone when we warned of the excessive borrowing of the past 10yrs?? They borrowed and wasted it. I remebre Fashola defending the borrowing that it will lead to massive economic progress, how far today?

You even called Obi Names. Why should all Nigerians now pay the price for your inefficiency and indiscretion?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Blackdisciple(m): 3:46pm On Dec 03, 2024
FG can't be trusted...
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Proudlyngwa(m): 3:49pm On Dec 03, 2024
System202:
tinubu announced removal of subsidy and if wants he will make a supplementary budget for subsidy and he did not. Again Did Buhari float naira?
What we are talking about is who stopped subsidy
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Proudlyngwa(m): 3:50pm On Dec 03, 2024
Kukutente23:
When did it became a law that Buhari last budget cannot be changed?
Are we still running Buhari's last budget? Did the last budget contain a ne PJ, new VP residence or new fleet of cars? Yeye
The question is who stopped subsidy.

Stop deflecting
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Freebills12: 3:53pm On Dec 03, 2024
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Georgry:
An analyst of your calibre shouldn't stoop so low to this level , this is how a secondary school dropout will argue a bill that is significant enough to alter the future of how business is conducted in the country, a bill that is going to alter the VAT sharing formula in such a way that henceforth if nobody can drink alcohol in your state then you will have zero revenue from the sales of alcohol in other state..

Infact, this legislation is capable of making the Northern governor lift the suspension of alcohol in the future because this will be a reality check for them.


Someone like you should be arguing and criticising the merit of the bills so that some of us who look up to you can learn more, everything is politics to you guys.
If it is the only thing in that bill I will clap for Tinibu. He has changed it from 60% to 55%.
By 2030 Nigerians VAT will be increased to 15%... This will not stop police, Road safety and VIO... Electricity tariffs, 21k every year for your car's paper renewal, tax on everything you buy in the market with exclusion if some drugs and food items.
This bill will eliminate the middle class. The bills target middle class
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by emmyN(m): 3:58pm On Dec 03, 2024
TonyeBarcanista:
To ensure transparency and public accountability, the government should postpone the tax reform bill for six months. This will allow Nigerians to independently analyze the proposed changes and form informed opinions, free from government propaganda.
The masses have never been known to hold independent thoughts, so in what way do you think this is achievable?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Kukutente23: 4:06pm On Dec 03, 2024
Proudlyngwa:
The question is who stopped subsidy.

Stop deflecting
Tinubu stopped subsidy
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by 123456789O: 4:21pm On Dec 03, 2024
Trust Tinubu at your own peril!
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by masseratti: 4:22pm On Dec 03, 2024
Mr OP av u even read the bill at all?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Gboom: 4:36pm On Dec 03, 2024
lapintoz:
🍃President Bola Ahmed Tinubu's new Tax Reforms Summarized.

1. Any business with less than N50million turnover are exempted from tax payment.

2. over 90% of workers in public and private sector will no longer pay income tax.

3. Over 82% of what low income persons consume will be VAT free.

4. scrapping over 50 nuisance tax suffered by local businesses.

5. VAT will no longer be calculated base on where the companies have their headquarters but where their goods are consume.

6. the rich to pay more tax while the poor will stop paying taxes..

7. Consumption tax collected by states will be eliminated completely.

8. FG share of VAT to reduce from 15% to 10% as states and LGAs now get 90%.

9. Those earning less than N1.7m monthly will now pay less income tax.

10. Customs, NUPRC and other govt agencies will no longer collect tax as only one Agency will be responsible for collection of all taxes in NGR.

11. Those receiving less than N9million per anum could have their income tax cut by half.

12. The bill could lead to abolition of other multiple tax laws like the stamp duty act.

13. Over 90% of small business would no longer pay profit tax.

14. Gradual increase of VAT from 10% in 2025 to 15% in 2030... With almost every goods consume by low income earners exempted from VAT.

15. Many NGR companies pay over 60 types of different tax & levies... The bill seeks to end this factor killing NGR industries.

You may not like the messengers ...But, the message is a good one .
This summary is educative and informative enough for a lay man to understand but some unscrupulous element who are born to hate are currently hating this tax reforms that will benefit the masses themselves inclusive
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by masseratti: 4:42pm On Dec 03, 2024
Kukutente23:
Hmmmm

There is much commonsense here

Fix the nation before billing the people


The bolded shows that you do not understand the bill. The derivation in terms of collection does not change. So a portion of the alcohol part will still go to the north. Most of you think the VAT aspect is to ensure that VAT is collected where it is consumed and remitted to the state that consumed it while that is not the case.
You are simply using your bias against the north
Meanwhile, if you accept VAT income to be reduced for the North, expect a corresponding increase in cost of food items
which food items ?it's so funny when people from the north thinks they can hold southerners to ransom because of grains or food ... southerners have so many alternative to anything they are currently buying from the north #fact..

2,your food in question is already unnecessary expensive and ppl av looked for alternatives or adjust.

3,what exactly is the problem for states or local governments all over the country to be self productive and not rely on FAAC allocation.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by maasoap(m): 4:42pm On Dec 03, 2024
EmperorCaesar:
cheesy

Tinubu wasnt the President in 2016 and theres been a total cabinet change since then

The bill is straightforward enough and i wonder why people keep coming up with baseless hypothetical rhetoric beyond what is boldly written out for all to read and digest, just to paint the FG as bad and having ulterior motives

Empty articles everywhere
Tinubu is even worse than all our past presidents combined together from Obj to Buhari. So, what is your point?
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by maasoap(m): 4:48pm On Dec 03, 2024
epainos:
I believe you have been paid to write this. Lol.

You are requesting six months to postpone what all hardworking Nigerians have been praying for since the beginning of democracy so that you can manipulate everything again for your own benefit. Lol.

1. What accountability do you want to give to someone earning N70,000 to N100,000 who does not pay income tax? Do you need six months to put this in place? You're wicked.


2. Do you need six months to ensure that oil-producing areas receive more revenue in proportion to their contribution to the national revenue? You are wicked.

3. Do you need another six months to develop a fair and equal reward based on what you give, rather than the many we receive even when we do not work hard? You are wicked.
The ones they have been receiving over the years including 13% derivation, what have they able to do with it? Nothing! It is funny and lack of deep thinking for many of you to believe that more money is the only solution to every financial challenge in Nigeria instead of accountability and transparency.
All these more money still end up in the pockets of the people in power
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by epainos: 4:56pm On Dec 03, 2024
maasoap:
The ones they have been receiving over the years including 13% derivation, what have they able to do with it? Nothing! It is funny and lack of deep thinking for many of you to believe that more money is the only solution to every financial challenge in Nigeria instead of accountability and transparency.
All these more money still end up in the pockets of the people in power
You that know the solution, go ahead and tell us instead of telling us to wait for six months pilot. We dey listen ...Mr. iTK without nothing to back up anything. grin Go ahead.

So, the few of you that wants the states to have more based on the so called equality we have presently and population, justify what they have used the ones they have collected to do. And tell us how it has benefited your ass all these years. Bravo....go ahead.

Talking of accountability and transparency....show us how the people you.are supporting have been transparent and accountable for what they have been collecting.

I bet it that you don't even understand what you are going into. You think this is like how you manipulate the public on the past? You sef...you don't even understand it. You are playing the music your so called leader have played that you should replay to the public. Guy, if you cannot do everything I asked you.here...don't ever mention me again...or I will roast you here that you will never use NL again.

Get the crap outta my mention.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Basic123: 5:00pm On Dec 03, 2024
epainos:
I believe you have been paid to write this. Lol.

You are requesting six months to postpone what all hardworking Nigerians have been praying for since the beginning of democracy so that you can manipulate everything again for your own benefit. Lol.

1. What accountability do you want to give to someone earning N70,000 to N100,000 who does not pay income tax? Do you need six months to put this in place? You're wicked.


2. Do you need six months to ensure that oil-producing areas receive more revenue in proportion to their contribution to the national revenue? You are wicked.

3. Do you need another six months to develop a fair and equal reward based on what you give, rather than the many we receive even when we do not work hard? You are wicked.


You are a major enemy of the poor and the average Nigerian. And you have failed. You believe you can still manipulate poor Nigerians. Take a look at how many people have supported Tinubu, whom they despised.

We may dislike Tinubu, but we will never succumb to your manipulative tactics. This is a done deal. We are passing these bills. Guess what? Following this, we will immediately seek more resources control. Be ready to hug a near by transformer cos we are ready for you. Prepare for real debate and political struggle. We are ready to educate everyone and liberate them from your wickedness.

Bayelsa has supported these bills, and Ohaneze has also taken the right path. Time is up for you and Atiku, whom you have been supporting. Lol.

We are moving forward. Nigeria is moving forward. These bills are done deals. You would better face reality now.
YOU may dislike TINUBU.......Not "WE MAY"
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by epainos: 5:02pm On Dec 03, 2024
Basic123:
YOU may dislike TINUBU.......Not "WE MAY"
So? grin

E dey pain you? Ee ya! Again...We may dislike Tinubu, but we will support this bill. Get ready to hug the nearby transformer in your area cos these bills are done deal. grin

We go pass them soonest. And heaven won't fall....you.will also benefit from them...we will deliver you also from slavery. Lol....
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Basic123: 5:13pm On Dec 03, 2024
epainos:
So? grin

E dey pain you? Ee ya! Again...We may dislike Tinubu, but we will support this bill. Get ready to hug the nearby transformer in your area cos these bills are done deal. grin

We go pass them soonest. And heaven won't fall....you.will also benefit from them...we will deliver you also from slavery. Lol....
😆...kid!

Taata,Na so you dey create your own happines?...
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by aviara: 5:15pm On Dec 03, 2024
APC
Yorubas
Tinubu
FG

Trust the above at your own peril
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by aviara: 5:17pm On Dec 03, 2024
Let the south south call for full oil resource control law reform and you will see how the Yorubas will join hands with the north to frustrate it.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by maasoap(m): 5:19pm On Dec 03, 2024
epainos:
You that know the solution, go ahead and tell us instead of telling us to wait for six months pilot. We dey listen ...Mr. iTK without nothing to back up anything. grin Go ahead.

So, the few of you that wants the states to have more based on the so called equality we have presently and population, justify what they have used the ones they have collected to do. And tell us how it has benefited your ass all these years. Bravo....go ahead.

Talking of accountability and transparency....show us how the people you.are supporting have been transparent and accountable for what they have been collecting.

I bet it that you don't even understand what you are going into. You think this is like how you manipulate the public on the past? You sef...you don't even understand it. You are playing the music your so called leader have played that you should replay to the public. Guy, if you cannot do everything I asked you.here...don't ever mention me again...or I will roast you here that you will never use NL again.

Get the crap outta my mention.
More money is not problem of Nigerians but greed, corruption and lack of patriotism. The day many Nigerians realise that is the day we will start getting it right

Have you seen this thread? https://www.nairaland.com/8283593/higher-allocations-higher-states-debts
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by epainos: 5:39pm On Dec 03, 2024
maasoap:
More money is not problem of Nigerians but greed, corruption and lack of patriotism. The day many Nigerians realise that is the day we will start getting it right

Have you seen this thread? https://www.nairaland.com/8283593/higher-allocations-higher-states-debts
I have read it. So, how does the thread help us with N70k to N100k not paying tax while the rich men pay more? How does it relate to small businesses with less than N50million annual turn over not paying taxes? And how does it relate to states collecting tax revenue in parraller to the rate they contribute?

grin You people still think you can use your old tactics to divert the public's attention? You want to sha suffocate poor Nigerians. You are too wicked. You are demons.

Please...shut the crap up. N70k to N100k earners will not pay tax. N50 million and less turn over business will not pay tax. These are our target. We will support Tinubu on these. Go hug any transformer near your. These bills are done deals.

Please...we will pass these bills and win these battles first. Oga...go park well. We will pass it soonest..We will pass it before 2025.

Then, we can listen to you. For now. Get outta my mention if you.are not for us to pass these bills for the common man...get lost.
Re: Tax Reform Bill: Nobody Should Trust FG, Oyedele Rhetorics - TonyeBarcanista by Proudlyngwa(m): 5:55pm On Dec 03, 2024
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