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Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by SalamRushdie: 5:52pm On Dec 05, 2024
ERockson:
pls may I know your position when Falanas made their case civil against VDM. You will see that you still did not support Falanas I suspected because we know your type. Let the man fight his battle the way he deems fit.
When Falana made a civil case against VDM I started respecting him more I swear , you see how he came out with his head high from it all ...if he had procured police to abduct VDM from Abuja and fly him to Lagos it would have soiled his reputation...God bless Falana
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by ERockson: 6:03pm On Dec 05, 2024
SalamRushdie:
When Falana made a civil case against VDM I started respecting him more I swear , you see how he came out with his head high from it all ...if he had procured police to abduct VDM from Abuja and fly him to Lagos it would have soiled his reputation...God bless Falana
Whether Afe follows the way either criminal charges against this man or Civil one, you guys will still support him against Afe and people willl still check for his book anyways.

Now, the strategy to make a book sell or go viral is to target a respected individual.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Amalekki: 6:28pm On Dec 05, 2024
grin grin Ok o old man

adonainana:
Not everyone is an illiterate like you young man
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Shattuck(m): 7:01pm On Dec 05, 2024
Thundafireseun:
Use your google… ask around the court is on strike….

So what should the police do in this case ?
this has always been the police mode of operations, so no be today e start.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by ManOfSon: 7:11pm On Dec 05, 2024
You people should make up your minds whether it is democracy or dictatorship you want. Nobody says anybody is immune from the legitimate exercise of law enforcement authority. What's concerning is using the police to settle civil grievances. Why was Dele Farotimi bundled to Ekiti state when not a single one of the so-called "crimes" was committed in Ekiti state?



Thundafireseun:
What makes you feel Dele was abducted??

Is he above the Law?

He can be arrested like any other criminal
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Baxilexi(m): 7:50pm On Dec 05, 2024
seunmsg:
A charge is not a verdict but an accusation. The prosecution will have to prove the accusation and the judge will give the verdict.
Syntax or semantics, take your pick, you said charged, as if the case had been determined, and go on to say prove.

Does the notion supporting fair trial that states, an accused shall be deemed innocent until proven guilty not stand anymore?

Or the absence of evidence is not an evidence of its absence not stand?

Every discourse shouldn’t be polarized into choosing sides but standing by what’s right or wrong. How is Mr Dele supposed to build his case from behind bars?
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Kewtt: 7:52pm On Dec 05, 2024
ManOfSon:
You people should make up your minds whether it is democracy or dictatorship you want. Nobody says anybody is immune from the legitimate exercise of law enforcement authority. What's concerning is using the police to settle civil grievances. Why was Dele Farotimi bundled to Ekiti state when not a single one of the so-called "crimes" was committed in Ekiti state?
Why did Farotimi refuse court summons to Ekiti? Why did Farotimi wait for a court warrant for his arrest to be executed?
Why was Farotimi dodging for nine days until he was finally apprehended?
Was he brutalized? No!
Farotimi is not above the law!!
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by BadBradley: 7:54pm On Dec 05, 2024
seunmsg:
What’s the difference between seeking justice and filing a criminal defamation case?
the difference is that filling a criminal definition case over an allegation in a documented, printed book is a clear attempt at empty reaction without substance.

Your friend would get far more in a civil suit whereby I'd he wins, he will be have financial compensation, a court order ceasing the withdrawal of the book and a public apology where a criminal case will not give him any such remedies.

Your guess is as good as mine, he's getting an arrest where the legality of the publication will not be really really reviewed
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Kewtt: 7:56pm On Dec 05, 2024
Baxilexi:
Syntax or semantics, take your pick, you said charged, as if the case had been determined, and go on to say prove.

Does the notion supporting fair trial that states, an accused shall be deemed innocent until proven guilty not stand anymore?

Or the absence of evidence is not an evidence of its absence not stand?

Every discourse shouldn’t be polarized into choosing sides but standing by what’s right or wrong. How is Mr Dele supposed to build his case from behind bars?
He was cocksure before he deliberately accused the supreme court justices of fraud and corruption, .... He had full evidence before publishing his book. There's no need for him to build any case...he only has to present the unassailable proof of the supreme court justices selling judgement to Afe Babalola and Aare Afe Babalola SAN buying same.

Then all the lawyers in Afe Babalola chambers need to institute actions for him to prove that they corrupted the judiciary...
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by ManOfSon: 7:56pm On Dec 05, 2024
Continue. Nigerians always defend the indefensible until it is their turn to eat the breakfast.


Kewtt:
Why did Farotimi refuse court summons to Ekiti? Why did Farotimi wait for a court warrant for his arrest to be executed?
Why was Farotimi dodging for nine days until he was finally apprehended?
Was he brutalized? No!
Farotimi is not above the law!!
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Kewtt: 7:58pm On Dec 05, 2024
BadBradley:
the difference is that filling a criminal definition case over an allegation in a documented, printed book is a clear attempt at empty reaction without substance.

Your friend would get far more in a civil suit whereby I'd he wins, he will be have financial compensation, a court order ceasing the withdrawal of the book and a public apology where a criminal case will not give him any such remedies.

Your guess is as good as mine, he's getting an arrest where the legality of the publication will not be really really reviewed
Wait for the season movie. The judges Farotimi mentioned are yet to file their own actions... The lawyers he collectively defamed are still entitled to their own actions and remedies...
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Kewtt: 7:59pm On Dec 05, 2024
ManOfSon:
Continue. Nigerians always defend the indefensible until it is their turn to eat the breakfast.
Keep your philosophy. Respond to my statements of facts.

Why did Farotimi refuse court summons to Ekiti? Why did Farotimi wait for a court warrant for his arrest to be executed?
Why was Farotimi dodging for nine days until he was finally apprehended?
Was he brutalized? No!
Farotimi is not above the law!!
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Baxilexi(m): 8:03pm On Dec 05, 2024
maasoap:
It is a process. He was reported to the police and police have to do their job/investigation first before the next step which is charging him to court. Even the police can still approach the court to obtain a legal order to keep him in custody beyond the number of days specified by law.
But I just I don't understand why some of you always speaking like you don't know this procedure which of course you do.

But this Dele of a man is senseless! Look at how he accused many lawyers and judges of being corrupt and criminals without any proof just because his lost a case forced his client! He deserves nothing less than seven years behind bars
Unlawful detention if I might add, which equates kidnap.

But then I think back to Dasuki and say to myself… this isn’t new.

But beyond the discourse, we should embrace and encourage a future that speaks truth to power. This land is ours, while we should observes each other’s fundamental rights we should never shy away from speaking up when it matters.

This mentality of scared cows is archaic and should die a natural death. It’s been the bane of our existence as a country and must end, an ox can be gored irrespective of who it is.

In less than 2 decades most of the people who hold power will be dead and gone, it behooves on us that our institutions work for the common man.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Baxilexi(m): 8:19pm On Dec 05, 2024
Kewtt:
He was cocksure before he deliberately accused the supreme court justices of fraud and corruption, .... He had full evidence before publishing his book. There's no need for him to build any case...he only has to present the unassailable proof of the supreme court justices selling judgement to Afe Babalola and Aare Afe Babalola SAN buying same.

Then all the lawyers in Afe Babalola chambers need to institute actions for him to prove that they corrupted the judiciary...
During the screening of Trumps candidate for attorney general (his first term in office) a certain Dr. Blasey accused Mr Kavanaugh of rape amongst other things, she was called to a hearing and the case was investigated by the right authorities (FBI).

My point is, what is wrong with the appropriate institutions investigating his claims? Or as you’ve said, let him be given the opportunity to tender his evidence with the support of the right institutions. As I remember Buhari accused Onoghen of falsifying his assets but it turned around to be false, I believe by your logic he should also get Buhari arrested.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Richlolly: 8:27pm On Dec 05, 2024
helinues:
Toh

Dele would learn in a bitter way this time. Unfortunately, those who have been hailing him online are just nobody with no influence anywhere.

Hope that boy VDM is learning something
You are senseless, the old man has said his own, Dele should be allowed to say his before giving judgement. He knows what he's saying. Bulaba's slaves, be sensible and reasonable for once.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Housing(m): 8:39pm On Dec 05, 2024
Baxilexi:
Syntax or semantics, take your pick, you said charged, as if the case had been determined, and go on to say prove.

Does the notion supporting fair trial that states, an accused shall be deemed innocent until proven guilty not stand anymore?

Or the absence of evidence is not an evidence of its absence not stand?

Every discourse shouldn’t be polarized into choosing sides but standing by what’s right or wrong. How is Mr Dele supposed to build his case from behind bars?
Before an accused person is charge to Court a prima facie must have been established, which you yourself know that there are proofs that Faromoti did defamed Afe Babalola it is left to Faromoti to proof that what he said against him, his staff and his law firm are nothing but the truth.

So that is why Faromoti is arraigned and the bail is at the discretion of the Judge even though it is a bailable offense.

Don't you think what Faromoti wrote can lead to disruption of peace, and public disturbances. If he had proof of those allegations against Afe Babalola and the Justices of the Supreme Court the best thing for him to do as an apostle in the temple of justice is to formally write a petition to the NJC the LDPC and he can make the petition public if he feel the need to do those. But trying to destroy the core of values of public trust in the rule of laws and the Justice system of the nation is big crime against the State.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by seunmsg(op): 8:51pm On Dec 05, 2024
Baxilexi:
Syntax or semantics, take your pick, you said charged, as if the case had been determined, and go on to say prove.

Does the notion supporting fair trial that states, an accused shall be deemed innocent until proven guilty not stand anymore?

Or the absence of evidence is not an evidence of its absence not stand?

Every discourse shouldn’t be polarized into choosing sides but standing by what’s right or wrong. How is Mr Dele supposed to build his case from behind bars?
Charging someone to court doesn’t mean the person has been found guilty. It simply means the person has been accused of a criminal offense and it’s left for the prosecution counsel to prove their accusation and get the person convicted or for the accused to defend himself and get discharged and acquitted.


Remanding an accuse in court doesn’t mean he cannot defend himself. Yahaya Bello was arrested recently and remanded in custody pending bail application just like Dele Farotimi. Beside, Dele can apply for bail on 10th of December when the court will sit again on the matter.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by hardbody: 9:54pm On Dec 05, 2024
seunmsg:
Jurisdiction can be anywhere based on the theory of effect. The book was written in English Language and distributed all over Nigeria. Afe Babalola lives in Ekiti. His business and family are in Ekiti. The effect of the defamation affected him in Ekiti, his business in Ekiti and even his family in Ekiti. Ekiti state judiciary has absolute jurisdiction to hear the case.
Good jurisprudential thoughts. I will be waiting to hear the arguments of counsel on both sides and the court's considered judgment.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by shonepa(m): 11:09pm On Dec 05, 2024
I no need follow continue this talk, cos u don't even know the genesis of this mata.

Follow up, ur eye go clear

Continue being ignorant


Thundafireseun:
I couldn’t help myself but laugh at the bold 😆😆😆😆

How old are you sir ??

What country have you seen the court issue a court order before arrest is made on a criminal??
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Buccalcavity2: 12:43am On Dec 06, 2024
floss:
There was a time in history when education was the key for a better society but that’s not the case now, in fact right now, the more educated you become, the more you become a thief and corrupt. The world right now is all about money. The more money you have, the less bull shit comes your way.
Can this scandalous SAN send police all the way from Ekiti to go to arrest Tony Elumelu or Dangote or even Otedola in their homes?

If someone defame you, take the person to court, it’s court that will say and conclude you were defamed and charged accordingly. Those people that hurriedly use the police to intimidate you are 25% guilty before investigation because they’re scared of whatever evidence you might pull and will use the police to sniff out the evidence from you before charging you to court for defamation.

Clear conscience fears no accusation, someone defame you, your next move is using the police to arrest you… can the scandalous SAN pull this arrest on VDM if he’s the one that made those allegations and maintaining he(VDM) has his facts right.

According to BAT, any aggravated party should go to court
I take God beg u. What is the offence the SAN has committed here, legally?
You joined dele to accuse someone of being scandalous and you have no proof.
What is wrong with this generation?
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by AfonjaPriest: 4:20am On Dec 06, 2024
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by AfonjaPriest: 4:22am On Dec 06, 2024
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Thundafireseun: 4:53am On Dec 06, 2024
ManOfSon:
You people should make up your minds whether it is democracy or dictatorship you want. Nobody says anybody is immune from the legitimate exercise of law enforcement authority. What's concerning is using the police to settle civil grievances. Why was Dele Farotimi bundled to Ekiti state when not a single one of the so-called "crimes" was committed in Ekiti state?
Are you aware that the crime was published in a detailed book , and the book is being sold all over the world…. So if Afe Babalola chooses he could decide to go to a court in Abuja or a court in Sokoto….

Deformation of character is a criminal offence any where in the world it’s not a grievance Oga …. And we all use police to to arrest a criminal that has refused to honour police invitation several times
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by floss(m): 7:17am On Dec 06, 2024
Buccalcavity2:
I take God beg u. What is the offence the SAN has committed here, legally?
You joined dele to accuse someone of being scandalous and you have no proof.
What is wrong with this generation?
If it was Ned Nwoko that defamed him, will he use police from Ekiti state to Abuja to arrest Ned Nwoko ?

I know your answer already, so why take law into your hands?

Because you’re well connected, that’s why you’re using police to treat court case. Because police is for the highest bidder. A time will come, as long as I have money and I don’t like you, I’ll use police to arrest you. That’s where we’re heading soon
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Caseless: 7:21am On Dec 06, 2024
Baxilexi:
While this issue is in the purview of lawyers to debate the justifications for imprisonment. I would like to believe that’s not the punishment for libel.

You sue the individual, serve him and meet him in court. How do you imprison a person that has not been found guilty by a competent court of law?

Do we need more proof about the influence Mr Afe wields over the police or legal system?

Also, Mr Afe should put a sock in it, his hands are not unsoiled. Those who know the antecedent of LASG (a selected few) penchant for land grabbing will also be suspicious of the ruling in their favor, from Bourdilion to Maroko, to Oniru, to Elegushi, install a stooge or acquire land through staged legal proceedings.

Nigeria will develop someday, and I pray bullies, who abuse state power will have no place in it and our institution will be sanitized.
Even in developed societies, you have big lawyers like Afe Babalola - they may not be actually compromising the Judges, they just know how to be good at their profession.

Dele might want to appear like an activist, but he went too far mentioning names in his book. He gave them too much to nail him with. He's controversial and want to court attention in some cases, but he's right about our judicial system.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Enice(m): 8:22am On Dec 06, 2024
GoodGovernance:
Very sad indeed cry

Libel is a civil offense ,not criminal. Imprisonment of Farotimi is a further proof of corruption in the system.
it would be better if you had read the sections of the constitution cited by Afe to back the criminal defamation and arrest by the NPF before making your "libel is a civil offense comment".
Afe did not sue for libel! He petitioned for criminal defamation again his person, his company and the JSC. Let Dele prove how he bribed the JSC
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by ManOfSon: 8:34am On Dec 06, 2024
"Deformation" of what? Why are you lot so bold in advertising the cruel miseducation of Nigerian youths? "Deformation" of character is not a crime all over the world. There's no crime like that anywhere in the world!



Thundafireseun:
Are you aware that the crime was published in a detailed book , and the book is being sold all over the world…. So if Afe Babalola chooses he could decide to go to a court in Abuja or a court in Sokoto….

Deformation of character is a criminal offence any where in the world it’s not a grievance Oga …. And we all use police to to arrest a criminal that has refused to honour police invitation several times
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by maasoap(m): 1:02pm On Dec 06, 2024
Baxilexi:
Unlawful detention if I might add, which equates kidnap.

But then I think back to Dasuki and say to myself… this isn’t new.

But beyond the discourse, we should embrace and encourage a future that speaks truth to power. This land is ours, while we should observes each other’s fundamental rights we should never shy away from speaking up when it matters.

This mentality of scared cows is archaic and should die a natural death. It’s been the bane of our existence as a country and must end, an ox can be gored irrespective of who it is.

In less than 2 decades most of the people who hold power will be dead and gone, it behooves on us that our institutions work for the common man.
What's a lawful detention if I may ask you? Or, there shouldn't be detention at all? Or may be all detentions are unlawful?
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Buccalcavity2: 2:17pm On Dec 06, 2024
floss:
If it was Ned Nwoko that defamed him, will he use police from Ekiti state to Abuja to arrest Ned Nwoko ?

I know your answer already, so why take law into your hands?

Because you’re well connected, that’s why you’re using police to treat court case. Because police is for the highest bidder. A time will come, as long as I have money and I don’t like you, I’ll use police to arrest you. That’s where we’re heading soon
So by your submission, he has done nothing illegal! And you have no basis for terming him "scandalous", yet you did! SMH.
He embraced an option available to him by law and you are crucifying him! All over the world, you can go to court directly or ask law enforcers to enforce your right, depending on the situation.
Your leaning is embarrassing.
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by floss(m): 3:37pm On Dec 06, 2024
Buccalcavity2:
So by your submission, he has done nothing illegal! And you have no basis for terming him "scandalous", yet you did! SMH.
He embraced an option available to him by law and you are crucifying him! All over the world, you can go to court directly or ask law enforcers to enforce your right, depending on the situation.
Your leaning is embarrassing.
The problem with Nigerians is that when they’re reading what someone wrote in order to criticise him, they read and understand out of context, is there any place in my write up I said Dele has done nothing illegal?

You already chose to create a different narrative by yourself rather than echoing what I said and narrow down your argument.

Instead you should have said based on my submission Afe was wrong?.., my answer Yes…

That doesn’t mean Dele was right to defame him if proven by the court.

My point he should know better as a lawyer and SAN to go through the court. Mind you, all over the world lawsuits are filed for defamation and not walking about using police to intimidate someone, do you know that Dele can sue him for that usage of police to intimidate him without a court order requiring his arrest?


Learn to read and understand the context the writer wrote, and not creating one delusional argument to masturbate on
Re: Afe Babalola's Petition Against Dele Farotimi by Buccalcavity2: 5:20pm On Dec 06, 2024
floss:
The problem with Nigerians is that when they’re reading what someone wrote in order to criticise him, they read and understand out of context, is there any place in my write up I said Dele has done nothing illegal?

You already chose to create a different narrative by yourself rather than echoing what I said and narrow down your argument.

Instead you should have said based on my submission Afe was wrong?.., my answer Yes…

That doesn’t mean Dele was right to defame him if proven by the court.

My point he should know better as a lawyer and SAN to go through the court. Mind you, all over the world lawsuits are filed for defamation and not walking about using police to intimidate someone, do you know that Dele can sue him for that usage of police to intimidate him without a court order requiring his arrest?


Learn to read and understand the context the writer wrote, and not creating one delusional argument to masturbate on
By "he has done nothing illegal". I refer to Afe. Not your Dele. You and I are in no position to say Dele defamed or not. I asked you to point to illegality in seeking police to intervene in defamation! You could not because there is no law against it!
It's like you understand in reverse. So learn to understand context.
2 private citizens have issues. One wrote a book. The other is saying the book violates my right. Citizen can go to court directly or ask police to help him enforce his right. He chose the latter. That process has nothing inherently wrong.
If you have a problem with the manner police did their job, sue the police. Don't condemn a private citizen for seeking legal alternative. That's a call for anarchy.
Meanwhile both of them got money from their clients to do their jobs and didn't share with you and I. Why the hell should the SM space be bothered about their private dealings!
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