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diamond68:
quite aptly put except the part where you said all the west has to offer is you will just be wealthy. Maybe in America but there is no wealth in Europe or Canada. Where do you see the wealth ? Even their prime ministers salary is not considered wealthy. Someone like kemi badenock who is leader of conservatives will be on like 150k a year and higher tax bracket they take half of it so she has like 80 k take home. When they take council tax and rent and other bills she is just as poor as the masses and this is the head of one of their parties. So which wealth do you speak of ? The wealthy diasporas are in America. Europe ? Na sapa levels oooo. There is no wealth anywhere. It’s subsistence living 😄😄

pansophist:
I understand what you're saying.

Living in the West is like denying oneself from the rich, human experience. Something is missing and you know it. The thing that's missing is beyond your ability to restore. You can only coexist with the lack, or log out from that system.

The coldness in the general attitude of people, lack of genuine connection, you always feel judged, or in the words of WEB DU BOIS, having "double consciousness".

Double consciousness is how for example, I know myself to be a responsible man, I won't hurt another human, I'll take care of my family, I pay my tax and employ others that pays theirs, I'll defend my family and just do right.

In Nigeria, such traits makes me a good citizen. People would want to be my friend and I'll be an ideal man for a good woman. But in the West? Those traits are not what I'll be judged with.

I'll be seen as a black, lucky immigrants that escaped from the jungle, not truly belonging here, tolerated, not worthy to develop deep friendship with because the friendship can be a burden on them.

I look around and see my kinmen doing the most dirtiest job, filling their prison per capita, and the news always broadcast restricting immigration so other Africans won't escape like me. Me being wealthy is a shock, because I'm supposed not to. I should just be okay at best.

I'll always have the fear that my job application or house search was rejected because I'm black, that the girl rejected me (even black women) because she also sees me through the lenses of white society, even though she suffers from it too. Etc etc etc.

So I get it. Being wealthy can't make you escape this as a black person. And if a black person have self respect, moving to a place he knows his dignity is preserved, he is the default, and his competence appreciated will be the ultimate goal.

In my view, the only thing the West offers is material satisfaction. You'll just be wealthy and that's just it. But the true, rich, human experience, where your dignity is preserved and you have true power, will be missing.

So living with this burden of double consciousness, where I am first conscious of my worth as a person, but still conscious of how my society view me, is sickness of the mind. That's not good life. If one choose to live in the West permanently, then he/she have accepted to bear this burden.

pansophist:
I understand what you're saying.

Living in the West is like denying oneself from the rich, human experience. Something is missing and you know it. The thing that's missing is beyond your ability to restore. You can only coexist with the lack, or log out from that system.

The coldness in the general attitude of people, lack of genuine connection, you always feel judged, or in the words of WEB DU BOIS, having "double consciousness".

Double consciousness is how for example, I know myself to be a responsible man, I won't hurt another human, I'll take care of my family, I pay my tax and employ others that pays theirs, I'll defend my family and just do right.

In Nigeria, such traits makes me a good citizen. People would want to be my friend and I'll be an ideal man for a good woman. But in the West? Those traits are not what I'll be judged with.

I'll be seen as a black, lucky immigrants that escaped from the jungle, not truly belonging here, tolerated, not worthy to develop deep friendship with because the friendship can be a burden on them.

I look around and see my kinmen doing the most dirtiest job, filling their prison per capita, and the news always broadcast restricting immigration so other Africans won't escape like me. Me being wealthy is a shock, because I'm supposed not to. I should just be okay at best.

I'll always have the fear that my job application or house search was rejected because I'm black, that the girl rejected me (even black women) because she also sees me through the lenses of white society, even though she suffers from it too. Etc etc etc.

So I get it. Being wealthy can't make you escape this as a black person. And if a black person have self respect, moving to a place he knows his dignity is preserved, he is the default, and his competence appreciated will be the ultimate goal.

In my view, the only thing the West offers is material satisfaction. You'll just be wealthy and that's just it. But the true, rich, human experience, where your dignity is preserved and you have true power, will be missing.

So living with this burden of double consciousness, where I am first conscious of my worth as a person, but still conscious of how my society view me, is sickness of the mind. That's not good life. If one choose to live in the West permanently, then he/she have accepted to bear this burden.

anonimi:
Neo-black Problem: Must Blacks Be Ruled by Whites in Order to Prosper?

In short, the neo-black dilemma may be framed as follows: is it better to live under white rule without political dignity but with basic life-sustaining standards for many;

or to live under black rule with illusory political dignity and without basic life- sustaining standards for the majority?
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The path forward for Africa lies in cultivating higher and adequate levels of personal and communal agential integrity as well as full personal responsibility and productivity. Not to mention creativity (including epistemic creativity), productive justice (such as merit and freedom), harmony and reconciliation at local and international levels, and a proper domestication of capitalism and other related values and institutions.

Africa must stop wasting her time on dreams of socialism because it is a system of wealth distribution primarily. Whereas, capitalism is a system of wealth creation primarily, and wealth has to be produced before it can be distributed.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2024/10/12/neo-black-problem-must-blacks-be-ruled-by-whites-in-order-to-prosper/

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RodgersAkpafu:
the real issue with black Africans are
1. we don't love each other and don't wanna build a community
we are very jaga jaga ppl

2. We don't even love ourselves or think of ourselves of people worth value

3. We have failed to build our community because of "I better pass my neighbour mentality"

4. Inferiority Complex , due to brutal colonisation. Our dignity has been beaten out of us...
I think this is the luck Pakistanis have
they were not enslaved and beaten to the extent that we were

5. Our home countries are shittholes

The often cited biography titled Madame Tinubu: Merchant and King-maker, authored by Nigerian historian Oladipo Yemitan, paints her views regarding slave trading.

On one occasion, during her final sojourn in Abeokuta, she was alleged to have sold a young boy into slavery and was accused of it. When arraigned before Ogundipe Alatise over the matter, she reportedly explained: 'I have a large house-hold and I must feed them well. I need money to do that, that's why'.

— Oladipo. Yemitan, 'Madame Tinubu: Merchant and King-maker'

Another section of Yemitan's Tinubu biography, referred to as the Amadie-Ojo Affair, captures a slave trading deal gone sour in 1853 (notably after the 1852 Treaty abolishing slavery in Lagos) wherein Tinubu tells another slave trader (Domingo Martinez) that "she would rather drown the slaves [20 in number] than sell them at a discount".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efunroye_Tinubu

anonimi:
Are you aware that we organised wars and raided slaves to sell to Arabs and whites, until the whites changed their minds to abolish slavery?

And Yorubas sold the most slaves, refusing to stop the trade after whites abolished it.

diamond68:
quite aptly put except the part where you said all the west has to offer is you will just be wealthy. Maybe in America but there is no wealth in Europe or Canada. Where do you see the wealth ? Even their prime ministers salary is not considered wealthy. Someone like kemi badenock who is leader of conservatives will be on like 150k a year and higher tax bracket they take half of it so she has like 80 k take home. When they take council tax and rent and other bills she is just as poor as the masses and this is the head of one of their parties. So which wealth do you speak of ? The wealthy diasporas are in America. Europe ? Na sapa levels oooo. There is no wealth anywhere. It’s subsistence living 😄😄

diamond68:
When someone japas out of Nigeria he is running away from the people not the country. And when he sees the same people in the UK he trieS to run away from them. He tries to japa from them. He does not want to associate with them. It's the same people he japA from in Africa. In his mind he associates these people with corruption and violence and brashness and mismanagement and stealing and incompetence. So the Nigerian tries to japa from the Nigerian everywhere he sees him outside of Nigeria

10thTenthMan:
It is worse in some Canadian Cities o.

Come Saskatchewan (Saskatoon) Na. You go fear. They are only friendly when they want to sell hair or crayfish or want you to patronize their business or get rich quick scams here.


However these are the factors that I have noticed:


1. Nigerians do not change their mindsets about the various tribes and ethnic groups they left behind in Nigeria. They carry the CURSE of ethnic and tribal division overseas. Now the tribes and ethnic groups should have been capitalized upon to produce a single front overseas . “WE ARE NIGERIANS AND THOUGH TRIBES AND TONGUES MAY DIFFER IN BROTHERHOOD WE STAND TO SUPPORT OUR BRETHREN FOR OUR COMMON GOOD, GROWTH, PROGRESS, SUCCESS AND INTERNATIONAL RESPECT, RECOGNITION AND REGARD”. Nope. They never see it that way. Instead they are even divided not only in tribe and religion but also based on churches (denominations) they attend. All claiming to worship the same God o !!!

2. Many of the the Nigerians abroad are ONLY literate. They can only read and write and they managed to Pass IELTS. They ARE NOT WELL EDUCATED NOT TO TALK OF BEING VASTLY ENLIGHTENED. You can take the monkey out of the bush, YOU CAN NEVER TAKE THE BUSH OUT OF THE MONKEY.

3. Every Nigerian wants to succeed more than his brother/sister. THEIR COMPETITIVE SPIRIT IS TO OUTDO YOU. Not really to provide comfort for themselves and their families and their old age, but to outdo you and rub it in your face. The competition is wild hence the hustle is wide and wild as well. To an average Nigerian success is only when they can “PEPPER” other Nigerians with their wealth overseas.

4. Overseas the weather is not always super good for a lot of the Nigerian Type Fun. But even when the opportunity comes, it is the “clique” that will meet and have the fun. I am not saying invite the whole Nigeria in diaspora. But deep within you know you know why you invited Femi and Abayomi and James you just met yesterday but invited him because he drives the 2025 Land-cruiser. They select you based on how they perceive your success at home and actual or potential success abroad.


5. Overseas you work and do your duty. No one listens to your excuses. Your boss does not give a shit about “God Bless you Sir”. You mess up you are gone. Nigerians know this and hence are more dedicated to work. That rubbish play we do in Nigeria and spend Government and Company Time doing nonsense, does not work overseas. They monitor you and YOU WILL GET FIRED IMMEDIATELY. “Sir please it was the Devil… I don’t know what happened…it is my village people… sir please forgive and forget , God will bless you…Sir please my mother was sick…..’’ will ALL FALL ON DEAF EARS. The useless excuse we give in Nigeria claiming we are hard working people will get you sacked and if your negligence leads to loss of health, life or property YOU WILL GO TO JAIL AND E GO SHOCK YOU! Hence they (Nigerians) double their hustle and don’t mess around with work. You go broke here you go homeless. Because of how serious work can be, they have little time to play.

6. Nigerians take on more than they can handle home and abroad. The financial burden becomes so huge that they can hardly have time to enjoy life. I fear for some as they take on multiple jobs, barely have time and are handling multiple demands from home.

7. Nigerians love to oppress themselves. They witnessed this in Nigeria with the wealthy and politicians. The secret desire of every Nigerian is to be so wealthy and rich that they can oppress others, disobey/break the law and nothing happens and have people running after them and for them to cater for their needs, while they live a life of luxury. Classism is very fat and healthy among Nigerians. It is fed well and nurtured well. Not even the core North and the Fulani elite could escape the enticement of classism.

I will add more ….But let us prep to head off to work. It is 6:37 am here in Canada. And snow Dey show people tiny Shege … not much Shege but a bit of trouble, especially driving on icy roads. You just have to be extra careful with everything during winter.

RodgersAkpafu:
This is a very interesting perspective
I'll reference the Pakistanis here again, to make an addition to what you have posted....From my observations and being in their midst, they have cracked the code by building their own stuff and their own communities. As a Pakistani Brit, you can from birth till death not have to deal with the "white supremacist" society in Birmingham for example . You went to school staffed with Pakistanis like yourself (they have Islamic faith based schools here). Your landlord is a Pakistani like yourself You worship at the Central mosque with your ilk your employer is either your dad., your own business, or another business just along the city centre.... They have chartered accounting firms. law firms and the list goes on. you don't have to seek the white man approval to get a job....You have a thriving community of friends
Why will you need to "beg" the white man for friendship My Paki friends have been good to me, and it's all good. the only issue is that I can't live permanently with them So having built this ecosystem, how will your self esteem be in the gutter ?
You even influence the politics of the area your reps look like you This election cycle, they were able to present independents Muslims who unsat Tories AND Labour candidates So why will you have self esteem issues?

the real issue with black Africans are
1. we don't love each other and don't wanna build a community
we are very jaga jaga ppl

2. We don't even love ourselves or think of ourselves of people worth value

3. We have failed to build our community because of "I better pass my neighbour mentality"

4. Inferiority Complex , due to brutal colonisation. Our dignity has been beaten out of us...I think this is the luck Pakistanis have they were not enslaved and beaten to the extent that we were 5. Our home countries are shittholes

When you become wealthy as a black man in Britan, you are on your own because on one hand, you have jealous people of your ilk who will Destroy you for free, and on the other hand, (some) white supremacist who believe you are in a space where you shouldn't be. To reference BET Co owner Sheila Johnson, its really lonely being a black billionaire at the top (she is a billionaire and feels lonely for the exact reasons I listed up there )

@Gerrar.d59

diamond68:
quite aptly put except the part where you said all the west has to offer is you will just be wealthy. Maybe in America but there is no wealth in Europe or Canada. Where do you see the wealth ? Even their prime ministers salary is not considered wealthy. Someone like kemi badenock who is leader of conservatives will be on like 150k a year and higher tax bracket they take half of it so she has like 80 k take home. When they take council tax and rent and other bills she is just as poor as the masses and this is the head of one of their parties. So which wealth do you speak of ? The wealthy diasporas are in America. Europe ? Na sapa levels oooo. There is no wealth anywhere. It’s subsistence living 😄😄

pansophist:
I see. We see wealth in a different way sha.

claremont:


Spot on. If that someone isn't careful in the UK, that someone will get cheated by the same people he/she was trying to from away from. Try buying African foodstuff in a Nigerian shop and compare that to buying from an Asian shop. You would feel cheated buying from the Nigerian shop.

Gerrard59:
True. As I have known and stated here, the wealthiest set of Nigerian diasporans are those in the US. To be fair to Kemi, politicians are not well paid in the West or most places. They build wealth via donations and kick-backs. Singapore is the only developed place that pays its politicians and civil servants very high salaries.

AngelicBeing:
Chai, paycheck to paycheck lifestyle and if anything happens to that paycheck, you become homeless or rather put , "one paycheck from been homeless"

Gerrard59:
Pansophist really made good points, and I realised them when I lived here unlike when I was disagreeing with him while I was still in Nigeria.

The Pakistanis have done well, but I am curious at the bold, Indians didn't experience what we did? They were indentured workers even to Guyana. I think we and Indians are the ones who love the Anglophones regardless of historical events. Whether the posts on social media by a growing number of Indians challenging the West indicate a change is yet to be seen.

P.S. The BET woman is biracial. A better perspective will be from Robert Smith. Both even have it better as they are in the US (12% black). What about those in East Asia and Northern Europe like Pansophist?

diamond68:
yes oooo one paycheck away 😳😩

diamond68:
wealth to me is like net worth of at least 3 million dollars. Home paid for. Then you are on the lower rung of wealthy. The higher rung is Elon musk dem dem lol. These Nigerians in the west ? Oh boy na cleaner jobs ooooo that one is not wealth 🤣🙌😄

fortunez1:
Be safe and know I'm willing to hear quickly from you on this ...

10thTenthMan:
Oh thank you.

God willing I shall be.

I am at looking at the business ecosystem here in Canada. Hopefully trying to see if I can ever meet a group of Nigerians who share the vision of building wealth and dominating a particular goods/service sector.

We do quite well in Tech. But we have the Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese/Japanese in these areas doing a bit slightly better. The Indians for instance have taken control of many HR Departments, Supermarket chains, Gas Station Chains, etc. Indians will likely take over the health sector, as well. So even the medical field, we still work in silos. No Unity, no group effort and props, nothing. We are jealous of each other, afraid of each other, hate each other based on beliefs, do not trust each other.

Apologies for elongating this matter. I met a Nigerian Canadian during my last flight back to Canada. He told me he was once the President of the Nigerian Association in that Capital City within the Province. He mentioned how while he was president he fought and advised and begged Nigerians to stay close to one another in particular areas of the city. With such dominance they will have the numbers to control and choose council men/women, dominate voter strength, etc. He mentioned that he failed woefully on this objective because the moment a newly arrived Nigerian hears that another Nigerian lives close by, they will get a house in an opposite part of town once they are ready to settle down, claiming they didn’t want to live close to their fellow Nigerians. When they first come they won’t mind a Nigerian helping and showing them how to settle down and so on. But once their leg strong for ground (as we say), they move away from fellow Nigerians INTENTIONALLY. Even those who have been around for a while in the city, they do not want to live close to their fellow Nigerians.

The Dislike/Hatred; Mistrust; Preference of Individual Success vs Group Success & Respect; Evil Competitive Spirit; it will take perhaps a new breed of Nigerians to unite. Problem is that the children of many of these diasporans are also told to avoid other Nigerian kids.

fortunez1:
because they came out from a corrupt society that is smeared with nepotism , but traveling is also educational and so with them they will learn and just better . Change is constant and it has started from you already this Forum is big and has large coverage . I'm sure you wish for a better society for Nigerians abroad and so continue to do the needful.

10thTenthMan:
Oh thank you.

God willing I shall be.

I am at looking at the business ecosystem here in Canada. Hopefully trying to see if I can ever meet a group of Nigerians who share the vision of building wealth and dominating a particular goods/service sector.

We do quite well in Tech. But we have the Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese/Japanese in these areas doing a bit slightly better. The Indians for instance have taken control of many HR Departments, Supermarket chains, Gas Station Chains, etc. Indians will likely take over the health sector, as well. So even the medical field, we still work in silos. No Unity, no group effort and props, nothing. We are jealous of each other, afraid of each other, hate each other based on beliefs, do not trust each other.

Apologies for elongating this matter. I met a Nigerian Canadian during my last flight back to Canada. He told me he was once the President of the Nigerian Association in that Capital City within the Province. He mentioned how while he was president he fought and advised and begged Nigerians to stay close to one another in particular areas of the city. With such dominance they will have the numbers to control and choose council men/women, dominate voter strength, etc. He mentioned that he failed woefully on this objective because the moment a newly arrived Nigerian hears that another Nigerian lives close by, they will get a house in an opposite part of town once they are ready to settle down, claiming they didn’t want to live close to their fellow Nigerians. When they first come they won’t mind a Nigerian helping and showing them how to settle down and so on. But once their leg strong for ground (as we say), they move away from fellow Nigerians INTENTIONALLY. Even those who have been around for a while in the city, they do not want to live close to their fellow Nigerians.

The Dislike/Hatred; Mistrust; Preference of Individual Success vs Group Success & Respect; Evil Competitive Spirit; it will take perhaps a new breed of Nigerians to unite. Problem is that the children of many of these diasporans are also told to avoid other Nigerian kids.

diamond68:
duhhhh its white mans land. the only power bloc is white

Gerrard59:
Sometimes, I think Mr RodgersAkpafu does not want to believe that white people are powerful or could suddenly revert to their pre-civil rights behaviour. He still has this view that the white man is all loving even though his (white man) birth rate has dropped rapidly. Thus, making him a further minority in a world soon to be filled with Indians and Black people.

In my opinion, we would see a resurgence of white power under Trump's administration. I recall when I stated on NL that in this new Cold War with China, the US, citizens and its elites would want to have a white man, not a woman or biracial, fight the Chinese in a final quest to establish world dominance.

pansophist:
I understand what you're saying.

So living with this burden of double consciousness, where I am first conscious of my worth as a person, but still conscious of how my society view me, is sickness of the mind. That's not good life. If one choose to live in the West permanently, then he/she have accepted to bear this burden.

RodgersAkpafu:
This in my opinion is more applicable to the kids they brought and the kids they will have here
They would most definitely not have the same corrupted mentality as their predecessors

I really look forward to it tbvh

Gerrard59:
Sometimes, I think Mr RodgersAkpafu does not want to believe that white people are powerful or could suddenly revert to their pre-civil rights behaviour. He still has this view that the white man is all loving even though his (white man) birth rate has dropped rapidly. Thus, making him a further minority in a world soon to be filled with Indians and Black people.

In my opinion, we would see a resurgence of white power under Trump's administration. I recall when I stated on NL that in this new Cold War with China, the US, citizens and its elites would want to have a white man, not a woman or biracial, fight the Chinese in a final quest to establish world dominance.

diamond68:
very well stated. I suspect he is Gen Z. They are not too familiar with the madness of the white man. They are only familiar with white culture of their peers.

fortunez1:
kids learn alot from there guardians/parents. I pray they don't infect there kids with that self centered altitude that's I spired by greed and corruption.

RodgersAkpafu:
lol

I'm not a Gen Z ooo